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Speaker 1: Hates well and morning. I hope you having a great Friday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: We've got a very very special guest in Chloe Pink

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Speaker 1: who joins us in the studio right now. Chloe is

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Speaker 1: married to North Melbourne Football Club in the AFL's Toby

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Speaker 1: Pink and Chloe joins in the studio right now to

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Speaker 1: talk about something that she went through recently that we

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Speaker 1: think categorically sucks and so she's need to try and

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Speaker 1: make things better for everybody else going forward. Chloe, welcome

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Speaker 1: to Willam Woodie.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Guys, I appreciate the platform

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Speaker 2: to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to talk us through? So you had

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Speaker 3: a secret wedding to your now husband, Toby. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: that was back in March. Yeah, first lead, congrats.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, look beautiful by the way, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Where was it?

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Speaker 1: Where was it exactly?

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Speaker 2: We went to the wedding registry, so just the office

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Speaker 2: right next to the Treasury Guarden.

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Speaker 1: We're on the steps out of the front there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we just went there and then we had

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Speaker 2: a long table dinner at Bosley Bar and Restaurant, which

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Speaker 2: is beautiful by the way, if you need a recommendation.

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Speaker 2: We had a long table dinner.

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Speaker 1: There you to join the marketing team.

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Speaker 2: Here, I'm getting paid to say that.

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Speaker 1: I got a wedding for free now.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, we kept it on the down low and

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Speaker 2: didn't tell anyone else. We've been together for over seven years.

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Speaker 3: And then fast forward a few months. So fast forward

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Speaker 3: to a couple of days ago. There's a news article

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Speaker 3: written about the fact that you and Toby got married.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so Jackie from harold Son, she reached out

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Speaker 2: to me and said, are you okay we do an

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Speaker 2: article on your wedding. It was really beautiful and I said,

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Speaker 2: of course, like that sounds lovely. That article went live,

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Speaker 2: and from the back end of that article is when

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Speaker 2: I guess put it up. In this situation, there was

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Speaker 2: a lot of viral comments coming hard and fast, all

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Speaker 2: about my appearance, all about my weight. There were comments

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Speaker 2: calling me a fridge, comments saying that Toby was a

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Speaker 2: AFL player by day, peak hunter by night. Yeah, there

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Speaker 2: was the comments that genuinely shocked me, not even just

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Speaker 2: calling me fat like that was really vile comments. And

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Speaker 2: they were not just one or two I think, yeah

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Speaker 2: it was. It was it's been a hard, hard week,

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Speaker 2: not just one or two either. There were so many

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Speaker 2: and Harold Son did what they could, like they were

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Speaker 2: deleting the comments, and eventually they had to turn off

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Speaker 2: the comments. But it was it was I'd never experienced

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Speaker 2: anything like it, and I guess I it was a

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Speaker 2: bit naive, and I know that I'm going to get

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Speaker 2: a hate comment. I know that someone's going to call

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Speaker 2: me fat, but it didn't expect it to this extent.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that? Did you know that? Sorry just

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Speaker 1: to because he said I knew that I was going

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Speaker 1: to get a comment on someone's good So Jackie calls

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Speaker 1: you in the harold Son. Probably a lot of people's dream. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they want to put your photo in the paper of

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Speaker 1: you marrying your beautiful man.

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Speaker 3: Of probably one of the best days of your life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was going to happen. And then at the

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Speaker 1: same time you're saying, in the back of your mind

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Speaker 1: was also a thought where you were like, I know

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Speaker 1: someone's going to call me fat publicly in these photos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know.

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Speaker 1: How did you know?

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Speaker 2: Because I've been to another event where my photo's been posted.

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Speaker 2: I've also received one or two comments about the way

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Speaker 2: that I look. But I didn't expect it to be

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Speaker 2: to the extent that it was. I expected one or

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Speaker 2: two comments, and I can take that, which I shouldn't

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Speaker 2: have to. I know that someone out there is going

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Speaker 2: to say I look fat, but I did not expect

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Speaker 1: And how did you think you looked on your wedding day?

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Speaker 2: I had a hard conversation actually with a close family member,

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Speaker 2: and I said, my wedding day was the first day

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Speaker 2: where I've actually felt truly beautiful and makes my mom

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Speaker 2: My mom's been crying a week because she said, She's like,

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Speaker 2: you looked beautiful. She said, you felt beautiful, and I

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Speaker 2: truly did. Thank you. Even when I uploaded the photos,

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Speaker 2: I didn't question if I looked fat. I didn't question

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Speaker 3: So when these comments start coming through, how did you

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Speaker 2: So I read the comments and I just spent I

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Speaker 2: think three days straight crying home. Initially, Toby's like, no way,

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Speaker 2: for like a good day, and he's like, I am

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Speaker 2: so sorry, And it felt like he was apologizing to

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Speaker 2: me because I was saying, oh, it's just I was

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Speaker 2: crying and it really hurt. But in the back of

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Speaker 2: my mind, I kept saying, it's just part of his job.

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Speaker 2: It's just part of his job. It's fine, it's just

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Speaker 2: part of his job. But the more I reflect on that,

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Speaker 2: it's not it's not. And if I say that, I'm

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Speaker 2: excusing your behavior.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we want to get to how we can

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Speaker 1: do better about this. Yeah, all those, We've got a song,

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Speaker 1: and we've got more with Chloe Pink right up next

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Speaker 1: here on will and what he By the way, I

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Speaker 1: should mention if any of this brought up any emotions

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Speaker 1: of body image, then reach out to the Butterfly Foundation

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Speaker 1: on wait one hundred double three four six seven three.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about how he can get better. So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I said this to you in the

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Speaker 1: song You're doing so like it's incredible that you're in

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Speaker 1: here talking about this, Like I think if I read

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Speaker 1: anything about myself like that, I'd be dead and buried,

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Speaker 1: that is really really tough.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So you're in this situation where really the issue here

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Speaker 1: is an expectation that we have of how women should be.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the expectation is and how would

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Speaker 1: you like it to change.

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Speaker 2: I think there's women in general, especially professional athletes partners.

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Speaker 2: I think there's an expectation that you have to be

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Speaker 2: a certain size. But if I say that, I could

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Speaker 2: be a SI six and I would still get hate comments.

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Speaker 2: So some people, unfortunately, and unfortunately I know it's not

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Speaker 2: all men, but it tends to be a man. Of course,

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Speaker 2: they think they have and think they can have an

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Speaker 2: really deep rooted within themselves. I don't think someone asked

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Speaker 3: Helping the thought almost, isn't it. Yeah, let's go to

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Speaker 3: stage one here, because I don't want people to get

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Speaker 3: to think that you could look at someone's happiest day,

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Speaker 3: which is their winning day, and focus on that part,

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Speaker 3: which is your appearance. That's the bit that you want

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Speaker 3: to change. But I don't know how you begin to

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Speaker 3: change that, Like is it the way we talk to kids?

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Speaker 2: Chloe, Toby and I have been having some really hard conversations,

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Speaker 2: especially in Adelaide at the moment, but we had a

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Speaker 2: FaceTime and I said, how do we do better and

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Speaker 2: how do we stop this? And Toby's first point was,

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Speaker 2: we need to teach our children better. We need to

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Speaker 2: stop talking about people's bodies. Talk about what their bodies

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Speaker 2: can do, not what they look like. Another one is

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Speaker 2: our grandparents. I often find and especially with all those comments,

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Speaker 2: unfortunately it was older man, which it's the truth. It sucks,

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Speaker 2: it's an uncomfortable conversation, but it was. And I think

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Speaker 1: We just it really carries the weight of the world.

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Speaker 2: Correct, correct, And we just say, oh, that's who it is,

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Speaker 2: that's just that generation. Yeah, but I think that's another

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Speaker 2: opportunity for doing better is calling that out. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: very uncomfortable. I can't imagine calling out my grandparents. Very uncomfortable,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Woods and I've both got little girls. My

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Speaker 1: I've got a big belly now as well, you know.

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Speaker 2: You're not naturally going to say, oh, your belly is

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Speaker 2: not naturally going to say children. And that was the

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Speaker 2: TikTok actually is being great. I uploaded my TikTok I

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Speaker 2: have a filter on, and it's all like nasty words

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Speaker 2: my TikTok and I have like hundreds of comments there

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Speaker 2: to review because they have those words.

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Speaker 1: It saved them for that. Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Picked it out. Yeah, which has been great because if

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Speaker 2: I want to go review them, I mentally prepare myself. Well,

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Speaker 2: if I don't want to read them, I don't even.

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Speaker 1: Have to have a little cool I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we're very old.

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Speaker 3: We're not on TikTok either, was I actually to reason?

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, Yes, ninety nine percent of my response has

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Speaker 2: been from women, but only one percent has been from men. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: one percent, ninety nine percent women. And I was having

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Speaker 2: the conversation with my husband as well, and it's up

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Speaker 2: to us men to call it out. It's not going

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Speaker 2: to stop if the men are not calling it out.

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Speaker 2: And he openly admitted, he said, I need to do better. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I support you at home, great, but publicly I struggle.

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Speaker 2: I struggle with it.

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Speaker 1: A football club, that's right, the he being and amongst that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: all the times played football his whole life, Toby. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in amongst top level football, that is breeding ground for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he wanted me to call that out as well,

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Speaker 2: he said, And I know he loves me for my

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Speaker 2: parents as well, like it's it's not just about who

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Speaker 2: I am, but he loves my appearance. And he said,

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Speaker 2: we need to do better, and he said, we need

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Speaker 2: we need more men. Unfortunately, guys, sorry, I need you

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Speaker 2: to call it.

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Speaker 1: Out you here as well. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Great job, and congrats again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. We went to we went away for one night,

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Speaker 2: but post season, I need a honeymoon.

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Speaker 1: Stop planning, Chloe will and what do you Chloe? Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for coming in.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks guys