1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. You're dose of the hottest 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Amy 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: and Sophie. On today's show, Jordan Simmy is forced to 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: apologize after being accused of being racist against his own people. 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Rheese Hawkins reunites with the kids he shares with Tammy, Hembro, 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: math's cheating scandal or publicity stunt, and the latest update 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: on influencers abroad. 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 2: Just before we. 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: Get into the show, we would like to dedicate this 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: podcast to our good friend Adam Coles, who we lost 12 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: three years ago. Now, things got a little bit juicy 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: last week when influencer Madison Woolly revealed on her podcast 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: that she was forced to return an item her ex boyfriend, 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: Jonathan Souer, had left at her house. 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: Now we are. 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: Assuming this is Jonathan, she said, her ex boyfriend, and 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: she does like to touch on him. 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: A lot in the podcast. 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, putting two and two together. She's had two 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: past relationships, one guy from Noosa and one guy in Sydney, 22 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: and she mentioned that she had to drop it off 23 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: at his apartment so I'm fairly certain it was Jonathan Sower. 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: It did crack me, It did crack me up what 25 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: the item was, because generally you think with most boyfriends, 26 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: maybe it's some old clothes, some smelly socks, but this 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: was a hair drier. Now, my boyfriend doesn't even know. Judgment, 28 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: no judgment. If you do, do you reckon? It was 29 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: that the Dyson hair dryer or something. Well, Madison was 30 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: sponsored by Dyson, but I'm pretty sure that was her, 31 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I haven't seen her using it recently, 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: so who knows. I did have a little chuckle because 33 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: I feel like Jonathan Sower would be someone who uses 34 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: a hair dryer. He just comes across as very high maintenance. Well, 35 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: he is very well put together, and from the discussion, 36 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: I feel like he demanded this hair dryer back. Yeah, 37 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: because apparently she and her best friend Caitlin, who also 38 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: hosts the podcast, they drove over to his apartment and 39 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: instead of knocking on the door, leaving the outther front, 40 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: or having a civil conversation with him, Madison decided to 41 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: put it over his fence, throw it over the fence, 42 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: and well, she said, said, she held the cord, she 43 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: held the cord and then they basically dropped it, I think, 44 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: and ran away. I hope it wasn't a dice, and 45 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: then she might be up for the bill. Have you 46 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: guys had an experience like this where you've had to 47 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: hand over items to an ex. I think my ex 48 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: boyfriend was planning the breakup for a while, so he 49 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: actually didn't leave any of his items at my house. However, 50 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: the week he broke up with me, he did make 51 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: sure he sent me money that he owed me. 52 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: For a holiday. That should have been alarm bells ringing, like, 53 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: why is he paying this back now? 54 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: At least he did pay you back, because there's nothing 55 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: worse than having to chase that money from someone like 56 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: an ex. I was annoyed because my breakup was a 57 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: little bit of a tricky one. I was living in 58 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: Melbourne then came back to Adelaide during the holidays, so 59 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: I had left stuff at my ex boyfriend's house and 60 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: I had left this really cool ceramic pineapple holder. It 61 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: was rather expensive. It sounds quite hideous and was very 62 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: cool at the time, a pineapple handle holder. It was 63 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: really cool. It was expensive as well anyway, so this 64 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: breakup kind of got dragged out for probably six months 65 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: to a year. 66 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. 67 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: It was one of those on again, off again relationships, 68 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: and I never got it back, and I kept saying 69 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: where is it? And he said he threw it in 70 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: the bin, which really pissed me off. Don't think it's 71 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: a bit of a fuck you though, when people hand 72 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: back your stuff, because there's either two yeah, there's either 73 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: two motives, Like one is just to be a dickhead 74 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: about it, and the other is to try and get 75 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: back with the person. 76 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: You know, you drop off the bike. 77 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: Just I know it's not his possessions. But I actually 78 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: sold all of the I mean, he rarely gave me gifts, 79 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: but the few gifts he gave me, I sold a 80 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: marketplace in God that felt good. I can just tell 81 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: after this little segment that we're going to get so 82 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: many messages in it in box saying my boyfriend uses 83 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: a hair dryer. Okay, your boyfriend uses a hair dryer, 84 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: but it's to dry his body, not his hair. Yeah, 85 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: so he definitely doesn't have a dice. And we bought 86 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: like a five dollars Kmart hair dryer and it's used 87 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: when he gets out of the shower. And I use 88 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: it as well. It's actually pretty good Dale. I mean 89 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: we do have heat as well. All Dale doesn't even 90 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: own a combe. 91 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: Shout out to South Aukland, where you'd look at like, 92 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: you know, because he was an all girls school there. 93 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 4: You look at it, you like, is that a girl. 94 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Influencer Jordan Simmy, who's best known for dating Sammy Robinson 95 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: and also making a PowerPoint presentation for Isabelle Clark, created 96 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: headlines last week when his podcast went viral for all 97 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: the wrong reasons. 98 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 2: Sophie, What Happened Well. 99 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: On the latest episode of his podcast, called Grouse and 100 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: a Few Reds, the topic of New Zealand girls came up. 101 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 5: Now. 102 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: Jordan, who is Samoan and originally from South Auckland, described 103 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: New Zealand women as not looking nice compared to UK women, 104 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: who he described as the cream of the crop. He 105 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: then wanted to say, shout out to South Auckland where 106 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: there was an all girls school there and you would 107 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: look at them and think, is that a girl? This 108 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: statement was followed by roars of laughter from his two 109 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: male co hosts. Jordan then revealed that he was referring 110 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: to McCaulay High School, which is the only all girls 111 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: school in South Auckland. Now, what makes matters even worse 112 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: is that mcaulay is a school with very limited resources 113 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: and the majority of families come from low income households. Now, Amy, 114 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: can you tell us about the backlash that has occurred 115 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: since this podcast aired? 116 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 5: Yeah? 117 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: Will content create it? 118 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: Drew Afaualo, who is known for her comedy videos, hit 119 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: back at Jordan, posting a video to her seven point 120 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: two million TikTok followers where she accused him of being 121 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: racist towards his own people. 122 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: Here's part of what Drew said. 123 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 5: For those of you that may be a little confused, 124 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 5: this is a someone man on his own podcast. Oh 125 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 5: right there, right there, jail immediately. He's originally from South 126 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 5: Auckland but has recently moved to you guessed it, Australia. 127 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 5: He goes on this rant about a school that's primarily 128 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 5: attended by someone women and as I mentioned earlier, this 129 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 5: bitch is also someone. Then he goes on a rant 130 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 5: and says they're big, manly and disgusting and says it's 131 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 5: embarrassing to see them out in public and in Irlava love, which, 132 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 5: for those of you who don't know it's a traditional 133 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 5: Simon goman that both men and women wear. By the way, 134 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 5: you fucking bitch, this is my thing about someone men 135 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 5: being racist towards their own people. 136 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 2: Has your mom seen this? 137 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: What a clapback by Drew? Her laugh is iconic. It's infectious, 138 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: isn't it? 139 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: It really is so. 140 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: Hundreds of Drew's fans took to the comments section of 141 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: this video, and one said good things, Samoan women are 142 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: some of the strongest and sassiest women I know, while 143 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: another wrote, laughing at us of yes, guarantee his mum 144 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: is gonna see this. A South Auckland journalist called Marina 145 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: Fagavia Mulla was the first to bring the video to 146 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: the attention of TikTok when he posted a reaction to 147 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: Jordan's comments. Marena captioned the video it's expected when we're 148 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: stereotyped by others, but our own do better. Here's a 149 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: snippet of what Marina said. 150 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 6: Ah, that video made my blood boy and all this 151 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 6: someone who was born, raised and currently still lives in 152 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 6: South Auckland. Yeah, let's talk about that all girls school 153 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 6: in South Aukland because they may be built like men, 154 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 6: or that it doesn't fit the Eurocentric standard of beauty, 155 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 6: does it? And those taro calves still step on your 156 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 6: forearm again and again and again until that superficial sound 157 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 6: one to tell that's on THEA comes off. 158 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: Marena then said he wanted to give the school a 159 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: proper shout out and explain that the McCauley High had 160 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: recently won a Prime Minister's Award for academic excellence. He 161 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: said the school beat out better resourced, white, richer schools 162 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: across the country. Now, following the video, which went viral 163 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: and attracted two hundred thousand views, Jordan hit up the 164 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: comment section, claiming that the podcast segment was a joke. 165 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: Jordan wrote, Holy Jesus, it was a joke. I say 166 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: a lot of positive things about where I came from 167 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: in essay, you just come across the one time I 168 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: had a joke around. As Marener pointed out, while Jordan 169 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: may have previously spoken positively about his hometown, it only 170 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: takes one time for him to speak negatively about his 171 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: community for stereotypes be formed. And Marena then went on 172 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: to say that women's bodies are not a joke, let 173 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: alone that of a minor and for those who don't know. 174 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: Jordan is the father of two. 175 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: Samoan girls, and Marener pointed out in his clap back 176 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: that as a father, how would Jordan feel if someone 177 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: made the same comments about his two young daughters. Yeah, exactly, well, 178 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: Jordan and his co host Jackson Thomas released a twenty 179 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: minute apology as a standalone episode and also reached out 180 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: to Mariner and mcaulay High School to apologize for reinforcing 181 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: negative stereotypes about South Auckland, and during the apology, Jordan 182 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: broke down in tears. 183 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: Here's a snippet of what he said. 184 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 4: I am a proud someone. I love South Aukland. 185 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: I fucking hate that I've you know, I've let my own, 186 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: my own people down, my family and my friends, and 187 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: was tasteless. 188 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 4: It was it was hurtful, and you forget that. 189 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: You know, a lot of a lot of females from 190 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 3: McCauley High School reached out to me from the past, 191 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 3: you know, and told me about situations that they had 192 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: been and from going to that school, and even you 193 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: know an article that I wrote, sorry read on the 194 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 3: high school and what some of the girls had been 195 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: through in the past and what they were called and 196 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 3: you know, for me to put that out there on 197 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 3: a bigger platform and say that from myself, you know, 198 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: was really tasteless and hurtful. 199 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 4: The fact that I've looked it looks. 200 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: Like I'm frowning down upon my own people and culture. 201 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 4: It really hurts. 202 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 3: And and you know, I've spoken to a lot of 203 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 3: family members back home, and you know they're not they're 204 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 3: not proud of me in regards to you know, shitting 205 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: on where you come from. 206 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean I regret it. 207 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: I think everyone can tell in that apology by the 208 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: tone of his voice and also the fact that he 209 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: did break down in tears how genuinely sorry he is. 210 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: I mean, he touched on the fact that a lot of. 211 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: People in his community and his family who still live 212 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: in South Auckland have reached out to him and told 213 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: him how disappointed they are, and that would be a 214 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: very big peal. 215 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: To swallow for him. 216 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: I think also the fact that he is a very 217 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: proud mental health advocate would also hit him hard, because 218 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: he said that he created his podcast to uplift people 219 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: and help people with depression, So he said, for him 220 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: to inflict hurt and also remind people of really sad 221 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: times that they went through during school. 222 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: It's really taking its toll on him. 223 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: Look, he did sound genuinely sorry, but it does make 224 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: me question is it just because he's been called out? 225 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: Because podcasts went through the editing process, no one flagged 226 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: that that comment could have been an issue, which it 227 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: sounds out like a sore thumb to me. So I 228 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: do question. You know, when people do get called out 229 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: and they start crying, is it because they're upset that 230 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: they've been called out and they've received all this backlash, 231 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: or are they genuinely sorry for what they've said. You 232 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: do have a point, Kate, because when he was originally 233 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: called out by Mariner, he did go on the defensive 234 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: and send about nine comments saying this was a joke. 235 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: That being said, he did sound the podcast that I've 236 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: had a whole week to try and reflect on my 237 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: actions and speak to people in the community, and I 238 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: think that he has understood the gravity now of his comments. Look, 239 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: I understand that he's sorry, but at some point it 240 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: almost feel like the apology is not good enough. 241 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: It was so damaging what he said. 242 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the better apologies I've heard, 243 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: though it is it does seem more genuine than some 244 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: of them, and as you said, he does seem quite remorseful. 245 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: But I just as you said, Okay, I can't believe 246 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: this made the cut of the podcast. Like to think 247 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: that this was okay to say in the first place 248 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: on microphone, and then to actually go through the process 249 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: of uploading it. I think it will take Jordan a 250 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: very long time to redeem himself in his community. However, 251 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 1: I do like the fact that he put out the 252 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: apology on the platform where he made the comments, instead 253 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: of just putting up an Instagram story apology that disappeared. 254 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: He actually took the time to go into why he's 255 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: sorry and acknowledge the wrongdoing, and he's also communicating with 256 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: the audience that he originally made the comments to. I 257 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: can see why this is so offensive to the South 258 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: Auckland community for obvious reasons, but also when someone makes 259 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: it big and I'm not saying he's a massive celebrity, 260 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: but someone well known from your area, you're quite proud 261 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: of them, and I could imagine how hurtful this will be. 262 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: This is kind of like when people that are from 263 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: Adelaide shit on Adelaide, but obviously much more offensive. I 264 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 1: also think what would hurt a lot of people is 265 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: the fact that he was dating someone like Sammy Robinson, 266 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: as Marina said in his video date who you want 267 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: to date? But I think the fact that he's calling 268 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: women in his own community basically unattractive. It would be 269 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: really hurtful, as you said, for someone who's looking up 270 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: to him, very proud that he's come from. 271 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 2: The same community as them. 272 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: Particularly when he's dating vary stereotypical looking blonde influences. Now, 273 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: the response from McCauley school does speak volumes. So Jordan 274 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: did reach out to the school and apologize and they 275 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: released this statement. They said thank you for reaching out 276 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: to apologize for the offensive, sexist and racist comments that 277 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: were made. Not only are McCauley students past and present offended, 278 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: but so is the South Auckland community. In words of 279 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: the Minister for Pacific People, our girls are the six Bees, brown, beautiful, bilingual, 280 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: bicultural and bold. The statement continued, saying, Jordan, as a samoan, 281 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: knows how to apologize appropriately and I would like to 282 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: see an authentic apology video on his podcast as well 283 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: as an apology video sent to me so I can 284 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: show our current students. This type of treatment needs to stop, 285 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: and Jordan can take the first step towards writing the 286 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: wrong I'd like to finish the segment with some words 287 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: from former McCaulay students see La Jane Hopgood, who said, 288 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: when you are a Pacific a girl from a household 289 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: juggling study errands and your cultural responsibilities. When self confidence 290 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: is already a rarity, and you hear someone from your 291 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: own community on a platform with a large following insult 292 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: young girls for not looking a certain way, that their 293 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: dark colored eyes, brown skin, and black hair isn't seen 294 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: as beautiful, it destroys what little self belief you had left. 295 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 6: I always trying to be as real as possible to you, guys. 296 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 4: You know I don't. 297 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 6: I don't try and paint a picture for anyone that 298 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 6: is what it is. 299 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: Almost a year after relocating to the US to live 300 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: with his wife London and their one year old Son's 301 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: Stone Rhese Hawkins is back in a Australia. 302 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: He shared a very cute. 303 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: Photo of him on his Instagram story hugging his two kids, 304 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: Wolf and Saskia. Reese and the kids all looked over 305 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: the moon to be reunited, and there has been a 306 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: lot of speculation about the co parenting situation between Reese 307 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: and the kid's mum, Tammy hembro So. In November last year, 308 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: she confirmed on her Instagram story that she had sole 309 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: custody of the kids. I was shocked when I saw 310 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: this photo pop up on my newsfeed because the timing 311 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: is very interesting, with Tammy just about to give birth. 312 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: This photo also surprised a lot of followers because Reese 313 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: previously got rid of all of the photos of Saskia 314 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: and Wolf on his Instagram, so in twenty twenty, he 315 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: scrubbed hundreds of photos off his profile and he said 316 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: that he didn't feel comfortable to share private moments like that. However, 317 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: it was even more confusing because when his son Stone 318 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: was born, he then shared photos of Stone, and it 319 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: led a lot of people to come up with quite 320 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: harsh criticism and suggestions that maybe he he was trying 321 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: to move on with his new family and he didn't 322 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: have time for his other kids anymore, which would have 323 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: been incredibly hurtful. Oh, we've got to remember that there 324 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: is a custody situation involved here. While Timmy has said 325 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: that she has full custody at the moment, we don't 326 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: know the ins and outs of that scenario, so it's 327 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: really hard for us to cast dispersions on someone we 328 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on in the inner circle or 329 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: Reese did touch on his decision initially to remove the 330 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: kids from his account, saying I'm definitely not the kind 331 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: of person that feels the need to prove people wrong 332 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: and post this kind of stuff all the time. But 333 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: everyone needs to understand Instagram isn't reality and people can 334 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: do a lot in real life and keep it off 335 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: social media. My relationship with Wolf and Saskia will continue 336 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: to be left off social media for now because of 337 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: the constant harassment and judgment of me as a father. 338 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: I do feel for Reese in that situation because people 339 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: are assuming that he doesn't have a role in his 340 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: children's lives because they're not on social media now. I 341 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: do understand obviously he has moved to the US, so 342 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: that is more difficult to have a relationship, But we 343 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: don't know what is going on behind the scenes, whether 344 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: he's having phone calls with the children constantly. Yeah, and 345 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: in his old podcast that he used to do with 346 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: Mitch Orville, he spoke about feeling unsure about having so 347 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: much of his children's life on Instagram, So I feel 348 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: like him scrubbing his Instagram profile of photos of the 349 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: kids was more coming from a caring place. Yeah, but 350 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: it was just weird because he then uploaded photos of 351 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: his new baby Stone, So it got people thinking, well, 352 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: if he's posting one and not the other, what's the difference. 353 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: And the common denominator was that one lot of Tammy's 354 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: and one lot were London's. The thing is with this 355 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: whole scenario is because no one really knows these people 356 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: or genuinely, it's either you've got these characters, so you've 357 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: got the mum that's taking care of the kids full time, 358 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: and then you've got you know, Reese cast as the 359 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: deadbeat dad, and it's always team Tammy or team Reese. 360 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's quite unfair when you don't know 361 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: the intricacies of the relationships. Yeah, but what we've also 362 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: got to remember is Reesa said he doesn't want to 363 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: share about his children's lives online, so he used to 364 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: share a lot on his YouTube channel. You know, it's 365 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: not like in the situation where he shared about Stone 366 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: that he shared London's labor with stone and personal. 367 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: Details to the child. 368 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: It was literally one photo of the child when he 369 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: was born. 370 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: And I think. 371 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: That's that's not a good look when you have photos 372 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: of one child up and not the others, and you've 373 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: deleted the others and then moved to the US. Like 374 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: I can see both sides of it. 375 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 2: It's not a good look. 376 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: But maybe that's why he's now shared this photo. Well, 377 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: the takeaway from me in this photo is just how 378 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: excited Wolf and Saskia look to have their dad back. 379 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 4: These two are living legends. 380 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: The only success story to come out of Maths twenty 381 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: twenty two. Over the weekend, a cheating scandal involving controversial 382 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: Maths couple Jackson Loney and Olivia Fraser went viral. 383 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 2: A video of. 384 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: Jackson making out with another woman at a nightclub was 385 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: leaked online and what followed could only be described as 386 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: a media storm. The whole ordeal has many people questioning 387 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: whether this is just one big publicity stunt. Now amy 388 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: for those who didn't watch Maths, feel us in on 389 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: why this is so scandalous. Well, Jackson and Olivia are 390 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: one couple that actually made it past the finale. However, 391 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: they definitely aren't loved by the Australian public. So Olivia 392 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: is infamous for being a villain on the show after 393 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: she exposed fan favorite Dominica's OnlyFans account. However, despite the 394 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: backlash publicly, Olivia and Jackson seem to have a strong relationship, 395 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: which is why so many. 396 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: People are shocked by this video. 397 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: So Kate, why do people think this is a publicity stunt? Well, 398 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: it's all about the timing. So the cheating video was 399 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: released just days after Olivia announced she was joining OnlyFans, 400 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: and her decision to join the X rated platform was 401 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: a contentious one because she's slut shamed Dominica for being 402 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: on the platform on maps and it's been reported she's 403 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: earned ten thousand dollars in twelve hours, with Olivia charging 404 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: fourteen ninety nine a month for a subscriber, which is 405 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: a pretty high price on OnlyFans. So many people are 406 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: speculating that this could be a publicity stunt to get 407 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: Olivia more subscribers, and I did see people were even 408 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: questioning whether maybe there's going to be a follow up 409 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: video on the platform, So people are going to find 410 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: out from Olivia through OnlyFans what's going on. Well, there 411 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: is also growing speculation that Olivia may have set up 412 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: this kissing video in order to repair her reputation. Now, 413 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: this would be a pretty extreme length to go to 414 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: to actually set up a video of your boyfriend kissing 415 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: another woman in order to garner sympathy. However, the fallout 416 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: from Olivia's Maths appearance. 417 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: Has been massive. 418 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: She has openly spoken about the intense trolling she received 419 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: after appearing on Maths and how she lost her job 420 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: after being on the show. So you never really know 421 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: what lengths people are going to go to. Surely not 422 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: do people hate this woman that much that they're coming 423 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: up with these theories that she would actually do that 424 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: and destroy her own relationship. Yeah, and I don't really 425 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: think that Jackson would be going along for the ride, 426 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: because he's been painted as a real tosser after this. 427 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: The thing is, people are speculating that this is a 428 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 1: setup because the video quality is almost too good, so 429 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: all of the lights are on in the nightclub, and 430 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: the fact that someone just had their phone out to 431 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: capture this kiss at the very moment has led many 432 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: people to believe this has. 433 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 2: This is a setup. 434 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: But everyone has their phones out all the time, especially 435 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 1: when there's someone famous there. If Jackson was really drunk 436 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: and this other girl is wanting to put something cool 437 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: on her Instagram story, I could see her giving a 438 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: phone to a friend and being like, film me, film 439 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: this for a long time, like it's just been cut up. 440 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: We don't know how long the person was filming for 441 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: to get this snippet of the video. Do we think 442 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: that maybe Olivia and Jackson have some sort of open 443 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: relationships similar to Abby and Conrad. Maybe that's a big 444 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: announcement that they want to make on their Only Fans. 445 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: Because it could garner a lot of interest. If there's 446 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: extra people involved in the video. 447 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: Well, the thing is Olivia and Hannah Hughes. Now that's 448 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: the girl who kissed Jackson. They have both had huge 449 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: boosts to their social media followings after this video went viral. 450 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: And the only person, Sophia, as you said, not doing 451 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: well out of this video is Jackson who's been copying 452 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: absolute abuse on social media. Do we know if Jackson's 453 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: going to be on Only Fans, because I know we 454 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: spoke about it last week that we Binge listened to 455 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: Michael Brunelli and Josh Moss's podcast called The Handbag, and 456 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: Michael was talking about how he and Martha actually considered 457 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: doing Only Fans as a couple. It seems like at 458 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: the moment Olivia's come out and said that she's just 459 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: doing it. But I do wonder if Jackson is going 460 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: to be, you know, on the videos as well, or. 461 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: What's to go there? 462 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: Well, I thought they were teasing that they were going 463 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: to do it together. All that Olivia's posted so far 464 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: on OnlyFans is a photo of herself sweaty after the gym. 465 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: I saw that Olivia's OnlyFans announcement had made it into 466 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: Facebook group tea time, and majority of the comments were 467 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: where did she get that bra from? It just cracked 468 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: me out because it wasn't like, oh my god, this 469 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: is scant, so where's that bra from? Well, Dominica has 470 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: added more fuel to the fire. She tweeted Chris Jenner 471 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: works hard, but Max Markson works harder now. 472 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 473 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: So Max Markson is Olivia's agent, and following Dom's tweet, 474 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: he was forced to deny he staged the cheating scandal, 475 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,239 Speaker 1: and he was interviewed on The Carl and Jackie Oh 476 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: Show and seemed quite bewildered by the whole saga. He 477 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 1: said he had nothing to do with it. However, he 478 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: said he would not be surprised if the girl who 479 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: was kissing Jackson set it up herself for more publicity. 480 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: And I don't know, because she was interviewed on Megan 481 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: Pistetto's show, so dramatic, and she seemed to be enjoying 482 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: the attention. 483 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: Oh, she loved it. She loved it. 484 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: Of course there's I mean, she's a nobody in this situation. 485 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: Her being a part of a cheating scandal is going 486 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: to get her more followers and notoriety. I think that 487 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: there's definitely gain on her end in this whole scenario 488 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: and for her Generally, if you're deemed as the other woman, 489 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: everyone dislikes you. But because the hatred towards Olivia is 490 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: so strong, people kind of saw it as a sort 491 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: of calmer situation, imagine. But also going back to Max markson, 492 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: do we really believe him? You know, oh no, this 493 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: wasn't set up by me. How many times has he 494 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: said that when he's probably been orchestrating the whole thing, 495 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: except I'm just on a radio interview about it. Get 496 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: creating more publicity over it. One thing I know for 497 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: sure out of this whole thing is that Olivia is 498 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: going to get a shit ton of only fans followers. 499 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 7: I'm literally crying because I'm so grateful for this doctor 500 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 7: coming over because I was really struggling. We'll talk about 501 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 7: it when I'm Rube, which I'm leaving on Monday. I 502 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 7: don't know if I'm going to be a Monday, but 503 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 7: oh okay. 504 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: With so many influences abroad on their spon con trips, 505 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: I thought it was time to head to our travel 506 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: correspondent Kate to give us the juicy details on what 507 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: they've been up to. Yeah. Well, I'm reporting live from 508 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: freezing cold Adelaide. But Shany Grifman has been struck down 509 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: by a mystery illness while on a work trip to 510 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: Balley Now. The Silk Swimwear founder was met to be 511 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: catching up with her Balinese production team, but was too 512 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: sick to leave her villa. Okay, get on in. Is 513 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: this actually a mystery illness or is this just barley Bean? No? No, no. 514 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: So Shanny was holiday and with fellow influencer Lily Brown, 515 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: who did save the day by passing on a contact 516 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: she had for a local doctor, and on Sunday, Sharne 517 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: shared the doctor's business card on her Instagram story and 518 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,239 Speaker 1: urged her followers to screenshot the details if they were 519 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: planning a trip to Bali, as you never know when 520 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: you'll need it. She then appeared on her story in tears, 521 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: saying how grateful she was to see the doctor at 522 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: her villa. 523 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 2: Now so if. 524 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: Sharnie was very vague about the details of her illness, 525 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: but did confirm she did not have COVID, barley belly 526 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: or a parasite. She went on to divulge, though, that 527 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: she had been in constant pain, and she said she'd 528 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: thrown her back out coughing so had to crawl to 529 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: go to the toilet. Now, the doctor did bring over 530 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: an oxygen machine, and Shanne said she was currently taking 531 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: painkillers and antibiotics. Fortunately for s The following day, she 532 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: announced that she was feeling better and was able to 533 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: resume her working holiday. 534 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: Now is it just me? 535 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: Or is a bit strange to almost clickbait your illness? 536 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: Why say anything at all? Yeah? I find it very odd. Obviously, 537 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: it's not nice that Shanny was feeling unwell and I'm 538 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: glad she's had a speedy recovery. However, Shanny is an 539 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: OG influencers, and she would know what sort of response 540 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: a story like this would elicit from her followers, and 541 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: it would be one of sympathy and intrigue to find 542 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: out what's wrong with her. But maybe she needs to 543 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: be doing this. She has been so boring for so long. 544 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: I've been totally tuned Well, I'm not saying an illness 545 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: is interesting, but I've been totally tuned out of her life. 546 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with her. Thought maybe 547 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: she wanted to share something that was actually real, because 548 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: I know a lot of the time people are sharing 549 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: about their glamorous holidays and how much fun they're having, 550 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: and sometimes it is good to see the reality. Well, 551 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: whether it was her intention or not, it would have 552 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: definitely boosted her engagement. And she even said, oh, one thing, 553 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: I've found these people much prefer when I talk about 554 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: my personal life than posting anything esthetic. She'll guess, I'll 555 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: be on my stories posting more. She did say that 556 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: she knew that's what people wanted anyway, but I suppose 557 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: it was solidified then and she's like, I'm glad people 558 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: are here for my personality and not for just pretty things. 559 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: I don't know why she thought that anyone would just 560 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: be on her Instagram for pretty things. Yes, she does 561 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: have a nice feed, but I don't think that's what 562 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: anyone wants anymore. We want personality, we want real life 563 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: story and Shani is such a fantastic vlogger. I think 564 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: she's one of the best, most natural vloggers we have 565 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: in Australia. So, Shani, if you're listening to this, could 566 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: you please unblock us from your social media So I 567 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: think we've had a bit of a misunderstanding with some 568 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: of our topic, but. 569 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 2: We want to see it. 570 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 6: Well. 571 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: She needs to unblock us because we have been saying 572 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: for so long on this podcast that she needs to 573 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: start talking to the camera again and being real and 574 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: look lo and. 575 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 2: Behold it worked out for her. 576 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: Now I've got to move on to Sammy Robinson because 577 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: she showed off her not so glamorous side of influencer 578 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: trips over the weekend. So last week, the one Mile 579 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: founder jetted off to Ibitha with her sister Katie thanks 580 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: to Pandora, and it looked like no expenses were spared 581 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: on this trip with the pair flying business class. Now, 582 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: I was shocked because Pandora went all out on this trip. 583 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: They invited what looked like nearly one hundred influences and 584 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: following the brand launch, Sammy and Katie extended their trip 585 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: to Sardinia as you do. However, they missed their connecting 586 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: flight and they were told there were no more flights 587 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: for the day. So Sammy shared to her story, we 588 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: waited two hours for the airline to find our luggage, 589 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: book us on another flight for the next day, and 590 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: get us a hotel for the night. The transferred to 591 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: the hotel took two hours to arrive. Once we arrived 592 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: at the hotel, they said they had no rooms. 593 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 7: Loll. 594 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: We were standed the glamorous side of traveling. Sammy then 595 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: shared a picture of her sister Katie looking extremely over 596 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: It followed by a disclaimer which read silver lining. We 597 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: can say we stayed a day in Barcelona and took 598 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: another city. 599 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 2: Off the bucket list. 600 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: Now, if I'm being honest, I had a tiny violin 601 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: playing in my ear. I cannot say a whole lot 602 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: of sympathy. Could you guys, feign any sympathy over this 603 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: traveling issue? I could because I know what it's like 604 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: when you're traveling in Europe and it can be such 605 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: a bitch to get around places. So I do feel 606 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: a little bit sorry because sometimes it can look so 607 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: glamorous when you're sharing European holiday on Instagram, but the 608 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: reality is very different. I'm personally finding it a struggle, 609 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: even with Sammy, to see influences back on these all 610 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: expenses pay trip. I feel like that's all I'm seeing 611 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: in my feet at the moment, and we've got a 612 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: cold snap happening here in Australia. I think it's even 613 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: more depressing, and I think it used to be the 614 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: complete norm having your feed saturated with this type of content, 615 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: But after a two year break, I really think it 616 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: is a hard pill to swallow, especially when my last 617 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: overseas trip was about three years ago. Now I'm feeling 618 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: very jealous. It makes me a little bit more excited 619 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: because I kind of want to see how it goes 620 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: for other people who are traveling before I travel myself, 621 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: so I feel like it's more of a sign that 622 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: things are getting back to normal. I do think it 623 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: is hard for us, though, to see influence is bouncing back, 624 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: so quickly from the pandemic and living their hashtag best 625 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: lives when I feel like some of us are still 626 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: struggling to get our lives back to normal, or we're 627 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: just in the boring phase, aren't we it's gotten cold, 628 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: we're sitting inside, we're being envious. 629 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: Drums Well. 630 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: Previously we've discussed though, how influencer trips can help followers 631 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: escape their reality and live vicariously through them. And the 632 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,239 Speaker 1: other day I saw Anna Paul share a DM from 633 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: a follower saying she can't wait for her Europe vlogs 634 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: and she's discovering the world through her. So Anna wrote, 635 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: this is all I want. This is the reason I 636 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: film every little thing messages like this, And I actually 637 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: do watch Anna's videos as a bit of an escape. 638 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 639 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: I do really enjoy that level of escapism as well, 640 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: particularly when influencers are happy to actually create content while 641 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: they're overseas. If we're just seeing an Instagram story of 642 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: you sitting by the pool, I'm not getting as much 643 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: out of it. But when I'm learning something through one 644 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: of the daily vlogs like Anna Paul does, I think 645 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: that's when it is worthwhile and you actually are happy 646 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: for that influencer. Well, I think that's what we've got 647 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: time for today. Thank you so much for joining us 648 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: for another episode of Outspoken. 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