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Speaker 1: I can highly recommend this week's Four Corners episode called

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Speaker 1: The Silence, which I know you've watched as well, which

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Speaker 1: is about the fact, fascinating fact that there's never been

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Speaker 1: an AFL player presently playing or even since playing AFL

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Speaker 1: that has come out as publicly game.

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Speaker 2: I had no idea until that was like the early line,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, what a couple of days after

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Speaker 2: Matilda is when we've seen how inclusive a sport can be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I first turned on out of interest because

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, no, that's weird that that's

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Speaker 1: never happened, But it actually made me feel kind of

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Speaker 1: sad that there's still in twenty twenty three in area

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Speaker 1: of society that is overly masculine, and this is a

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Speaker 1: sport that I love so much, to the point where

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Speaker 1: people don't feel safe to come out and be who

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Speaker 1: they are. My brother's boyfriend is in the documentary. He

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Speaker 1: was one of the Yeah, he was one of the

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Speaker 1: first footballers at any level, at amateur level to publicly

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Speaker 1: come out.

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine the courage to do that. You

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Speaker 2: think about now, there's no openly gay football players, whereas

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Speaker 2: the NRL is very different isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it actually points to every sport

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Speaker 1: in the world, essentially.

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Speaker 2: Code in the world with no openly gay players.

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Speaker 1: Why is that so? Jason, who's my Jason Ball is

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Speaker 1: his name. He was the first player at any level

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Speaker 1: to come out as gay while he was playing footy,

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Speaker 1: and he started this thing called the Pride Cup at

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Speaker 1: at Glenn Footy Club. I've been down to the Pride

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Speaker 1: Cup rounds and they're amazing, and he's trying to advocate

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Speaker 1: for a whole Pride round because I think it is

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Speaker 1: a shame that there's I mean, the documentary essentially says

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Speaker 1: there are gay players, and there were gay players throughout

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Speaker 1: he's in.

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Speaker 2: The e PL. I mean, it's not an abundance of

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Speaker 2: openly gay players in the EPL because the same reason

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Speaker 2: why they don't feel they can And I didn't want

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Speaker 2: you to think and look, it's not something where we

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Speaker 2: should know everybody's sexuality. It's a very private thing. Choice,

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Speaker 2: but it's the choice, and that choices where I don't

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Speaker 2: feel safe online and in the stands from the fans

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Speaker 2: and the other situations or potential sponsors, like that's a

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Speaker 2: horrific that's really, really embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: And then if you look at the Women's World Cup,

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Speaker 1: the Matilda's you look at the AFL, you.

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Speaker 2: See Sam Kirk kissing her girlfriend and it's okay.

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Speaker 1: And love to see it.

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Speaker 2: For young boys and girls, it's great to see that

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Speaker 2: you can express yourself however you want, if you choose

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Speaker 2: to be, you don't have to keep it secret or

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Speaker 2: be shame around it and stuff like that. That's what

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Speaker 2: I was watching thinking, I wonder how many young boys

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Speaker 2: and girls who love foot in this country see that,

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Speaker 2: know that and think it's there's something shameful about it

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Speaker 2: that you can't fully express yourself in certain places in

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Speaker 2: the world. It's a really really it's an amazing documentary.

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Speaker 2: There are Brot McLean speaks really really well about it.

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Speaker 2: Jack and I once met in a pizza restaurant, Ands

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Speaker 2: and Kilda and the other person who always comes across

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Speaker 2: with real heart and soul, but really in this is

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Speaker 2: Bob Murphy.

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Speaker 1: He's brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Seriously the AFL. I'm so glad that he's in a

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Speaker 2: management role right now for the Freeo Doctors. But there

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Speaker 2: is a bigger role for Bob within the AFL actually,

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Speaker 2: because that man speaks so well about it, Yes, four corners,

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Speaker 2: the silence. We cannot recommend enough