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Speaker 1: Daylight Saving has officially ended as of this morning. Do

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Speaker 1: you know what that means?

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Speaker 2: It gets darker earlier.

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Speaker 1: That is one part of it, which we are about

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Speaker 1: to explain in the pod. But the most important thing

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Speaker 1: is that most of us, depending on what state or

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Speaker 1: This is the Daily OS. Oh now it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Sunday,

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Speaker 1: the weeks of April.

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Speaker 2: I'm billyfit Simon's, I'm Zara Seidler.

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Speaker 1: We are here, bright and early on a Sunday morning,

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Speaker 1: bringing you another bonus episode because it is a course,

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Speaker 1: a very special day. If you're woken up this morning

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Speaker 1: thinking Wow, what a beautiful morning, the sun is shining

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Speaker 1: and I've woken up earlier than I usually do, well,

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Speaker 1: that's because daylight saving has officially ended. Now it is

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Speaker 1: one of two times during the year that clocks change,

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Speaker 1: but this one is the good one because it's when

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Speaker 1: the clocks go backwards and you gain an extra hour

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Speaker 1: of sleep. Today, we're going to explain to you why

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Speaker 1: we actually have daylight saving in the first place, and

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Speaker 1: answer the questions that you've probably thought about over the

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Speaker 1: years but you've never actually known the answers to. And

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Speaker 1: just a quick note before we get started that this

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Speaker 1: episode is sponsored by Koala, who care about making sure

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Speaker 1: that you are getting a very good night's sleep, but

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Speaker 1: they have had no editorial influence over the content that

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Speaker 1: we are sharing in today's podcast.

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Speaker 2: Billy, I think you're the only person in the whole

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Speaker 2: of Australia who has referred to daylight saving ending as

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Speaker 2: the good one of the post.

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Speaker 1: Do you mean days get shorter, Yeah, but we gain

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Speaker 1: an extra hour of sleep.

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Speaker 2: In the dark.

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Speaker 1: I am one of those weird people and it's taken

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Speaker 1: me many years to come to terms with the fact

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Speaker 1: that I think I am finally confident enough to admit

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Speaker 1: that I like winter. I think I'd prefer it more than.

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Speaker 3: I her.

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Speaker 1: I know, I feel like I will be shunned by

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Speaker 1: society for saying that, but actually I like that it's

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Speaker 1: darker in the afternoons, and I'm finally not sorry about it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, if you means shunned by society, meaning shunned

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Speaker 2: by me, correct dead to me. Anyway, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: this podcast. So obviously we're talking about the clocks changing.

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Speaker 2: We're going into a different season. How does the end

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Speaker 2: of daylight saving affect something like your sleep? Because I

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Speaker 2: have a partner who, for three weeks after clocks change,

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Speaker 2: will tell me every night that he's had an extra

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Speaker 1: He's right, basically, I mean it was only this morning,

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Speaker 1: few days after. Definitely. So when the clocks go back

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Speaker 1: it's the good ones. Okay, so obviously we all just

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Speaker 1: gained this extra hour of sleep, which is a positive

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Speaker 1: usually those positive effects do last for a couple of days,

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Speaker 1: but they do then subside. But also during winter, we

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Speaker 1: so that means that we do go to bed earlier

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Speaker 1: and usually we're getting longer nights sleep, which is a

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Speaker 1: great thing. Again, it's when we lose an hour of

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Speaker 1: sleep when daylight saving. I always want to say daylight savings, but.

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Speaker 2: It's actually, honestly that the most complex part of this hour.

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Speaker 1: But so when daylight saving begins again, that's when it's

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Speaker 2: Okay, So really, I mean that all makes sense to me.

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Speaker 2: I think the one thing that perhaps doesn't make a

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Speaker 1: Wait, I have to interrupt you quickly because I remember

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Speaker 1: And I would like I can't help you out. I

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Speaker 1: would like to know if anyone's been at a club

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Speaker 1: we still call it a club not shot nightclub? I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. Maybe it sounds really triocky, but do

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Speaker 1: you get an extra hour at the nightclub when daylight

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's where your brain went. My brain w to

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Speaker 2: healthcare workers who are doing overnight shifts.

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Speaker 1: And you're a much better person than me.

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Speaker 2: No, it's because I remember talking to someone once about

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Speaker 2: whether or not you get paid for the extra hour

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Speaker 1: I don't remember what the answer. Wait, that's such an

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Speaker 2: They must they must, I mean, let us know. Please,

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Speaker 2: if you're a healthcare worker, if you get paid an

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Speaker 1: And forget about the nightclub question. Now I feel like

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm just going to segue and move forward from

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Speaker 2: there to the thing I think we're all thinking about, Billy,

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Speaker 2: why do we have daylight saving?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's all got to do with the Earth's rotation. So,

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Speaker 1: shout out to mister Ronaldson, the sun rises and sets

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Speaker 1: because of that movement that it means that there are

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Speaker 1: times that we get less sunshine. Now, daylight saving is

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Speaker 1: and that's because of daylight saving that they can do that.

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Speaker 1: But then in April, what we had this morning, that's

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Speaker 1: So we're no longer in the daylight saving period.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so if we didn't change the clocks, it would

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Speaker 1: It's so tack.

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Speaker 1: If we didn't do this every April, by the time

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Speaker 2: Very Scandinavian now, apart from us obviously enjoying the sun

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Speaker 2: for longer in summer, that isn't actually why it started, though, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Started for a different reason. It started to help energy usage.

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Speaker 1: So interesting, so interesting, I only just learned about this.

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Speaker 1: So it was first popularized as a way to conserve

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Speaker 1: that started in Europe during World War One. Australia soon

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Speaker 1: and then it dropped it in peacetime. But then the

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Speaker 2: You said there that most other regions followed suit after

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Speaker 2: Tazzi went first. But daylight saving isn't a thing in

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Speaker 1: No, So it's not in Queensland, WA, or the Northern

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Speaker 1: held four failed referendums over the years on daylight saving

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Speaker 1: no to daylight saving. And for farmers, daylight saving can

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Speaker 2: So I've heard this a lot before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we know that for cows, for example, daylight

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Speaker 1: schedule is changing, and it really disrupts their natural cycles

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Speaker 1: different work all of these make for really different ideas

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Speaker 1: I really liked this one quote that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: in summertime, the two things that one would not want

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Speaker 2: Every time I check, it's just stalled there. So look,

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Speaker 2: no one can agree. Of course, Australia is such a

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Speaker 2: But now I understand a little more about daylight saving.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much, Billy, thank you, and a

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Speaker 2: massive thank you to Kohala for making this episode possible.

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Speaker 2: We will of course be back with our deep dive

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Speaker 2: tomorrow morning, but until then, enjoy the shorter.

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Speaker 1: Day, enjoy the extra hours of sleep.

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Speaker 3: There you go, all a matter of perspective, my name

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Speaker 3: is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda bunge Lung

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Speaker 3: Kalgotin woman from Gadigal Country. The Daily oz acknowledges that

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Speaker 3: this podcast is on the lands of the Gadigal people

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Speaker 3: and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Straight Island

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