WEBVTT - Working 9 to thrive! Uncut with Bec Brown 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:23.040 Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life. 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:24.880 I'm Pout, I'm Laura, and I'm Brittany. 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.200 God, it takes us a while to get these start 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:28.440 of these episodes going. 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.640 Sometimes we've been here for what forty five minutes? Do 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:30.960 you reckon? 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:31.360 Yeah? 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:33.600 But we just talk a lot of smack for a while. 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:36.080 We tried to start it, but then Britt hit the 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.159 camera and you know what, here we are, how are 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.720 you being? I just hit the camera and we started again, 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:43.360 and I said, let's leave it in there and talk 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:43.680 about it. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:44.040 It's funny. 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:45.640 You said no, no, no, we won't and then straight 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.440 away you've thrown me under the bus. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:52.360 I panicked. I panicked. It's always better when it's your idea. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.240 It's like we're in a relationship. You have to like 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:56.480 that's what you do in a relationship. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.000 You like you slowly massage the other person, who guess 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:01.840 the other person into. 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.480 Them thinking that it's their idea. That was my idea. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.200 Oh anyway, guys, it is Tuesday, we are here. We 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.200 have a great little episode for you today. I'm not 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:12.880 gonna tell you about it yet. I'm not gonna tell 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:14.240 you about it yet. I'm gonna keep your hook line 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:14.679 in sincer. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.520 But Laura, you sort of went away this weekend. 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.759 What a suspenseful beginning of an episode that was you're 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.679 listening to it, but I won't tell you. Hangtight. Yeah, 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.880 look I did. I went away this weekend. Except I 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:27.880 didn't go away this weekend. 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.559 We went down the road. This is the weirdest thing. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:32.920 And I didn't post this on my socials because I 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:34.760 was so worried that like Daily Mail would pick this 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:36.320 up and run a story and say that, like Matt 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:37.880 Night had a big fight and I'd gone to stay 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:42.320 somewhere else. So I booked a hotel about five hundred 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.520 meters from my house, literally down the road. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.840 Yeah, down the road. I was cutting laps past it, 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:48.080 like waving up into the window. 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.160 I booked it, and I booked it Friday night and 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.360 Saturday night, and I stayed there. I checked in at 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.080 five pm on Friday and I just went there to work. 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.000 I worked all weekend because we've got some very exciting 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.240 things in the pipeline, but it's very difficult to get 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.720 work done when you got two kids, and everything had 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:05.560 been mounting, and Matt pretty much was just like I'm 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:06.960 going to book you into a hotel so you can 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:07.840 get some work done. 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.040 The question is did you get any work done? I did? 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.080 Were you just like we'll having bubble buss, I'm ordering uberrites, 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.160 I'm in bednaked, just masturbating for two days. I am 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.519 masturbating for two days, and I'm not doing it. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:20.680 It is call at research. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.160 You know how difficult it was to not crack open 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.240 a bottle of wine from the minibar. I'm telling you 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.520 the amount of self control I had to exercise. Well, 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:28.200 there's literally a. 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:29.320 Bottle shop downstairs. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.520 Are you telling me you did not have one wine 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:34.840 when you had two nights alone in a hotel. May 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.520 have had a cheeky wine, of course, just one a 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.680 chiky bottle, But I genuinely, I genuinely went away. I 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.560 went away to work. We weren't having a fight. There's 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:45.760 nothing wrong. I went home for like two hours each 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:47.640 day just to like give Matt a little break from 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.320 the kids. And then I went back to the hotel 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:49.840 and I worked. 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.800 So it was successful. Yeah, and for like multiple reasons. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.760 Also, just like having two days break from Matt really 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:00.000 reignited some things that had been dormant for a little while, 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.440 Like what our sex life. So you had sex, you 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.560 had great sex, you went away for two nights, You've 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.200 got some work done, you had a bottleline, you came 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:08.160 back and had great sex. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:09.120 The girl is back. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.480 So on in all, it was a successful weekend for you. Yes, well, 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.200 I mean, got some work done, got lucky. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.400 Do you know what? It was a sex cessful weekend? 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.120 Your girl is back? Absolutely fire. Okay. 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.079 I do have a question for you though. All right, 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.840 this is a great segue. Is this something that I 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.560 know that I'm prepared for? Are you just going to 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:33.240 throw this out there? 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.640 No, it's something that happened to me on the weekend. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.560 And yeah, and I need to get your take on 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.119 it because I'm not sure if I went too far. 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:42.960 Okay, to help me? 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.440 Want to so once again the suspense, Brittany, So, how 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:47.440 many is too many? 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.000 This is what I want to ask you. How many 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:49.960 is too many? Okay? 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:51.600 When you ask the question how many is too many? 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.760 I'm guessing that we're talking about sexual partners. Okay, so 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.400 you would think that, but we're not. Okay, on the weekend, 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.040 produce Akeisha as you guys. Laura Is said, guys, we 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.720 have something really signing. Come up and we're working non 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.080 stop to bring it to you once again. The suspenseid God, 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:08.680 this is the worst suspensable episode. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.840 You don't like. It's four minutes in and they've learnt nothing. 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.440 Everything is coming at the end of the world is coming, 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.560 but we won't tell you. Went no. So we're in homeworking. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.320 Producer Keisha sent me a text message, Hey, Britte, just 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:24.599 heading up to Woolly's. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.520 Can I get you anything? I was like, oh my gosh, 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.960 I'd be amazing. I was like, what did you want? 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.720 Can you just get me a few avocados? I'm like, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:34.599 can you just get me two avocados? And she was 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.880 like yeah, no worries, and I was like, amazing, Thank 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:37.440 you so much. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.000 And then a few seconds went. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.200 Past and I was like, actually, do you mind just 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:45.240 getting me some tomatoes and some salad stuff as well? 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:46.719 And I had all this of salad stuff and she's 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.000 like sure anyway. It just it just kept continuing. I 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.120 ended up with thirty five items. I sent her a 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:52.920 whole shop. 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.400 Why did you know what I mean, like frosted, She's 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.000 not your pa. I didn't mean to, but she offered, 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.000 and then I just kept rolling. Then I kept thinking 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:02.760 of what I needed now. I ended up. 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.919 Sending producer Gisha an entire shopping list, and then I 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.800 wrote to her. I was like, I just realized, what 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:10.400 the fuck I just sent you? I've sent your whole 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.800 shopping list. I was like, do you regret asking me now? 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.440 I think because produce a Guisa is employed by us. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.160 And I pay her bills. She very politely said, no, 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:19.120 it's fine. 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.200 She got me like thirty five to forty. She got 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.000 me a whole grocery shop, a whole shop. I know 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.080 that Woolies does shopping online. You can do that yourself. Yeah, 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:27.720 but I was really in the moment. But that's my question, 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:29.720 is like, how many is too many? When someone says 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:31.560 to you, So, even if it's your partner, Matt, if 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.400 you're like, hey, I'm just ducking up to the store, 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:35.680 can I get you something? I think it's different. If 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.200 it's your partner, you can ask for a full shop. 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:38.919 If it's your employee, like what. 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:44.000 Oh. 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.880 If it's your employee and they offer to pick something 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.120 up from Woolies for you, you say no, I'm fine. 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.279 You actually don't accept anything. Is actually went to the 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.239 point of going and taking photos of stuff and googling 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:57.559 the stuff. 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.599 I wanted the photos and I send her the photos 0:05:59.600 --> 0:05:59.919 and it was. 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:02.080 Like, these are the chicken tenders that I love because 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.800 you want to specific brand names. Brittany, what has happened 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.160 to you? I said to a monster. 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.000 I was a monster. And then when I realized, I 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.920 didn't realize in the moment, I was like shooting off 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:10.479 what I needed. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.000 And then when I looked back at the list, I 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.200 was mortified and I said to I'm so sorry that, 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.280 don't actually worry. She's like, it's fine, Like I just 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.520 need to put another forty minutes onto my shop. Wait, okay, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.440 now I just need to know did you actually make 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.200 producer Kesha go and do your grocery shopping? 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.120 Did she do it? She did it? Yes, correact fucking 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:28.560 and she dropped them off to me. It was like, 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:30.600 very wow. 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.960 Okay, I'm just shocked, as everybody who's listening to this 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.360 in their car or wherever you're listening to this right now, Brittany. 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.240 I know I'm not proud of it. 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.279 It's not my finest moment, but the situation happened, and 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.320 I rolled with it, and I felt really guilty after 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.120 I just really rolled with someone offering to do something 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:46.039 for me. It's been a little. 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.760 While, it's been a hot second. I was like, this 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.560 is the best feeling in the world. I'm just going 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:51.120 to own it. 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.240 Yeah, Like, and on Wednesday night, Keisha's giving me a 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.720 back massage. I feel like my saving grace in this situation, though, 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.320 is the fact that and I mean Kesha should be 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.200 thinking me really, because when she got to the store, 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.320 she didn't know what she wanted for her own shop, 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.680 so she duplicated exactly that the my shopping li She 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.320 just duplicated it, and we ate the same thing for 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:10.920 the week because she's like, I can't think of what 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:11.200 I want. 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.440 I'm going to get everything Britney got, and I read 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:14.840 the same thing. I disagree. 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.720 I think she's I think she did it for time 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.240 management because she'd already spent the entire time that she'd 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.120 allocated for her own shopping doing yours. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.000 So she was like, well, I better just double this orner. 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:25.840 Okay, Well, I do have something that I want to 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.760 ask you, But before we get into that, I feel 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.160 like we should tell people what they're listening to today, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.120 and that is we have interviewed an amazing woman. Her 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.600 name is Beck Brown now Beck Brown is the founder 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.560 and owner of the Comm's Department. She's also the author 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:40.520 of the book You've Got This. And the reason why 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.280 we wanted to do this episode is because we thought 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.880 coming back into the new Year, I mean, we're still 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.760 calling it the new year. It's January, it's December, and 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.360 we're like this new year's New. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:50.360 Year twenty twenty two. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.600 But I feel like it's a very transformative time for 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.640 a lot of people, Like after coming out of Christmas, 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.120 after starting, you know, a fresh year, getting through January. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.600 It's a real time where people kind of assess their 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.840 career and assess what they're doing with their life and 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.680 want more money and want a bloody pay rise, or 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.760 they want to have a promotion, or maybe they're not 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.200 sure about the job that they're in. And we're seeing 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.000 so much these days people leaving the sort of traditional 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.840 nine to five working for somebody else to create their 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.600 own small business or to go out on their own 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.000 and to start their own hustle. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.239 So this conversation with Beck is all. 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.560 Around how can you ask for more money, how can 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.240 you ask for that pay rise, how can you ask 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.680 for promotion? But also just around like how do you 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.560 forge out a creative career. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.920 Yeah, also, just how you can go about living your 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:33.720 dream And like Laurid just said, there are so many 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:35.680 people and I've been there in the past, Laura's been 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:36.959 there in the past. I feel like a lot of 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:37.360 people have. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.280 There are so many people that are in their nine 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.640 to five or they're in their job and it's just 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.880 because A they're comfortable. B they don't know how to 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.480 get out and chase their dreams, or they don't know 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.600 what their dreams are. So we do talk about the 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.280 steps that you can take and how to transition from 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.640 doing a job you maybe don't really love and that 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.720 isn't the passion and the end goal, to transitioning into 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.080 starting your own business and working really hard to create 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.840 something you're happier with. So I think it was a really, 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.760 really great chat and I think you guys are gonna 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:06.480 get a lot. 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:06.760 Out of it. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:08.880 But before we get into that, there is one other 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.240 thing I wanted to talk to you about now after 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.760 my sex cssful weekend, I'm. 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.360 Not the worst pound, now, is it, Laura not? 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.080 I actually, very serendipitously, it was sent an email which 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.320 was talking about different sex positions and I thought I 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.880 stumbled across it on corn Hub. I don't know how 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.320 it came across. You should see my search history and 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.200 what I had to do to accidentally stumble across this article. Okay, 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.120 so there has recently been an increase in the search 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.560 four different types of sex positions, so three hundred and 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.080 fifty five percent increase over the past week. 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:44.160 And that is not just me. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.280 I'd like to say, across the board, across the board, 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.839 across into web. Yeah, I think everyone's getting ready for 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.040 Valentine's Day coming up. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:51.320 That is interesting. 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.439 So in the past week, so what are we towards 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.680 the end of jan Okay, so people are doing their 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:56.400 due diligence. 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.959 That's like three weeks out of Valentine's Day. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.680 I told you January's very transformative time in the year 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.920 where people are wanting to try new things, broaden their expansion, 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.800 open up their minds, and also other areas of their. 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.080 Body open up for their legs. 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.360 I did want to talk to you about some of 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.800 the most common sex positions, and I also wanted to 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.160 get your take. I have a few questions for you. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.000 First up, what is your favorite sex position? Like if 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.920 you had to pin down one where would what would 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:26.080 you do? Oh? That is subjective because it depends what 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.280 the purpose is and what the end goal of that is. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.720 Because there are certain positions you do for different reasons. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.160 You don't do all your positions. Well, I don't think 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:34.559 missionary because I'm always tired. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:35.280 Yeah, but you don't. 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.480 Missionary is probably one of my favorites in all honesty, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.080 and it's not because it's exciting or anything. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:40.920 It's just because it always gets the job done, like 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.439 always you can. Missionary is so reliable. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.480 It is the most reliable sex position that there is, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:48.680 I think, without a doubt. 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:49.720 Is it the most exciting. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.920 No, It's also wildly underrated though. I think missionary because like, 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.280 missionary is also very intimate. If you're like someone who 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.600 likes to gaze into your partner's eyes, there's a lot 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.240 of connection with missionary. But you also don't have to 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:02.959 either like you can close your eyes and look over 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.959 the shoulder or something like. You don't have to have 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.440 that intense connection. But I would say, if I had 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.000 to pick one that I could only do for the 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.120 rest of my life, judge me if you will, it 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:13.000 would be missionary. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.080 I'm zero judgment because I feel like this. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.640 Okay, this has turned into the most fucking boring sex chat, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:18.800 but I'm agreeing. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.000 Like missionary is, so what's your favorite missionary? Yeah, missionary? 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.560 Like I mean, I've obviously tried all the others, actually 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.160 not all of them, some of them here, like real, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.599 tell me what's on the list. Okay, I'm going to 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.280 run you through a couple. The lotus. So the lotus 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.199 is basically a lot of these are very yoga esque. 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.040 As well, so you gotta be flexible, a little bit 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:36.680 of a workout. 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.719 So the lotus is when I mean, I'm going to 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.840 refer to this as though it's a heterosexual couple just 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.920 because like, well, that's what the pictures are that I'm 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.240 looking at. But the lotus is basically when the guy 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.319 sits cross legged and then the girl sits in his 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.400 lap with her legs wrapped around to him. Okay, intimate, nice, 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:55.120 but sometimes a bit hard to get, like the up 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.240 and down motion, don't you that is hard to get emotion? 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:01.720 Yeah, Like I just cu I've googled the position. I'm 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:03.079 not feeling it. You're not feeling that. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.199 Okay, we'll put that one down at like a seven 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.040 out of ten, Like, how would you rank five? 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:07.839 Five? Okay? 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.600 The next one is the splitting Bamboo where the girl 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.000 like lays on her side on the bed and then 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:14.800 she lifts her leg up to be like at a 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:18.319 ninety degree angle, and then the guy kind of mounts 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.240 like chig he's on in. Yeah, the size, the side 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:21.600 of the leg. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.360 It's kind of a bit like lazy sex, sort of 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:24.560 like hump. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.800 He just humps her leg a bit nowhere not he's like, well, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.120 I just give got a picture and he's her legs 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.440 over one shoulder and looks like he's like humping the leg. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.280 Obviously he's in her, but I feel like, obviously it's 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.160 not a Laura two point zero where he humps the back. 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:38.439 Of your leg. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.240 He's not having sex at the back of her leg. Yeah, 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.240 he's like in her, but like, as the female, you 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:43.679 don't have to do a lot in this position. There's 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.160 a lot of just laying there, okay, lazy and waiting 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.520 for a rating on this one. Oh, I mean, like 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.120 it depends are you hungover and really tired that he's 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.240 probably high on the list because you're like, get it 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.520 over with. I mean, lazy sex is great, but I 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.040 feel like sometimes the adventurous sex is overrated. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:12:59.600 I feel like. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.360 People need to feel like they need to be really 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.640 adventurous to jazz up in the bedroom. And it's great, 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.880 but I don't think anyone's getting to the finish line 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.600 doing a handstand. It's almost like having shower sex is 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:10.400 also overrated. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.400 Shower six, shower pool eddy water. 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.119 It's not actually lubricating like you think it's gonna be lubricating, 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.520 but if anything, it just actually makes things dry but 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.440 wet at the same time. And all it's so dry, 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.880 all those sexy movies that you watch growing up, I 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:25.600 just feel like it's setting up for failure, you know, 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.280 all the sexy pool scenes, fake news. Pool sex is terrible. 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.360 I have another one here, and I feel like this 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.120 is one. When I say lazy sex, I feel like 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:34.600 that this is one that we can all get behind. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.599 It's when you both just lay on your side and 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:38.880 kind of cuddle from behind like you're having a snuggle, 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.280 and who does the movement then he just slips it in. Well, 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.000 you both guess you both could kind of g a 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:47.040 little bit, depends on who's the laziest. No, I feel 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:49.880 I feel like this is my favorite after missionary into 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.120 this one. I feel like, I mean that is great, Yes, 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.160 that's great, hungover sexy and then and then you can 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.160 just roll onto your stomach and he can roll into 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:57.600 your backs. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.440 You do it? What do you mean? 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.439 Oh wow, we are getting such an inside Okay, I 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.440 love that this whole article. Laura's like, I swear to god, 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.079 I stumbled across this sex article. But here I am 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.240 having overthought every single position. Well, and then you can 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.880 say you've done two sex positions in one kind of 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.240 like a laying down doggy style and a side sex. 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.319 So we know Laura's deep dark secrets. When she's like, 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.120 we got so frisky last night. We did it like 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.200 two positions, You're like, cool, you're on your side and 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:23.880 then you rolled to your front. I want to know 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.360 one more thing. What is the craziest sex position you've 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:28.000 ever tried? 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.320 I did handstand sex one? How great? How do you 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.600 do hair? You've got to do like a handstand. But 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.920 you did the handstand. Yes, you do that. 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:43.160 You do the handstand and he's standing up, he goes 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.520 down into you. Yeah, so you have to be so 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:47.680 you have to be like a contortionist. It's not for 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:49.880 the faint hard and don't try this doesn't hurt your 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.960 arms after as everything, and does he hold you up. 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.240 It wasn't overly successful. It wasn't overly successful. But this 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:58.840 is my point. This is why I'm. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.760 Saying adventure sex is overrated. I think because people like 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.640 to feel like they're doing all these crazy things, but 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.040 it never really works, like. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.200 The really crazy stuff never works. What have you done? 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.280 I feel like you like it starts like you do 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.400 it for like thirty seconds and then you change to 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:12.880 something else. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:14.200 At least she ticked it off the list. I was 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.280 not strong enough to go for longer than thirty seconds. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.240 Okay, well, I guess it was kind of having sex, 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:22.920 but it wasn't like penal penetration. This is so graphics. Sorry, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.080 fuck daily Mail. This is gonna happen. He picked me 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.760 up and was standing up, and my legs were on 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.360 huge like like I was on his shoulders and the 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:32.800 roof whilst he was going down at me. 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.400 It was a lot, Oh my god, And it was 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.720 so unnecessary because I was so scared. I was gonna 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.360 lay down just on the bed. 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.600 When even get into it, I was like oh, and 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.520 then trying to pretend like I was liking it and 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.240 I wasn't. And anyway, Wow, he'd never missed a leg 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:52.720 day that guy. I'm sorry, Dad shot out, Sorry Matt. Anyway, guys, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.120 that is it from the whole sex position chat. I'm 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.920 sure beck is loving that. That's gonna be what prefaces 0:15:57.960 --> 0:15:59.120 her conversation. 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.400 She wants off this podcast before. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.040 We came to beg though, we do want to bring 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.800 our favorite segment accidentally unfiltered. All right, I'm going to 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.360 kick it off with one that is so aptly fitting 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.880 to the start of this conversation. When I first started 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.640 dating my boyfriend now fiance, we did long distance for 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.000 a year. One weekend he had come to visit me 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.920 in Victoria at the time, I was living in my parents' place. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.480 We were in the lounge room watching a movie and 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.960 things started to heat up a little bit. Both my 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.000 parents were at home, so being the very respectful teenager 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.320 that I was, we decided to go to the bedroom 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.000 so polite. So there we were in the bedroom and 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:36.720 the bed had a bit of a squeak to it, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.560 so we decided we would take things. 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:39.000 To the floor. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.200 Things had progressed pretty quickly. We were so in the 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.920 moment and we were making up for lost time. That's 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.080 when we moved into doggie style. Just then the door 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:52.000 squeaked open and my boyfriend turned around need pump to. 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.040 Lock eyes with my dad. 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.640 My whole left my body as my boyfriend asked, should 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.000 we finish? 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:05.959 Ha ha? No, No, you do not finish your bought mission. 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.880 Immediately imagine asking the dad should I finish? 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:10.199 Like? 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.040 Should I stop? Also, what do. 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.320 You do though, if your bar snaked doing doggy style 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:16.840 looking in your dad in the eyes like, I mean, 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:17.480 what do you do? 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.720 No? You imagine if that was Matt and that was 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.720 your teenage momy, No did you go there? 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.120 Because I just think that dad, he's gonna lose his shit. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.800 That kid can never come back, you know what. I 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:32.800 once walked to my mom and doggie style, and I reckon, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:39.920 that's just bad. That's so much worse. No, sorry, Mom, 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:41.679 I think she listens to this podcast. It was a 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.320 long time ago, A long long time should so Actually, 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:46.760 I don't know what's better if it was a long 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:47.320 time ago. 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.439 Or recently anyway, all right, me with your accidently unfiltered Okay, 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.680 this one's so unfortunate. Back in the day when snapchat 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.000 was a thing. I went to send a sexy pick 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.960 to a few boys that I was chatting up. Instead 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.680 sending it to each of them separately, I accidentally created 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.639 a group that they could all see each other snapchat 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:08.840 names in the group. 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.479 I almost had a heart attack. I sent the picture 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:12.600 in my panic state. 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.600 I couldn't work out how to delete the group, so 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:21.720 instead I just left the group. One of the guys, 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.680 She just left the group. One of the guys sent 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.160 me a screenshot of the conversation saying Sophie has left 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.800 the group, and to my horror, the boys continued on 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.600 chatting in the group afterwards. 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.280 Rip me. I die thinking about it. 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.639 Sophie has created a group of all the boys she liked, 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.399 sent a nude, and then panicked and left the group. 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:47.480 Now these boys don't know each other. There is a 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:49.600 group of six people that can see each other's names 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.840 that have the same girl's nude, and then she just. 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:52.840 Sophie leaves the group. 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.520 I just like that as a mic drop, Like Sophie 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.280 has left the building and the country see you later, 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.840 fellas has checked out. So I like the time efficiency 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.120 that she put into this. She's like, my time is precious, 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:05.600 and I do not have enough of it to be 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.360 sending you individual news. Here is one from the archives, 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.040 ladies and gentlemen. It's also like the people, and there 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.320 are so many online dating the people that just du 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.359 a copy and paste text of people, but they forget 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:16.800 to change the name and they just. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:18.919 Got before it. People do it all the time. Yeah, 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:19.879 come on, guys, you need to. 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:21.639 Put a little bit of effort in or you did 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.119 it or you received it. I think it's happened on 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:24.800 both sides of the coin. I think I did it 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.520 to a guy and it's definitely happened to me. Anyway, 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:29.439 we can all learn from each other's mistakes, can't we 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:40.760 rap Sophie? All right, let's get into the chat with Beck. Guys, 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:41.920 We're so excited. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.440 To have Beck on the podcast today. 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.560 Beck is a PR wizard, currently the founder and managing 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.320 director of the Comms Department, and she is the author 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:51.960 of a very exceptional book called You Have Got This. 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.960 It is the essential career handbook for a creative woman. Beck, 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:57.800 Welcome to Life on Card. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:19:59.080 Thank you so much. 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.240 Now. I didn't know Beck, but you and I have 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.200 been in contact for so long without actually knowing who 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.840 each other are like we I mean obviously knew who 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:08.760 you were you knowing about when this came today, I 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:10.719 didn't realize you'd been the person I've been emailing for 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.560 so long. We've had things to do with each other 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.200 in radio, in PR so many times. So it's nice 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:17.520 to meet you in the flesh. And can I just say, 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.600 you're now sitting in my house. You are getting a 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.400 very behind the scenes look at how we record. I'm 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:24.879 going to have to get you to sign a waiver, 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.199 a non disclaimer where you tell no one our secrets 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.359 and what really goes down here. But no, thank you 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.359 for coming on board today. And I hope you know 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:33.000 how we start our episodes. 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:37.040 Yes, accidentally unfiltered. We want you to embarrass yourself on 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:39.000 a national level. I love this. 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.080 I've got to say I'm quite honored because I love 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.840 listening to you accidentally unfiltered, So to be able to 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:45.360 do one quite. 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:46.960 Just cutting into the pot. 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.280 It's a pot of embarrassment that everyone feels. But also 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.800 it's a very humanizing way of getting to know someone 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.120 like I mean, we could ask tell us about your childhood, 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.480 you know, tell us about where you've been, but in said, 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:58.280 I want to know what you've done that you wish 0:20:58.280 --> 0:20:58.680 you hadn't. 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.520 I know, we've all done things, we've gone Oh no, what. 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:02.240 Is my life? 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.240 The emails we get people are in their embarrassing moment 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:06.720 as they speak, and they're emailing us. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.000 They're like, this is happening live. I am life showing 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:12.800 my embarrassing moment too. Well, that's great. So mine's a 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:13.560 few years old. 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.800 It was back when we could travel a bit more freely, 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.240 and I was in New York on a business trip 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:19.840 and it was a really big deal. It was my 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.280 first big trip overseas to be doing business and I 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:26.680 was going to the global headquarters of this client. And 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.160 I had really really bad jet lag, which I don't 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:31.880 usually get, but I was being careful. So I set 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:33.960 two alarms and I laid all my clothes out the 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.960 night before, and I was all organized and I woke up. Yes, 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.879 I slept through both my alarms, and I had thirty 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.199 minutes to get across town and be in this meeting. 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.639 So thankfully for my organization. The night before, I pulled 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:47.680 on my clothes, so I had like a really nice 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.639 little high waisted pencil skirt and this silk shirt and 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:54.240 some nice high heels and I ran out the door, thankfully, 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.639 jumped in a cab and doing my hair and makeup 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.000 on the way, and I got to the meeting and 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.000 I was like, oh my god, Okay, just perform, You're on, 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:05.159 Let's do this. So I did the meeting and it 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:08.159 went incredibly well. I finished the whole meeting and I 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:12.320 went outside and finished it, and I thought, I'm amazing, 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:15.800 I'm high fiving myself, I'm congratulating myself. I'm really feeling myself. 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.919 And I hail a yellow cab like a true New 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:21.000 Yorker yet again, sitting in the cab all the way 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.960 back to the hotel, going I'm the best. I'm so amazing. 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:26.080 I got out of the cab in front of this 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:28.080 beautiful hotel that I was staying at, and it had 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.000 the doormenute out the front, your people everywhere. It was 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.800 like peak how there were people absolutely everywhere. And I 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:35.720 stepped out of the cab and the cab drove off, 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:40.200 and as I stepped out, the zip on my skirt 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:44.400 just busted, and my skirt felt my eyes and. 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:47.159 Like a cape, like a cape, like a big reveal. 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:49.560 And I'm standing. 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:51.919 On one of the busiest streets in Manhattan in my 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:53.960 bright pink lacey string. 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:57.600 Sounds like a city moment. It really was. 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.480 And what had happened was in my haste that morning 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:01.760 to get dress. I'd been wearing my skirt back to 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:04.280 front all morning and it had put such a strain 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:07.679 on my zip that it had just busted. And that 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.520 idea that in New York that you know, people don't 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:12.600 really care what happens, and you could be running down 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.000 the street with your hair on fire and nobody pays 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.119 any attention to you. I can tell you that is 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:24.080 not true. Absolutely everybody turned around looked at me, smirking, snickering, laughing. 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:25.159 It was mortified. 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:28.760 Could you see in Okay, So my brain was trying 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:30.320 to jump ahead that whole chat, and I was like, 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:31.640 she's forgotten a bra, her shirt. 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:33.960 She's like that in the middle of a chat. 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:36.760 The reason they were like, you've got the job is 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.320 because you can see a nippook. But the question is 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:42.920 was it obvious that your skirt was backwards, Like was 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:44.680 it something that you could have maybe gotten away with, 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:47.120 or would they be looking at you saying, this poor thing, 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:48.639 we'll give her the job because she doesn't know she 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:49.400 can't rescise. 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.000 I'm not sure. I really don't know. To trust me, 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:54.280 I've thought of that too the entire time. But I 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:56.520 was more relieved at the fact that my skirt hadn't 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:58.920 just fallen off in front of the client, as opposed 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:01.400 to all these people I didn't know, but I probably 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:02.400 didn't mind too much. 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.239 Do you know what back, I'm going to give you 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:06.480 a little bit of like comfort in numbers here. I 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:08.760 was once standing in the food court in David Jones 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:11.679 in Sydney, and I had three mangoes in my hands, 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:15.399 and I sneezed, and because I didn't have three hands, 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:18.880 so I was holding three mangoes like nursing them between 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:21.359 my chest and my hands, and I sneezed, and the 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.160 exact same thing happened. My skirt exploded and fell down 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:26.440 around my ankles. And I had forgotten that that even 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:27.400 happened until now. 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.280 Well, I'm going to one up both of you from that's. 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.240 Why you came here for, guys, turned into an accidentally 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:36.320 unfiltered competition. I was in the operator working in operating theater. 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:38.920 I did all medical imagining in the theater in operations, 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:42.280 and I had these scrubs on there were only extra 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:44.760 large scrubs left. They didn't fit me, so I tied 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:46.880 them as tired as I could. I had a lead 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.080 gown on that protects through you from radiation. All the 0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:51.800 surgeons were there, there were reps there, there were nurses, 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:55.280 scrub nurses, hot surgeons too, hot surgeons, also. 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:56.120 Old surgeons, very old. 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.399 And the lead gown that I wore dropped to the 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:01.520 ground and it was so heavy that it pulled my 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:03.800 pants down and my hands were full of this equipment 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:05.600 that takes up after him. And I was standing in 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:08.560 the operating theater making eye contact and I couldn't pull 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:10.119 my pants up because I was in the middle of 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:11.600 screening a live operation. 0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:13.600 So I stood there working. 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.040 With my pants down and I was like, I burn 0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:18.080 your eyes everyone, there's nothing to see here. I also 0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:20.920 love that you came with a work accidentally un filter 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:23.399 lay bake. It had to be work related. Now that 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:27.359 the reason why we got you, and that was it. 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:28.480 We was a wrap with that. 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:30.560 All I can think of is how you would have 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:33.120 made that surgeon's day like they would have been loving last. 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:35.200 Yeah, I think they're a bit excited, and they kept 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.520 asking for me back by name, so I feel like, hey, 0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:41.760 we'll take Brittany, thank you packing much now. In fact, 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:43.119 the reason why we wanted to get you on the 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.840 podcast and to do this episode is because heading into 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:49.240 well relatively the new year, still in January, but it's 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:50.960 really a time of transition for a lot of people. 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:53.720 It's a lot of time where we consider like what worked, 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:55.959 what job we want to be doing, whether we're enjoying 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:57.879 the work that we're doing, what even is life? 0:25:57.960 --> 0:25:58.359 What even? 0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:00.200 Yeah, do we want to start a business? Are we 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:01.879 on the right track? Like you know, do we feel 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.000 like we're being appreciated in our work players? There's so 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.680 many facets that I think at this time of year 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.720 we start to really consider around our work and Britain 0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:12.879 and I we've never done an episode solely dedicated to 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:15.840 kind of unpacking what takes up so much of our 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:18.600 life outside of relationships is our work relationships and our 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:21.560 work life. And you've written an incredible book. Could you 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:24.879 have got this? What was the original inspiration behind writing 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:25.320 the book? 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:28.479 There were three reasons that I wrote this book, and 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.840 one was I had a lot of graduates and professionals 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:35.719 coming to me for career advice who either were trying 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:37.639 to get a leg up in their own industry or 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:39.639 work out what they really wanted to do or wanted 0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:42.600 to start their own business. And so I was already 0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:44.760 compiling a lot of that information. I'm a writer, so 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:46.560 I always liked to write a big email, and I 0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:48.720 was sending it off anyway, So I'd already started to 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:52.560 compile all of this information. And I also the big 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:55.040 one for me was that I personally had a really 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:58.639 rough time navigating my own career in my late teens 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:02.119 and early twenties, like real rough in my efforts to 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:05.440 create a successful career. I ended up with anxiety, depression, 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.320 eating disorders. It was not a great place for me. 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:12.280 And I learned a lot through scientific journals. I learned 0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:14.399 a lot through research. I learned a lot through my 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.040 own experience, good and bad, about what I should and 0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:19.320 shouldn't be doing. And I just wanted to be able 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.400 to share that information and that knowledge because I wish 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:24.399 that somebody had been able to give me a book 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.800 with a whole bunch of short tips and hacks to say, 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:30.680 if you just follow these things, your work life is 0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:32.240 going to be a lot easier, and it's going to 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:33.639 be a lot happier as well. 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:35.520 It's so interesting, isn't it, Because we talk about this 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.280 in terms of relationships, like no one gives you a manual, 0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:41.520 and like your twenties is so fucking hard because you're 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:43.760 trying to figure out, like what is the right way 0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:46.200 to navigate these relationships? How do you kind of work 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.880 your way through what's right for you, what works for you. 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.639 It's such a confusing time of life, but no one 0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:53.480 really ever talks about it in a work sense, and 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.800 I think that the exact same problems apply with almost 0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:58.760 less direction. There's a lot of people out there who 0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:00.639 seem to enjoy their work, but there's a lot of 0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:03.600 people who truly hate Monday to Friday and they live 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.639 for the weekend. And so what was it about writing 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:10.280 this kind of like manual or handbook, Like how did 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.280 you compile this information when you say you lived your twenties, 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.720 what was it about your own experience in your twenties 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:17.359 and in your workplace that you were like, no, I 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:18.640 need to impart this knowledge. 0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:19.080 Yeah. 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.080 So when I was twenty five, I had what I 0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:24.720 call my quarter life crisis, where I realized that this 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:27.679 career that i'd been working towards since I was a 0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:29.480 little girl, which at the time was to be a 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:33.000 singer and entertainer, was not actually fulfilling me and wasn't 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:37.359 making me happy. And I was heartbroken because I'd worked 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:39.520 on this since I was like ten years old. I'd 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.040 been having singing and dancing lessons the entire time, and 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.160 I'd studied at the Conservatorium and studied music and it 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:49.280 was absolutely my life. And I was traveling overseas doing that, 0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.960 doing the job. I was performing in musicals and on 0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:55.840 stage in jazz bands, and I loved it, but the 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.720 lifestyle was grueling. So this was right before smartphones and 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.920 social media really took off, so I was really quite 0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.480 isolated from my family and friends. I'm also quite a 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.600 day person, so for somebody who's having to work at 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.240 night all the time, it actually probably wasn't a great 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:12.840 thing for me to be doing. And I was under 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:16.680 scrutiny all the time. And these days, life on the 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:19.080 stage is a little bit easier. There's a lot more diversity, 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:22.360 there's a lot more care for talent. But back then, 0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:25.000 if you weren't a certain size and a certain look, 0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:28.320 you were just cast aside. And because of that, I 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:31.280 developed quite bad eating disorders, and they carried through for 0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:34.520 quite a long time, and so I landed in Sydney. 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.560 I'd been traveling all over the world and I came 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.360 back to Sydney when I just turned twenty five. I 0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:43.040 didn't know anybody here, wasn't my hometown, and I decided 0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:45.800 that I needed to take stock and really work out 0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:47.880 what I wanted to do next. So I went back 0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:51.560 to UNI and studied media and communications, and that led 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:54.640 to my next career, which was in public relations. But again, 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.480 so many lessons learned through that, and I was also 0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:00.800 somebody who was quite independent. I didn't like gasking for advice. 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:03.520 Some of it came from not wanting to bother people 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:05.800 and also not really knowing who to reach out to. 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:07.800 I didn't know anyone who worked in PR. I also 0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.400 didn't know anybody who worked in music and entertainment back 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:14.440 when I was a young girl as well. So I 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:19.280 really admire anybody who can give somebody a leg up, 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:23.360 somebody who can be generous with information, and somebody who's 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:27.320 happy to actually spend time telling somebody their secrets. I 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.720 think a lot of people feel that if they give 0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:33.000 away all their secrets, then somebody will do better than 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:35.160 them and take over their career, and suddenly there'll be 0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:38.760 nothing left for them. I really do have the sense 0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:41.560 that the universe is a very abundant space and there's 0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:43.880 enough for everybody, and there's enough to go around. The 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.120 pie is very big and it's ever expanding, and there's 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:49.920 a piece enough for everybody. So the more we expand 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.440 our knowledge, the more that we share our information, the 0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:55.200 better this world is going to be, and also the 0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:56.800 better our workspaces are going to be. 0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.719 I mean, we love pies here at a wrong kind 0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:03.680 of pie rand. We also love sharing our pie, but 0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:04.520 we couldn't agree more. 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:05.440 And Laura and I, I. 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.360 Mean, we have these discussions all in private. We plan 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:11.000 on having a discussion more on this platform. But Australia 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.520 really does have this level of tall poppy syndrome and 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.080 I still can't quite get my head around it. There 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.240 is a level I sort of feel bad saying this. 0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:21.080 There's a level of like women supporting women and people 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.160 supporting people, but there's a level of it that I 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:23.800 don't believe. 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:25.520 There's a level of it that I see where. 0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:27.440 I think that people are putting on a front and 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:30.080 a face. You know, they're pretending that they're more supportive 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:32.280 of people than they actually are. How long were you 0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:35.520 stuck doing what you were doing before you realized you 0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:38.280 didn't like it? So were you two years deep, two 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.320 years hating every single day or was it only a 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.239 few months until you changed your mind? Because I know 0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:44.160 there are a lot of people that do not want 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.160 to go to their job every single day for. 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.000 Years, but they don't know how to change it. 0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.640 Yeah, that's a good question for me. I think I 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.120 was lucky in that it was probably only It was 0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:56.280 probably only a year, and I was more torn. I 0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.840 didn't want to leave that industry, and I tried so 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:01.200 many ways to think of how I could make it work. 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.200 In fact, I was like, maybe I could work during 0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.840 the days, So I started working as a children's entertainer 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:08.480 with a band a bit like The Wiggles, which I 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.760 find hilarious because now we look after the PR for 0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:13.840 the Wiggles, it really is. 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.320 I mean, Emma's just laughed, so you could step down back. 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.920 It's my spot, but it's finally my time. But what 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.920 was actually kind of interesting was when I moved into 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:27.920 PR as well. I didn't immediately love it at all. 0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.720 I felt so out of my depth. There was still 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:32.520 a part of me going no, I'd much rather be 0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:36.280 back singing and performing, and I was starting at the bottom. 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.720 Nobody likes to start at the bottom because it was 0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:40.320 new and I didn't know what I was doing. I 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.080 didn't feel accomplished at it. So that very first PR 0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.560 job that I had when I was in Sydney, while 0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:47.360 I was still studying, I studied by correspondence, so I 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:50.520 did online learning with Deacon University and that allowed me 0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:52.440 to be able to work because I still needed to 0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:54.440 pay my rent and everything, like, I still needed to 0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:57.360 support myself. I come from two working class parents who 0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:00.240 I'm certainly not trust fun kid or anything. We had 0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.440 to work to get to where we are, and so 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.880 I was working during the day, still singing and things 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.560 at night and studying and then my first PR job. 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:10.920 I cried on the bus most days on the way 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:14.120 to work because I hated it. My boss was like quiet, 0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:15.920 she was amazing, but very devil. 0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:16.640 Where's Prada? 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:22.160 Completely? Completely, That's exactly it was, exactly Devil was Prada? 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:25.400 And I didn't particularly know what I was doing. Also 0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:27.560 wasn't sure if I was the right career for me, 0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:30.800 but I knew that if I dedicated some time to it, 0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:33.760 gave it a year, just kept working hard, put my 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.400 head down, kept doing the things that perhaps other people 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.360 didn't want to do, and just learned on the job 0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:41.440 that something would happen at the end of it. And 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:43.440 the other thing that I realized too, which is hard 0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:45.840 when you're in it, it was only a year out 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:47.440 of my life. If I really hated it, I could 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:50.000 probably go back to singing, or I could do something else. 0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:53.400 And I try to remind myself that now I'm forty 0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.560 two now, and often people will go, oh, it's too 0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.040 late to start a new career. I think that's rubbish. 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:01.320 I could throw my biness a way tomorrow. Not that 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:04.360 I would, but I could and start again. And we 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.440 can start again at any time. So it's always a 0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:08.280 great thing to remember. 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.040 I really love that you've touched on this because I 0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:13.719 think that this can be something and I know it's 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:16.280 something that I struggled with when I had a career pivot. 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:19.320 It's this idea that I've done so many years of study. 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:23.120 I've put so many years into this career. There's almost 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.440 like a morning that identity say this. Also, I have 0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:27.360 some friends who work in medicine, and it's like, but 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:29.040 I thought I was going to have this career. I 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:30.480 thought I was going to be a surgeon, or I 0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:32.719 thought I was going to be an anestus. And then 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:35.600 they've gotten into the career and don't particularly like it 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:37.600 or it's not what they thought it was going to be. 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.000 But it's the dealing with the breakdown. 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.480 Of the identity and what they had hoped for themselves 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:44.960 to then think about pivoting and going and trying something 0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:47.759 new and maybe seeing that pivot as a failure. What 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.400 would you say to somebody who is at that cornerstone 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:52.439 or that fork in the road and they've just spent 0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:55.440 all these years, ten years investing into what their career 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.719 life is, but now they think, fuck, it's not what 0:34:57.760 --> 0:34:59.240 I want and maybe I need to change. 0:34:59.560 --> 0:34:59.880 Do you know? 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.200 I just kind of got chills thinking about that, Because 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.680 the best part about that is nothing is ever wasted. 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.080 So the experience that you have doing whatever it is 0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.520 you've trained to do will come up again at some 0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:13.640 point in your life and you'll be able to use it. 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:17.920 So even if you were moving from medicine through. 0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:21.760 To entertainment like me, that is literally. 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:25.400 Likely, but the rigor and the structure that you probably 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:28.680 had to have in your medical career to be able 0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:31.520 to put that into your entertainment career, so that you 0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.879 actually have a framework around you that will support you 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.840 when you're in an industry that is very up and 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.480 down and quite volatile, is probably going to be the 0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.640 best thing for you. Whereas if somebody entered entertainment with 0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:46.880 absolutely no structure, no routines, no ideas of kind of 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.200 how the wider world worked, they're going to find it 0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:50.520 a lot more difficult than you will. 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.120 I do really believe that exactly what you just say, 0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:56.319 that everything you're doing is knowledge and he's setting you 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.200 up for what is to come. There is literally something 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.560 and I'm talking relationships, work, life, experience. Everything is something 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.480 you can draw on, even like this podcast now, the 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:06.439 things that we've both done in the past is what's 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.440 helping us to achieve what we're achieving now because we 0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.239 can draw back on those experiences. For me, it was 0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:16.160 really hard to transition from having a medical background to entertainment. 0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:18.239 It was something that I knew I wanted to do, 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.480 but I never really knew how, and I had a 0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.040 very hard time letting go and moving on. And I 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:25.440 think that is what happens to a lot of people. 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.800 They don't know how to physically take the jump. 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:29.600 How do I do it? 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:31.480 How do I actually get out of what I'm doing? 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:33.279 How do I start a business that's not going to 0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.560 make any money for a while. What advice would you 0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.480 give to someone who's in that transitional phase between moving 0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:42.040 from one career into another or wanting to start something 0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:43.880 but they don't have the funds or they don't have 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:45.480 the ability to just go cool, I'm going to quit 0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:47.680 and start a new business, or the physically. 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:47.759 Don't know how. 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.560 Yeah, So the first thing you want to do is 0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:53.920 give yourself the confidence that you're making the right decision. 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.480 And to do that, everything that you do in life 0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.640 needs to come back to your values and what you 0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.399 stand for, and that will come down to the way 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.160 that you present yourself to the world in addition to 0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:09.399 making you really happy. So once you know what your 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:12.400 values are, the idea around values is these are your 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:15.000 guiding lights. So whenever you're about to make any decision, 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:18.120 you then look at your values or your priorities and say, 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:20.480 is this thing that I'm about to do going to 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:24.120 support or hinder my values and then you make your 0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:26.480 decision either way. So everyone's values is completely different. So 0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:29.120 my advice would be do a brainstorm. So get a 0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:32.680 piece of paper out, just start writing pop on your computer. 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:35.920 I personally prefer to write like pen on paper because 0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:38.080 studies have shown that you are forty five to eighty 0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:40.839 percent more likely to actually act on something if you've 0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:44.000 physically written it down. So write these things down and 0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:46.239 it can be like what is the most important thing 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.759 to you or what is the thing that you want 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:52.200 to achieve in life? And those things really different to everybody. 0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:54.719 It could be I want to be really healthy, I 0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.279 want to start a charity. I want to be famous. 0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:01.000 I want to run a marathon. I want to create 0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.719 a business, employed lots of people, so many things. I 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:05.880 want to practice law, I want to work in entertainment. 0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.799 I want to work as a vet. Like it is limitless. 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.560 But the best way to look at it is make 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:14.359 sure that everything on that list actually applies to you 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.319 and isn't what your family or your friends want you 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:19.360 to do or what you think you should be doing. 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:22.240 Because often what society kind of tells us we should 0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:24.279 be doing what our family and friends want us to 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.440 be doing isn't quite the right thing. If you're really 0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.600 influenced by what your family and friends are kind of 0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.799 wanting you to do, then perhaps having great relationships with 0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:35.880 your family and friends is really important to you and 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.480 is a core value and priority. So once you've got 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.040 this huge page of things, you need to prioritize them 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.239 into a list of ten. So the best way to 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:45.000 do that is say, if I could only have one 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.920 of these things as my top priority, what's it going 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:49.600 to be? And then you choose one, and then you 0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:51.279 choose the next one, and then you choose the next one, 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:53.400 and you'll end up with a list of like ten things. 0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:56.560 What's really interesting is that these priorities will change and 0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.560 shift over the course of your life. So what I 0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:02.600 prior tires and what my values are now vastly different 0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:06.040 to five years ago, completely different to ten, fifteen years ago, 0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.920 and that's okay. We're under no obligation to remain the 0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:11.680 same people for our whole lives, so we can just 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.400 change as we need to. But once you've got your 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.400 list of values, go through them and shorten them down 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:19.480 to like one word. So, for example, if one of 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:22.560 your priorities is to have a really successful career, that 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.400 might be success. Or if you want to make a 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:27.799 lot of money, it could just be wealth. Or if 0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.120 you want to start a family, that might just be family. 0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:32.960 So you have a list of these ten things, and 0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:36.839 then every decision that you choose to make, you come 0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:40.080 back to that list of ten things and say, if 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.480 I do this, if I take this job, are these 0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:46.560 priorities being looked after? So values number one? Next one 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:50.960 of passions. So your passions or your curiosities are the 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.719 things that set you alight. They're the things that get 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:55.160 you out of bed in the morning. They're the things 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:58.560 that time stand still when they're happening. They're the things 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:00.560 that make you do a podcast six o'clock in the 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:02.479 morning or at midnight when the kids are still asleep. 0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:03.640 You're not making any money from it. 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:06.840 Yeah, and you're like why there was James where I 0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:08.680 was like, this is not I don't know what this is. 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.960 So when you've got those passions all same thing, do 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.440 a brainstorm, write them all down. Say what do I 0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:20.480 really love to do? Do I love podcasting? Do I 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:26.000 love painting? Do I love coding? Do I love creating? Events? 0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:28.239 Like it could be absolutely anything, and again it's really 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.799 particular to you and you only. They're often the things 0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:33.360 that you're really good at. Your passions are things generally speaking, 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:35.160 that you're very good or that you're good at, or 0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:38.120 that you'd like to do. Then refine that list and 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:41.560 say which ones am I actually great at, like really 0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:44.960 good at intrinsically, like, for example, problem solving could be 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:47.400 on there. They could be hard skills like being a writer, 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:49.680 or they could be soft skills, which is like problem 0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:53.359 solving or being an empathetic person or being a good communicator. 0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:56.319 Go through and decide in that list of passions what 0:40:56.440 --> 0:41:00.520 it is you're actually good at or that you're willing 0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:03.120 to put the time and effort in to become good at. So, 0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:05.640 if you wanted to become a singer and you're like, 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.040 I'm okay, but I don't think I'm amazing, are you 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.000 really willing to put in the time and effort to 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:13.120 be having singing lessons, to do all the practice, dedicate 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:15.480 all of that, Because if you're not, then singing probably 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:17.759 shouldn't be on your list because you're really not going 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.279 to do it. So you've got your values, which are 0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:23.040 your priorities. Then you've got your passions, which are the 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:24.919 things that you really want to do and the things 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.680 that you love, and then you just start looking at 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:30.799 them overlapping and then decide if this career move that 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.359 you want to move into is going to have those 0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:36.200 two things kind of intersecting. A couple more questions that 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.400 you can ask yourself, which are your dream life questions? 0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.360 Am I crazy? 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.160 That's always up there to that you always say yes. 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:46.560 Of course, but that's like a fun kind of crazy, 0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:47.840 good fun crazy. 0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:52.799 But the one dream life question is to say, if 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:54.719 I had all the money in the world and never 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:57.439 had to worry about paying bills ever again, how would 0:41:57.480 --> 0:41:59.759 I spend my time? What would I actually be doing? 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:03.919 Such a good question. Do you think worry you're doing 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:05.680 you'd be still doing the same thing. Well, I think 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:07.040 I'd be in the. 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:09.480 I think I'd be there for a few weeks, and 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:12.080 when I would come back, it would be podcasting from 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:13.160 the Bahamas. 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.080 So things might be elevated. But you know what, you 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.920 would probably still be podcasting, and you would still have 0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:21.400 Tony May and you would still be acting, but you 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.080 would be probably. 0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:24.640 Doing it somewhere really awesome. 0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.680 It's choosing whether or not that's what you'd want to do. 0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.439 The other dream life question that's really important to ask 0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:34.160 yourself is if I do these things, am I going 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:36.200 to be happy? And am I going to be a 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:40.839 good person who's a good person in society? Because you 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:45.040 might choose to start a really profitable business that's earning 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.600 millions and millions of dollars, or you might decide that 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.520 you want to be a lawyer and a huge law firm. However, 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:54.040 if you look at your priorities and your values, you 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.560 might have to reconcile the fact that you're not going 0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:58.799 to be able for a few years until you've built 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:00.799 that business up. You're not going to be able to 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.160 manage some of those other values or priorities. You're not 0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:04.560 going to be able to spend time on them. You're 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:05.759 not going to be able to spend time in your 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:07.759 other passion. So you have to decide whether or not 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:11.160 you can do that, and if you can't, maybe it's 0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:13.279 time for a different career, if maybe that's not the 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:15.279 right one for you. And then coming back to you know, 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.239 am I going to be a good human? Can I 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:21.520 be somebody who's in this world who's contributing to society? 0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:24.279 And doing things ethically and sustainably as well. I think 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:25.360 that's always a good start. 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:28.040 What do you think in terms of like so, for example, 0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:29.799 a lot of people who get into creative careers it's 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.239 because it's their hobby, it's their passion. But then there 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.720 is such a big shift and change in turning something 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:36.920 that you love into turning it into your work. 0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:38.839 And I know for a lot of people. 0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:41.160 And friends of mine who have tried to turn their 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:44.360 creative passions into their work, they've almost come to resent 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:47.280 what they used to love. But how would you suggest 0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:50.800 somebody who's trying to transition a passion into their career, 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:52.840 how do they keep that passion alive? 0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:53.680 Yeah? 0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:55.400 I feel you on that one. And it's so funny 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:57.720 because if I had at the start of my career 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:00.319 worked out what my values were, what my passion where 0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:03.279 I ask myself those dream life questions, probably wouldn't have 0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:05.400 become a performer. I wouldn't have become a singer. I 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:07.759 would have kept it as a hobby because I loved it. 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:10.960 I loved to sing, but I didn't necessarily love all 0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:13.719 the practice. I didn't necessarily love performing at night. I 0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:17.000 didn't love lugging all my band gear from venue to venue. 0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:19.560 Some musicians love that. They just think it's the best ever, 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:21.600 and they're the people who should be doing that. So 0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:25.360 once you've established whether or not this truly is your passion, 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:29.160 it is putting the sort of frameworks around you that 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:31.440 will support you to be able to do the parts 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:34.120 of the business that you really love the most. I'm 0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:37.400 the same so running the comms department. When you're running 0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:40.400 a business, there's the business side of everything, and if 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:42.920 you've got team and employees, there's a whole lot of 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.480 admin that comes with all of that, combined with the 0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:49.160 new business of making sure that there's clients in the 0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:51.719 pipeline to keep us all sustainable. And then on top 0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:54.640 of that, you're doing the actual work. And when I 0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:56.759 had a really big team of people and I was 0:44:56.840 --> 0:44:58.800 constantly just doing all the admin, I would get to 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:00.560 the end of the day and go, I haven't done 0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:04.279 a single creative piece of pr all day totally, and 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.719 I hate it. And so I had to restructure my 0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.839 business to ensure that I had people who I really 0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:13.520 trusted and who knew exactly what they were doing to 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:15.880 be able to manage those parts of the business that 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:17.879 I didn't particularly want to do so that I could 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:19.920 get back to doing the parts that I really loved. 0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:23.719 Having said that, I also think that there needs to 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:27.399 be a good, healthy dose of reality that there will 0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.000 always be crap parts of your job that you don't 0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:31.880 particularly enjoy, but you do them anyway. 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:33.600 Totally, totally. 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:36.759 It's a bad perspective really, Like you said, it's bad, 0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:38.520 it's going to come with the good. There's highs and 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:41.000 as lows in everything, and they can't run without each other. 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:41.560 It's like dating. 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:43.160 You've got to get through the shit to get to 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:44.839 the good stuff, like you have to go through those 0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:47.080 toads to get to that beautiful prince at the end. 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:50.000 But that brings me perfectly to the whole work life balance. 0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.040 Now you speak about career life flow and work life balance, 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:55.440 What is the difference between career life flow? Say that 0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:57.960 ten times fast. What is the difference between career lifelow 0:45:58.000 --> 0:45:58.920 and work life balance? 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:01.359 So we've all heard of work life balance. It's been 0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:03.800 around for a long time, and I think it's really 0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:07.800 antiquated now and it's probably needs a new definition because 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:12.319 work life balance was that ancient idea that on one 0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.239 side you had work and on the other side you 0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:16.760 had life and they never met and they never mixed. 0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:21.359 And who are those people who do that? Have no idea, 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:24.040 But what generally happens. So imagine you've got like a 0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:27.560 playground seesaw, and on one end you've got work, and 0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:29.440 then you put lots of work on one end, and 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:31.560 the other end shoots up and that's your life end. 0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:33.400 So you put some life on, you catch up with 0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:35.200 your family and friends, and then you kind of try 0:46:35.239 --> 0:46:37.520 to even out the work and the life so that 0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:40.760 it's on an even keel. But over time, what generally 0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:43.279 happens is that work gets busy, so more and more 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:45.560 work gets dumped onto the work end, and so life 0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:47.560 shoots up empty again. So you stack more and more 0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:50.120 life on there. You trying to do more life Adamin. 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:51.920 You're trying to catch up with your family and friends. 0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:54.359 You're trying to exercise, you're trying to sleep, you're trying 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:56.200 to eat well, you're trying to do all of those things. 0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:58.319 And over time, all that happens is your seesaw gets 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.160 heavier and heavier and heavier on either until one day 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.680 it just snaps and shatters into a million pieces. And 0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:07.040 that's where you get burnout, that's where you get hating 0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:09.000 your job. That's where you get depression, that's where you 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:12.080 get anxiety, and it's just such a road to misery. 0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:16.680 So career life flow is a different idea, but it 0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:21.000 works more in today's workforce as well, where because of 0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:25.200 today's tech, we can be contactable all the time. Doesn't 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:27.560 mean we should be, but we can be working at 0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:30.359 all hours of the day and night. So a really 0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:33.080 great idea of it is, so career is anything to 0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:35.120 do with your work. So it's your actual day to 0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.960 day work, your job, but also the relationships with all 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:39.960 the people pertaining to your work. So it might be 0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:43.520 your bosses, your colleagues, your clients, your customers. And then 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:48.200 you have your life, which is your sleep, your exercise, 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:53.120 your eating, your family, your friends, your appointments, your hobbies, 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:55.800 anything that kind of doesn't fit into your career bucket. 0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.799 Of course, there's often a lot of crossover, particularly if 0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:00.759 you really love the work that you're doing, there's often 0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:02.200 a lot of crossover. You have a lot of the 0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:04.040 people that I work with are really good friends of mine, 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:07.040 so and the same obviously for you guys. And then 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:11.239 you have flow. So career life flow. Flow is the 0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:14.560 way that you low like a river in between both 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:18.239 of those activities, and rather than the idea that work 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:21.520 and life never meet, your career and your life be 0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:25.600 segmented down into smaller chunks throughout the day, smaller segments 0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:29.000 throughout the day, and then you very mindfully kind of 0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:31.279 flow from one to the other. Like you might get 0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:33.120 up at six or seven in the morning, and then 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:35.440 you'll head off and you might dismexercise, or you might 0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:37.919 look after your kids, so that's kind of falling into 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:41.879 the life bucket. But meanwhile you're checking some emails, and 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.000 then you might thirty minutes of checking your emails and 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:45.840 doing that, and then you start to get ready and 0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:47.640 then perhaps you're getting ready to go to work. So 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.040 you've done like maybe an hour of life and then 0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:53.840 thirty minutes of career, and then you'll flow throughout the 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:57.760 day in that way. So this is different though to multitasking. 0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:01.480 So multitasking is the idea that you're doing multiple things 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:04.600 at once, and there's this kind of myth that women 0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:06.640 are very good at well, it's true women are very 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:10.640 good at multitasking. If multitasking actually existed, what you're actually 0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:15.360 doing when you're multitasking, is swapping between tasks really really fast, 0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:17.840 one after the other. And what happens is your brain. 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:20.640 All the studies have shown that your brain absolutely hates 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:22.439 that over a long period of time. It just makes 0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:25.440 you really exhausted and is yet another recipe for burnout. 0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:29.120 So when you're doing your career and when you're doing 0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:33.279 your life, try to complete one task, really finish that off, 0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:35.799 take a pause, and then move on to the next 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:38.440 one and flow into the next one instead. So it 0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.719 does mean that your work day, for example, might look 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.160 like you're working from six in the morning through till 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:48.640 nine at night, but you've segmented enough life moments throughout 0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:51.960 that day to ensure that your life hours are being 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:54.160 met as well. So the way that you could do it, 0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:56.839 you can end up mapping out again and get your 0:49:56.840 --> 0:49:59.680 pin and paper out and just map out like some segments. 0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:02.120 Save from six to seven, I'm going to do this 0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.319 from eight till nine, I'm going to do this from 0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:06.959 nine till twelve. I'm going to do this. Just map 0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:08.960 out and then put in the hours that you would 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:11.480 spend on your career, and that also includes the time 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:13.840 you're thinking about your career because I know as O, 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:15.759 I know we kind of think a lot about our 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:18.560 careers and where we want to be going. So allocate 0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:22.239 those into the career buckets and then into your life buckets. 0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:25.480 Just make sure that you're really scheduling in all of 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:27.520 those things that are important to you. You want to 0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:28.640 be able to look back at the end of the 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:30.640 day and go I've worked from six till eight, but 0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:33.040 I've also had some really great life moments. 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:34.920 I went out for a walk, or I went and 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:37.799 got a coffee, or jumped in the ocean really quickly. 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:39.600 Exactly, and you did that mindfully. So when you were 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:41.120 having when you went for that walk, when you went 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.000 and had that coffee, when you jumped in the ocean, 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:46.280 when you caught up with your girlfriends, you were doing 0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:49.439 just that. You weren't thinking about work at the same time. 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:52.000 And that's probably the hard bit, Like the amount of times, right, 0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:53.719 I'm sure there's so many people listening to this where 0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.800 you're like trying to answer emails but you're also watching 0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:59.240 your kids and you're doing both jobs a bit shit, 0:50:59.600 --> 0:51:01.640 and that is what makes you feel like not only 0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:04.320 are you doing everything, but you're not doing anything well 0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:07.160 at the same time, and that kind of adds to 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:11.000 this feeling of not just work dissatisfaction, but just feeling 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:11.719 like you're not good at. 0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:13.160 Your job and really discouraging. 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:15.600 It's so discouraging. I think it's important to have a 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:19.479 level of realism here as well. When you start your. 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:21.600 Own business, or when you take a leap into something 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:24.200 that's yours that you are building from the ground up, 0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:27.000 you have to work harder than you normally would. You 0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:28.600 have to put the hours in because you don't have 0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:31.080 money to pay anyone else yet. And I think I 0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:32.960 think people need to be realistic, and I think people 0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:35.080 get discouraged by that. They start their own business, they 0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:37.560 realize how much goes into it. It's always going to 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:40.120 be like that until it takes off or you make 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:42.640 just enough to get someone in to help you. Well, 0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:44.759 it's that old adage as well of like I quit 0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:47.000 my nine to five to work twenty four seven. That's 0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:49.279 so many people who run them. That's so true, people 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:51.839 who run their own businesses. It's like the amount of 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:53.920 friends I have who run their own businesses who are like, 0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:56.280 I don't stop, Like I used to have a normal 0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:58.160 work life balance and now I just work and there's 0:51:58.160 --> 0:51:58.759 no balance and. 0:51:58.719 --> 0:51:59.279 I have no life. 0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:01.320 Yeah, what do you think for people who work in 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:04.080 a creative industry and for women specifically who work in 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:06.400 a creative industry, what are some of the biggest challenges 0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:07.520 that you see women face. 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:10.880 So a lot of women, to the exact point, don't 0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:14.320 back themselves and they don't put themselves forward for things 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:17.160 that they would probably be really good at until they 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:18.520 think they're perfect at. 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:21.000 It, unlike men who will happily apply for a job 0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:23.799 that they are completely unqualified for. It's something like eighty 0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:26.120 percent of men apply for jobs they're not qualified for, 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:28.759 like twenty percent of women do because we wait until well, 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:31.279 it's in this imposter syndrome that we all face. It's 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:33.040 not thinking we're good enough. They're never going to give 0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:35.520 us that job. If I just do one more course, 0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:37.240 if I just get a little bit more experience, whereas 0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:39.000 a man's like, fuck, I'll do it. I've never studied 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:40.920 that in my life, but yeah, sure, give me a payrise, 0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:41.879 let me take this job. 0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:43.200 Where do you think that comes from. 0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:47.120 It's extraordinary, isn't it. I've made many highs over the 0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:50.080 course of the last ten years and seeing resumes that 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:52.080 come through to me and people who apply for jobs, 0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:56.120 and I would absolutely say that that statistic is right 0:52:56.239 --> 0:52:59.359 because the amount of incredibly highly qualified, I would say, 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.040 overqualified women who apply versus some of the men that 0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:04.759 would apply who have not met any of the criteria. 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:07.400 He's like, I'm a gardener that I would love to 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:08.360 come into this industry. 0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:11.160 You know, there's that statistic. It's probably about two years 0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:13.200 old now, but I highly doubt it's changed very much. 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:17.080 That if you're a CEO in Australia, you're forty percent 0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:20.520 more likely to be named John or Peter than you 0:53:20.560 --> 0:53:21.520 are to be a woman. 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:26.920 That's oh my god, that is wild. I'm changing my name. 0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:29.840 I deeply relate to this, and this is like a 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:32.040 bit of a personal anecdote. Like I've worked in retail 0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:35.080 for fifteen years now, I've run Tony May for ten years. 0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:37.560 I cannot tell you the amount of men who have 0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:40.040 had no experience in retail who like to sit me 0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:42.239 down when I go out for dinner or whatever and 0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:45.560 drool me on my business but also give their advice 0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:48.520 on how I should run my retail business. And blows 0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:51.040 my fucking mind because sometimes I'm there, like, but what 0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:55.520 is your experience? Like They'll say, Oh, you need to 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:58.200 get your manufacturing done, you need to get this outsourcing done, 0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:00.040 you should be housing it in these ways, And I'm. 0:53:59.880 --> 0:54:02.760 Like, what are you talking about? You know nothing. 0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:05.239 And I know that we're being quite generalized in this 0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:06.880 in saying this, and I know that we're making some 0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:07.760 sweeping stereotime. 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:10.080 There are some great men out there, But I. 0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:12.480 Do reinforce what you said that women truly don't back 0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:14.680 themselves in this industry, and it takes a lot of 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:17.120 time to feel like we are experts. I don't feel 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:18.880 like I'm an expert in my industry, even though I've 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:20.440 worked in it for fifteen years. 0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:23.640 We do have imposter syndrome, and that that is across genders, 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:26.640 that all genders have imposter syndrome, but women are particularly 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:29.160 vulnerable to it in thinking that they must have all 0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:31.160 their ducks in a row, have all of the information 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:34.040 ready to go, be prepared, get it all ready, then 0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:36.440 make the leap. And I don't think you can have 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:40.520 everything ready to go, particularly not in today's world. We're 0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:43.000 moving in such a fast paced world that you need 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:45.720 to sometimes, Yes, you do need to have a certain 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:48.560 amount of preparation done, and you don't want to be 0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:50.880 walking into an industry where you have no idea what 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:53.719 you're doing. But you do need to just take that 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:56.239 leap of faith. One of the early things that I learned, 0:54:56.239 --> 0:54:58.840 which is in the book too, is just about nobody 0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:01.520 really knows what they're doing. You don't realize that until 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:04.520 you're in the ranks and you're in working with people 0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:07.120 that people really don't know what they're doing. We're off 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:08.160 so true. 0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:11.080 What are some tactical steps that someone who really feels 0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:13.040 like they don't back themselves in the industry, what can 0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:15.719 they do not just like improve their self worth, but 0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:17.439 like go out there and ask for a pay rise, 0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:19.840 or go out there and do some very actionable things 0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:21.600 to be better in their workplace. 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:24.440 Yeah, there's a few things. So one is about mentors. 0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:29.080 So find somebody in your industry or your organization who's 0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:32.080 gone before you, who's generous with their time and is 0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:34.640 happy to have a chat to you. It's all about 0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:36.800 seeking information. So you've got to be a little researcher. 0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:39.120 You've got to be a scientist. You've got to work 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:41.200 out again what you do know and what you don't know, 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:44.799 so find out in every industry, or let's just say 0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:48.279 you're working in a big organization, that organization has its 0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:51.960 own company values and it has its priorities, so it 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:55.200 has things that it values. And when you are studying 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:59.080 a organization, you want to find out what's so valuable, 0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:01.959 like what is the sea and the executive leadership team 0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:04.919 or value? Is it just revenue? Are they just trying 0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:07.000 to make as many sales as possible? Do they want 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:10.279 the most creative ideas? Do they want people who are 0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:13.160 really good connectors and can bring the team together, Like 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:15.200 what is it that people value? And if you're like 0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:17.200 I have no idea, like where to start, just ask 0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:20.080 your boss. And if your boss doesn't know, ask their boss. 0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:22.359 If you want to pay rise, don't just ask your boss. 0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:23.719 How do I ask you for a pay rise? 0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:26.640 You need to see actutely not but it's so sorry 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:29.279 n fs exactly, don't just say under the guys, i'd 0:56:29.280 --> 0:56:30.920 like to pay rise, So I'd like to know what's 0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:32.080 valuable to you so. 0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:33.759 That I can put it in a piece of paper 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:34.959 and write center back to you. 0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:39.279 So instead you'd be saying I want to do the 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:42.400 best possible job that I can for this organization, and 0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:45.399 I really want to know what this organization values, and 0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:47.520 like the top line, the big bird's eye view, like 0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:50.759 what is everybody here trying to achieve? So that I 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:53.560 can then do that in my job. And then once 0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:56.319 you know that, you can start making sure that you 0:56:56.360 --> 0:57:00.960 are hitting every KPI in your world. That builds towards 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:03.440 that as well. So that's very like, that's a very 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:05.440 top line thing that you can do. But if you're 0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:07.280 looking for a pay rise, if you're looking for a promotion, 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:09.880 then once you've done the research on the company to 0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:12.880 kind of understand what's going on. Most companies will have 0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:16.640 reviews or promotion times, some only doing them annually. In 0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:19.080 a dream world, you'd be doing them quarterly. Find out 0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:21.320 when they are, find out what the deal is. Absolutely 0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:24.320 everyone is different. Speak to hr, find out what happens. 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:27.320 Then do your preparation for it. So work out all 0:57:27.360 --> 0:57:30.040 of the things that you've done to contribute to that organization. 0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:33.240 So think of it be your own pr Basically, go Okay, 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.439 what are all the amazing things that I've done, Who 0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:37.640 did I come into contact with, what big deals did 0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:39.960 I do? Or if that's too high level, it might 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.600 just be simply, was I doing my job really really 0:57:42.600 --> 0:57:45.440 well every day for the last however long you've been 0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:48.320 working there, and what did I contribute to that was 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:51.600 really important and valuable to the company. So do your preparation. 0:57:52.040 --> 0:57:55.200 Then practice talking about that and put it into succinct 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.600 language that is easy to talk through, because you want 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:00.960 to be able to explain that you've done that without 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:04.240 coming across sounding like you're a crazy narcissist who's just 0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:07.560 really interested in yourself. So practice creating a bit of 0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:10.480 a script about what you know is important to the company, 0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:12.880 and say, you know, I've been working at this company 0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:17.600 for three years now, and I've really realized that Obviously, 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:21.680 generating sales is really important, making sure that we're always 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:23.920 hitting our sales targets is important, but I also know 0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:26.800 that's really important to be bringing in new business. So 0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:29.280 over the last three years, here's how I've done that, 0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:32.920 and here's what I'd like to do in the future 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:36.080 to try to build that even more and take this 0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:39.240 company into an even better position. In order to do that, 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:41.880 I'd really like to apply for a pay rise, and 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:43.840 I'd like to talk to you about that. And it's 0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:46.400 as simple as that. So getting that out, you do 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:48.240 need to of course know, like if you if your 0:58:48.280 --> 0:58:50.280 company and organization has just been through a pandemic and 0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:53.920 your industry was really badly hit and half the company 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:56.680 and there's no pay rises for a while, obviously pick 0:58:56.720 --> 0:58:59.600 your moments, like it might be that company isn't going 0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:02.320 to be in a position to However, you never know 0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:05.360 until you put your hand up. So again, while talking 0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:08.480 through how your empathy, like you have empathy for the company, 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:11.360 you know what the company's been through, talking through all 0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:14.520 of the values that they have and how you've contributed 0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:17.560 to them, and then just really simply ask do you 0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:20.800 know if there will be any scope for promotions or 0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:22.320 pay rises in the near future. 0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:25.600 And I think it's important to note that this doesn't 0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:28.560 just affect women, Like not that long ago, I helped 0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:31.680 a male friend get a pay rise. He didn't know 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:33.720 how hard to approach it, he didn't know if he 0:59:33.720 --> 0:59:36.600 should approach it. And I think it's just about having 0:59:36.600 --> 0:59:39.480 a level of confidence and knowing that you're capable and 0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:40.240 knowing your worth. 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:43.800 Yeah, know your value. Oh that's not on everyone's like 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:47.760 billboards above their homes. When I say, no, your value, 0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:50.360 your value or your personal value has nothing to do 0:59:50.440 --> 0:59:52.560 with your work. Your personal value has everything to do 0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:54.400 with who you are as a human being and in 0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:58.200 your place in the world. But knowing your financial value 0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:01.240 in a workplace is really import and again it comes 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:04.640 back to knowing how the work that you're doing is 1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:08.000 contributing to the overall success of the organization that you're 1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:11.520 wanting to get the promotion for. So if you can 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:15.120 really easily demonstrate that the things that you've been doing 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:18.480 at your work have contributed to the financial success of 1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:21.960 your company, then that is on you. Thank like, well done, 1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:24.480 that's on you. So you should be shouting that out 1:00:24.520 --> 1:00:25.080 loud and prown. 1:00:25.280 --> 1:00:27.240 One of the things, as like a business owner is 1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:29.840 just preparation. Go in there, armed with the details, go 1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:32.200 in there saying like, here it is, I've written it out, 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:35.440 here's what I've achieved. Here are my successes in the company. 1:00:35.720 --> 1:00:38.520 I think that that speaks volumes and walking into these 1:00:38.600 --> 1:00:40.560 discussions where you're asking for a pay rise or you're 1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:43.280 asking for a promotion. Really kind of I'm not saying 1:00:43.320 --> 1:00:44.960 go and put together a PowerPoint. You could if you 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:46.560 wanted to, but like, hey, why not go hard to 1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:49.840 go home? Yeah, Like putting together almost like a little 1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:53.040 bit of a debate as to why you deserve that 1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:55.680 really goes a long way as well, because there might 1:00:55.760 --> 1:00:58.440 be things or there might be an overall, you know, 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:01.160 success that the business has had. But you would hope 1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:03.840 that your manager is across how you've contributed to it. 1:01:04.040 --> 1:01:06.400 But often they're so busy worrying about their own job 1:01:06.440 --> 1:01:07.920 that they're not completely. 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:08.440 Across what you've done. 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:10.080 So it's really great to be able to go out 1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:12.240 there and just once again explain and lay it all 1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:13.840 out and be like, this is how hard I've worked 1:01:13.840 --> 1:01:16.800 this year, this is what I've achieved. I find that 1:01:16.840 --> 1:01:19.000 the creative industry can be a tricky one for a 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:21.600 lot of people, and I think it's also I don't think, 1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:24.080 I know, it's a hugely undervalued skill set for a 1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:25.560 lot of women. You know, we do a lot of 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:28.120 things for free, for example, whether it be people who 1:01:28.160 --> 1:01:30.160 are graphic designers who go out there and do free 1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:34.200 logos or photographers who do time for prints. Like I 1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:38.400 think our services in a creative industry can be incredibly undervalued. 1:01:38.560 --> 1:01:39.160 What would you. 1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:42.440 Say to somebody who is in that initial startup period 1:01:42.480 --> 1:01:44.560 who is like trying Okay, how do I get my 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:47.560 work out there? Maybe doing too much for free or 1:01:47.640 --> 1:01:50.840 giving away too much of themselves. How can someone build 1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:54.000 value around their business and really build respect around what 1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:54.880 their product is? 1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:58.000 Setting boundaries straight up to know what it is you're 1:01:58.040 --> 1:02:00.480 prepared to be paid for what you're prepared to be 1:02:01.160 --> 1:02:04.080 It can be quite dangerous from an early stage if 1:02:04.160 --> 1:02:07.880 you start working for free, because the expectation then is 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:10.920 that it will always be free. A really great example 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:13.280 of this on a global scale is when all of 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:16.680 the new sites used to give away free content. 1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:19.120 I'm still dirty that you have to pay subscriptions. 1:02:19.440 --> 1:02:19.640 I know. 1:02:19.760 --> 1:02:21.440 Every time I go on the Daily Telegraph, I'm like, 1:02:21.520 --> 1:02:23.840 damn it, I'm not finding that article. I'll find it 1:02:23.920 --> 1:02:26.280 on Daily Mail for free someone or repost it. 1:02:26.560 --> 1:02:27.000 True. 1:02:27.040 --> 1:02:29.959 So the challenges that they now have to make people 1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:31.920 pay for their content when it used to be free 1:02:32.080 --> 1:02:35.520 is very very hard. So I would be very mindful 1:02:35.880 --> 1:02:40.640 of not doing things for free when you can when 1:02:40.680 --> 1:02:44.000 you are starting out now. That can be very challenging. 1:02:44.040 --> 1:02:46.600 Don't get me wrong, it can be very hard interning. Like, 1:02:46.800 --> 1:02:49.200 for example, anybody who ever works for us, they're always 1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:52.600 paid positions. We've never ever had unpaid interns, for example, 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:56.080 So we always make sure that if you are doing 1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:58.360 a job, you get paid for it in some way, 1:02:58.400 --> 1:03:00.439 shape or form. The best thing you can be doing 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:02.640 is just finding out what the going rate is supposed 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:05.480 to be for that industry. So just do some googling. 1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:07.680 Just you can jump on and find out go to 1:03:07.760 --> 1:03:11.320 seek or career one. They can tell you the average 1:03:11.400 --> 1:03:14.680 rate of pay for that particular work that you're doing, 1:03:15.040 --> 1:03:17.760 and then if you wanted to, you know, reduce that 1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:19.720 rate a bit because you knew that's fine. You can 1:03:19.760 --> 1:03:22.440 always start lower and then push your rates up higher 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:24.520 as you go. That rule number one is just don't 1:03:24.520 --> 1:03:27.000 work for free. The exception to that rule is if 1:03:27.040 --> 1:03:29.480 you are literally dipping your toe in the water to 1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:31.000 try to work out if that's going to be the 1:03:31.000 --> 1:03:33.360 career for you, or you're kind of gaining some experience. 1:03:33.440 --> 1:03:35.880 So if you do have your day job and you're 1:03:35.920 --> 1:03:39.320 dipping into helping out with some events, or you're helping 1:03:39.320 --> 1:03:43.040 out launching a restaurant or something and they've asked you 1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:44.840 to help, then sure you might want to do things 1:03:44.840 --> 1:03:47.000 like that for free as you go. But as you 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:49.080 get to the point where you perhaps want to leave 1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:52.040 that business and start your own. Just don't work for free. 1:03:52.040 --> 1:03:53.520 And I was gonna say it also comes back to 1:03:53.560 --> 1:03:55.400 that overarching banner that we're going to stick in front 1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:58.080 of everyone's houses, which is no your work. I guess 1:03:58.120 --> 1:04:00.800 like for so many people, I think we value what 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:03.360 our skill set is, or we under quote on things 1:04:03.400 --> 1:04:05.440 because on one hand, you don't want to miss out 1:04:05.440 --> 1:04:07.840 on the work, but on the other hand, you like 1:04:07.880 --> 1:04:10.080 you want to be competitive against what other people are. 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:12.800 But I think for so many of us, asking for money, 1:04:12.920 --> 1:04:15.920 you know, setting your prices can be something that's so challenging, 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:18.680 and it also feels a little bit debilitating to send 1:04:18.720 --> 1:04:22.120 out an invoice under your own name and be like, ook, 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:24.400 that's it, Like, you know, and what are they going 1:04:24.480 --> 1:04:24.960 to think of that? 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:26.480 Like, what are they going to think of this quote? 1:04:26.640 --> 1:04:28.880 If you're starting a new business, and you're also if 1:04:28.880 --> 1:04:31.040 you're the jack of all trades, you're the person who 1:04:31.040 --> 1:04:32.959 does the accounts, you're the person who does the pr 1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:36.280 the branding, everything. I think a really clever little tactic 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:39.240 is to create a new email address with a different 1:04:39.240 --> 1:04:42.040 person's name, and that's the person that sends out quotes. 1:04:42.040 --> 1:04:44.560 That's the person that sends out invoices, and that way 1:04:44.760 --> 1:04:47.360 you aren't being the person who's asking for money. So 1:04:47.480 --> 1:04:50.160 maybe you have Sally from accounts and Sally from Accounts 1:04:50.240 --> 1:04:51.960 is the one that deals with all the money, and 1:04:52.000 --> 1:04:54.200 that way there's a little bit of separation there, especially 1:04:54.240 --> 1:04:56.560 if that's something that you struggle with or that it 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:58.800 gives you a bit of anxiety or makes you feel like, oh, 1:04:58.840 --> 1:05:01.840 maybe I'm maybe I'm as for too much. Spoiler, Sally 1:05:01.960 --> 1:05:04.720 is you. 1:05:04.000 --> 1:05:05.880 Nobody needs to know that. 1:05:06.080 --> 1:05:07.760 I think I'm gonna have to change my account name 1:05:07.800 --> 1:05:10.600 nol Or. I think a prime example of this of 1:05:10.720 --> 1:05:12.200 having a level of sometimes you. 1:05:12.240 --> 1:05:13.680 Might offer a service for free. 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:17.120 Really good example is when we got producer Keisha on board. 1:05:17.160 --> 1:05:20.600 We didn't search for producer Keisha produce a Keisha slid 1:05:20.640 --> 1:05:22.960 into our DM and she's done this mind you, but 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:24.960 she read your book and it left a big impact 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:25.240 on her. 1:05:25.520 --> 1:05:27.880 She wrote your book. She slid into our emails and 1:05:27.960 --> 1:05:30.320 she just said, this is my experience. 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:32.520 I love your podcast. She said all the right things. 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:37.120 Can I edit something for you for free? This is 1:05:37.160 --> 1:05:39.200 her saying I don't want any money, but it's just 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:41.280 trying to prove her worth prove her skill set. Can 1:05:41.320 --> 1:05:42.680 I edit some one or two. 1:05:42.560 --> 1:05:43.440 Weeks for you for free? 1:05:43.560 --> 1:05:44.880 You can get my vibe, you can see if you 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:47.680 like me, and then we can talk. And we said, absolutely, 1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:49.720 you can do that, but we will pay you for it, 1:05:49.760 --> 1:05:52.400 because I guess coming from a creative industry too, we 1:05:52.480 --> 1:05:55.240 knew that we could have absolutely in that sense, we 1:05:55.280 --> 1:05:57.000 could have said, yeah, let's see what she's got, like 1:05:57.000 --> 1:05:58.440 why not, and we could have not paid her. And 1:05:58.480 --> 1:06:01.080 I think that that is a prime of when maybe 1:06:01.120 --> 1:06:03.200 you can get away with it because she's approached us. 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:07.200 But we value people's work, and after being in your 1:06:07.240 --> 1:06:09.919 own business, you realize that, well, they're at nighttime, taking 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:11.600 their own time, they're putting their own effort in, they're 1:06:11.640 --> 1:06:12.600 doing their own skill set. 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:14.680 They're very experienced. So in that sense, we paid her. 1:06:14.720 --> 1:06:16.240 But I think that's a really good example of if 1:06:16.280 --> 1:06:17.600 you're trying to get the foot in the door. 1:06:17.840 --> 1:06:18.840 Kisha got a job from that. 1:06:19.160 --> 1:06:21.760 She took a risk, she jumped in out of nowhere. 1:06:21.800 --> 1:06:23.680 There wasn't a position at that time going well, there 1:06:23.680 --> 1:06:25.960 pretty much was, but we hadn't advertised that yet. It 1:06:26.000 --> 1:06:29.600 was just divine timing, divine intervention. But it's a prime example, 1:06:29.680 --> 1:06:31.800 she got a job from saying, hey, you know what 1:06:32.160 --> 1:06:33.560 I want this, I'm going to go and try and 1:06:33.600 --> 1:06:34.280 get it myself. 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:37.200 And she was very clever in the way that she 1:06:37.320 --> 1:06:39.320 also kind of gave a time limit on it. She 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:41.280 didn't say I'm going to work for you for free forever. 1:06:41.480 --> 1:06:43.440 She was like, this is a sample of my work, 1:06:43.600 --> 1:06:45.400 you know, let me come and do some work for 1:06:45.480 --> 1:06:47.400 you for a little while. So it's a bit like 1:06:47.560 --> 1:06:49.560 dipping your toe in the water to say, look, I'd 1:06:49.600 --> 1:06:51.280 like to try and work on an event to see 1:06:51.280 --> 1:06:52.960 if I can prove my worth and show what I do. 1:06:53.160 --> 1:06:54.880 And that's a great idea because the event is a 1:06:54.960 --> 1:06:56.440 one off. You're not saying I'm going to do all 1:06:56.480 --> 1:06:58.640 your events for the next year for free. So that 1:06:58.720 --> 1:07:00.800 was a really great way that she did that, and 1:07:00.840 --> 1:07:03.520 she did it with heart. She did it in a 1:07:03.560 --> 1:07:07.200 personalized way, so she would have talked about everything she 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:09.680 loves about you guys when you would have read it. 1:07:09.680 --> 1:07:11.160 I have no idea what she actually wrote, but I'm 1:07:11.200 --> 1:07:13.800 sure that everything that she had in there showed that 1:07:13.840 --> 1:07:16.320 she understood who you were, what you stood for, what 1:07:16.360 --> 1:07:17.000 you valued. 1:07:17.080 --> 1:07:18.880 She got the brief, she understood the brief. 1:07:19.360 --> 1:07:21.160 Well, I think that that then ties into this whole 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:24.240 idea around personal brand. She totally understood the brief and 1:07:24.320 --> 1:07:26.920 when she came and approached us, she obviously took a 1:07:26.920 --> 1:07:28.400 few nuggets from the podcast. 1:07:28.120 --> 1:07:28.800 And different things. 1:07:28.800 --> 1:07:31.120 But can you talk to me a little bit around 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:34.160 what is a personal brand? How important is a personal brand, 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:36.480 and how do we cultivate one. There's a few questions there. 1:07:37.240 --> 1:07:39.280 How do you change a personal brand too? If you 1:07:39.360 --> 1:07:40.880 had something for a while and you're like, it's not 1:07:40.920 --> 1:07:42.200 my vibe anymore. 1:07:42.960 --> 1:07:46.360 That's a great question. So your personal brand is how 1:07:46.400 --> 1:07:50.360 you showcase yourself to the world, and in a professional setting, 1:07:50.400 --> 1:07:53.040 it's obviously how you showcase yourself in a in a 1:07:53.080 --> 1:07:56.960 work environment. So a brand itself is some total of 1:07:57.000 --> 1:07:59.920 what you value and what you prioritize and then how 1:07:59.920 --> 1:08:02.640 you showed that out to the world. So keep in 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:04.800 mind that every day of our lives we're on show. 1:08:04.960 --> 1:08:07.680 So our audience every day are our colleagues, our bosses, 1:08:07.760 --> 1:08:12.560 our clients, our customers, any other suppliers. Stakeholders are family, 1:08:12.600 --> 1:08:15.720 our friends, We a lot of audiences. And then online obviously, 1:08:15.720 --> 1:08:17.719 if you have a social media presence or an online 1:08:17.760 --> 1:08:21.240 web presence, then that's people who are going to those 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:24.479 sites are obviously your audience as well. So when you 1:08:24.840 --> 1:08:28.559 are looking to decide what your personal professional brand should be, 1:08:29.200 --> 1:08:31.759 it all comes back to your values. So you decide 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:34.680 what your values and your priorities are, your list of 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:38.559 ten things, and that's how you operate, and every decision 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:41.600 that you make, every email that you send, every conversation 1:08:41.720 --> 1:08:44.640 that you have, every report that you file needs to 1:08:44.680 --> 1:08:47.439 be in line with who you've decided to be. And 1:08:47.479 --> 1:08:49.880 if that's somebody who strives for excellence, if that's somebody 1:08:49.920 --> 1:08:52.600 who strives to be successful, if that's somebody who strives 1:08:52.720 --> 1:08:55.080 to create some wealth, then it would have all of 1:08:55.120 --> 1:08:59.880 those things in mind. People also want reliability and consistency 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:03.320 over time. It's a bit like building a brick wall, 1:09:03.520 --> 1:09:06.080 Like every little action that you take is another brick 1:09:06.120 --> 1:09:08.479 in that wall, and over time and over the course 1:09:08.479 --> 1:09:10.600 of your career, that wall gets higher and higher and 1:09:10.640 --> 1:09:15.559 stronger and stronger. And so it's consistently conveying your values 1:09:15.640 --> 1:09:18.200 to the world through the work that you do. Well. 1:09:18.240 --> 1:09:20.080 It doesn't matter who you are these days, it doesn't 1:09:20.080 --> 1:09:22.759 matter if you have a public profile or not. Everyone 1:09:23.000 --> 1:09:25.200 to a level If you have an Instagram, you have 1:09:25.439 --> 1:09:26.920 a profile and. 1:09:26.720 --> 1:09:29.680 Your brand, whether you want to admit it or not. 1:09:30.320 --> 1:09:32.960 Every time you go for a job, and what's highly 1:09:33.120 --> 1:09:36.240 likely your potential employer is going to look at your Instagram. 1:09:36.640 --> 1:09:38.880 Our Instagram's now and it's a crazy world. 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:41.639 It's a CV, whether you make it or not, whether 1:09:41.680 --> 1:09:44.040 it's intentional or not, it's a CV. Someone's going to 1:09:44.080 --> 1:09:45.439 go and say, let me get a feel of who 1:09:45.479 --> 1:09:47.320 this person is, to see if they're going to fit, 1:09:47.520 --> 1:09:50.719 to see if they're right, to see if their public 1:09:50.760 --> 1:09:53.040 reflection is going to reflect our brand. And that is 1:09:53.080 --> 1:09:55.040 something you need to be super conscious of. So maybe 1:09:55.080 --> 1:09:58.200 if you are, you can be so bloody good at 1:09:58.240 --> 1:10:00.799 your job and you could be a wild party animal 1:10:00.840 --> 1:10:05.120 on the weekends. Maybe you put your Instagram on private 1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:07.120 when you go for a job, and it shouldn't have 1:10:07.160 --> 1:10:09.160 to be like that, But this is the world we 1:10:09.240 --> 1:10:11.040 live in. It's a fact your employee is going to 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:13.160 have a look at who you are, and it's unfair, 1:10:13.640 --> 1:10:14.639 but people can. 1:10:14.680 --> 1:10:18.040 And will judge you before they know you. It's literally 1:10:18.200 --> 1:10:19.160 just the world we live in. 1:10:19.280 --> 1:10:19.600 I know it. 1:10:19.640 --> 1:10:21.080 And like you think, when you say that, it's like 1:10:21.080 --> 1:10:23.400 we shouldn't be discriminated against for being the people that 1:10:23.439 --> 1:10:26.720 we are. That's all true, But at the same time, like, 1:10:26.760 --> 1:10:28.720 for example, if I was going to hire a babysitter 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:30.200 and then I could see that they're getting mounted on 1:10:30.240 --> 1:10:30.960 a Saturday night. 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:33.080 Not the babysitter. I want, you know, one that's at 1:10:33.080 --> 1:10:35.599 home reading the book. Yes you will. If you're posting 1:10:35.640 --> 1:10:36.400 photos of you with. 1:10:36.439 --> 1:10:38.639 Sally Hepworth, that's the person I'm going to hire. 1:10:38.800 --> 1:10:40.080 I'm hiring Sally Hepworth. 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:44.960 Actually she was a bit wild man maybe, but sex clubs. 1:10:45.880 --> 1:10:49.320 But also in this idea of personal brand, how can 1:10:49.360 --> 1:10:52.679 we cultivate a personal brand? If somebody hasn't really thought 1:10:52.720 --> 1:10:54.720 about it, If they've got their Instagram and they're like, 1:10:54.960 --> 1:10:57.479 how do I create or curate a personal brand? 1:10:57.479 --> 1:10:58.320 Where can they start? 1:10:58.680 --> 1:11:00.720 So if you're doing it on your social media and 1:11:00.960 --> 1:11:04.400 the things that you care about are let's just use 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:08.240 an example of somebody who wanted to be a teacher. 1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:10.799 So imagine that you really wanted to become a teacher, 1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:14.720 and so you are deciding to put something on your 1:11:14.800 --> 1:11:17.880 social media, whether it's your Instagram, your LinkedIn, your Twitter, 1:11:17.920 --> 1:11:19.920 your Facebook, keep in mind to you don't need to 1:11:20.120 --> 1:11:23.559 use all of those platforms. So the best way if 1:11:23.600 --> 1:11:27.200 you're using your social media for your career, it's choose 1:11:27.240 --> 1:11:30.639 the social media platform where your audience is. And your 1:11:30.640 --> 1:11:33.240 audience are your bosses or your clients or your customers, 1:11:33.240 --> 1:11:36.400 so work out where they are and then decide which 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:39.400 platform you need to be on. So, for example, I 1:11:39.479 --> 1:11:42.120 have a lot of sort of C suite level execs 1:11:42.160 --> 1:11:45.639 who are in their fifties and sixties, so I'm often 1:11:45.680 --> 1:11:49.000 on LinkedIn and Facebook with them. Well, so they are 1:11:49.000 --> 1:11:51.519 not watching me on TikTok, So it's kind of just 1:11:51.600 --> 1:11:54.519 choosing what platforms you need to be on. You don't 1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:56.639 need to be on every platform, and you don't even 1:11:56.640 --> 1:12:00.240 need to be posting all the time unless what you're 1:12:00.240 --> 1:12:03.160 trying to do is convey your creativity. Like if you're 1:12:03.160 --> 1:12:06.360 a graphic designer, using Instagram is the perfect way to 1:12:06.400 --> 1:12:08.200 actually show off what you can do because it's the 1:12:08.240 --> 1:12:11.599 visual medium. So work out which platforms right for you first, 1:12:11.880 --> 1:12:14.000 then decide what it is that's important to you. So 1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:19.040 if you're that teacher, obviously liking children's probably important, Liking education, 1:12:19.360 --> 1:12:23.920 likeing research, liking books, liking any kind of learning teaching, 1:12:24.320 --> 1:12:26.800 it might be something about the environment. So whatever it is, 1:12:26.800 --> 1:12:29.880 it's authentic to you, though, you don't want to manufacture 1:12:29.960 --> 1:12:33.800 some fake persona that's not who you actually are. 1:12:33.880 --> 1:12:35.360 Well, the's a prime example. I don't know if you 1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:35.920 guys saw this. 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:38.320 It was only in the last probably month, but there 1:12:38.360 --> 1:12:40.120 was a girl, Oh I think she was from I 1:12:40.120 --> 1:12:41.880 don't know if she might be in the UK or America, 1:12:41.920 --> 1:12:44.080 but she waked for an airline. She had quite a 1:12:44.120 --> 1:12:46.880 big platform on TikTok. You know that you're nodding back. 1:12:46.960 --> 1:12:49.000 She had a big platform TikTok and part of her 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:52.920 TikTok was sort of outing secrets of the airline and 1:12:53.000 --> 1:12:55.439 it was quite innocent and quite funny. She had a 1:12:55.479 --> 1:12:57.760 big audience. Anyway, the airline got wind of it and 1:12:57.760 --> 1:12:59.920 they sacked her. So I just think, and I don't 1:12:59.920 --> 1:13:01.400 know what happened with that. I know she fought that 1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:03.040 and got a job back. I'm pretty sure she didn't. 1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:07.040 But the idea is you are a reflection of your workplace, 1:13:07.160 --> 1:13:09.240 and these things are going to creep up and there 1:13:09.280 --> 1:13:10.760 are going to be issues. If you want to be 1:13:10.760 --> 1:13:13.559 a teacher and you post a photo that says fucking 1:13:13.600 --> 1:13:15.240 hate kids, I've never baby sit on my niece and NEPVW. 1:13:15.280 --> 1:13:16.639 Again, you're probably not going to get the job. 1:13:16.880 --> 1:13:20.400 Yeah, and even at every department has a HR department 1:13:20.479 --> 1:13:22.679 that has every company has a social media policy. 1:13:23.040 --> 1:13:26.200 So I'll go and speak time. We are HR, we 1:13:26.280 --> 1:13:27.360 are everything that's. 1:13:27.280 --> 1:13:31.000 Great, and everybody has a social media policy. Find out 1:13:31.080 --> 1:13:32.960 what it is. Do you research. It comes back to 1:13:33.000 --> 1:13:36.240 being prepared. So find out what the social media policy is. 1:13:36.680 --> 1:13:39.360 And then, for example, if you're at your work, if 1:13:39.400 --> 1:13:42.000 you're in an environment where they love you posting on 1:13:42.000 --> 1:13:44.160 social media and talking about what the company's up to, 1:13:44.840 --> 1:13:46.760 just double check before you post things to make sure 1:13:46.760 --> 1:13:49.280 that you're not posting something that's confidential or you're not 1:13:49.320 --> 1:13:51.639 supposed to be posting about yet like that airline. 1:13:51.720 --> 1:13:52.920 Well, I guess at the end of the day, it 1:13:52.960 --> 1:13:54.200 was a confidentiality breach. 1:13:54.280 --> 1:13:55.360 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1:13:55.479 --> 1:13:57.600 But I also thinking this, it's interesting when you said, like, 1:13:57.640 --> 1:13:59.240 you know, you don't need to be posting every day. 1:13:59.479 --> 1:14:02.320 I think if you haven't considered this idea that social 1:14:02.320 --> 1:14:04.559 media can be a tool for employment, that it can 1:14:04.640 --> 1:14:06.960 be a vehicle to actually help progress your career. And 1:14:07.000 --> 1:14:09.920 I don't just mean like having a work Instagram, because 1:14:09.960 --> 1:14:11.400 a lot of people will have, like you know, a 1:14:11.439 --> 1:14:15.280 brand Instagram or something else, but having consistency across both. 1:14:15.400 --> 1:14:18.000 I think something that I have definitely seen and I 1:14:18.320 --> 1:14:22.639 like happen is somebody having a brand Instagram and they're 1:14:22.800 --> 1:14:25.799 polished and perfect on their brand Instagram, but then writing 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:28.479 nasty comments with their personal Instagram or just being a 1:14:28.479 --> 1:14:31.519 different version. It's like you don't get to separate the two. 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:33.080 That is you, that. 1:14:33.160 --> 1:14:35.639 All ties into your personal brand. And oh I saw 1:14:35.640 --> 1:14:37.599 it recently actually on Abby Chatfield. It was a woman 1:14:37.600 --> 1:14:40.559 who was a psychologist and she wrote her Instagram as 1:14:40.560 --> 1:14:44.040 a psychologist was great, but then she'd written a really negative, 1:14:44.120 --> 1:14:47.360 quite body shaming comment and it had all been linked 1:14:47.400 --> 1:14:49.439 back and then she was outed for it on Insta 1:14:49.520 --> 1:14:51.960 And it's like that all ties into your brand, that 1:14:52.120 --> 1:14:54.120 is who you are on social media. Well, now if 1:14:54.160 --> 1:14:55.800 someone saw that, they're like, well, I'm probably not going 1:14:55.840 --> 1:14:57.080 to go to you as a psychologist. 1:14:57.120 --> 1:14:58.080 No, and that stuff. 1:14:58.120 --> 1:15:01.080 The problem with the Internet is that it's it's not 1:15:01.160 --> 1:15:03.280 just a once off. It's not something that you said 1:15:03.320 --> 1:15:06.080 to a friend that has a lifespan that goes beyond 1:15:06.080 --> 1:15:09.040 one comment. So I think that that's where we be careful. 1:15:08.800 --> 1:15:09.479 Never wipe it. 1:15:09.640 --> 1:15:12.000 You see all these people that accidentally post something online 1:15:12.040 --> 1:15:15.120 for two seconds, just takes that one person to screen 1:15:15.160 --> 1:15:17.200 grab it, and then it's on there for eternity. 1:15:17.400 --> 1:15:20.599 Consider doing a social media audit as well, because we've 1:15:20.640 --> 1:15:23.160 all now been posting on social media for a very 1:15:23.200 --> 1:15:25.680 long time. And if you were to go back all 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:28.880 through your tweets or your posts, are you sure what's 1:15:29.000 --> 1:15:31.680 back from five years ago or ten years ago is 1:15:31.840 --> 1:15:34.840 something that you would be happy to say and happy 1:15:34.840 --> 1:15:37.400 to have out there about you now. Certainly, I've seen 1:15:37.439 --> 1:15:42.080 situations with clients where they've had hires who somebody has 1:15:42.200 --> 1:15:45.400 found out something that they've tweeted, and it was years ago, 1:15:45.520 --> 1:15:47.559 and they would have been very young when they did it, 1:15:47.880 --> 1:15:51.240 but it was quite racist and they were sacked immediately 1:15:51.320 --> 1:15:54.240 for it, and that person didn't even know it was there, 1:15:54.320 --> 1:15:56.360 like they've forgotten about it. And don't get me wrong, 1:15:56.439 --> 1:15:58.719 they should never have posted it. But also times change, 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:01.240 like back then it was border like, probably still was 1:16:01.280 --> 1:16:03.559 never right in the moment, but it certainly wasn't as 1:16:03.600 --> 1:16:06.000 bad as it is now, probably more acceptable at the 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:08.360 time if they felt like they could post it. 1:16:08.479 --> 1:16:10.160 We've seen it play out in the media we've seen 1:16:10.160 --> 1:16:12.519 it play out with media personalities that the stuff that 1:16:12.560 --> 1:16:15.639 you say five ten years ago it still matters. And yes, 1:16:15.720 --> 1:16:19.400 people change, absolutely, but in that same essence, like that 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:22.439 stuff it gets recorded, the internet knows, and that shit 1:16:22.479 --> 1:16:23.680 can come back and bite you in the art. 1:16:23.760 --> 1:16:25.559 I remember when we went on The Bachelor. I did that. 1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:29.040 I went through my feet, and not because there's anything 1:16:29.160 --> 1:16:31.080 like in terms of racism or things like that. 1:16:31.160 --> 1:16:32.360 There are a lot of drunk food. 1:16:32.200 --> 1:16:33.840 But they do tell you they're like, look, if there's 1:16:33.880 --> 1:16:36.960 anything that you don't want to be plasted everywhere, go 1:16:37.000 --> 1:16:38.599 and have a look. So I just thought, I wonder 1:16:38.600 --> 1:16:40.639 what there is And it wasn't too bad. 1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:41.320 It was me. 1:16:41.400 --> 1:16:43.599 It was more just like awkward photos or things like that, 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:46.719 or ex boyfriends that maybe I don't want them brought 1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:48.720 back into it. So I did that, and I'm sure 1:16:48.760 --> 1:16:50.840 everyone that's gone on any sort of show like that 1:16:51.120 --> 1:16:52.960 has done that. And I think that's a really, really 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:54.920 great tip for anyone going for a new employment. 1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:56.320 Have a quick look. It's you see me. 1:16:56.600 --> 1:16:59.000 People who are hiring at the moment want to make 1:16:59.040 --> 1:17:02.080 the right decision. Hiring somebody as an expensive exercise for 1:17:02.120 --> 1:17:04.280 any organization and they want to make sure they're hiring 1:17:04.360 --> 1:17:07.479 the right person, and they will absolutely do their research. 1:17:07.600 --> 1:17:08.960 So they're going back to twenty ten. 1:17:09.080 --> 1:17:10.920 They are truly they're going to MySpace. 1:17:12.360 --> 1:17:14.439 Back in the day, you would post a whole photo 1:17:14.479 --> 1:17:16.720 album from going out and getting drunk on a Saturday night, 1:17:17.040 --> 1:17:18.760 and then that was what I did. I went back 1:17:18.800 --> 1:17:21.240 and I was like, I was so drunk, and I 1:17:21.280 --> 1:17:24.920 thought that that album, Hey, fun Saturday night whatever the 1:17:25.040 --> 1:17:25.879 album title. 1:17:25.760 --> 1:17:28.519 Was, drunk being pushed down the street. It's a good 1:17:28.560 --> 1:17:31.800 idea to post on the internet. What was the thinking time. 1:17:32.640 --> 1:17:34.680 Some of it is fun, and look, you will be 1:17:34.920 --> 1:17:37.000 there will certainly be organizations. Like if I'm looking at 1:17:37.000 --> 1:17:40.280 somebody's socials, I look at it with a fairly like 1:17:40.439 --> 1:17:42.559 generous lens where I'm like, oh, well, you know they 1:17:42.600 --> 1:17:44.640 were nineteen, Well how much fun they were having? Do 1:17:44.680 --> 1:17:47.599 you know what looks like you had fun? That's great exactly. 1:17:48.000 --> 1:17:51.360 So I do think that with social media and the 1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:54.600 evolution of it, people are now probably going, well, it 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:56.439 was a moment in time and that's not who they 1:17:56.479 --> 1:17:59.479 are now. But you know, if you're looking back a 1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:03.200 year and seeing posts that are not on brand with 1:18:03.400 --> 1:18:06.120 the company, that you're about to be representing or to 1:18:06.200 --> 1:18:09.000 your point as well, about like that psychologist who posted 1:18:09.000 --> 1:18:13.080 something awful like, I've definitely not made highers based on 1:18:13.120 --> 1:18:16.080 some of the passive aggressive behavior that I've seen people 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:18.400 happy to do and some people do. Oh no, if 1:18:18.400 --> 1:18:20.200 that's not who I am professionally, that's just in my 1:18:20.240 --> 1:18:23.120 personal life. I do not subscribe to that same girlfriend, 1:18:23.200 --> 1:18:25.160 same thing. Like it's who you are in your personal 1:18:25.200 --> 1:18:27.040 life is who you are in your professional life. It 1:18:27.120 --> 1:18:28.320 is not jacqual and Hyde. 1:18:28.320 --> 1:18:31.000 We're lucky that like our professional life is our personal life. 1:18:31.640 --> 1:18:33.479 You guys know all our deep, dark and dirty secret. 1:18:33.560 --> 1:18:34.920 You know you know what you're gonna get. 1:18:34.920 --> 1:18:36.880 But Beck, You've got your book right in front of you, 1:18:36.920 --> 1:18:39.559 and I can see you have a multitude of post 1:18:39.600 --> 1:18:42.240 it notes poking out left run center. I just want 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:44.080 to ask you, obviously you've thought the things that stand 1:18:44.080 --> 1:18:45.360 out for you or the things that people are going 1:18:45.360 --> 1:18:48.320 to get the most benefit from. Can you just tell us, 1:18:48.439 --> 1:18:50.240 as I guess a bit of a wrap up, what 1:18:50.280 --> 1:18:51.960 are the main points that you would want to drive 1:18:52.000 --> 1:18:53.760 across or what are the things that people come to 1:18:53.800 --> 1:18:54.840 you the most for. 1:18:55.200 --> 1:18:57.920 So the most is Okay, this is a few things, 1:18:57.960 --> 1:18:59.760 so sorry if they're a bit scattered. This won't be 1:18:59.880 --> 1:19:03.280 very linear, it'll be more imagine this l like a brainstorm. 1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:06.920 But all right. So the main take homes that probably 1:19:07.080 --> 1:19:10.840 underpin everything that you've got. This was about is to 1:19:11.040 --> 1:19:13.559 know what you stand for. In order to stand out, 1:19:13.640 --> 1:19:15.200 you need to know what you stand for. So know 1:19:15.240 --> 1:19:18.160 what your values are and then work out what your 1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:21.040 passions are. Ask yourself that question, if I had all 1:19:21.080 --> 1:19:23.040 the money in the world, what is it that I'd 1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:27.320 be doing? And if you can work towards that, then great. 1:19:27.600 --> 1:19:30.200 It might take time. In fact, it will take time. 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:34.040 These overnight successes that we see all the time a 1:19:34.280 --> 1:19:37.920 minority are such a minority, it's insane. And people do 1:19:38.000 --> 1:19:41.160 think overnight success, but they don't see the hard yards 1:19:41.200 --> 1:19:43.599 that you've been doing for years beforehand. They don't see 1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:45.840 all of that work that happens behind the scenes. If 1:19:45.840 --> 1:19:48.040 you are going to start a business, prepare to work 1:19:48.080 --> 1:19:50.840 harder than you've ever worked in your entire life. That 1:19:51.000 --> 1:19:53.479 is just the nature of running your own show. But 1:19:53.560 --> 1:19:55.719 on the upside, if you are starting your own business, 1:19:56.320 --> 1:19:59.600 it is I think one of the most satisfying, fulfilling 1:20:00.240 --> 1:20:02.559 things you can do. In your career because the buck 1:20:02.640 --> 1:20:05.960 does end with you, Like you're responsible for the successes, 1:20:06.000 --> 1:20:08.680 you're responsible for the failures. But you can do it. 1:20:09.200 --> 1:20:11.639 What else would I say? I think some good things 1:20:11.680 --> 1:20:14.800 are is know that if you're going to have a 1:20:14.840 --> 1:20:18.880 great career, you want it to be sustainable. So while 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:21.760 working twenty four to seven for a short period of 1:20:21.760 --> 1:20:24.920 time is very normal, particularly if you're first starting out, 1:20:25.960 --> 1:20:28.200 you can't do that forever. You can't do that as 1:20:28.240 --> 1:20:31.320 a marathon. You will burn out. So putting structures into 1:20:31.320 --> 1:20:34.439 your life, like getting enough sleep sounds boring, but it's 1:20:34.479 --> 1:20:37.639 so important. Like most of us, Laura, I love each other, 1:20:38.120 --> 1:20:42.400 like I have two children two years, you really have. 1:20:42.479 --> 1:20:44.519 You're in the trenches right now, like when you've got 1:20:44.600 --> 1:20:48.600 young kids. That is the hardest, hardest time of anyone's 1:20:48.680 --> 1:20:53.719 career ever and life. And it comes down to sleeping 1:20:53.760 --> 1:20:55.840 when you can, taking a nap when you can, and 1:20:55.880 --> 1:20:59.479 knowing that these days will pass and this you shall pass. 1:20:59.520 --> 1:21:02.160 That's a that's important cot in sleep, but trying to 1:21:02.400 --> 1:21:07.000 prioritize sleep, prioritize healthy lifestyles, doing some kind of fitness 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:08.640 or movement. It doesn't have to be hard. Go for 1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:11.639 a walk, get outside, get some sunlight, eat healthy food, 1:21:11.760 --> 1:21:14.519 Eat regularly. It's so easy to just kind of forget 1:21:14.520 --> 1:21:16.599 to eat when you're working really hard, and then suddenly 1:21:16.640 --> 1:21:18.599 you get to nighttime and you kind of eat everything 1:21:18.640 --> 1:21:21.559 in the fridge at once. Really try to schedule and 1:21:21.560 --> 1:21:24.439 put it in your diary. Schedule in breakfast, lunch, dinner, 1:21:24.800 --> 1:21:27.439 put it in. It seems really boring to have these 1:21:27.720 --> 1:21:31.080 structures in place, but they are what you absolutely need 1:21:31.080 --> 1:21:34.000 to do to create great work. There is this amazing 1:21:34.400 --> 1:21:38.040 quote by a French novelist called Gustave Flobur, and he 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:41.200 said the name isn't it amazing to paraphrase because the 1:21:41.200 --> 1:21:43.799 translation is a bit strange, But he said, be orderly 1:21:43.960 --> 1:21:46.120 and calm in your life so that you may be 1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:49.439 fierce and original in your work. And the idea is 1:21:49.439 --> 1:21:53.639 that you create these great frameworks of looking after yourself, 1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:56.280 having a healthy body and a healthy mind in order 1:21:56.320 --> 1:21:59.680 to do really creative, interesting, fascinating work that makes a 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:00.599 different in the world. 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:01.880 Well, we're even trying. 1:22:01.920 --> 1:22:03.559 Like something we're trying to do here at Life Uncut 1:22:03.600 --> 1:22:07.400 with all three of us employees is because, for example, 1:22:07.800 --> 1:22:09.559 Laura will be the first person to say I don't 1:22:09.600 --> 1:22:11.759 even know when the last time you did any actual exercise, 1:22:11.760 --> 1:22:12.840 because you don't have any time. 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:15.200 But we would no, but not out me. No, no. 1:22:15.240 --> 1:22:17.439 But I'm saying part of what we want to do 1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:20.960 now is in our workday, isn't our walk. We want 1:22:21.000 --> 1:22:23.559 to start the Monday work day within our walk. And 1:22:23.640 --> 1:22:25.439 maybe we are talking on that walk like it's still 1:22:25.439 --> 1:22:27.600 a meeting, it's whatever, But we're going to put that 1:22:27.680 --> 1:22:29.360 in because I think it's really important for what you 1:22:29.360 --> 1:22:32.000 said to trying some semblance of balance. 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:35.160 So what would be your advice for people that are. 1:22:35.080 --> 1:22:39.599 Getting I guess discouraged from failure or because it is 1:22:39.640 --> 1:22:40.880 there's a time where you want to throw it in 1:22:40.960 --> 1:22:42.280 the bin and you're like, I can't do it anymore, 1:22:42.320 --> 1:22:43.200 like I'm not going to make it. 1:22:43.439 --> 1:22:48.120 Making mistakes is a very normal part of running any 1:22:48.240 --> 1:22:51.080 kind of business, having a career where a human will 1:22:51.120 --> 1:22:54.439 always make mistakes. And one of the markers of a 1:22:54.479 --> 1:22:58.679 really successful person isn't somebody who never fails. It's somebody 1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:01.360 who makes mistakes, learns from them, and gets over them 1:23:01.400 --> 1:23:04.160 as quickly as possible, something that a lot of people like, 1:23:04.160 --> 1:23:06.120 if you've made a terrible mistake or you've had to 1:23:06.160 --> 1:23:08.960 fail and you're feeling discouraged. A lot of people end 1:23:08.960 --> 1:23:11.960 it there. They go, well, one, I can't do it, obviously, 1:23:11.960 --> 1:23:14.240 I can't do it, so that's it. Or they go 1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:18.080 that was awful, and I've lost money and I've lost time, 1:23:18.160 --> 1:23:19.799 and I've lost friends or whatever. 1:23:20.120 --> 1:23:22.120 Sanity is exactly. 1:23:21.680 --> 1:23:25.160 I'm losing my mind. And that can be really scary 1:23:25.200 --> 1:23:26.960 and it gives you a lot of anxiety. But if 1:23:27.000 --> 1:23:30.840 you can put that aside for a moment and decide again, 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:33.280 it's very boring, But we come back to our values. 1:23:33.960 --> 1:23:36.200 If that thing that you want to do is in 1:23:36.240 --> 1:23:39.320 your values and your passions, if that's in there, you're 1:23:39.360 --> 1:23:41.160 just going to have to get back up again and 1:23:41.240 --> 1:23:43.120 do it again. The one thing you've got to do 1:23:43.240 --> 1:23:45.719 is learn from your mistake. So this is where again 1:23:45.760 --> 1:23:47.880 you come back and you be a research scientist and 1:23:47.920 --> 1:23:50.439 you do an analysis of what happened and what went wrong, 1:23:50.960 --> 1:23:53.200 and that can take time. You've got to really sit 1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:56.519 down and go, Okay, well, what was the scenario, why 1:23:56.560 --> 1:23:58.960 didn't it work? What could I do next time to 1:23:59.040 --> 1:24:01.719 make it work? Is it worth me doing it again? 1:24:02.040 --> 1:24:04.080 Do I go down that route? So you've really got 1:24:04.120 --> 1:24:06.080 to just decide whether or not you're going to do 1:24:06.120 --> 1:24:08.000 that again. But you've got to make the mistake, do 1:24:08.040 --> 1:24:10.360 the research to find out why, find out how to 1:24:10.400 --> 1:24:12.240 not do it that way again, and then just get 1:24:12.320 --> 1:24:13.400 back up and do it again. 1:24:13.520 --> 1:24:15.600 Beck, thank you so much for coming on today. 1:24:15.880 --> 1:24:19.200 You've got this is your book for anybody that needs 1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:21.280 a little bit of help going in the right direction, 1:24:21.360 --> 1:24:23.559 figuring out what they want, finding out how to get 1:24:23.600 --> 1:24:26.719 that pay rise. It's an absolutely brilliant book. Producer Keisha 1:24:26.960 --> 1:24:30.360 swears by it. They got her a job, so it's 1:24:30.400 --> 1:24:32.840 done something for someone. Beck, thank you so much for 1:24:32.880 --> 1:24:34.519 coming and giving us some time today and being a 1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:35.160 part of the pod. 1:24:35.439 --> 1:24:37.599 Thank you Britt and Laura, and honestly, hearing that about 1:24:37.680 --> 1:24:40.600 keisha're like, that's why you write a book. When you 1:24:40.760 --> 1:24:44.160 have somebody whose life has actually been made better because 1:24:44.200 --> 1:24:47.360 of something that you've written and shared, that's why people write. 1:24:47.760 --> 1:24:51.480 So just to finish me, one question. You've seen us online, 1:24:51.600 --> 1:24:53.320 you've heard us, name's seen us in person? 1:24:53.479 --> 1:24:54.679 How's our personal brand? 1:24:58.200 --> 1:25:00.920 You two are so on brand us. 1:25:04.400 --> 1:25:06.320 All right, guys, You know that we never finished an 1:25:06.320 --> 1:25:09.040 episode without our suck and our sweet, our highlight and 1:25:09.080 --> 1:25:11.840 our low light of each and every week. I think 1:25:11.840 --> 1:25:13.799 you guys already know what my highlight was. But anyway, Brittany, 1:25:13.800 --> 1:25:16.080 what was your highlight? Was the sex or the weaken 1:25:16.160 --> 1:25:18.439 away by yourself, or the bottle of wine or it 1:25:18.479 --> 1:25:19.280 wasn't a bottle. 1:25:19.000 --> 1:25:21.000 Of wine, it was literally a glass of wine. Just FYI, 1:25:21.160 --> 1:25:22.559 I'll tell you in a second. You can go first. 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:23.840 What was your suck? Start with that. 1:25:24.360 --> 1:25:26.719 My suck this week is I guess it's in preparation 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:27.679 for next week. 1:25:27.880 --> 1:25:29.040 I'm moving house next week. 1:25:29.120 --> 1:25:31.479 You're preparing for something to suck in your life. I'm preparing, 1:25:31.640 --> 1:25:34.320 like the suckers started. No moving sucks, and I've started 1:25:34.360 --> 1:25:35.759 to just go through a lot of my stuff. 1:25:35.800 --> 1:25:37.680 And I only have a one bedroom in a sun room. 1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:41.360 But it is surprising how much stuff you accumulate, Isn't 1:25:41.400 --> 1:25:41.840 it wild? 1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:44.000 How much shit that you just put into cupboards And 1:25:44.000 --> 1:25:45.320 then when I really. 1:25:45.120 --> 1:25:47.320 Have cupboards, so I'm like, where is this stuff. 1:25:47.080 --> 1:25:48.800 When you do a cleanup. If you listened to last 1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:51.040 week's episode, you'll already know this. But basically britt and 1:25:51.080 --> 1:25:53.479 I are both moving on the same day. We're doing 1:25:53.479 --> 1:25:56.679 a bit of like house shuffling. BRIT's moving into my apartment. 1:25:56.800 --> 1:25:59.600 I'm moving into a new house, and I did the 1:25:59.640 --> 1:26:01.680 cleanup of like our top cupboards, Like one of them 1:26:01.720 --> 1:26:02.840 was our medicine cabinet. 1:26:03.120 --> 1:26:05.919 There is literally pills in there, like vitamins. 1:26:05.960 --> 1:26:09.599 It's nineteen ninety seven that have been off for four years, 1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:11.600 sunscreen that's been out of date for two years. I 1:26:11.640 --> 1:26:13.680 just did this big. I find it, do you know what? 1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:15.880 I find it very cathartic to do a cleanup like this. 1:26:16.000 --> 1:26:18.559 I feel good about it. It's my sweet. Actually it's 1:26:18.680 --> 1:26:20.400 not my sweet. Okay, what's this sweet? 1:26:20.400 --> 1:26:20.559 Man? 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:25.360 My sweet is that my new co host on radio, 1:26:25.479 --> 1:26:27.720 Mitch Churry. This is gonna be the shout out. I 1:26:27.760 --> 1:26:30.320 got a knock on my door. Oh it must have 1:26:30.320 --> 1:26:32.280 been Monday night. I'd been messaging him and I said 1:26:32.320 --> 1:26:34.840 I was feeling really flat and really down and out. 1:26:34.840 --> 1:26:35.280 And that's it. 1:26:35.360 --> 1:26:37.360 He was live on air when we were talking. He 1:26:37.439 --> 1:26:39.000 was like messaging me between his breaks, and then I 1:26:39.000 --> 1:26:40.640 got a knock on the door and I got like 1:26:40.640 --> 1:26:43.720 a Leita tub of Anita's ice cream, like the most 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:46.479 delicious ice cream that I love sent to my door, 1:26:46.720 --> 1:26:47.479 love from Mitch. 1:26:47.520 --> 1:26:48.519 So that was just so cute. 1:26:48.520 --> 1:26:49.600 He was live on air, and he's like, do you 1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:51.320 know how hard it is to order a new berresse 1:26:51.360 --> 1:26:52.240 while you're live on air? 1:26:52.560 --> 1:26:54.240 So that was definitely my sweet getting a tub of 1:26:54.320 --> 1:26:55.400 ice cream sent to my door. 1:26:55.479 --> 1:26:57.240 If you guys have listened to the radio show, which 1:26:57.240 --> 1:26:59.840 we put up on our podcast feed, it's in the 1:27:00.840 --> 1:27:03.120 Mitch is our co host on the Saturday morning show, 1:27:03.160 --> 1:27:06.120 and he's an absolute fucking angel and we love him. 1:27:06.600 --> 1:27:08.320 And I think he's trying to buy my lass that 1:27:08.360 --> 1:27:10.200 I didn't get any ice cream, but okay, well we 1:27:10.240 --> 1:27:14.200 can talk about that the other day. Down I'm sad, too, 1:27:14.280 --> 1:27:17.879 Brittany to anyone listening, I'm sad. This is my address, 1:27:18.040 --> 1:27:20.880 send me ice cream. My suck for the week, do 1:27:20.960 --> 1:27:23.360 you know what like, Apart from like working a lot, 1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:25.559 which is not a suck, like it's I feel like 1:27:25.720 --> 1:27:28.120 very accomplished that I've managed to get through so much stuff. 1:27:28.360 --> 1:27:30.040 My suck was just like I couldn't spend my weekend 1:27:30.040 --> 1:27:33.360 with the girls, like I really it sounds silly, but 1:27:33.439 --> 1:27:35.479 even just having two days away from them, I really 1:27:35.520 --> 1:27:39.120 really miss them. And when I got home, Morley was like, Mommy, 1:27:39.160 --> 1:27:40.920 where'd you go? You go to do the works, and 1:27:40.960 --> 1:27:41.920 I was like, yeah, to. 1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:45.400 Do the work just down the road. Mummy hasn't five 1:27:45.479 --> 1:27:47.640 hundred meters down the road. No, No, I just I 1:27:47.720 --> 1:27:50.000 love the age they both. I love spending time with them. 1:27:50.040 --> 1:27:52.080 I can't believe Lola is almost one, Like, I just 1:27:52.120 --> 1:27:55.040 feel like time is going so quickly. So I genuinely 1:27:55.080 --> 1:27:58.040 felt like I've missed spending quality time with the kids 1:27:58.080 --> 1:28:00.720 in the past week. So that's my sock and my 1:28:01.200 --> 1:28:05.000 suite for the week is that I'm moving fucking. 1:28:04.760 --> 1:28:09.360 House and Lola old what was that voice? I don't 1:28:09.360 --> 1:28:10.439 even know, but I can't tell you. 1:28:10.520 --> 1:28:13.840 Honestly, guys, Lola has been sleeping in a hallway, Like 1:28:13.880 --> 1:28:16.320 I know, we joke about it, but I'm not actually joking. 1:28:16.400 --> 1:28:19.200 Like she has slept in a hallway for her entire life. 1:28:19.200 --> 1:28:21.679 She has slept in a portercot for her entire life. 1:28:22.000 --> 1:28:24.000 And now we're finally moving to a house that has 1:28:24.120 --> 1:28:26.920 three bedrooms, we're gonna have a backyard, Like it's just 1:28:27.360 --> 1:28:30.439 everything that we have wanted to have as a little 1:28:30.439 --> 1:28:33.680 family of four, and like it's happening on Friday, So 1:28:33.680 --> 1:28:35.479 I'm super excited. I wanted to be noted that I've 1:28:35.479 --> 1:28:37.880 been telling Laura she needs to move for about eighteen months, 1:28:37.880 --> 1:28:39.160 but I'm glad you finally got there. 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:40.200 Do you know what it is? Though? 1:28:40.240 --> 1:28:42.920 And I've realized this, I'm like, I'm weirdly a creature 1:28:42.920 --> 1:28:45.519 of habit As much as I like to do new things, 1:28:45.560 --> 1:28:47.600 I don't really like change when it comes to my 1:28:47.880 --> 1:28:49.439 space and when it comes to my routine. 1:28:49.479 --> 1:28:52.559 I really stopped your cafes the places you wore. I know. 1:28:52.680 --> 1:28:53.960 I felt the same when I was going to move 1:28:54.000 --> 1:28:55.560 to I didn't want to move suburbs because I was like, 1:28:55.600 --> 1:28:57.400 but this is what I do every morning, and this 1:28:57.439 --> 1:28:59.840 is where I go totally, and it's almost like it's 1:29:00.000 --> 1:29:02.479 it's just a safety thing and a familiarity thing. And 1:29:02.760 --> 1:29:04.680 I think also like the apartment that we live in now, 1:29:04.680 --> 1:29:06.760 even though it's just a rental, it's not something I've 1:29:06.800 --> 1:29:09.479 never felt an attachment to a home before. But like 1:29:09.640 --> 1:29:11.560 we brought both of our babies. 1:29:11.200 --> 1:29:12.840 Into the world in that apartment, you know, like we 1:29:12.920 --> 1:29:15.960 have so there. I had sex in that apartment. Now 1:29:15.960 --> 1:29:19.080 I've got to move in there far out, but I 1:29:19.160 --> 1:29:19.559 have so. 1:29:19.640 --> 1:29:23.000 Many really beautiful memories of starting a family in that apartment, 1:29:23.040 --> 1:29:24.559 and so I feel a lot more attached to it 1:29:24.600 --> 1:29:27.120 than what I think I normally ever have and so yeah, 1:29:27.120 --> 1:29:30.559 it's been a big thing to kind of reconcile. But 1:29:30.600 --> 1:29:32.800 I'm really really excited about this week. So Friday we 1:29:32.840 --> 1:29:35.400 are moving house, British moving house. It's all happening. 1:29:35.800 --> 1:29:37.160 And that is it from us. Guys. 1:29:37.439 --> 1:29:40.280 If you have loved the episode, please jump on to 1:29:40.400 --> 1:29:43.160 Apple Podcasts. You can also do it on Spotify now. 1:29:43.600 --> 1:29:46.040 The cheeky kids at Spotify have finally caught up. 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