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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: Well there we are back to work, and we come

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Speaker 2: back to work with heavy hearts as the city griefs

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Speaker 2: with what happened at Bondo Junction on Saturday. An area

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Speaker 2: you and I are both for me with we worked

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Speaker 2: in that particular building. I spent a lot of times

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Speaker 2: just wandering around. Well, that's particular space.

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Speaker 3: That's where I've always socialized. When my kids go, that's

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Speaker 3: where you hang out the more, that's where mums and

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Speaker 3: babies go, That's where that's where you live your life

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Speaker 3: a lot of the time. And this the safety and

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Speaker 3: the sanctity of that has been stripped away from us.

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Speaker 3: It's everyone's reeling.

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Speaker 2: And what I find with these things, it's usually good

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Speaker 2: just to talk about it. And originally when the tribal

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Speaker 2: Drum came to four all those years ago, it was

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Speaker 2: after September eleventh because people wanted to talk about what's

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Speaker 2: going on. And certainly that hasn't changed. And you can

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Speaker 2: call us right now if you like thirteen WSFM, like

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Speaker 2: Robert has done.

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Speaker 4: Hello rub It Hi, how you doing great?

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling Robert?

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Speaker 4: Personally, I'm actually feeling okay. But the storm that I've

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Speaker 4: got is we were going to go to the supermarket

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Speaker 4: on the Sunday morning after the event, and we exerted

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Speaker 4: some shopping for a birthday. And I have a nine

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Speaker 4: year old son who did get to see some of

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Speaker 4: the news from, you know, from what had happened, you know,

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Speaker 4: although we tried to sort of shelter him a little

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Speaker 4: bit away from that. But his words were when we

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Speaker 4: said we were going to go to the shopping center,

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Speaker 4: was I don't want to go to the shopping center.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to get stabbed.

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Speaker 3: I think you're probably not the only parent who's dealing

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Speaker 3: with that, Robert. We are going to be talking to

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Speaker 3: Joe Lamble today. She's a psychologist about exactly this, about

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Speaker 3: how we help our children navigate their fear about going

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Speaker 3: outside again and to the main community area the shopping center.

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Speaker 3: It's tough. Thank you, Robert, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Robert. Rebecca has joined us as well.

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Speaker 3: I Rebecca, Hi, how are you going?

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Speaker 5: How are we? Yeah? I'm okay. So what my feelings

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Speaker 5: are I don't want taken in a negative way. But

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Speaker 5: he was obviously targeting women, as we know, which is horrific,

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Speaker 5: devastating for everyone. But I can't say I can't really

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Speaker 5: find the right word. It's not that I find solace

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Speaker 5: or I find it kind of a bit fitting that

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Speaker 5: it was a female that ended the whole situation. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: when he was targeting females and for me as a female,

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Speaker 5: I found it kind of yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it almost felt like a movie script, didn't it's

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Speaker 3: a solo female police officer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we forget police are people as well, but

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Speaker 2: they have to make the decision when it counts. But

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Speaker 2: then you look at the two different fields of policing.

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Speaker 2: You had that guy that tased the old lady down

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Speaker 2: at the nursing home. You know what, where's his thought

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Speaker 2: process when he did that, compared to this copper here

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Speaker 2: who has stepped up at the right time, made the

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Speaker 2: right decision. So a lot of us think our police,

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Speaker 2: you know, you've just got to do that job. But

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Speaker 2: there is a decision that you have to make it.

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Speaker 2: And there was a point where she said drop it,

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Speaker 2: he didn't drop it, and he shot her or she

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Speaker 2: shot hit and rather and that's how it works.

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Speaker 3: And then had to race to try and resuscitate him

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Speaker 3: because that is what the training is as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the extraordinary scenes and what an extraordinary police officer she

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Speaker 3: is and Caitlin's with us.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Caitlin, good morning, jointing Amanda.

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Speaker 3: How are you going?

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Speaker 6: Oh I'm coping. I wasn't anywhere near.

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Speaker 1: But one thing I did want to bring up. There's

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Speaker 1: been a quite a bit of research which has happened

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Speaker 1: around playing Tetris after from what traumatic events he stopped,

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Speaker 1: or to reduce the long term impact on people Tetris

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Speaker 1: Cris tetris.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. So the idea is that it's you're still within

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Speaker 6: the window where it's going to help. But the idea

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Speaker 6: is that you after something really bad happens, you play

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Speaker 6: a game of Tetris and the process of playing Tetris

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Speaker 6: helps your brain process it in a way that helps

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Speaker 6: reduce the chance of it becoming PTSD or becoming one

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Speaker 6: of those really bad care memories which you know sneaks

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Speaker 6: expect it.

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Speaker 3: It's really interesting.

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Speaker 6: So, yeah, it came out of a Swedish medical institute,

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Speaker 6: has been worked on by people at Oxford. There's now

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Speaker 6: they're now doing studies at the Queen's University in Belfast

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Speaker 6: looking at trying to help parents whose kids end up

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Speaker 6: in MIKU because they end up with a lot of

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Speaker 6: trauma from their experiences. So for people in Sydney, whether

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Speaker 6: you were there or not, if it's probably a good

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Speaker 6: idea to go online. There are free Tetris well Tetris

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Speaker 6: X esque games around. Play a couple of rounds just

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Speaker 6: to help your brain figure out the craziness that we've

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Speaker 6: been through, because you know, this is an entire population trauma.

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Speaker 6: And whilst it's no substitute for if you're really feeling it,

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Speaker 6: going to see a psychologist or talking to Lifeline or

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Speaker 6: Beyond Blue, it's a small step which costs you nothing

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Speaker 6: apart from time, which can actually help your brain end

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Speaker 6: up in a better place than it would be otherwise.

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Speaker 3: Caitlyn, that is so interesting. Thank you. And as Caitlin says,

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Speaker 3: if you do need help with Lifeline, Kids Helpline, Beyond

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Speaker 3: Blue all those numbers or on our social media, is that.

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Speaker 2: Why you play word all all the time?

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Speaker 3: Well, I wonder if it's interesting though she said that

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Speaker 3: Tetris in particular, there's something about how you process that

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Speaker 3: that helped you.

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Speaker 2: Brian, thank you for all your cools