Speaker 1: Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life.
Speaker 2: I'm Pout, I'm Laura, and I'm Brittany.
Speaker 1: God, it takes us a while to get these start
Speaker 1: of these episodes going.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we've been here for what forty five minutes? Do
Speaker 2: you reckon?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But we just talk a lot of smack for a while.
Speaker 1: We tried to start it, but then Britt hit the
Speaker 1: camera and you know what, here we are, how are
Speaker 1: you being? I just hit the camera and we started again,
Speaker 1: and I said, let's leave it in there and talk
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 1: You said no, no, no, we won't and then straight
Speaker 1: away you've thrown me under the bus.
Speaker 2: I panicked. I panicked. It's always better when it's your idea.
Speaker 2: It's like we're in a relationship. You have to like
Speaker 2: that's what you do in a relationship.
Speaker 1: You like you slowly massage the other person, who guess
Speaker 1: the other person into.
Speaker 2: Them thinking that it's their idea. That was my idea.
Speaker 1: Oh anyway, guys, it is Tuesday, we are here. We
Speaker 1: have a great little episode for you today. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna tell you about it yet. I'm not gonna tell
Speaker 1: you about it yet. I'm gonna keep your hook line
Speaker 1: in sincer.
Speaker 2: But Laura, you sort of went away this weekend.
Speaker 1: What a suspenseful beginning of an episode that was you're
Speaker 1: listening to it, but I won't tell you. Hangtight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look I did. I went away this weekend. Except I
Speaker 1: didn't go away this weekend.
Speaker 2: We went down the road. This is the weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: And I didn't post this on my socials because I
Speaker 1: was so worried that like Daily Mail would pick this
Speaker 1: up and run a story and say that, like Matt
Speaker 1: Night had a big fight and I'd gone to stay
Speaker 1: somewhere else. So I booked a hotel about five hundred
Speaker 1: meters from my house, literally down the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, down the road. I was cutting laps past it,
Speaker 2: like waving up into the window.
Speaker 1: I booked it, and I booked it Friday night and
Speaker 1: Saturday night, and I stayed there. I checked in at
Speaker 1: five pm on Friday and I just went there to work.
Speaker 1: I worked all weekend because we've got some very exciting
Speaker 1: things in the pipeline, but it's very difficult to get
Speaker 1: work done when you got two kids, and everything had
Speaker 1: been mounting, and Matt pretty much was just like I'm
Speaker 1: going to book you into a hotel so you can
Speaker 1: get some work done.
Speaker 2: The question is did you get any work done? I did?
Speaker 1: Were you just like we'll having bubble buss, I'm ordering uberrites,
Speaker 1: I'm in bednaked, just masturbating for two days. I am
Speaker 1: masturbating for two days, and I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: It is call at research.
Speaker 1: You know how difficult it was to not crack open
Speaker 1: a bottle of wine from the minibar. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: the amount of self control I had to exercise. Well,
Speaker 1: there's literally a.
Speaker 2: Bottle shop downstairs.
Speaker 1: Are you telling me you did not have one wine
Speaker 1: when you had two nights alone in a hotel. May
Speaker 1: have had a cheeky wine, of course, just one a
Speaker 1: chiky bottle, But I genuinely, I genuinely went away. I
Speaker 1: went away to work. We weren't having a fight. There's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong. I went home for like two hours each
Speaker 1: day just to like give Matt a little break from
Speaker 1: the kids. And then I went back to the hotel
Speaker 1: and I worked.
Speaker 2: So it was successful. Yeah, and for like multiple reasons.
Speaker 1: Also, just like having two days break from Matt really
Speaker 1: reignited some things that had been dormant for a little while,
Speaker 1: Like what our sex life. So you had sex, you
Speaker 1: had great sex, you went away for two nights, You've
Speaker 1: got some work done, you had a bottleline, you came
Speaker 1: back and had great sex.
Speaker 2: The girl is back.
Speaker 1: So on in all, it was a successful weekend for you. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, got some work done, got lucky.
Speaker 2: Do you know what? It was a sex cessful weekend?
Speaker 2: Your girl is back? Absolutely fire. Okay.
Speaker 1: I do have a question for you though. All right,
Speaker 1: this is a great segue. Is this something that I
Speaker 1: know that I'm prepared for? Are you just going to
Speaker 1: throw this out there?
Speaker 2: No, it's something that happened to me on the weekend.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I need to get your take on
Speaker 1: it because I'm not sure if I went too far.
Speaker 2: Okay, to help me?
Speaker 1: Want to so once again the suspense, Brittany, So, how
Speaker 1: many is too many?
Speaker 2: This is what I want to ask you. How many
Speaker 2: is too many? Okay?
Speaker 1: When you ask the question how many is too many?
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that we're talking about sexual partners. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you would think that, but we're not. Okay, on the weekend,
Speaker 1: produce Akeisha as you guys. Laura Is said, guys, we
Speaker 1: have something really signing. Come up and we're working non
Speaker 1: stop to bring it to you once again. The suspenseid God,
Speaker 1: this is the worst suspensable episode.
Speaker 2: You don't like. It's four minutes in and they've learnt nothing.
Speaker 2: Everything is coming at the end of the world is coming,
Speaker 2: but we won't tell you. Went no. So we're in homeworking.
Speaker 1: Producer Keisha sent me a text message, Hey, Britte, just
Speaker 1: heading up to Woolly's.
Speaker 2: Can I get you anything? I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I'd be amazing. I was like, what did you want?
Speaker 1: Can you just get me a few avocados? I'm like,
Speaker 1: can you just get me two avocados? And she was
Speaker 1: like yeah, no worries, and I was like, amazing, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much.
Speaker 2: And then a few seconds went.
Speaker 1: Past and I was like, actually, do you mind just
Speaker 1: getting me some tomatoes and some salad stuff as well?
Speaker 1: And I had all this of salad stuff and she's
Speaker 1: like sure anyway. It just it just kept continuing. I
Speaker 1: ended up with thirty five items. I sent her a
Speaker 1: whole shop.
Speaker 2: Why did you know what I mean, like frosted, She's
Speaker 2: not your pa. I didn't mean to, but she offered,
Speaker 2: and then I just kept rolling. Then I kept thinking
Speaker 2: of what I needed now. I ended up.
Speaker 1: Sending producer Gisha an entire shopping list, and then I
Speaker 1: wrote to her. I was like, I just realized, what
Speaker 1: the fuck I just sent you? I've sent your whole
Speaker 1: shopping list. I was like, do you regret asking me now?
Speaker 1: I think because produce a Guisa is employed by us.
Speaker 2: And I pay her bills. She very politely said, no,
Speaker 2: it's fine.
Speaker 1: She got me like thirty five to forty. She got
Speaker 1: me a whole grocery shop, a whole shop. I know
Speaker 1: that Woolies does shopping online. You can do that yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was really in the moment. But that's my question,
Speaker 1: is like, how many is too many? When someone says
Speaker 1: to you, So, even if it's your partner, Matt, if
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, I'm just ducking up to the store,
Speaker 1: can I get you something? I think it's different. If
Speaker 1: it's your partner, you can ask for a full shop.
Speaker 1: If it's your employee, like what.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: If it's your employee and they offer to pick something
Speaker 1: up from Woolies for you, you say no, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: You actually don't accept anything. Is actually went to the
Speaker 1: point of going and taking photos of stuff and googling
Speaker 1: the stuff.
Speaker 2: I wanted the photos and I send her the photos
Speaker 2: and it was.
Speaker 1: Like, these are the chicken tenders that I love because
Speaker 1: you want to specific brand names. Brittany, what has happened
Speaker 1: to you? I said to a monster.
Speaker 2: I was a monster. And then when I realized, I
Speaker 2: didn't realize in the moment, I was like shooting off
Speaker 2: what I needed.
Speaker 1: And then when I looked back at the list, I
Speaker 1: was mortified and I said to I'm so sorry that,
Speaker 1: don't actually worry. She's like, it's fine, Like I just
Speaker 1: need to put another forty minutes onto my shop. Wait, okay,
Speaker 1: now I just need to know did you actually make
Speaker 1: producer Kesha go and do your grocery shopping?
Speaker 2: Did she do it? She did it? Yes, correact fucking
Speaker 2: and she dropped them off to me. It was like,
Speaker 2: very wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just shocked, as everybody who's listening to this
Speaker 1: in their car or wherever you're listening to this right now, Brittany.
Speaker 2: I know I'm not proud of it.
Speaker 1: It's not my finest moment, but the situation happened, and
Speaker 1: I rolled with it, and I felt really guilty after
Speaker 1: I just really rolled with someone offering to do something
Speaker 1: for me. It's been a little.
Speaker 2: While, it's been a hot second. I was like, this
Speaker 2: is the best feeling in the world. I'm just going
Speaker 2: to own it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, and on Wednesday night, Keisha's giving me a
Speaker 1: back massage. I feel like my saving grace in this situation, though,
Speaker 1: is the fact that and I mean Kesha should be
Speaker 1: thinking me really, because when she got to the store,
Speaker 1: she didn't know what she wanted for her own shop,
Speaker 1: so she duplicated exactly that the my shopping li She
Speaker 1: just duplicated it, and we ate the same thing for
Speaker 1: the week because she's like, I can't think of what
Speaker 1: I want.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get everything Britney got, and I read
Speaker 2: the same thing. I disagree.
Speaker 1: I think she's I think she did it for time
Speaker 1: management because she'd already spent the entire time that she'd
Speaker 1: allocated for her own shopping doing yours.
Speaker 2: So she was like, well, I better just double this orner.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I do have something that I want to
Speaker 1: ask you, But before we get into that, I feel
Speaker 1: like we should tell people what they're listening to today,
Speaker 1: and that is we have interviewed an amazing woman. Her
Speaker 1: name is Beck Brown now Beck Brown is the founder
Speaker 1: and owner of the Comm's Department. She's also the author
Speaker 1: of the book You've Got This. And the reason why
Speaker 1: we wanted to do this episode is because we thought
Speaker 1: coming back into the new Year, I mean, we're still
Speaker 1: calling it the new year. It's January, it's December, and
Speaker 1: we're like this new year's New.
Speaker 2: Year twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's a very transformative time for
Speaker 1: a lot of people, Like after coming out of Christmas,
Speaker 1: after starting, you know, a fresh year, getting through January.
Speaker 1: It's a real time where people kind of assess their
Speaker 1: career and assess what they're doing with their life and
Speaker 1: want more money and want a bloody pay rise, or
Speaker 1: they want to have a promotion, or maybe they're not
Speaker 1: sure about the job that they're in. And we're seeing
Speaker 1: so much these days people leaving the sort of traditional
Speaker 1: nine to five working for somebody else to create their
Speaker 1: own small business or to go out on their own
Speaker 1: and to start their own hustle.
Speaker 2: So this conversation with Beck is all.
Speaker 1: Around how can you ask for more money, how can
Speaker 1: you ask for that pay rise, how can you ask
Speaker 1: for promotion? But also just around like how do you
Speaker 1: forge out a creative career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, also, just how you can go about living your
Speaker 2: dream And like Laurid just said, there are so many
Speaker 2: people and I've been there in the past, Laura's been
Speaker 2: there in the past. I feel like a lot of
Speaker 2: people have.
Speaker 1: There are so many people that are in their nine
Speaker 1: to five or they're in their job and it's just
Speaker 1: because A they're comfortable. B they don't know how to
Speaker 1: get out and chase their dreams, or they don't know
Speaker 1: what their dreams are. So we do talk about the
Speaker 1: steps that you can take and how to transition from
Speaker 1: doing a job you maybe don't really love and that
Speaker 1: isn't the passion and the end goal, to transitioning into
Speaker 1: starting your own business and working really hard to create
Speaker 1: something you're happier with. So I think it was a really,
Speaker 1: really great chat and I think you guys are gonna
Speaker 1: get a lot.
Speaker 2: Out of it.
Speaker 1: But before we get into that, there is one other
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to talk to you about now after
Speaker 1: my sex cssful weekend, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not the worst pound, now, is it, Laura not?
Speaker 1: I actually, very serendipitously, it was sent an email which
Speaker 1: was talking about different sex positions and I thought I
Speaker 1: stumbled across it on corn Hub. I don't know how
Speaker 1: it came across. You should see my search history and
Speaker 1: what I had to do to accidentally stumble across this article. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there has recently been an increase in the search
Speaker 1: four different types of sex positions, so three hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty five percent increase over the past week.
Speaker 2: And that is not just me.
Speaker 1: I'd like to say, across the board, across the board,
Speaker 1: across into web. Yeah, I think everyone's getting ready for
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day coming up.
Speaker 2: That is interesting.
Speaker 1: So in the past week, so what are we towards
Speaker 1: the end of jan Okay, so people are doing their
Speaker 1: due diligence.
Speaker 2: That's like three weeks out of Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: I told you January's very transformative time in the year
Speaker 1: where people are wanting to try new things, broaden their expansion,
Speaker 1: open up their minds, and also other areas of their.
Speaker 2: Body open up for their legs.
Speaker 1: I did want to talk to you about some of
Speaker 1: the most common sex positions, and I also wanted to
Speaker 1: get your take. I have a few questions for you.
Speaker 1: First up, what is your favorite sex position? Like if
Speaker 1: you had to pin down one where would what would
Speaker 1: you do? Oh? That is subjective because it depends what
Speaker 1: the purpose is and what the end goal of that is.
Speaker 1: Because there are certain positions you do for different reasons.
Speaker 1: You don't do all your positions. Well, I don't think
Speaker 1: missionary because I'm always tired.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't.
Speaker 1: Missionary is probably one of my favorites in all honesty,
Speaker 1: and it's not because it's exciting or anything.
Speaker 2: It's just because it always gets the job done, like
Speaker 2: always you can. Missionary is so reliable.
Speaker 1: It is the most reliable sex position that there is,
Speaker 1: I think, without a doubt.
Speaker 2: Is it the most exciting.
Speaker 1: No, It's also wildly underrated though. I think missionary because like,
Speaker 1: missionary is also very intimate. If you're like someone who
Speaker 1: likes to gaze into your partner's eyes, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of connection with missionary. But you also don't have to
Speaker 1: either like you can close your eyes and look over
Speaker 1: the shoulder or something like. You don't have to have
Speaker 1: that intense connection. But I would say, if I had
Speaker 1: to pick one that I could only do for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life, judge me if you will, it
Speaker 1: would be missionary.
Speaker 2: I'm zero judgment because I feel like this.
Speaker 1: Okay, this has turned into the most fucking boring sex chat,
Speaker 1: but I'm agreeing.
Speaker 2: Like missionary is, so what's your favorite missionary? Yeah, missionary?
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I've obviously tried all the others, actually
Speaker 1: not all of them, some of them here, like real,
Speaker 1: tell me what's on the list. Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 1: run you through a couple. The lotus. So the lotus
Speaker 1: is basically a lot of these are very yoga esque.
Speaker 2: As well, so you gotta be flexible, a little bit
Speaker 2: of a workout.
Speaker 1: So the lotus is when I mean, I'm going to
Speaker 1: refer to this as though it's a heterosexual couple just
Speaker 1: because like, well, that's what the pictures are that I'm
Speaker 1: looking at. But the lotus is basically when the guy
Speaker 1: sits cross legged and then the girl sits in his
Speaker 1: lap with her legs wrapped around to him. Okay, intimate, nice,
Speaker 1: but sometimes a bit hard to get, like the up
Speaker 1: and down motion, don't you that is hard to get emotion?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I just cu I've googled the position. I'm
Speaker 2: not feeling it. You're not feeling that.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll put that one down at like a seven
Speaker 1: out of ten, Like, how would you rank five?
Speaker 2: Five? Okay?
Speaker 1: The next one is the splitting Bamboo where the girl
Speaker 1: like lays on her side on the bed and then
Speaker 1: she lifts her leg up to be like at a
Speaker 1: ninety degree angle, and then the guy kind of mounts
Speaker 1: like chig he's on in. Yeah, the size, the side
Speaker 1: of the leg.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a bit like lazy sex, sort of
Speaker 2: like hump.
Speaker 1: He just humps her leg a bit nowhere not he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I just give got a picture and he's her legs
Speaker 1: over one shoulder and looks like he's like humping the leg.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's in her, but I feel like, obviously it's
Speaker 1: not a Laura two point zero where he humps the back.
Speaker 2: Of your leg.
Speaker 1: He's not having sex at the back of her leg. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like in her, but like, as the female, you
Speaker 1: don't have to do a lot in this position. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of just laying there, okay, lazy and waiting
Speaker 1: for a rating on this one. Oh, I mean, like
Speaker 1: it depends are you hungover and really tired that he's
Speaker 1: probably high on the list because you're like, get it
Speaker 1: over with. I mean, lazy sex is great, but I
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes the adventurous sex is overrated.
Speaker 3: I feel like.
Speaker 1: People need to feel like they need to be really
Speaker 1: adventurous to jazz up in the bedroom. And it's great,
Speaker 1: but I don't think anyone's getting to the finish line
Speaker 1: doing a handstand. It's almost like having shower sex is
Speaker 1: also overrated.
Speaker 2: Shower six, shower pool eddy water.
Speaker 1: It's not actually lubricating like you think it's gonna be lubricating,
Speaker 1: but if anything, it just actually makes things dry but
Speaker 1: wet at the same time. And all it's so dry,
Speaker 1: all those sexy movies that you watch growing up, I
Speaker 1: just feel like it's setting up for failure, you know,
Speaker 1: all the sexy pool scenes, fake news. Pool sex is terrible.
Speaker 1: I have another one here, and I feel like this
Speaker 1: is one. When I say lazy sex, I feel like
Speaker 1: that this is one that we can all get behind.
Speaker 1: It's when you both just lay on your side and
Speaker 1: kind of cuddle from behind like you're having a snuggle,
Speaker 1: and who does the movement then he just slips it in. Well,
Speaker 1: you both guess you both could kind of g a
Speaker 1: little bit, depends on who's the laziest. No, I feel
Speaker 1: I feel like this is my favorite after missionary into
Speaker 1: this one. I feel like, I mean that is great, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's great, hungover sexy and then and then you can
Speaker 1: just roll onto your stomach and he can roll into
Speaker 1: your backs.
Speaker 3: You do it? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, we are getting such an inside Okay, I
Speaker 1: love that this whole article. Laura's like, I swear to god,
Speaker 1: I stumbled across this sex article. But here I am
Speaker 1: having overthought every single position. Well, and then you can
Speaker 1: say you've done two sex positions in one kind of
Speaker 1: like a laying down doggy style and a side sex.
Speaker 1: So we know Laura's deep dark secrets. When she's like,
Speaker 1: we got so frisky last night. We did it like
Speaker 1: two positions, You're like, cool, you're on your side and
Speaker 1: then you rolled to your front. I want to know
Speaker 1: one more thing. What is the craziest sex position you've
Speaker 1: ever tried?
Speaker 2: I did handstand sex one? How great? How do you
Speaker 2: do hair? You've got to do like a handstand. But
Speaker 2: you did the handstand. Yes, you do that.
Speaker 1: You do the handstand and he's standing up, he goes
Speaker 1: down into you. Yeah, so you have to be so
Speaker 1: you have to be like a contortionist. It's not for
Speaker 1: the faint hard and don't try this doesn't hurt your
Speaker 1: arms after as everything, and does he hold you up.
Speaker 2: It wasn't overly successful. It wasn't overly successful. But this
Speaker 2: is my point. This is why I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying adventure sex is overrated. I think because people like
Speaker 1: to feel like they're doing all these crazy things, but
Speaker 1: it never really works, like.
Speaker 2: The really crazy stuff never works. What have you done?
Speaker 1: I feel like you like it starts like you do
Speaker 1: it for like thirty seconds and then you change to
Speaker 1: something else.
Speaker 2: At least she ticked it off the list. I was
Speaker 2: not strong enough to go for longer than thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I guess it was kind of having sex,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like penal penetration. This is so graphics. Sorry,
Speaker 1: fuck daily Mail. This is gonna happen. He picked me
Speaker 1: up and was standing up, and my legs were on
Speaker 1: huge like like I was on his shoulders and the
Speaker 1: roof whilst he was going down at me.
Speaker 2: It was a lot, Oh my god, And it was
Speaker 2: so unnecessary because I was so scared. I was gonna
Speaker 2: lay down just on the bed.
Speaker 1: When even get into it, I was like oh, and
Speaker 1: then trying to pretend like I was liking it and
Speaker 1: I wasn't. And anyway, Wow, he'd never missed a leg
Speaker 1: day that guy. I'm sorry, Dad shot out, Sorry Matt. Anyway, guys,
Speaker 1: that is it from the whole sex position chat. I'm
Speaker 1: sure beck is loving that. That's gonna be what prefaces
Speaker 1: her conversation.
Speaker 2: She wants off this podcast before.
Speaker 1: We came to beg though, we do want to bring
Speaker 1: our favorite segment accidentally unfiltered. All right, I'm going to
Speaker 1: kick it off with one that is so aptly fitting
Speaker 1: to the start of this conversation. When I first started
Speaker 1: dating my boyfriend now fiance, we did long distance for
Speaker 1: a year. One weekend he had come to visit me
Speaker 1: in Victoria at the time, I was living in my parents' place.
Speaker 1: We were in the lounge room watching a movie and
Speaker 1: things started to heat up a little bit. Both my
Speaker 1: parents were at home, so being the very respectful teenager
Speaker 1: that I was, we decided to go to the bedroom
Speaker 1: so polite. So there we were in the bedroom and
Speaker 1: the bed had a bit of a squeak to it,
Speaker 1: so we decided we would take things.
Speaker 2: To the floor.
Speaker 1: Things had progressed pretty quickly. We were so in the
Speaker 1: moment and we were making up for lost time. That's
Speaker 1: when we moved into doggie style. Just then the door
Speaker 1: squeaked open and my boyfriend turned around need pump to.
Speaker 2: Lock eyes with my dad.
Speaker 1: My whole left my body as my boyfriend asked, should
Speaker 1: we finish?
Speaker 2: Ha ha? No, No, you do not finish your bought mission.
Speaker 1: Immediately imagine asking the dad should I finish?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Should I stop? Also, what do.
Speaker 1: You do though, if your bar snaked doing doggy style
Speaker 1: looking in your dad in the eyes like, I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you do?
Speaker 2: No? You imagine if that was Matt and that was
Speaker 2: your teenage momy, No did you go there?
Speaker 1: Because I just think that dad, he's gonna lose his shit.
Speaker 2: That kid can never come back, you know what. I
Speaker 2: once walked to my mom and doggie style, and I reckon,
Speaker 2: that's just bad. That's so much worse. No, sorry, Mom,
Speaker 2: I think she listens to this podcast. It was a
Speaker 2: long time ago, A long long time should so Actually,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's better if it was a long
Speaker 2: time ago.
Speaker 1: Or recently anyway, all right, me with your accidently unfiltered Okay,
Speaker 1: this one's so unfortunate. Back in the day when snapchat
Speaker 1: was a thing. I went to send a sexy pick
Speaker 1: to a few boys that I was chatting up. Instead
Speaker 1: sending it to each of them separately, I accidentally created
Speaker 1: a group that they could all see each other snapchat
Speaker 1: names in the group.
Speaker 2: I almost had a heart attack. I sent the picture
Speaker 2: in my panic state.
Speaker 1: I couldn't work out how to delete the group, so
Speaker 1: instead I just left the group. One of the guys,
Speaker 1: She just left the group. One of the guys sent
Speaker 1: me a screenshot of the conversation saying Sophie has left
Speaker 1: the group, and to my horror, the boys continued on
Speaker 1: chatting in the group afterwards.
Speaker 2: Rip me. I die thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Sophie has created a group of all the boys she liked,
Speaker 1: sent a nude, and then panicked and left the group.
Speaker 1: Now these boys don't know each other. There is a
Speaker 1: group of six people that can see each other's names
Speaker 1: that have the same girl's nude, and then she just.
Speaker 2: Sophie leaves the group.
Speaker 1: I just like that as a mic drop, Like Sophie
Speaker 1: has left the building and the country see you later,
Speaker 1: fellas has checked out. So I like the time efficiency
Speaker 1: that she put into this. She's like, my time is precious,
Speaker 1: and I do not have enough of it to be
Speaker 1: sending you individual news. Here is one from the archives,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. It's also like the people, and there
Speaker 1: are so many online dating the people that just du
Speaker 1: a copy and paste text of people, but they forget
Speaker 1: to change the name and they just.
Speaker 2: Got before it. People do it all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: come on, guys, you need to.
Speaker 1: Put a little bit of effort in or you did
Speaker 1: it or you received it. I think it's happened on
Speaker 1: both sides of the coin. I think I did it
Speaker 1: to a guy and it's definitely happened to me. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we can all learn from each other's mistakes, can't we
Speaker 1: rap Sophie? All right, let's get into the chat with Beck. Guys,
Speaker 1: We're so excited.
Speaker 2: To have Beck on the podcast today.
Speaker 1: Beck is a PR wizard, currently the founder and managing
Speaker 1: director of the Comms Department, and she is the author
Speaker 1: of a very exceptional book called You Have Got This.
Speaker 1: It is the essential career handbook for a creative woman. Beck,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Life on Card.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Now. I didn't know Beck, but you and I have
Speaker 1: been in contact for so long without actually knowing who
Speaker 1: each other are like we I mean obviously knew who
Speaker 1: you were you knowing about when this came today, I
Speaker 1: didn't realize you'd been the person I've been emailing for
Speaker 1: so long. We've had things to do with each other
Speaker 1: in radio, in PR so many times. So it's nice
Speaker 1: to meet you in the flesh. And can I just say,
Speaker 1: you're now sitting in my house. You are getting a
Speaker 1: very behind the scenes look at how we record. I'm
Speaker 1: going to have to get you to sign a waiver,
Speaker 1: a non disclaimer where you tell no one our secrets
Speaker 1: and what really goes down here. But no, thank you
Speaker 1: for coming on board today. And I hope you know
Speaker 1: how we start our episodes.
Speaker 2: Yes, accidentally unfiltered. We want you to embarrass yourself on
Speaker 2: a national level. I love this.
Speaker 3: I've got to say I'm quite honored because I love
Speaker 3: listening to you accidentally unfiltered, So to be able to
Speaker 3: do one quite.
Speaker 2: Just cutting into the pot.
Speaker 1: It's a pot of embarrassment that everyone feels. But also
Speaker 1: it's a very humanizing way of getting to know someone
Speaker 1: like I mean, we could ask tell us about your childhood,
Speaker 1: you know, tell us about where you've been, but in said,
Speaker 1: I want to know what you've done that you wish
Speaker 1: you hadn't.
Speaker 3: I know, we've all done things, we've gone Oh no, what.
Speaker 2: Is my life?
Speaker 1: The emails we get people are in their embarrassing moment
Speaker 1: as they speak, and they're emailing us.
Speaker 2: They're like, this is happening live. I am life showing
Speaker 2: my embarrassing moment too. Well, that's great. So mine's a
Speaker 2: few years old.
Speaker 3: It was back when we could travel a bit more freely,
Speaker 3: and I was in New York on a business trip
Speaker 3: and it was a really big deal. It was my
Speaker 3: first big trip overseas to be doing business and I
Speaker 3: was going to the global headquarters of this client. And
Speaker 3: I had really really bad jet lag, which I don't
Speaker 3: usually get, but I was being careful. So I set
Speaker 3: two alarms and I laid all my clothes out the
Speaker 3: night before, and I was all organized and I woke up. Yes,
Speaker 3: I slept through both my alarms, and I had thirty
Speaker 3: minutes to get across town and be in this meeting.
Speaker 3: So thankfully for my organization. The night before, I pulled
Speaker 3: on my clothes, so I had like a really nice
Speaker 3: little high waisted pencil skirt and this silk shirt and
Speaker 3: some nice high heels and I ran out the door, thankfully,
Speaker 3: jumped in a cab and doing my hair and makeup
Speaker 3: on the way, and I got to the meeting and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, Okay, just perform, You're on,
Speaker 3: Let's do this. So I did the meeting and it
Speaker 3: went incredibly well. I finished the whole meeting and I
Speaker 3: went outside and finished it, and I thought, I'm amazing,
Speaker 3: I'm high fiving myself, I'm congratulating myself. I'm really feeling myself.
Speaker 3: And I hail a yellow cab like a true New
Speaker 3: Yorker yet again, sitting in the cab all the way
Speaker 3: back to the hotel, going I'm the best. I'm so amazing.
Speaker 3: I got out of the cab in front of this
Speaker 3: beautiful hotel that I was staying at, and it had
Speaker 3: the doormenute out the front, your people everywhere. It was
Speaker 3: like peak how there were people absolutely everywhere. And I
Speaker 3: stepped out of the cab and the cab drove off,
Speaker 3: and as I stepped out, the zip on my skirt
Speaker 3: just busted, and my skirt felt my eyes and.
Speaker 2: Like a cape, like a cape, like a big reveal.
Speaker 2: And I'm standing.
Speaker 3: On one of the busiest streets in Manhattan in my
Speaker 3: bright pink lacey string.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a city moment. It really was.
Speaker 3: And what had happened was in my haste that morning
Speaker 3: to get dress. I'd been wearing my skirt back to
Speaker 3: front all morning and it had put such a strain
Speaker 3: on my zip that it had just busted. And that
Speaker 3: idea that in New York that you know, people don't
Speaker 3: really care what happens, and you could be running down
Speaker 3: the street with your hair on fire and nobody pays
Speaker 3: any attention to you. I can tell you that is
Speaker 3: not true. Absolutely everybody turned around looked at me, smirking, snickering, laughing.
Speaker 3: It was mortified.
Speaker 1: Could you see in Okay, So my brain was trying
Speaker 1: to jump ahead that whole chat, and I was like,
Speaker 1: she's forgotten a bra, her shirt.
Speaker 2: She's like that in the middle of a chat.
Speaker 1: The reason they were like, you've got the job is
Speaker 1: because you can see a nippook. But the question is
Speaker 1: was it obvious that your skirt was backwards, Like was
Speaker 1: it something that you could have maybe gotten away with,
Speaker 1: or would they be looking at you saying, this poor thing,
Speaker 1: we'll give her the job because she doesn't know she
Speaker 1: can't rescise.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I really don't know. To trust me,
Speaker 3: I've thought of that too the entire time. But I
Speaker 3: was more relieved at the fact that my skirt hadn't
Speaker 3: just fallen off in front of the client, as opposed
Speaker 3: to all these people I didn't know, but I probably
Speaker 3: didn't mind too much.
Speaker 1: Do you know what back, I'm going to give you
Speaker 1: a little bit of like comfort in numbers here. I
Speaker 1: was once standing in the food court in David Jones
Speaker 1: in Sydney, and I had three mangoes in my hands,
Speaker 1: and I sneezed, and because I didn't have three hands,
Speaker 1: so I was holding three mangoes like nursing them between
Speaker 1: my chest and my hands, and I sneezed, and the
Speaker 1: exact same thing happened. My skirt exploded and fell down
Speaker 1: around my ankles. And I had forgotten that that even
Speaker 1: happened until now.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to one up both of you from that's.
Speaker 1: Why you came here for, guys, turned into an accidentally
Speaker 1: unfiltered competition. I was in the operator working in operating theater.
Speaker 1: I did all medical imagining in the theater in operations,
Speaker 1: and I had these scrubs on there were only extra
Speaker 1: large scrubs left. They didn't fit me, so I tied
Speaker 1: them as tired as I could. I had a lead
Speaker 1: gown on that protects through you from radiation. All the
Speaker 1: surgeons were there, there were reps there, there were nurses,
Speaker 1: scrub nurses, hot surgeons too, hot surgeons, also.
Speaker 2: Old surgeons, very old.
Speaker 1: And the lead gown that I wore dropped to the
Speaker 1: ground and it was so heavy that it pulled my
Speaker 1: pants down and my hands were full of this equipment
Speaker 1: that takes up after him. And I was standing in
Speaker 1: the operating theater making eye contact and I couldn't pull
Speaker 1: my pants up because I was in the middle of
Speaker 1: screening a live operation.
Speaker 2: So I stood there working.
Speaker 1: With my pants down and I was like, I burn
Speaker 1: your eyes everyone, there's nothing to see here. I also
Speaker 1: love that you came with a work accidentally un filter
Speaker 1: lay bake. It had to be work related. Now that
Speaker 1: the reason why we got you, and that was it.
Speaker 1: We was a wrap with that.
Speaker 3: All I can think of is how you would have
Speaker 3: made that surgeon's day like they would have been loving last.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're a bit excited, and they kept
Speaker 1: asking for me back by name, so I feel like, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll take Brittany, thank you packing much now. In fact,
Speaker 1: the reason why we wanted to get you on the
Speaker 1: podcast and to do this episode is because heading into
Speaker 1: well relatively the new year, still in January, but it's
Speaker 1: really a time of transition for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of time where we consider like what worked,
Speaker 1: what job we want to be doing, whether we're enjoying
Speaker 1: the work that we're doing, what even is life?
Speaker 2: What even?
Speaker 1: Yeah, do we want to start a business? Are we
Speaker 1: on the right track? Like you know, do we feel
Speaker 1: like we're being appreciated in our work players? There's so
Speaker 1: many facets that I think at this time of year
Speaker 1: we start to really consider around our work and Britain
Speaker 1: and I we've never done an episode solely dedicated to
Speaker 1: kind of unpacking what takes up so much of our
Speaker 1: life outside of relationships is our work relationships and our
Speaker 1: work life. And you've written an incredible book. Could you
Speaker 1: have got this? What was the original inspiration behind writing
Speaker 1: the book?
Speaker 3: There were three reasons that I wrote this book, and
Speaker 3: one was I had a lot of graduates and professionals
Speaker 3: coming to me for career advice who either were trying
Speaker 3: to get a leg up in their own industry or
Speaker 3: work out what they really wanted to do or wanted
Speaker 3: to start their own business. And so I was already
Speaker 3: compiling a lot of that information. I'm a writer, so
Speaker 3: I always liked to write a big email, and I
Speaker 3: was sending it off anyway, So I'd already started to
Speaker 3: compile all of this information. And I also the big
Speaker 3: one for me was that I personally had a really
Speaker 3: rough time navigating my own career in my late teens
Speaker 3: and early twenties, like real rough in my efforts to
Speaker 3: create a successful career. I ended up with anxiety, depression,
Speaker 3: eating disorders. It was not a great place for me.
Speaker 3: And I learned a lot through scientific journals. I learned
Speaker 3: a lot through research. I learned a lot through my
Speaker 3: own experience, good and bad, about what I should and
Speaker 3: shouldn't be doing. And I just wanted to be able
Speaker 3: to share that information and that knowledge because I wish
Speaker 3: that somebody had been able to give me a book
Speaker 3: with a whole bunch of short tips and hacks to say,
Speaker 3: if you just follow these things, your work life is
Speaker 3: going to be a lot easier, and it's going to
Speaker 3: be a lot happier as well.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting, isn't it, Because we talk about this
Speaker 1: in terms of relationships, like no one gives you a manual,
Speaker 1: and like your twenties is so fucking hard because you're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, like what is the right way
Speaker 1: to navigate these relationships? How do you kind of work
Speaker 1: your way through what's right for you, what works for you.
Speaker 1: It's such a confusing time of life, but no one
Speaker 1: really ever talks about it in a work sense, and
Speaker 1: I think that the exact same problems apply with almost
Speaker 1: less direction. There's a lot of people out there who
Speaker 1: seem to enjoy their work, but there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who truly hate Monday to Friday and they live
Speaker 1: for the weekend. And so what was it about writing
Speaker 1: this kind of like manual or handbook, Like how did
Speaker 1: you compile this information when you say you lived your twenties,
Speaker 1: what was it about your own experience in your twenties
Speaker 1: and in your workplace that you were like, no, I
Speaker 1: need to impart this knowledge.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when I was twenty five, I had what I
Speaker 3: call my quarter life crisis, where I realized that this
Speaker 3: career that i'd been working towards since I was a
Speaker 3: little girl, which at the time was to be a
Speaker 3: singer and entertainer, was not actually fulfilling me and wasn't
Speaker 3: making me happy. And I was heartbroken because I'd worked
Speaker 3: on this since I was like ten years old. I'd
Speaker 3: been having singing and dancing lessons the entire time, and
Speaker 3: I'd studied at the Conservatorium and studied music and it
Speaker 3: was absolutely my life. And I was traveling overseas doing that,
Speaker 3: doing the job. I was performing in musicals and on
Speaker 3: stage in jazz bands, and I loved it, but the
Speaker 3: lifestyle was grueling. So this was right before smartphones and
Speaker 3: social media really took off, so I was really quite
Speaker 3: isolated from my family and friends. I'm also quite a
Speaker 3: day person, so for somebody who's having to work at
Speaker 3: night all the time, it actually probably wasn't a great
Speaker 3: thing for me to be doing. And I was under
Speaker 3: scrutiny all the time. And these days, life on the
Speaker 3: stage is a little bit easier. There's a lot more diversity,
Speaker 3: there's a lot more care for talent. But back then,
Speaker 3: if you weren't a certain size and a certain look,
Speaker 3: you were just cast aside. And because of that, I
Speaker 3: developed quite bad eating disorders, and they carried through for
Speaker 3: quite a long time, and so I landed in Sydney.
Speaker 3: I'd been traveling all over the world and I came
Speaker 3: back to Sydney when I just turned twenty five. I
Speaker 3: didn't know anybody here, wasn't my hometown, and I decided
Speaker 3: that I needed to take stock and really work out
Speaker 3: what I wanted to do next. So I went back
Speaker 3: to UNI and studied media and communications, and that led
Speaker 3: to my next career, which was in public relations. But again,
Speaker 3: so many lessons learned through that, and I was also
Speaker 3: somebody who was quite independent. I didn't like gasking for advice.
Speaker 3: Some of it came from not wanting to bother people
Speaker 3: and also not really knowing who to reach out to.
Speaker 3: I didn't know anyone who worked in PR. I also
Speaker 3: didn't know anybody who worked in music and entertainment back
Speaker 3: when I was a young girl as well. So I
Speaker 3: really admire anybody who can give somebody a leg up,
Speaker 3: somebody who can be generous with information, and somebody who's
Speaker 3: happy to actually spend time telling somebody their secrets. I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people feel that if they give
Speaker 3: away all their secrets, then somebody will do better than
Speaker 3: them and take over their career, and suddenly there'll be
Speaker 3: nothing left for them. I really do have the sense
Speaker 3: that the universe is a very abundant space and there's
Speaker 3: enough for everybody, and there's enough to go around. The
Speaker 3: pie is very big and it's ever expanding, and there's
Speaker 3: a piece enough for everybody. So the more we expand
Speaker 3: our knowledge, the more that we share our information, the
Speaker 3: better this world is going to be, and also the
Speaker 3: better our workspaces are going to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, we love pies here at a wrong kind
Speaker 1: of pie rand. We also love sharing our pie, but
Speaker 1: we couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: And Laura and I, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, we have these discussions all in private. We plan
Speaker 1: on having a discussion more on this platform. But Australia
Speaker 1: really does have this level of tall poppy syndrome and
Speaker 1: I still can't quite get my head around it. There
Speaker 1: is a level I sort of feel bad saying this.
Speaker 1: There's a level of like women supporting women and people
Speaker 1: supporting people, but there's a level of it that I
Speaker 1: don't believe.
Speaker 2: There's a level of it that I see where.
Speaker 1: I think that people are putting on a front and
Speaker 1: a face. You know, they're pretending that they're more supportive
Speaker 1: of people than they actually are. How long were you
Speaker 1: stuck doing what you were doing before you realized you
Speaker 1: didn't like it? So were you two years deep, two
Speaker 1: years hating every single day or was it only a
Speaker 1: few months until you changed your mind? Because I know
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that do not want
Speaker 1: to go to their job every single day for.
Speaker 2: Years, but they don't know how to change it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question for me. I think I
Speaker 3: was lucky in that it was probably only It was
Speaker 3: probably only a year, and I was more torn. I
Speaker 3: didn't want to leave that industry, and I tried so
Speaker 3: many ways to think of how I could make it work.
Speaker 3: In fact, I was like, maybe I could work during
Speaker 3: the days, So I started working as a children's entertainer
Speaker 3: with a band a bit like The Wiggles, which I
Speaker 3: find hilarious because now we look after the PR for
Speaker 3: the Wiggles, it really is.
Speaker 2: I mean, Emma's just laughed, so you could step down back.
Speaker 3: It's my spot, but it's finally my time. But what
Speaker 3: was actually kind of interesting was when I moved into
Speaker 3: PR as well. I didn't immediately love it at all.
Speaker 3: I felt so out of my depth. There was still
Speaker 3: a part of me going no, I'd much rather be
Speaker 3: back singing and performing, and I was starting at the bottom.
Speaker 3: Nobody likes to start at the bottom because it was
Speaker 3: new and I didn't know what I was doing. I
Speaker 3: didn't feel accomplished at it. So that very first PR
Speaker 3: job that I had when I was in Sydney, while
Speaker 3: I was still studying, I studied by correspondence, so I
Speaker 3: did online learning with Deacon University and that allowed me
Speaker 3: to be able to work because I still needed to
Speaker 3: pay my rent and everything, like, I still needed to
Speaker 3: support myself. I come from two working class parents who
Speaker 3: I'm certainly not trust fun kid or anything. We had
Speaker 3: to work to get to where we are, and so
Speaker 3: I was working during the day, still singing and things
Speaker 3: at night and studying and then my first PR job.
Speaker 3: I cried on the bus most days on the way
Speaker 3: to work because I hated it. My boss was like quiet,
Speaker 3: she was amazing, but very devil.
Speaker 2: Where's Prada?
Speaker 3: Completely? Completely, That's exactly it was, exactly Devil was Prada?
Speaker 3: And I didn't particularly know what I was doing. Also
Speaker 3: wasn't sure if I was the right career for me,
Speaker 3: but I knew that if I dedicated some time to it,
Speaker 3: gave it a year, just kept working hard, put my
Speaker 3: head down, kept doing the things that perhaps other people
Speaker 3: didn't want to do, and just learned on the job
Speaker 3: that something would happen at the end of it. And
Speaker 3: the other thing that I realized too, which is hard
Speaker 3: when you're in it, it was only a year out
Speaker 3: of my life. If I really hated it, I could
Speaker 3: probably go back to singing, or I could do something else.
Speaker 3: And I try to remind myself that now I'm forty
Speaker 3: two now, and often people will go, oh, it's too
Speaker 3: late to start a new career. I think that's rubbish.
Speaker 3: I could throw my biness a way tomorrow. Not that
Speaker 3: I would, but I could and start again. And we
Speaker 3: can start again at any time. So it's always a
Speaker 3: great thing to remember.
Speaker 1: I really love that you've touched on this because I
Speaker 1: think that this can be something and I know it's
Speaker 1: something that I struggled with when I had a career pivot.
Speaker 1: It's this idea that I've done so many years of study.
Speaker 1: I've put so many years into this career. There's almost
Speaker 1: like a morning that identity say this. Also, I have
Speaker 1: some friends who work in medicine, and it's like, but
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to have this career. I
Speaker 1: thought I was going to be a surgeon, or I
Speaker 1: thought I was going to be an anestus. And then
Speaker 1: they've gotten into the career and don't particularly like it
Speaker 1: or it's not what they thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2: But it's the dealing with the breakdown.
Speaker 1: Of the identity and what they had hoped for themselves
Speaker 1: to then think about pivoting and going and trying something
Speaker 1: new and maybe seeing that pivot as a failure. What
Speaker 1: would you say to somebody who is at that cornerstone
Speaker 1: or that fork in the road and they've just spent
Speaker 1: all these years, ten years investing into what their career
Speaker 1: life is, but now they think, fuck, it's not what
Speaker 1: I want and maybe I need to change.
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 3: I just kind of got chills thinking about that, Because
Speaker 3: the best part about that is nothing is ever wasted.
Speaker 3: So the experience that you have doing whatever it is
Speaker 3: you've trained to do will come up again at some
Speaker 3: point in your life and you'll be able to use it.
Speaker 3: So even if you were moving from medicine through.
Speaker 2: To entertainment like me, that is literally.
Speaker 3: Likely, but the rigor and the structure that you probably
Speaker 3: had to have in your medical career to be able
Speaker 3: to put that into your entertainment career, so that you
Speaker 3: actually have a framework around you that will support you
Speaker 3: when you're in an industry that is very up and
Speaker 3: down and quite volatile, is probably going to be the
Speaker 3: best thing for you. Whereas if somebody entered entertainment with
Speaker 3: absolutely no structure, no routines, no ideas of kind of
Speaker 3: how the wider world worked, they're going to find it
Speaker 3: a lot more difficult than you will.
Speaker 1: I do really believe that exactly what you just say,
Speaker 1: that everything you're doing is knowledge and he's setting you
Speaker 1: up for what is to come. There is literally something
Speaker 1: and I'm talking relationships, work, life, experience. Everything is something
Speaker 1: you can draw on, even like this podcast now, the
Speaker 1: things that we've both done in the past is what's
Speaker 1: helping us to achieve what we're achieving now because we
Speaker 1: can draw back on those experiences. For me, it was
Speaker 1: really hard to transition from having a medical background to entertainment.
Speaker 1: It was something that I knew I wanted to do,
Speaker 1: but I never really knew how, and I had a
Speaker 1: very hard time letting go and moving on. And I
Speaker 1: think that is what happens to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: They don't know how to physically take the jump.
Speaker 2: How do I do it?
Speaker 1: How do I actually get out of what I'm doing?
Speaker 1: How do I start a business that's not going to
Speaker 1: make any money for a while. What advice would you
Speaker 1: give to someone who's in that transitional phase between moving
Speaker 1: from one career into another or wanting to start something
Speaker 1: but they don't have the funds or they don't have
Speaker 1: the ability to just go cool, I'm going to quit
Speaker 1: and start a new business, or the physically.
Speaker 2: Don't know how.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the first thing you want to do is
Speaker 3: give yourself the confidence that you're making the right decision.
Speaker 3: And to do that, everything that you do in life
Speaker 3: needs to come back to your values and what you
Speaker 3: stand for, and that will come down to the way
Speaker 3: that you present yourself to the world in addition to
Speaker 3: making you really happy. So once you know what your
Speaker 3: values are, the idea around values is these are your
Speaker 3: guiding lights. So whenever you're about to make any decision,
Speaker 3: you then look at your values or your priorities and say,
Speaker 3: is this thing that I'm about to do going to
Speaker 3: support or hinder my values and then you make your
Speaker 3: decision either way. So everyone's values is completely different. So
Speaker 3: my advice would be do a brainstorm. So get a
Speaker 3: piece of paper out, just start writing pop on your computer.
Speaker 3: I personally prefer to write like pen on paper because
Speaker 3: studies have shown that you are forty five to eighty
Speaker 3: percent more likely to actually act on something if you've
Speaker 3: physically written it down. So write these things down and
Speaker 3: it can be like what is the most important thing
Speaker 3: to you or what is the thing that you want
Speaker 3: to achieve in life? And those things really different to everybody.
Speaker 3: It could be I want to be really healthy, I
Speaker 3: want to start a charity. I want to be famous.
Speaker 3: I want to run a marathon. I want to create
Speaker 3: a business, employed lots of people, so many things. I
Speaker 3: want to practice law, I want to work in entertainment.
Speaker 3: I want to work as a vet. Like it is limitless.
Speaker 3: But the best way to look at it is make
Speaker 3: sure that everything on that list actually applies to you
Speaker 3: and isn't what your family or your friends want you
Speaker 3: to do or what you think you should be doing.
Speaker 3: Because often what society kind of tells us we should
Speaker 3: be doing what our family and friends want us to
Speaker 3: be doing isn't quite the right thing. If you're really
Speaker 3: influenced by what your family and friends are kind of
Speaker 3: wanting you to do, then perhaps having great relationships with
Speaker 3: your family and friends is really important to you and
Speaker 3: is a core value and priority. So once you've got
Speaker 3: this huge page of things, you need to prioritize them
Speaker 3: into a list of ten. So the best way to
Speaker 3: do that is say, if I could only have one
Speaker 3: of these things as my top priority, what's it going
Speaker 3: to be? And then you choose one, and then you
Speaker 3: choose the next one, and then you choose the next one,
Speaker 3: and you'll end up with a list of like ten things.
Speaker 3: What's really interesting is that these priorities will change and
Speaker 3: shift over the course of your life. So what I
Speaker 3: prior tires and what my values are now vastly different
Speaker 3: to five years ago, completely different to ten, fifteen years ago,
Speaker 3: and that's okay. We're under no obligation to remain the
Speaker 3: same people for our whole lives, so we can just
Speaker 3: change as we need to. But once you've got your
Speaker 3: list of values, go through them and shorten them down
Speaker 3: to like one word. So, for example, if one of
Speaker 3: your priorities is to have a really successful career, that
Speaker 3: might be success. Or if you want to make a
Speaker 3: lot of money, it could just be wealth. Or if
Speaker 3: you want to start a family, that might just be family.
Speaker 3: So you have a list of these ten things, and
Speaker 3: then every decision that you choose to make, you come
Speaker 3: back to that list of ten things and say, if
Speaker 3: I do this, if I take this job, are these
Speaker 3: priorities being looked after? So values number one? Next one
Speaker 3: of passions. So your passions or your curiosities are the
Speaker 3: things that set you alight. They're the things that get
Speaker 3: you out of bed in the morning. They're the things
Speaker 3: that time stand still when they're happening. They're the things
Speaker 3: that make you do a podcast six o'clock in the
Speaker 3: morning or at midnight when the kids are still asleep.
Speaker 3: You're not making any money from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like why there was James where I
Speaker 1: was like, this is not I don't know what this is.
Speaker 3: So when you've got those passions all same thing, do
Speaker 3: a brainstorm, write them all down. Say what do I
Speaker 3: really love to do? Do I love podcasting? Do I
Speaker 3: love painting? Do I love coding? Do I love creating? Events?
Speaker 3: Like it could be absolutely anything, and again it's really
Speaker 3: particular to you and you only. They're often the things
Speaker 3: that you're really good at. Your passions are things generally speaking,
Speaker 3: that you're very good or that you're good at, or
Speaker 3: that you'd like to do. Then refine that list and
Speaker 3: say which ones am I actually great at, like really
Speaker 3: good at intrinsically, like, for example, problem solving could be
Speaker 3: on there. They could be hard skills like being a writer,
Speaker 3: or they could be soft skills, which is like problem
Speaker 3: solving or being an empathetic person or being a good communicator.
Speaker 3: Go through and decide in that list of passions what
Speaker 3: it is you're actually good at or that you're willing
Speaker 3: to put the time and effort in to become good at. So,
Speaker 3: if you wanted to become a singer and you're like,
Speaker 3: I'm okay, but I don't think I'm amazing, are you
Speaker 3: really willing to put in the time and effort to
Speaker 3: be having singing lessons, to do all the practice, dedicate
Speaker 3: all of that, Because if you're not, then singing probably
Speaker 3: shouldn't be on your list because you're really not going
Speaker 3: to do it. So you've got your values, which are
Speaker 3: your priorities. Then you've got your passions, which are the
Speaker 3: things that you really want to do and the things
Speaker 3: that you love, and then you just start looking at
Speaker 3: them overlapping and then decide if this career move that
Speaker 3: you want to move into is going to have those
Speaker 3: two things kind of intersecting. A couple more questions that
Speaker 3: you can ask yourself, which are your dream life questions?
Speaker 2: Am I crazy?
Speaker 3: That's always up there to that you always say yes.
Speaker 1: Of course, but that's like a fun kind of crazy,
Speaker 1: good fun crazy.
Speaker 3: But the one dream life question is to say, if
Speaker 3: I had all the money in the world and never
Speaker 3: had to worry about paying bills ever again, how would
Speaker 3: I spend my time? What would I actually be doing?
Speaker 2: Such a good question. Do you think worry you're doing
Speaker 2: you'd be still doing the same thing. Well, I think
Speaker 2: I'd be in the.
Speaker 1: I think I'd be there for a few weeks, and
Speaker 1: when I would come back, it would be podcasting from
Speaker 1: the Bahamas.
Speaker 3: So things might be elevated. But you know what, you
Speaker 3: would probably still be podcasting, and you would still have
Speaker 3: Tony May and you would still be acting, but you
Speaker 3: would be probably.
Speaker 2: Doing it somewhere really awesome.
Speaker 3: It's choosing whether or not that's what you'd want to do.
Speaker 3: The other dream life question that's really important to ask
Speaker 3: yourself is if I do these things, am I going
Speaker 3: to be happy? And am I going to be a
Speaker 3: good person who's a good person in society? Because you
Speaker 3: might choose to start a really profitable business that's earning
Speaker 3: millions and millions of dollars, or you might decide that
Speaker 3: you want to be a lawyer and a huge law firm. However,
Speaker 3: if you look at your priorities and your values, you
Speaker 3: might have to reconcile the fact that you're not going
Speaker 3: to be able for a few years until you've built
Speaker 3: that business up. You're not going to be able to
Speaker 3: manage some of those other values or priorities. You're not
Speaker 3: going to be able to spend time on them. You're
Speaker 3: not going to be able to spend time in your
Speaker 3: other passion. So you have to decide whether or not
Speaker 3: you can do that, and if you can't, maybe it's
Speaker 3: time for a different career, if maybe that's not the
Speaker 3: right one for you. And then coming back to you know,
Speaker 3: am I going to be a good human? Can I
Speaker 3: be somebody who's in this world who's contributing to society?
Speaker 3: And doing things ethically and sustainably as well. I think
Speaker 3: that's always a good start.
Speaker 1: What do you think in terms of like so, for example,
Speaker 1: a lot of people who get into creative careers it's
Speaker 1: because it's their hobby, it's their passion. But then there
Speaker 1: is such a big shift and change in turning something
Speaker 1: that you love into turning it into your work.
Speaker 2: And I know for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: And friends of mine who have tried to turn their
Speaker 1: creative passions into their work, they've almost come to resent
Speaker 1: what they used to love. But how would you suggest
Speaker 1: somebody who's trying to transition a passion into their career,
Speaker 1: how do they keep that passion alive?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I feel you on that one. And it's so funny
Speaker 3: because if I had at the start of my career
Speaker 3: worked out what my values were, what my passion where
Speaker 3: I ask myself those dream life questions, probably wouldn't have
Speaker 3: become a performer. I wouldn't have become a singer. I
Speaker 3: would have kept it as a hobby because I loved it.
Speaker 3: I loved to sing, but I didn't necessarily love all
Speaker 3: the practice. I didn't necessarily love performing at night. I
Speaker 3: didn't love lugging all my band gear from venue to venue.
Speaker 3: Some musicians love that. They just think it's the best ever,
Speaker 3: and they're the people who should be doing that. So
Speaker 3: once you've established whether or not this truly is your passion,
Speaker 3: it is putting the sort of frameworks around you that
Speaker 3: will support you to be able to do the parts
Speaker 3: of the business that you really love the most. I'm
Speaker 3: the same so running the comms department. When you're running
Speaker 3: a business, there's the business side of everything, and if
Speaker 3: you've got team and employees, there's a whole lot of
Speaker 3: admin that comes with all of that, combined with the
Speaker 3: new business of making sure that there's clients in the
Speaker 3: pipeline to keep us all sustainable. And then on top
Speaker 3: of that, you're doing the actual work. And when I
Speaker 3: had a really big team of people and I was
Speaker 3: constantly just doing all the admin, I would get to
Speaker 3: the end of the day and go, I haven't done
Speaker 3: a single creative piece of pr all day totally, and
Speaker 3: I hate it. And so I had to restructure my
Speaker 3: business to ensure that I had people who I really
Speaker 3: trusted and who knew exactly what they were doing to
Speaker 3: be able to manage those parts of the business that
Speaker 3: I didn't particularly want to do so that I could
Speaker 3: get back to doing the parts that I really loved.
Speaker 3: Having said that, I also think that there needs to
Speaker 3: be a good, healthy dose of reality that there will
Speaker 3: always be crap parts of your job that you don't
Speaker 3: particularly enjoy, but you do them anyway.
Speaker 2: Totally, totally.
Speaker 1: It's a bad perspective really, Like you said, it's bad,
Speaker 1: it's going to come with the good. There's highs and
Speaker 1: as lows in everything, and they can't run without each other.
Speaker 2: It's like dating.
Speaker 1: You've got to get through the shit to get to
Speaker 1: the good stuff, like you have to go through those
Speaker 1: toads to get to that beautiful prince at the end.
Speaker 1: But that brings me perfectly to the whole work life balance.
Speaker 1: Now you speak about career life flow and work life balance,
Speaker 1: What is the difference between career life flow? Say that
Speaker 1: ten times fast. What is the difference between career lifelow
Speaker 1: and work life balance?
Speaker 3: So we've all heard of work life balance. It's been
Speaker 3: around for a long time, and I think it's really
Speaker 3: antiquated now and it's probably needs a new definition because
Speaker 3: work life balance was that ancient idea that on one
Speaker 3: side you had work and on the other side you
Speaker 3: had life and they never met and they never mixed.
Speaker 3: And who are those people who do that? Have no idea,
Speaker 3: But what generally happens. So imagine you've got like a
Speaker 3: playground seesaw, and on one end you've got work, and
Speaker 3: then you put lots of work on one end, and
Speaker 3: the other end shoots up and that's your life end.
Speaker 3: So you put some life on, you catch up with
Speaker 3: your family and friends, and then you kind of try
Speaker 3: to even out the work and the life so that
Speaker 3: it's on an even keel. But over time, what generally
Speaker 3: happens is that work gets busy, so more and more
Speaker 3: work gets dumped onto the work end, and so life
Speaker 3: shoots up empty again. So you stack more and more
Speaker 3: life on there. You trying to do more life Adamin.
Speaker 3: You're trying to catch up with your family and friends.
Speaker 3: You're trying to exercise, you're trying to sleep, you're trying
Speaker 3: to eat well, you're trying to do all of those things.
Speaker 3: And over time, all that happens is your seesaw gets
Speaker 3: heavier and heavier and heavier on either until one day
Speaker 3: it just snaps and shatters into a million pieces. And
Speaker 3: that's where you get burnout, that's where you get hating
Speaker 3: your job. That's where you get depression, that's where you
Speaker 3: get anxiety, and it's just such a road to misery.
Speaker 3: So career life flow is a different idea, but it
Speaker 3: works more in today's workforce as well, where because of
Speaker 3: today's tech, we can be contactable all the time. Doesn't
Speaker 3: mean we should be, but we can be working at
Speaker 3: all hours of the day and night. So a really
Speaker 3: great idea of it is, so career is anything to
Speaker 3: do with your work. So it's your actual day to
Speaker 3: day work, your job, but also the relationships with all
Speaker 3: the people pertaining to your work. So it might be
Speaker 3: your bosses, your colleagues, your clients, your customers. And then
Speaker 3: you have your life, which is your sleep, your exercise,
Speaker 3: your eating, your family, your friends, your appointments, your hobbies,
Speaker 3: anything that kind of doesn't fit into your career bucket.
Speaker 3: Of course, there's often a lot of crossover, particularly if
Speaker 3: you really love the work that you're doing, there's often
Speaker 3: a lot of crossover. You have a lot of the
Speaker 3: people that I work with are really good friends of mine,
Speaker 3: so and the same obviously for you guys. And then
Speaker 3: you have flow. So career life flow. Flow is the
Speaker 3: way that you low like a river in between both
Speaker 3: of those activities, and rather than the idea that work
Speaker 3: and life never meet, your career and your life be
Speaker 3: segmented down into smaller chunks throughout the day, smaller segments
Speaker 3: throughout the day, and then you very mindfully kind of
Speaker 3: flow from one to the other. Like you might get
Speaker 3: up at six or seven in the morning, and then
Speaker 3: you'll head off and you might dismexercise, or you might
Speaker 3: look after your kids, so that's kind of falling into
Speaker 3: the life bucket. But meanwhile you're checking some emails, and
Speaker 3: then you might thirty minutes of checking your emails and
Speaker 3: doing that, and then you start to get ready and
Speaker 3: then perhaps you're getting ready to go to work. So
Speaker 3: you've done like maybe an hour of life and then
Speaker 3: thirty minutes of career, and then you'll flow throughout the
Speaker 3: day in that way. So this is different though to multitasking.
Speaker 3: So multitasking is the idea that you're doing multiple things
Speaker 3: at once, and there's this kind of myth that women
Speaker 3: are very good at well, it's true women are very
Speaker 3: good at multitasking. If multitasking actually existed, what you're actually
Speaker 3: doing when you're multitasking, is swapping between tasks really really fast,
Speaker 3: one after the other. And what happens is your brain.
Speaker 3: All the studies have shown that your brain absolutely hates
Speaker 3: that over a long period of time. It just makes
Speaker 3: you really exhausted and is yet another recipe for burnout.
Speaker 3: So when you're doing your career and when you're doing
Speaker 3: your life, try to complete one task, really finish that off,
Speaker 3: take a pause, and then move on to the next
Speaker 3: one and flow into the next one instead. So it
Speaker 3: does mean that your work day, for example, might look
Speaker 3: like you're working from six in the morning through till
Speaker 3: nine at night, but you've segmented enough life moments throughout
Speaker 3: that day to ensure that your life hours are being
Speaker 3: met as well. So the way that you could do it,
Speaker 3: you can end up mapping out again and get your
Speaker 3: pin and paper out and just map out like some segments.
Speaker 3: Save from six to seven, I'm going to do this
Speaker 3: from eight till nine, I'm going to do this from
Speaker 3: nine till twelve. I'm going to do this. Just map
Speaker 3: out and then put in the hours that you would
Speaker 3: spend on your career, and that also includes the time
Speaker 3: you're thinking about your career because I know as O,
Speaker 3: I know we kind of think a lot about our
Speaker 3: careers and where we want to be going. So allocate
Speaker 3: those into the career buckets and then into your life buckets.
Speaker 3: Just make sure that you're really scheduling in all of
Speaker 3: those things that are important to you. You want to
Speaker 3: be able to look back at the end of the
Speaker 3: day and go I've worked from six till eight, but
Speaker 3: I've also had some really great life moments.
Speaker 1: I went out for a walk, or I went and
Speaker 1: got a coffee, or jumped in the ocean really quickly.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and you did that mindfully. So when you were
Speaker 3: having when you went for that walk, when you went
Speaker 3: and had that coffee, when you jumped in the ocean,
Speaker 3: when you caught up with your girlfriends, you were doing
Speaker 3: just that. You weren't thinking about work at the same time.
Speaker 1: And that's probably the hard bit, Like the amount of times, right,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's so many people listening to this where
Speaker 1: you're like trying to answer emails but you're also watching
Speaker 1: your kids and you're doing both jobs a bit shit,
Speaker 1: and that is what makes you feel like not only
Speaker 1: are you doing everything, but you're not doing anything well
Speaker 1: at the same time, and that kind of adds to
Speaker 1: this feeling of not just work dissatisfaction, but just feeling
Speaker 1: like you're not good at.
Speaker 3: Your job and really discouraging.
Speaker 2: It's so discouraging. I think it's important to have a
Speaker 2: level of realism here as well. When you start your.
Speaker 1: Own business, or when you take a leap into something
Speaker 1: that's yours that you are building from the ground up,
Speaker 1: you have to work harder than you normally would. You
Speaker 1: have to put the hours in because you don't have
Speaker 1: money to pay anyone else yet. And I think I
Speaker 1: think people need to be realistic, and I think people
Speaker 1: get discouraged by that. They start their own business, they
Speaker 1: realize how much goes into it. It's always going to
Speaker 1: be like that until it takes off or you make
Speaker 1: just enough to get someone in to help you. Well,
Speaker 1: it's that old adage as well of like I quit
Speaker 1: my nine to five to work twenty four seven. That's
Speaker 1: so many people who run them. That's so true, people
Speaker 1: who run their own businesses. It's like the amount of
Speaker 1: friends I have who run their own businesses who are like,
Speaker 1: I don't stop, Like I used to have a normal
Speaker 1: work life balance and now I just work and there's
Speaker 1: no balance and.
Speaker 2: I have no life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think for people who work in
Speaker 1: a creative industry and for women specifically who work in
Speaker 1: a creative industry, what are some of the biggest challenges
Speaker 1: that you see women face.
Speaker 3: So a lot of women, to the exact point, don't
Speaker 3: back themselves and they don't put themselves forward for things
Speaker 3: that they would probably be really good at until they
Speaker 3: think they're perfect at.
Speaker 1: It, unlike men who will happily apply for a job
Speaker 1: that they are completely unqualified for. It's something like eighty
Speaker 1: percent of men apply for jobs they're not qualified for,
Speaker 1: like twenty percent of women do because we wait until well,
Speaker 1: it's in this imposter syndrome that we all face. It's
Speaker 1: not thinking we're good enough. They're never going to give
Speaker 1: us that job. If I just do one more course,
Speaker 1: if I just get a little bit more experience, whereas
Speaker 1: a man's like, fuck, I'll do it. I've never studied
Speaker 1: that in my life, but yeah, sure, give me a payrise,
Speaker 1: let me take this job.
Speaker 2: Where do you think that comes from.
Speaker 3: It's extraordinary, isn't it. I've made many highs over the
Speaker 3: course of the last ten years and seeing resumes that
Speaker 3: come through to me and people who apply for jobs,
Speaker 3: and I would absolutely say that that statistic is right
Speaker 3: because the amount of incredibly highly qualified, I would say,
Speaker 3: overqualified women who apply versus some of the men that
Speaker 3: would apply who have not met any of the criteria.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm a gardener that I would love to
Speaker 1: come into this industry.
Speaker 3: You know, there's that statistic. It's probably about two years
Speaker 3: old now, but I highly doubt it's changed very much.
Speaker 3: That if you're a CEO in Australia, you're forty percent
Speaker 3: more likely to be named John or Peter than you
Speaker 3: are to be a woman.
Speaker 2: That's oh my god, that is wild. I'm changing my name.
Speaker 1: I deeply relate to this, and this is like a
Speaker 1: bit of a personal anecdote. Like I've worked in retail
Speaker 1: for fifteen years now, I've run Tony May for ten years.
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you the amount of men who have
Speaker 1: had no experience in retail who like to sit me
Speaker 1: down when I go out for dinner or whatever and
Speaker 1: drool me on my business but also give their advice
Speaker 1: on how I should run my retail business. And blows
Speaker 1: my fucking mind because sometimes I'm there, like, but what
Speaker 1: is your experience? Like They'll say, Oh, you need to
Speaker 1: get your manufacturing done, you need to get this outsourcing done,
Speaker 1: you should be housing it in these ways, And I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, what are you talking about? You know nothing.
Speaker 1: And I know that we're being quite generalized in this
Speaker 1: in saying this, and I know that we're making some
Speaker 1: sweeping stereotime.
Speaker 2: There are some great men out there, But I.
Speaker 1: Do reinforce what you said that women truly don't back
Speaker 1: themselves in this industry, and it takes a lot of
Speaker 1: time to feel like we are experts. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I'm an expert in my industry, even though I've
Speaker 1: worked in it for fifteen years.
Speaker 3: We do have imposter syndrome, and that that is across genders,
Speaker 3: that all genders have imposter syndrome, but women are particularly
Speaker 3: vulnerable to it in thinking that they must have all
Speaker 3: their ducks in a row, have all of the information
Speaker 3: ready to go, be prepared, get it all ready, then
Speaker 3: make the leap. And I don't think you can have
Speaker 3: everything ready to go, particularly not in today's world. We're
Speaker 3: moving in such a fast paced world that you need
Speaker 3: to sometimes, Yes, you do need to have a certain
Speaker 3: amount of preparation done, and you don't want to be
Speaker 3: walking into an industry where you have no idea what
Speaker 3: you're doing. But you do need to just take that
Speaker 3: leap of faith. One of the early things that I learned,
Speaker 3: which is in the book too, is just about nobody
Speaker 3: really knows what they're doing. You don't realize that until
Speaker 3: you're in the ranks and you're in working with people
Speaker 3: that people really don't know what they're doing. We're off
Speaker 3: so true.
Speaker 1: What are some tactical steps that someone who really feels
Speaker 1: like they don't back themselves in the industry, what can
Speaker 1: they do not just like improve their self worth, but
Speaker 1: like go out there and ask for a pay rise,
Speaker 1: or go out there and do some very actionable things
Speaker 1: to be better in their workplace.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a few things. So one is about mentors.
Speaker 3: So find somebody in your industry or your organization who's
Speaker 3: gone before you, who's generous with their time and is
Speaker 3: happy to have a chat to you. It's all about
Speaker 3: seeking information. So you've got to be a little researcher.
Speaker 3: You've got to be a scientist. You've got to work
Speaker 3: out again what you do know and what you don't know,
Speaker 3: so find out in every industry, or let's just say
Speaker 3: you're working in a big organization, that organization has its
Speaker 3: own company values and it has its priorities, so it
Speaker 3: has things that it values. And when you are studying
Speaker 3: a organization, you want to find out what's so valuable,
Speaker 3: like what is the sea and the executive leadership team
Speaker 3: or value? Is it just revenue? Are they just trying
Speaker 3: to make as many sales as possible? Do they want
Speaker 3: the most creative ideas? Do they want people who are
Speaker 3: really good connectors and can bring the team together, Like
Speaker 3: what is it that people value? And if you're like
Speaker 3: I have no idea, like where to start, just ask
Speaker 3: your boss. And if your boss doesn't know, ask their boss.
Speaker 1: If you want to pay rise, don't just ask your boss.
Speaker 1: How do I ask you for a pay rise?
Speaker 3: You need to see actutely not but it's so sorry
Speaker 3: n fs exactly, don't just say under the guys, i'd
Speaker 3: like to pay rise, So I'd like to know what's
Speaker 3: valuable to you so.
Speaker 2: That I can put it in a piece of paper
Speaker 2: and write center back to you.
Speaker 3: So instead you'd be saying I want to do the
Speaker 3: best possible job that I can for this organization, and
Speaker 3: I really want to know what this organization values, and
Speaker 3: like the top line, the big bird's eye view, like
Speaker 3: what is everybody here trying to achieve? So that I
Speaker 3: can then do that in my job. And then once
Speaker 3: you know that, you can start making sure that you
Speaker 3: are hitting every KPI in your world. That builds towards
Speaker 3: that as well. So that's very like, that's a very
Speaker 3: top line thing that you can do. But if you're
Speaker 3: looking for a pay rise, if you're looking for a promotion,
Speaker 3: then once you've done the research on the company to
Speaker 3: kind of understand what's going on. Most companies will have
Speaker 3: reviews or promotion times, some only doing them annually. In
Speaker 3: a dream world, you'd be doing them quarterly. Find out
Speaker 3: when they are, find out what the deal is. Absolutely
Speaker 3: everyone is different. Speak to hr, find out what happens.
Speaker 3: Then do your preparation for it. So work out all
Speaker 3: of the things that you've done to contribute to that organization.
Speaker 3: So think of it be your own pr Basically, go Okay,
Speaker 3: what are all the amazing things that I've done, Who
Speaker 3: did I come into contact with, what big deals did
Speaker 3: I do? Or if that's too high level, it might
Speaker 3: just be simply, was I doing my job really really
Speaker 3: well every day for the last however long you've been
Speaker 3: working there, and what did I contribute to that was
Speaker 3: really important and valuable to the company. So do your preparation.
Speaker 3: Then practice talking about that and put it into succinct
Speaker 3: language that is easy to talk through, because you want
Speaker 3: to be able to explain that you've done that without
Speaker 3: coming across sounding like you're a crazy narcissist who's just
Speaker 3: really interested in yourself. So practice creating a bit of
Speaker 3: a script about what you know is important to the company,
Speaker 3: and say, you know, I've been working at this company
Speaker 3: for three years now, and I've really realized that Obviously,
Speaker 3: generating sales is really important, making sure that we're always
Speaker 3: hitting our sales targets is important, but I also know
Speaker 3: that's really important to be bringing in new business. So
Speaker 3: over the last three years, here's how I've done that,
Speaker 3: and here's what I'd like to do in the future
Speaker 3: to try to build that even more and take this
Speaker 3: company into an even better position. In order to do that,
Speaker 3: I'd really like to apply for a pay rise, and
Speaker 3: I'd like to talk to you about that. And it's
Speaker 3: as simple as that. So getting that out, you do
Speaker 3: need to of course know, like if you if your
Speaker 3: company and organization has just been through a pandemic and
Speaker 3: your industry was really badly hit and half the company
Speaker 3: and there's no pay rises for a while, obviously pick
Speaker 3: your moments, like it might be that company isn't going
Speaker 3: to be in a position to However, you never know
Speaker 3: until you put your hand up. So again, while talking
Speaker 3: through how your empathy, like you have empathy for the company,
Speaker 3: you know what the company's been through, talking through all
Speaker 3: of the values that they have and how you've contributed
Speaker 3: to them, and then just really simply ask do you
Speaker 3: know if there will be any scope for promotions or
Speaker 3: pay rises in the near future.
Speaker 1: And I think it's important to note that this doesn't
Speaker 1: just affect women, Like not that long ago, I helped
Speaker 1: a male friend get a pay rise. He didn't know
Speaker 1: how hard to approach it, he didn't know if he
Speaker 1: should approach it. And I think it's just about having
Speaker 1: a level of confidence and knowing that you're capable and
Speaker 1: knowing your worth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, know your value. Oh that's not on everyone's like
Speaker 3: billboards above their homes. When I say, no, your value,
Speaker 3: your value or your personal value has nothing to do
Speaker 3: with your work. Your personal value has everything to do
Speaker 3: with who you are as a human being and in
Speaker 3: your place in the world. But knowing your financial value
Speaker 3: in a workplace is really import and again it comes
Speaker 3: back to knowing how the work that you're doing is
Speaker 3: contributing to the overall success of the organization that you're
Speaker 3: wanting to get the promotion for. So if you can
Speaker 3: really easily demonstrate that the things that you've been doing
Speaker 3: at your work have contributed to the financial success of
Speaker 3: your company, then that is on you. Thank like, well done,
Speaker 3: that's on you. So you should be shouting that out
Speaker 3: loud and prown.
Speaker 1: One of the things, as like a business owner is
Speaker 1: just preparation. Go in there, armed with the details, go
Speaker 1: in there saying like, here it is, I've written it out,
Speaker 1: here's what I've achieved. Here are my successes in the company.
Speaker 1: I think that that speaks volumes and walking into these
Speaker 1: discussions where you're asking for a pay rise or you're
Speaker 1: asking for a promotion. Really kind of I'm not saying
Speaker 1: go and put together a PowerPoint. You could if you
Speaker 1: wanted to, but like, hey, why not go hard to
Speaker 1: go home? Yeah, Like putting together almost like a little
Speaker 1: bit of a debate as to why you deserve that
Speaker 1: really goes a long way as well, because there might
Speaker 1: be things or there might be an overall, you know,
Speaker 1: success that the business has had. But you would hope
Speaker 1: that your manager is across how you've contributed to it.
Speaker 1: But often they're so busy worrying about their own job
Speaker 1: that they're not completely.
Speaker 2: Across what you've done.
Speaker 1: So it's really great to be able to go out
Speaker 1: there and just once again explain and lay it all
Speaker 1: out and be like, this is how hard I've worked
Speaker 1: this year, this is what I've achieved. I find that
Speaker 1: the creative industry can be a tricky one for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, and I think it's also I don't think,
Speaker 1: I know, it's a hugely undervalued skill set for a
Speaker 1: lot of women. You know, we do a lot of
Speaker 1: things for free, for example, whether it be people who
Speaker 1: are graphic designers who go out there and do free
Speaker 1: logos or photographers who do time for prints. Like I
Speaker 1: think our services in a creative industry can be incredibly undervalued.
Speaker 2: What would you.
Speaker 1: Say to somebody who is in that initial startup period
Speaker 1: who is like trying Okay, how do I get my
Speaker 1: work out there? Maybe doing too much for free or
Speaker 1: giving away too much of themselves. How can someone build
Speaker 1: value around their business and really build respect around what
Speaker 1: their product is?
Speaker 3: Setting boundaries straight up to know what it is you're
Speaker 3: prepared to be paid for what you're prepared to be
Speaker 3: It can be quite dangerous from an early stage if
Speaker 3: you start working for free, because the expectation then is
Speaker 3: that it will always be free. A really great example
Speaker 3: of this on a global scale is when all of
Speaker 3: the new sites used to give away free content.
Speaker 2: I'm still dirty that you have to pay subscriptions.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: Every time I go on the Daily Telegraph, I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn it, I'm not finding that article. I'll find it
Speaker 1: on Daily Mail for free someone or repost it.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 3: So the challenges that they now have to make people
Speaker 3: pay for their content when it used to be free
Speaker 3: is very very hard. So I would be very mindful
Speaker 3: of not doing things for free when you can when
Speaker 3: you are starting out now. That can be very challenging.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, it can be very hard interning. Like,
Speaker 3: for example, anybody who ever works for us, they're always
Speaker 3: paid positions. We've never ever had unpaid interns, for example,
Speaker 3: So we always make sure that if you are doing
Speaker 3: a job, you get paid for it in some way,
Speaker 3: shape or form. The best thing you can be doing
Speaker 3: is just finding out what the going rate is supposed
Speaker 3: to be for that industry. So just do some googling.
Speaker 3: Just you can jump on and find out go to
Speaker 3: seek or career one. They can tell you the average
Speaker 3: rate of pay for that particular work that you're doing,
Speaker 3: and then if you wanted to, you know, reduce that
Speaker 3: rate a bit because you knew that's fine. You can
Speaker 3: always start lower and then push your rates up higher
Speaker 3: as you go. That rule number one is just don't
Speaker 3: work for free. The exception to that rule is if
Speaker 3: you are literally dipping your toe in the water to
Speaker 3: try to work out if that's going to be the
Speaker 3: career for you, or you're kind of gaining some experience.
Speaker 3: So if you do have your day job and you're
Speaker 3: dipping into helping out with some events, or you're helping
Speaker 3: out launching a restaurant or something and they've asked you
Speaker 3: to help, then sure you might want to do things
Speaker 3: like that for free as you go. But as you
Speaker 3: get to the point where you perhaps want to leave
Speaker 3: that business and start your own. Just don't work for free.
Speaker 1: And I was gonna say it also comes back to
Speaker 1: that overarching banner that we're going to stick in front
Speaker 1: of everyone's houses, which is no your work. I guess
Speaker 1: like for so many people, I think we value what
Speaker 1: our skill set is, or we under quote on things
Speaker 1: because on one hand, you don't want to miss out
Speaker 1: on the work, but on the other hand, you like
Speaker 1: you want to be competitive against what other people are.
Speaker 1: But I think for so many of us, asking for money,
Speaker 1: you know, setting your prices can be something that's so challenging,
Speaker 1: and it also feels a little bit debilitating to send
Speaker 1: out an invoice under your own name and be like, ook,
Speaker 1: that's it, Like, you know, and what are they going
Speaker 1: to think of that?
Speaker 2: Like, what are they going to think of this quote?
Speaker 1: If you're starting a new business, and you're also if
Speaker 1: you're the jack of all trades, you're the person who
Speaker 1: does the accounts, you're the person who does the pr
Speaker 1: the branding, everything. I think a really clever little tactic
Speaker 1: is to create a new email address with a different
Speaker 1: person's name, and that's the person that sends out quotes.
Speaker 1: That's the person that sends out invoices, and that way
Speaker 1: you aren't being the person who's asking for money. So
Speaker 1: maybe you have Sally from accounts and Sally from Accounts
Speaker 1: is the one that deals with all the money, and
Speaker 1: that way there's a little bit of separation there, especially
Speaker 1: if that's something that you struggle with or that it
Speaker 1: gives you a bit of anxiety or makes you feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm maybe I'm as for too much. Spoiler, Sally
Speaker 1: is you.
Speaker 2: Nobody needs to know that.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna have to change my account name
Speaker 1: nol Or. I think a prime example of this of
Speaker 1: having a level of sometimes you.
Speaker 2: Might offer a service for free.
Speaker 1: Really good example is when we got producer Keisha on board.
Speaker 1: We didn't search for producer Keisha produce a Keisha slid
Speaker 1: into our DM and she's done this mind you, but
Speaker 1: she read your book and it left a big impact
Speaker 1: on her.
Speaker 2: She wrote your book. She slid into our emails and
Speaker 2: she just said, this is my experience.
Speaker 1: I love your podcast. She said all the right things.
Speaker 1: Can I edit something for you for free? This is
Speaker 1: her saying I don't want any money, but it's just
Speaker 1: trying to prove her worth prove her skill set. Can
Speaker 1: I edit some one or two.
Speaker 2: Weeks for you for free?
Speaker 1: You can get my vibe, you can see if you
Speaker 1: like me, and then we can talk. And we said, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you can do that, but we will pay you for it,
Speaker 1: because I guess coming from a creative industry too, we
Speaker 1: knew that we could have absolutely in that sense, we
Speaker 1: could have said, yeah, let's see what she's got, like
Speaker 1: why not, and we could have not paid her. And
Speaker 1: I think that that is a prime of when maybe
Speaker 1: you can get away with it because she's approached us.
Speaker 1: But we value people's work, and after being in your
Speaker 1: own business, you realize that, well, they're at nighttime, taking
Speaker 1: their own time, they're putting their own effort in, they're
Speaker 1: doing their own skill set.
Speaker 2: They're very experienced. So in that sense, we paid her.
Speaker 1: But I think that's a really good example of if
Speaker 1: you're trying to get the foot in the door.
Speaker 2: Kisha got a job from that.
Speaker 1: She took a risk, she jumped in out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a position at that time going well, there
Speaker 1: pretty much was, but we hadn't advertised that yet. It
Speaker 1: was just divine timing, divine intervention. But it's a prime example,
Speaker 1: she got a job from saying, hey, you know what
Speaker 1: I want this, I'm going to go and try and
Speaker 1: get it myself.
Speaker 3: And she was very clever in the way that she
Speaker 3: also kind of gave a time limit on it. She
Speaker 3: didn't say I'm going to work for you for free forever.
Speaker 3: She was like, this is a sample of my work,
Speaker 3: you know, let me come and do some work for
Speaker 3: you for a little while. So it's a bit like
Speaker 3: dipping your toe in the water to say, look, I'd
Speaker 3: like to try and work on an event to see
Speaker 3: if I can prove my worth and show what I do.
Speaker 3: And that's a great idea because the event is a
Speaker 3: one off. You're not saying I'm going to do all
Speaker 3: your events for the next year for free. So that
Speaker 3: was a really great way that she did that, and
Speaker 3: she did it with heart. She did it in a
Speaker 3: personalized way, so she would have talked about everything she
Speaker 3: loves about you guys when you would have read it.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what she actually wrote, but I'm
Speaker 3: sure that everything that she had in there showed that
Speaker 3: she understood who you were, what you stood for, what
Speaker 3: you valued.
Speaker 2: She got the brief, she understood the brief.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that that then ties into this whole
Speaker 1: idea around personal brand. She totally understood the brief and
Speaker 1: when she came and approached us, she obviously took a
Speaker 1: few nuggets from the podcast.
Speaker 2: And different things.
Speaker 1: But can you talk to me a little bit around
Speaker 1: what is a personal brand? How important is a personal brand,
Speaker 1: and how do we cultivate one. There's a few questions there.
Speaker 1: How do you change a personal brand too? If you
Speaker 1: had something for a while and you're like, it's not
Speaker 1: my vibe anymore.
Speaker 3: That's a great question. So your personal brand is how
Speaker 3: you showcase yourself to the world, and in a professional setting,
Speaker 3: it's obviously how you showcase yourself in a in a
Speaker 3: work environment. So a brand itself is some total of
Speaker 3: what you value and what you prioritize and then how
Speaker 3: you showed that out to the world. So keep in
Speaker 3: mind that every day of our lives we're on show.
Speaker 3: So our audience every day are our colleagues, our bosses,
Speaker 3: our clients, our customers, any other suppliers. Stakeholders are family,
Speaker 3: our friends, We a lot of audiences. And then online obviously,
Speaker 3: if you have a social media presence or an online
Speaker 3: web presence, then that's people who are going to those
Speaker 3: sites are obviously your audience as well. So when you
Speaker 3: are looking to decide what your personal professional brand should be,
Speaker 3: it all comes back to your values. So you decide
Speaker 3: what your values and your priorities are, your list of
Speaker 3: ten things, and that's how you operate, and every decision
Speaker 3: that you make, every email that you send, every conversation
Speaker 3: that you have, every report that you file needs to
Speaker 3: be in line with who you've decided to be. And
Speaker 3: if that's somebody who strives for excellence, if that's somebody
Speaker 3: who strives to be successful, if that's somebody who strives
Speaker 3: to create some wealth, then it would have all of
Speaker 3: those things in mind. People also want reliability and consistency
Speaker 3: over time. It's a bit like building a brick wall,
Speaker 3: Like every little action that you take is another brick
Speaker 3: in that wall, and over time and over the course
Speaker 3: of your career, that wall gets higher and higher and
Speaker 3: stronger and stronger. And so it's consistently conveying your values
Speaker 3: to the world through the work that you do. Well.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who you are these days, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you have a public profile or not. Everyone
Speaker 1: to a level If you have an Instagram, you have
Speaker 1: a profile and.
Speaker 2: Your brand, whether you want to admit it or not.
Speaker 1: Every time you go for a job, and what's highly
Speaker 1: likely your potential employer is going to look at your Instagram.
Speaker 2: Our Instagram's now and it's a crazy world.
Speaker 1: It's a CV, whether you make it or not, whether
Speaker 1: it's intentional or not, it's a CV. Someone's going to
Speaker 1: go and say, let me get a feel of who
Speaker 1: this person is, to see if they're going to fit,
Speaker 1: to see if they're right, to see if their public
Speaker 1: reflection is going to reflect our brand. And that is
Speaker 1: something you need to be super conscious of. So maybe
Speaker 1: if you are, you can be so bloody good at
Speaker 1: your job and you could be a wild party animal
Speaker 1: on the weekends. Maybe you put your Instagram on private
Speaker 1: when you go for a job, and it shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to be like that, But this is the world we
Speaker 1: live in. It's a fact your employee is going to
Speaker 1: have a look at who you are, and it's unfair,
Speaker 1: but people can.
Speaker 2: And will judge you before they know you. It's literally
Speaker 2: just the world we live in.
Speaker 3: I know it.
Speaker 1: And like you think, when you say that, it's like
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be discriminated against for being the people that
Speaker 1: we are. That's all true, But at the same time, like,
Speaker 1: for example, if I was going to hire a babysitter
Speaker 1: and then I could see that they're getting mounted on
Speaker 1: a Saturday night.
Speaker 2: Not the babysitter. I want, you know, one that's at
Speaker 2: home reading the book. Yes you will. If you're posting
Speaker 2: photos of you with.
Speaker 1: Sally Hepworth, that's the person I'm going to hire.
Speaker 2: I'm hiring Sally Hepworth.
Speaker 1: Actually she was a bit wild man maybe, but sex clubs.
Speaker 1: But also in this idea of personal brand, how can
Speaker 1: we cultivate a personal brand? If somebody hasn't really thought
Speaker 1: about it, If they've got their Instagram and they're like,
Speaker 1: how do I create or curate a personal brand?
Speaker 2: Where can they start?
Speaker 3: So if you're doing it on your social media and
Speaker 3: the things that you care about are let's just use
Speaker 3: an example of somebody who wanted to be a teacher.
Speaker 3: So imagine that you really wanted to become a teacher,
Speaker 3: and so you are deciding to put something on your
Speaker 3: social media, whether it's your Instagram, your LinkedIn, your Twitter,
Speaker 3: your Facebook, keep in mind to you don't need to
Speaker 3: use all of those platforms. So the best way if
Speaker 3: you're using your social media for your career, it's choose
Speaker 3: the social media platform where your audience is. And your
Speaker 3: audience are your bosses or your clients or your customers,
Speaker 3: so work out where they are and then decide which
Speaker 3: platform you need to be on. So, for example, I
Speaker 3: have a lot of sort of C suite level execs
Speaker 3: who are in their fifties and sixties, so I'm often
Speaker 3: on LinkedIn and Facebook with them. Well, so they are
Speaker 3: not watching me on TikTok, So it's kind of just
Speaker 3: choosing what platforms you need to be on. You don't
Speaker 3: need to be on every platform, and you don't even
Speaker 3: need to be posting all the time unless what you're
Speaker 3: trying to do is convey your creativity. Like if you're
Speaker 3: a graphic designer, using Instagram is the perfect way to
Speaker 3: actually show off what you can do because it's the
Speaker 3: visual medium. So work out which platforms right for you first,
Speaker 3: then decide what it is that's important to you. So
Speaker 3: if you're that teacher, obviously liking children's probably important, Liking education,
Speaker 3: likeing research, liking books, liking any kind of learning teaching,
Speaker 3: it might be something about the environment. So whatever it is,
Speaker 3: it's authentic to you, though, you don't want to manufacture
Speaker 3: some fake persona that's not who you actually are.
Speaker 2: Well, the's a prime example. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: guys saw this.
Speaker 1: It was only in the last probably month, but there
Speaker 1: was a girl, Oh I think she was from I
Speaker 1: don't know if she might be in the UK or America,
Speaker 1: but she waked for an airline. She had quite a
Speaker 1: big platform on TikTok. You know that you're nodding back.
Speaker 1: She had a big platform TikTok and part of her
Speaker 1: TikTok was sort of outing secrets of the airline and
Speaker 1: it was quite innocent and quite funny. She had a
Speaker 1: big audience. Anyway, the airline got wind of it and
Speaker 1: they sacked her. So I just think, and I don't
Speaker 1: know what happened with that. I know she fought that
Speaker 1: and got a job back. I'm pretty sure she didn't.
Speaker 1: But the idea is you are a reflection of your workplace,
Speaker 1: and these things are going to creep up and there
Speaker 1: are going to be issues. If you want to be
Speaker 1: a teacher and you post a photo that says fucking
Speaker 1: hate kids, I've never baby sit on my niece and NEPVW.
Speaker 2: Again, you're probably not going to get the job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even at every department has a HR department
Speaker 3: that has every company has a social media policy.
Speaker 2: So I'll go and speak time. We are HR, we
Speaker 2: are everything that's.
Speaker 3: Great, and everybody has a social media policy. Find out
Speaker 3: what it is. Do you research. It comes back to
Speaker 3: being prepared. So find out what the social media policy is.
Speaker 3: And then, for example, if you're at your work, if
Speaker 3: you're in an environment where they love you posting on
Speaker 3: social media and talking about what the company's up to,
Speaker 3: just double check before you post things to make sure
Speaker 3: that you're not posting something that's confidential or you're not
Speaker 3: supposed to be posting about yet like that airline.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess at the end of the day, it
Speaker 2: was a confidentiality breach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But I also thinking this, it's interesting when you said, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't need to be posting every day.
Speaker 1: I think if you haven't considered this idea that social
Speaker 1: media can be a tool for employment, that it can
Speaker 1: be a vehicle to actually help progress your career. And
Speaker 1: I don't just mean like having a work Instagram, because
Speaker 1: a lot of people will have, like you know, a
Speaker 1: brand Instagram or something else, but having consistency across both.
Speaker 1: I think something that I have definitely seen and I
Speaker 1: like happen is somebody having a brand Instagram and they're
Speaker 1: polished and perfect on their brand Instagram, but then writing
Speaker 1: nasty comments with their personal Instagram or just being a
Speaker 1: different version. It's like you don't get to separate the two.
Speaker 2: That is you, that.
Speaker 1: All ties into your personal brand. And oh I saw
Speaker 1: it recently actually on Abby Chatfield. It was a woman
Speaker 1: who was a psychologist and she wrote her Instagram as
Speaker 1: a psychologist was great, but then she'd written a really negative,
Speaker 1: quite body shaming comment and it had all been linked
Speaker 1: back and then she was outed for it on Insta
Speaker 1: And it's like that all ties into your brand, that
Speaker 1: is who you are on social media. Well, now if
Speaker 1: someone saw that, they're like, well, I'm probably not going
Speaker 1: to go to you as a psychologist.
Speaker 2: No, and that stuff.
Speaker 1: The problem with the Internet is that it's it's not
Speaker 1: just a once off. It's not something that you said
Speaker 1: to a friend that has a lifespan that goes beyond
Speaker 1: one comment. So I think that that's where we be careful.
Speaker 2: Never wipe it.
Speaker 1: You see all these people that accidentally post something online
Speaker 1: for two seconds, just takes that one person to screen
Speaker 1: grab it, and then it's on there for eternity.
Speaker 3: Consider doing a social media audit as well, because we've
Speaker 3: all now been posting on social media for a very
Speaker 3: long time. And if you were to go back all
Speaker 3: through your tweets or your posts, are you sure what's
Speaker 3: back from five years ago or ten years ago is
Speaker 3: something that you would be happy to say and happy
Speaker 3: to have out there about you now. Certainly, I've seen
Speaker 3: situations with clients where they've had hires who somebody has
Speaker 3: found out something that they've tweeted, and it was years ago,
Speaker 3: and they would have been very young when they did it,
Speaker 3: but it was quite racist and they were sacked immediately
Speaker 3: for it, and that person didn't even know it was there,
Speaker 3: like they've forgotten about it. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 3: they should never have posted it. But also times change,
Speaker 3: like back then it was border like, probably still was
Speaker 3: never right in the moment, but it certainly wasn't as
Speaker 3: bad as it is now, probably more acceptable at the
Speaker 3: time if they felt like they could post it.
Speaker 1: We've seen it play out in the media we've seen
Speaker 1: it play out with media personalities that the stuff that
Speaker 1: you say five ten years ago it still matters. And yes,
Speaker 1: people change, absolutely, but in that same essence, like that
Speaker 1: stuff it gets recorded, the internet knows, and that shit
Speaker 1: can come back and bite you in the art.
Speaker 2: I remember when we went on The Bachelor. I did that.
Speaker 1: I went through my feet, and not because there's anything
Speaker 1: like in terms of racism or things like that.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of drunk food.
Speaker 1: But they do tell you they're like, look, if there's
Speaker 1: anything that you don't want to be plasted everywhere, go
Speaker 1: and have a look. So I just thought, I wonder
Speaker 1: what there is And it wasn't too bad.
Speaker 2: It was me.
Speaker 1: It was more just like awkward photos or things like that,
Speaker 1: or ex boyfriends that maybe I don't want them brought
Speaker 1: back into it. So I did that, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: everyone that's gone on any sort of show like that
Speaker 1: has done that. And I think that's a really, really
Speaker 1: great tip for anyone going for a new employment.
Speaker 2: Have a quick look. It's you see me.
Speaker 3: People who are hiring at the moment want to make
Speaker 3: the right decision. Hiring somebody as an expensive exercise for
Speaker 3: any organization and they want to make sure they're hiring
Speaker 3: the right person, and they will absolutely do their research.
Speaker 2: So they're going back to twenty ten.
Speaker 3: They are truly they're going to MySpace.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, you would post a whole photo
Speaker 1: album from going out and getting drunk on a Saturday night,
Speaker 1: and then that was what I did. I went back
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was so drunk, and I
Speaker 1: thought that that album, Hey, fun Saturday night whatever the
Speaker 1: album title.
Speaker 2: Was, drunk being pushed down the street. It's a good
Speaker 2: idea to post on the internet. What was the thinking time.
Speaker 3: Some of it is fun, and look, you will be
Speaker 3: there will certainly be organizations. Like if I'm looking at
Speaker 3: somebody's socials, I look at it with a fairly like
Speaker 3: generous lens where I'm like, oh, well, you know they
Speaker 3: were nineteen, Well how much fun they were having? Do
Speaker 3: you know what looks like you had fun? That's great exactly.
Speaker 3: So I do think that with social media and the
Speaker 3: evolution of it, people are now probably going, well, it
Speaker 3: was a moment in time and that's not who they
Speaker 3: are now. But you know, if you're looking back a
Speaker 3: year and seeing posts that are not on brand with
Speaker 3: the company, that you're about to be representing or to
Speaker 3: your point as well, about like that psychologist who posted
Speaker 3: something awful like, I've definitely not made highers based on
Speaker 3: some of the passive aggressive behavior that I've seen people
Speaker 3: happy to do and some people do. Oh no, if
Speaker 3: that's not who I am professionally, that's just in my
Speaker 3: personal life. I do not subscribe to that same girlfriend,
Speaker 3: same thing. Like it's who you are in your personal
Speaker 3: life is who you are in your professional life. It
Speaker 3: is not jacqual and Hyde.
Speaker 1: We're lucky that like our professional life is our personal life.
Speaker 1: You guys know all our deep, dark and dirty secret.
Speaker 2: You know you know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: But Beck, You've got your book right in front of you,
Speaker 1: and I can see you have a multitude of post
Speaker 1: it notes poking out left run center. I just want
Speaker 1: to ask you, obviously you've thought the things that stand
Speaker 1: out for you or the things that people are going
Speaker 1: to get the most benefit from. Can you just tell us,
Speaker 1: as I guess a bit of a wrap up, what
Speaker 1: are the main points that you would want to drive
Speaker 1: across or what are the things that people come to
Speaker 1: you the most for.
Speaker 3: So the most is Okay, this is a few things,
Speaker 3: so sorry if they're a bit scattered. This won't be
Speaker 3: very linear, it'll be more imagine this l like a brainstorm.
Speaker 3: But all right. So the main take homes that probably
Speaker 3: underpin everything that you've got. This was about is to
Speaker 3: know what you stand for. In order to stand out,
Speaker 3: you need to know what you stand for. So know
Speaker 3: what your values are and then work out what your
Speaker 3: passions are. Ask yourself that question, if I had all
Speaker 3: the money in the world, what is it that I'd
Speaker 3: be doing? And if you can work towards that, then great.
Speaker 3: It might take time. In fact, it will take time.
Speaker 3: These overnight successes that we see all the time a
Speaker 3: minority are such a minority, it's insane. And people do
Speaker 3: think overnight success, but they don't see the hard yards
Speaker 3: that you've been doing for years beforehand. They don't see
Speaker 3: all of that work that happens behind the scenes. If
Speaker 3: you are going to start a business, prepare to work
Speaker 3: harder than you've ever worked in your entire life. That
Speaker 3: is just the nature of running your own show. But
Speaker 3: on the upside, if you are starting your own business,
Speaker 3: it is I think one of the most satisfying, fulfilling
Speaker 3: things you can do. In your career because the buck
Speaker 3: does end with you, Like you're responsible for the successes,
Speaker 3: you're responsible for the failures. But you can do it.
Speaker 3: What else would I say? I think some good things
Speaker 3: are is know that if you're going to have a
Speaker 3: great career, you want it to be sustainable. So while
Speaker 3: working twenty four to seven for a short period of
Speaker 3: time is very normal, particularly if you're first starting out,
Speaker 3: you can't do that forever. You can't do that as
Speaker 3: a marathon. You will burn out. So putting structures into
Speaker 3: your life, like getting enough sleep sounds boring, but it's
Speaker 3: so important. Like most of us, Laura, I love each other,
Speaker 3: like I have two children two years, you really have.
Speaker 3: You're in the trenches right now, like when you've got
Speaker 3: young kids. That is the hardest, hardest time of anyone's
Speaker 3: career ever and life. And it comes down to sleeping
Speaker 3: when you can, taking a nap when you can, and
Speaker 3: knowing that these days will pass and this you shall pass.
Speaker 3: That's a that's important cot in sleep, but trying to
Speaker 3: prioritize sleep, prioritize healthy lifestyles, doing some kind of fitness
Speaker 3: or movement. It doesn't have to be hard. Go for
Speaker 3: a walk, get outside, get some sunlight, eat healthy food,
Speaker 3: Eat regularly. It's so easy to just kind of forget
Speaker 3: to eat when you're working really hard, and then suddenly
Speaker 3: you get to nighttime and you kind of eat everything
Speaker 3: in the fridge at once. Really try to schedule and
Speaker 3: put it in your diary. Schedule in breakfast, lunch, dinner,
Speaker 3: put it in. It seems really boring to have these
Speaker 3: structures in place, but they are what you absolutely need
Speaker 3: to do to create great work. There is this amazing
Speaker 3: quote by a French novelist called Gustave Flobur, and he
Speaker 3: said the name isn't it amazing to paraphrase because the
Speaker 3: translation is a bit strange, But he said, be orderly
Speaker 3: and calm in your life so that you may be
Speaker 3: fierce and original in your work. And the idea is
Speaker 3: that you create these great frameworks of looking after yourself,
Speaker 3: having a healthy body and a healthy mind in order
Speaker 3: to do really creative, interesting, fascinating work that makes a
Speaker 3: different in the world.
Speaker 2: Well, we're even trying.
Speaker 1: Like something we're trying to do here at Life Uncut
Speaker 1: with all three of us employees is because, for example,
Speaker 1: Laura will be the first person to say I don't
Speaker 1: even know when the last time you did any actual exercise,
Speaker 1: because you don't have any time.
Speaker 2: But we would no, but not out me. No, no.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying part of what we want to do
Speaker 1: now is in our workday, isn't our walk. We want
Speaker 1: to start the Monday work day within our walk. And
Speaker 1: maybe we are talking on that walk like it's still
Speaker 1: a meeting, it's whatever, But we're going to put that
Speaker 1: in because I think it's really important for what you
Speaker 1: said to trying some semblance of balance.
Speaker 2: So what would be your advice for people that are.
Speaker 1: Getting I guess discouraged from failure or because it is
Speaker 1: there's a time where you want to throw it in
Speaker 1: the bin and you're like, I can't do it anymore,
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to make it.
Speaker 3: Making mistakes is a very normal part of running any
Speaker 3: kind of business, having a career where a human will
Speaker 3: always make mistakes. And one of the markers of a
Speaker 3: really successful person isn't somebody who never fails. It's somebody
Speaker 3: who makes mistakes, learns from them, and gets over them
Speaker 3: as quickly as possible, something that a lot of people like,
Speaker 3: if you've made a terrible mistake or you've had to
Speaker 3: fail and you're feeling discouraged. A lot of people end
Speaker 3: it there. They go, well, one, I can't do it, obviously,
Speaker 3: I can't do it, so that's it. Or they go
Speaker 3: that was awful, and I've lost money and I've lost time,
Speaker 3: and I've lost friends or whatever.
Speaker 2: Sanity is exactly.
Speaker 3: I'm losing my mind. And that can be really scary
Speaker 3: and it gives you a lot of anxiety. But if
Speaker 3: you can put that aside for a moment and decide again,
Speaker 3: it's very boring, But we come back to our values.
Speaker 3: If that thing that you want to do is in
Speaker 3: your values and your passions, if that's in there, you're
Speaker 3: just going to have to get back up again and
Speaker 3: do it again. The one thing you've got to do
Speaker 3: is learn from your mistake. So this is where again
Speaker 3: you come back and you be a research scientist and
Speaker 3: you do an analysis of what happened and what went wrong,
Speaker 3: and that can take time. You've got to really sit
Speaker 3: down and go, Okay, well, what was the scenario, why
Speaker 3: didn't it work? What could I do next time to
Speaker 3: make it work? Is it worth me doing it again?
Speaker 3: Do I go down that route? So you've really got
Speaker 3: to just decide whether or not you're going to do
Speaker 3: that again. But you've got to make the mistake, do
Speaker 3: the research to find out why, find out how to
Speaker 3: not do it that way again, and then just get
Speaker 3: back up and do it again.
Speaker 2: Beck, thank you so much for coming on today.
Speaker 1: You've got this is your book for anybody that needs
Speaker 1: a little bit of help going in the right direction,
Speaker 1: figuring out what they want, finding out how to get
Speaker 1: that pay rise. It's an absolutely brilliant book. Producer Keisha
Speaker 1: swears by it. They got her a job, so it's
Speaker 1: done something for someone. Beck, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming and giving us some time today and being a
Speaker 1: part of the pod.
Speaker 3: Thank you Britt and Laura, and honestly, hearing that about
Speaker 3: keisha're like, that's why you write a book. When you
Speaker 3: have somebody whose life has actually been made better because
Speaker 3: of something that you've written and shared, that's why people write.
Speaker 1: So just to finish me, one question. You've seen us online,
Speaker 1: you've heard us, name's seen us in person?
Speaker 2: How's our personal brand?
Speaker 3: You two are so on brand us.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, You know that we never finished an
Speaker 1: episode without our suck and our sweet, our highlight and
Speaker 1: our low light of each and every week. I think
Speaker 1: you guys already know what my highlight was. But anyway, Brittany,
Speaker 1: what was your highlight? Was the sex or the weaken
Speaker 1: away by yourself, or the bottle of wine or it
Speaker 1: wasn't a bottle.
Speaker 2: Of wine, it was literally a glass of wine. Just FYI,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you in a second. You can go first.
Speaker 2: What was your suck? Start with that.
Speaker 1: My suck this week is I guess it's in preparation
Speaker 1: for next week.
Speaker 2: I'm moving house next week.
Speaker 1: You're preparing for something to suck in your life. I'm preparing,
Speaker 1: like the suckers started. No moving sucks, and I've started
Speaker 1: to just go through a lot of my stuff.
Speaker 2: And I only have a one bedroom in a sun room.
Speaker 2: But it is surprising how much stuff you accumulate, Isn't
Speaker 2: it wild?
Speaker 1: How much shit that you just put into cupboards And
Speaker 1: then when I really.
Speaker 2: Have cupboards, so I'm like, where is this stuff.
Speaker 1: When you do a cleanup. If you listened to last
Speaker 1: week's episode, you'll already know this. But basically britt and
Speaker 1: I are both moving on the same day. We're doing
Speaker 1: a bit of like house shuffling. BRIT's moving into my apartment.
Speaker 1: I'm moving into a new house, and I did the
Speaker 1: cleanup of like our top cupboards, Like one of them
Speaker 1: was our medicine cabinet.
Speaker 2: There is literally pills in there, like vitamins.
Speaker 1: It's nineteen ninety seven that have been off for four years,
Speaker 1: sunscreen that's been out of date for two years. I
Speaker 1: just did this big. I find it, do you know what?
Speaker 1: I find it very cathartic to do a cleanup like this.
Speaker 1: I feel good about it. It's my sweet. Actually it's
Speaker 1: not my sweet. Okay, what's this sweet?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: My sweet is that my new co host on radio,
Speaker 1: Mitch Churry. This is gonna be the shout out. I
Speaker 1: got a knock on my door. Oh it must have
Speaker 1: been Monday night. I'd been messaging him and I said
Speaker 1: I was feeling really flat and really down and out.
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 1: He was live on air when we were talking. He
Speaker 1: was like messaging me between his breaks, and then I
Speaker 1: got a knock on the door and I got like
Speaker 1: a Leita tub of Anita's ice cream, like the most
Speaker 1: delicious ice cream that I love sent to my door,
Speaker 1: love from Mitch.
Speaker 2: So that was just so cute.
Speaker 1: He was live on air, and he's like, do you
Speaker 1: know how hard it is to order a new berresse
Speaker 1: while you're live on air?
Speaker 2: So that was definitely my sweet getting a tub of
Speaker 2: ice cream sent to my door.
Speaker 1: If you guys have listened to the radio show, which
Speaker 1: we put up on our podcast feed, it's in the
Speaker 1: Mitch is our co host on the Saturday morning show,
Speaker 1: and he's an absolute fucking angel and we love him.
Speaker 1: And I think he's trying to buy my lass that
Speaker 1: I didn't get any ice cream, but okay, well we
Speaker 1: can talk about that the other day. Down I'm sad, too,
Speaker 1: Brittany to anyone listening, I'm sad. This is my address,
Speaker 1: send me ice cream. My suck for the week, do
Speaker 1: you know what like, Apart from like working a lot,
Speaker 1: which is not a suck, like it's I feel like
Speaker 1: very accomplished that I've managed to get through so much stuff.
Speaker 1: My suck was just like I couldn't spend my weekend
Speaker 1: with the girls, like I really it sounds silly, but
Speaker 1: even just having two days away from them, I really
Speaker 1: really miss them. And when I got home, Morley was like, Mommy,
Speaker 1: where'd you go? You go to do the works, and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, to.
Speaker 2: Do the work just down the road. Mummy hasn't five
Speaker 2: hundred meters down the road. No, No, I just I
Speaker 2: love the age they both. I love spending time with them.
Speaker 1: I can't believe Lola is almost one, Like, I just
Speaker 1: feel like time is going so quickly. So I genuinely
Speaker 1: felt like I've missed spending quality time with the kids
Speaker 1: in the past week. So that's my sock and my
Speaker 1: suite for the week is that I'm moving fucking.
Speaker 2: House and Lola old what was that voice? I don't
Speaker 2: even know, but I can't tell you.
Speaker 1: Honestly, guys, Lola has been sleeping in a hallway, Like
Speaker 1: I know, we joke about it, but I'm not actually joking.
Speaker 1: Like she has slept in a hallway for her entire life.
Speaker 1: She has slept in a portercot for her entire life.
Speaker 1: And now we're finally moving to a house that has
Speaker 1: three bedrooms, we're gonna have a backyard, Like it's just
Speaker 1: everything that we have wanted to have as a little
Speaker 1: family of four, and like it's happening on Friday, So
Speaker 1: I'm super excited. I wanted to be noted that I've
Speaker 1: been telling Laura she needs to move for about eighteen months,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad you finally got there.
Speaker 2: Do you know what it is? Though?
Speaker 1: And I've realized this, I'm like, I'm weirdly a creature
Speaker 1: of habit As much as I like to do new things,
Speaker 1: I don't really like change when it comes to my
Speaker 1: space and when it comes to my routine.
Speaker 2: I really stopped your cafes the places you wore. I know.
Speaker 1: I felt the same when I was going to move
Speaker 1: to I didn't want to move suburbs because I was like,
Speaker 1: but this is what I do every morning, and this
Speaker 1: is where I go totally, and it's almost like it's
Speaker 1: it's just a safety thing and a familiarity thing. And
Speaker 1: I think also like the apartment that we live in now,
Speaker 1: even though it's just a rental, it's not something I've
Speaker 1: never felt an attachment to a home before. But like
Speaker 1: we brought both of our babies.
Speaker 2: Into the world in that apartment, you know, like we
Speaker 2: have so there. I had sex in that apartment. Now
Speaker 2: I've got to move in there far out, but I
Speaker 2: have so.
Speaker 1: Many really beautiful memories of starting a family in that apartment,
Speaker 1: and so I feel a lot more attached to it
Speaker 1: than what I think I normally ever have and so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a big thing to kind of reconcile. But
Speaker 1: I'm really really excited about this week. So Friday we
Speaker 1: are moving house, British moving house. It's all happening.
Speaker 2: And that is it from us. Guys.
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