1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're dose of the hottest 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: influenza and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Amy 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: and Sophie. On today's show, Steph Claire Smith's refreshingly Normal 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: Kids Party, Sophie, Keisha's tell All interview and Kayla it's 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: seen as as Barbie Debate. But first, Amy, you are 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: finally a home ode I am. It's only taken a 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: year of looking, but Daylor I finally bought a house 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: and so we're very, very excited about it. What I 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: love about your house is that it's in such I 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: don't want to give away the location, but it's in 12 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: such close proximity to all of the things you need. 13 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: Literally there's a pub down the road, there's a supermarket, 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: but it's still on like this leafy green street. And 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: also the house has Christmas light potential or yes, that 16 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: was very important to me. Every time I went to 17 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: a house, I would instantly cross it off if there 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: was no Christmas light potential. And this new house, it's 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: got this really cute little hedge, which I think is 20 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: going to be perfect for. 21 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: A gold light a very classy display. 22 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm really jealous because you have this really 23 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: cool fireplace which I feel like it just looks like 24 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: Santa would come out of. So I'm envisioning some stockings 25 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: hanging there, a beautiful garland with lights running across. I'm 26 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: very excited for Christmas. I'm going to put it out there. 27 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: I think you're hosting Christmas wife. I feel like Daleen, 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: I've already said we're having Christmas and the White Party. 29 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm also excited because despite the fact that I mean, 30 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: we're five minutes away at the moment, we are going 31 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: to be living a little bit further. But I love 32 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: the fact that it's a new start, because you and 33 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: I have been hating where we live at the first 34 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be exciting because I think 35 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: we're going to be recording the podcast from your house. Yeah, 36 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: and I really want to get one of those big 37 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: Neon signs on the wall, because you know, when you 38 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,919 Speaker 1: rent you can never have any photos on the walls, 39 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: and that's the thing I'm most excited about is getting 40 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: some prints and a Neon side. Well, I'm currently because 41 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm locked into a rental, which I don't really like 42 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: and at the moment, Brandon and I are trying to 43 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: make the best of the situation, and his mum is 44 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: such a legend. She has made us all of this furniture, 45 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: so she's basically bought crap stuff on marketplace and done 46 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: it up. 47 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: I have to share it in the group. Looks so good. 48 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: There's a fancy shop here in Adelaide called Provincial Living. 49 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's in the other states too, and we 50 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: said it literally looks like pieces out of there. But 51 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: we've only spent like forty bucks on the furniture. But 52 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: poor thing, she's been working so hard on the furniture 53 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: that her hands are really sore now. So I think 54 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: she's taking a bit of a break. If anyone wants 55 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: orders from it, So forty dollars and your future mother 56 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: in law's health, that's right. Once she's rest Once she's 57 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: rested up, can she make something for me because I 58 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: reason I need a chest of draw Well, we have 59 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: to get in the good books. Maybe maybe when Brandon 60 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: and I officially married and you're part of her family, 61 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: do you know what's more for your ages away you're engaged, 62 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: Surely I can get a piece of it. Since I've 63 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: become a homeowner officially, I have just become sucked into 64 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: all of those home accounts, you know, where they'll style 65 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: their house so they'll do Reno's. So if there's any 66 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: any pages that people follow, please put them in the 67 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: group as recommendations, because I really want to get some 68 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: more inspo. It's like men suddenly get really proud about 69 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: their patch of lawn, even if it's a small patch 70 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: of lawn. I feel like that's a thirty year old 71 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: thing to be really house proud, Ah, Sophie. I was 72 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: saying to you the other day, how sad my life 73 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: or maybe happy my life has become. Because Resa and 74 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: I have a little herb garden and I've been tending 75 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: to it with my watering can, and I said, every 76 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: time I walk past it, it just makes me smile 77 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: because the herbs. 78 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: You are officially old, Kate. I'm sorry, I beg your pardon. 79 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: I understand you're on the sting tree. 80 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: On the weekend, Steph Claire Smith held a birthday party 81 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: at her home to celebrate her son Harvey's first birthday. 82 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: Despite the fitness entrepreneur having one point five million followers 83 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: to impress, the party was modest and wholesome. Steph hosted 84 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: family and friends in her backyard with casual party food 85 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: and a homemade Elmo cake. The decorations included red balloons, 86 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: are red tablecloth, photos of Harvey. 87 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: And an Elmo plush toy. 88 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: It was just so refreshing to see a kid's birthday 89 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: party appearing on my feed that actually looked similar to 90 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: the parties I attended as a child, And it really 91 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: may be reminiscent about our birthday parties growing up. What 92 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: do you guys remember about that time? 93 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: Well, up until we. 94 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: Were twelve, we would have all of our birthday parties 95 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: in our backyard and so the friends would come over first, 96 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: and then in the afternoon it would be the extended family. 97 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: And we'd always get our decorations from Big W and 98 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: it'd be the stock standard colored balloons. You'd get streamers, 99 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: and of course you'd put the balloons right on the 100 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: letterbox so people would. 101 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: Know that it's your birthday. 102 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,119 Speaker 1: Can I just interrupt, I don't think the Kerns would 103 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: like the balloons were from BIGW anyway. 104 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: I love Big W growing up side. 105 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,119 Speaker 1: Point, and I do remember before the party, Mum would 106 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: always make one of the Women's Weekly cakes for us, 107 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: So we'd all look at the book and we'd all 108 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: pick out which cake we wanted, and it would be 109 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: so exciting when you'd come down and see the finished 110 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: product the morning of your birthday party. I mean, I'm 111 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: not a mum yet, but I'm a dog mum, and 112 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: I feel like part of the birthday party experience is 113 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: almost that stress or pressure that you put on yourself 114 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: to make a beautiful cake. Like I feel like that's 115 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: almost part of the lead up and something that I 116 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: think I will really enjoy as a mum one day. 117 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: And my favorite part of getting organized for a party 118 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: was that mum would let us make the lollybags with her. 119 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: And because she was a dental therapist, she'd never normally 120 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: let us have lollies, but we had this famous saying 121 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: growing up that lollies were only for parties, so of 122 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: course we had lolli bags. And in terms of themes, 123 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: generally it was just no theme. But one of the 124 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: themes we had was a Fairies and Goblin's party. 125 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: So it was very PG. It was, you know, very cute. 126 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: Seeing we saw those photos recently, remember you guys were 127 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: dressed up as fairies and I was as a goblin 128 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: with my two male friends. 129 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: Hilarious. 130 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: I think that we had that theme because we actually 131 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: wanted to go to the Fairy Shop, but it was 132 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: too expensive, so we had that theme instead. 133 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: But how epic were the fairy Shop birthday parties? 134 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: If I don't know if it was just an Adelaide thing, 135 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: but you used to go and a fairy like you 136 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: actually thought it was a real life fairy would host 137 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: the event and there'd be games, And I think more 138 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: of the elaborate birthday parties I remember were literally at 139 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: McDonald's or bowl. If you're in you know that was 140 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: sort of as special as if you're an Adelaide message us. 141 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: If you ever had a fairy party at the Fairy Shop, 142 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: I feel like it was probably more of like a 143 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: burnside kind of mom's party, don't you think Like in 144 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: our day it was sort of a fancy thing to 145 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: go because our cousin. Our cousin used to have them. 146 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: What about the games though, because I feel like the 147 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: games really stand out in my mind because we used 148 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: to have pin the tail on the donkey. Remember Mom 149 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: used to do that memory game that really didn't go 150 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: down as well. As some of the others was. She 151 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: literally brought out a tray with items on it and 152 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: you had to remembers. Game was the chocolate game, where 153 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: there was a block in chocolate and basically a dice 154 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: and a knife and a fork, and if you rolled 155 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: a six, you would get to eat as much chocolate 156 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: as you could before another six came up. I remember 157 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 1: whenever a six came up the immense pressure I would feel, 158 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: and then suddenly you'd be fumbling over the fucking during 159 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: the time that you'd roll the six, and you'd get 160 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: set to eat it, and then the next person roll 161 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: the six and you hadn't even eaten. 162 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: One forget, because you couldn't even know it when you 163 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: think about it. I was surprised, like kids didn't choke 164 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: on it. 165 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: Another great game was the donut game. We used to 166 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: hang the donut on the washing line and everyone would 167 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: have to be on have arms behind their back eating 168 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: the donuts. I have a specific memory from our birthday 169 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: parties and basically growing up, we had a set of 170 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: twins who were our best friends, and one of the twins, Michael, 171 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,559 Speaker 1: would always blow out our candles like dead set. Every 172 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: year o Dad would film our parties and he'd stand 173 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: behind us and ruin it. Well. When we got older, 174 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: we used to go to Charlie's Diner. So from twelve 175 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: onwards we always used to go to this all you 176 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: can eat restaurant and it was so much fun because 177 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: we used to play games with our friends where you'd 178 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: pick a play of the worst food possible that you'd 179 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: get an eyeball from a fish and make people eat 180 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: it blindfolded. And then they were of course the epic sleepovers. 181 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: And I remember one year we had this friend and 182 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: her mum let everyone stay up till five am, and 183 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: all the parents were so pissed off, but it was 184 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: the best sleepover I've ever been to. You were literally 185 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: allowed to do whatever you wanted. There were all these 186 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: cool games. She was a bit like the mum on 187 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: Mean Girls. It's like, I'm not a regular mom and 188 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: the cool mom I'm gonna let all these twelve year 189 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: old stay up till five am and be so fucking 190 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: grumpy in the morning. I would be angry at that 191 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: mum now, because can you imagine what bad mood the 192 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: kids would be and if they've been up all night. Now, 193 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: we don't have kids of our own, but we have 194 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: spoken about how we're looking forward to hosting our kids' 195 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: parties in the future. What do you guys think you 196 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: would do. I'm really in two minds because I did 197 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: see Steph Claire Smith's birthday for her son and. 198 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: Think, oh, that is so lovely. 199 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: But I feel like I'm the sort of person that 200 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: would get really into having a really instagrammable part And 201 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: I hate to admit that because I think Instagram has 202 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: completely warped what I think is essential at a kid's party, 203 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: because at a bare minimum, it seems like you have 204 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: to have a theme. 205 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 2: Another thing I. 206 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: Feel like most people have is a personalized cookie and 207 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: definitely those foil balloons that you have your child's age on. 208 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: And it was funny because when I was looking on 209 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: Pinterest for my dog's birthday, I was searching two balloons 210 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: like the number two, and I didn't realize it's actually 211 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: a theme for mums to have too fast, you know, 212 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: they're growing up too fast. 213 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: That's like what they spell out on the walls. 214 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: Anyway, I think another thing that Instagram has made parents 215 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: think is important is also a fancy invite and everything 216 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: needs to be on theme, so matching paper plates, cups, 217 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: tablecloths of course, lollly bags, and you also have to 218 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: have an Instagram a book cake because that is a 219 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: moment at the party, and ideally you have to be 220 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: a whiz in the kitchen and have made the cake yourself, 221 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: because if not, I feel like you have to spend 222 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: up big dollars on a really flash looking cake. And 223 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think that as 224 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: bad as it is, there is almost an element of 225 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: shame put on mums if they don't make the cake 226 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: as well. I do think though, when you're talking about 227 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: these kind of parties, I feel like these are the 228 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: parties for sort of you're one to maybe five year old, 229 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: and then when they hit school, I feel like it 230 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: becomes more so about what the children want to do 231 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: and impressing all the other kids. 232 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: And their parents. Do you know what I think it is. 233 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: I think it's because of first birthday is actually for 234 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: the parents. It's not for the child. The child doesn't 235 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: know what the hell's going on. It's more of a 236 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: time to catch up with your friends and acknowledge all 237 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: of the shit and hard work that you've gone through 238 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: for that one year of their life. And I also 239 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: think it's more of a reflection almost now on what 240 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: you would like at the party. I was actually at 241 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: a first birthday party the other week, and as we've mentioned, 242 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't have children, so I've never really thought about 243 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: it in the way that you're talking Sophie, that it 244 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: is for the mother. And there was another mother at 245 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: this party and she said, I always actually buy I 246 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: buy the child a present, and I also buy the 247 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,239 Speaker 1: mother a present because it's actually such a big achievement 248 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: to have had a child for the first year of 249 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: their life. And also, let's be honest, it's most of 250 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: the time it's the mum who's put in all the 251 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: effort for the birthday. So I think some people do 252 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: view it as their own celebration as well as their child's. 253 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: I totally agree, and I think that there's this big 254 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: emphasis on creating instagrammable moments at kid's birthday parties because 255 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: the mother or father can then share it on their 256 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: feed and sort of get validation from you. I don't 257 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: know if it's actually so much just for validation in 258 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: defense of the parents that do have these instagrammable parties, 259 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: I more think of it that for that whole year, 260 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: the mother and father's life has consisted of looking after 261 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: that child, and it's probably been a bit drab and 262 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: at times not very instagrammable. 263 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: You know, you've got a dirty. 264 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: Kid's not running down their face, what's like vomiting, pooing. 265 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: This is probably the mother's one chance to put on 266 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: a nice event, get dressed up, actually feel like they 267 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: have something beautiful to share with their friends. And also, 268 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: don't you think to also show the other mums. I 269 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: am in control, I am coping. Look, I've looked after 270 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: the kid for the first year, and look how beautiful 271 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: this party is. But I also think that there's pressure 272 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: on the mum, even though the kid won't remember it, 273 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: but the kid's going to look back on the photos. 274 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: So I feel like the mum's also thinking, oh, I 275 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: want to do something nice that then when they look 276 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: back on it, they're like, wow, look at what mum. 277 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: Put on for me. 278 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: Oh. I want to point out that this is not 279 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: about passing judgment on parents who choose to put on 280 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: extravagant kids parties, because when I was reflecting on this, 281 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: I love hosting and I will literally go out of 282 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: my way to celebrate small things. So I already know 283 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: I'm going to be putting on a huge birthday party 284 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: for my kids, and I'm actually really looking forward to it. 285 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: But I think the thing is, if hosting or cooking 286 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: or event planning isn't it something that you actually enjoy 287 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: or are passionate about, then you shouldn't be pressured to 288 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: do it. And I think that this expectation is forcing 289 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: a lot of parents out there that don't actually like 290 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: doing these things to then go spend a lot of 291 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: money that they may not have on hiring professionals to 292 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: help put an event together. And I just think it's 293 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: so much pressure. Like there's nothing wrong with throwing a 294 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: birthday party like Steph kles Smith did in your backyard 295 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: with a homemade cake. 296 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: I think that there's something so lovely about that. 297 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: As long as the kids are having fun, that should 298 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: be the main point. 299 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: Well, I agree, Kate. 300 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: I think I feel a little bit uncomfortable when I 301 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: see some children's parties and you can see that there's 302 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: only been thought about, you know, what's going to entertain 303 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: the adult. It's like this friend's one year old's party 304 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: I went to. You could see that she had thought, Okay, 305 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: my daughter loves the Wiggles, I'm going to get one 306 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: of the Wiggles characters to come along. 307 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: And it was all about the kids. 308 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: I think sometimes when it's these sort of esthetically pleasing parties, 309 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: it almost looks like it's just a brag on Instagram 310 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like it's actually. 311 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: For all the child. 312 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a sterile event in a white room 313 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: with white linen, and there's actually nothing for the child 314 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: to play with or other children there to play with. 315 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: So if you have to fill us in on this party, 316 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: of it was a friend of a friend that you 317 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: saw put on. 318 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was quite surprised. 319 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: So it was a nine year old's part and the 320 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: theme was famous and basically the mum had set up 321 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: this red carpet with a whole lot of balloons in 322 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: the backyard and one of the party games was the 323 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: strut down the runway, so it was whoever had the 324 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: best stra And I just couldn't help but feel really 325 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: uncomfortable about this because the child had a whole lot 326 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: of makeup on fake eyelashes. 327 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: She looked she looked very pretty, but she just. 328 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: Looked so far older than what she was, and I 329 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: just felt weird about it. Do you think it's okay? Though? 330 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: If they're playing, it's like their role playing almost. The 331 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: thing is, I think that these kids' parties are turning 332 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: into mini adult parties. And the thing that I think 333 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: is the concerning part of this whole thing is the 334 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: competitive nature of the parties. And I read an interview 335 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: with a child psychologist, Lauren Brambon, and she was talking 336 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: about how very young children haven't actually yet learned to 337 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: compare themselves to others, so they don't really care if 338 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: their birthday party is better than their friend down the 339 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: road's birthday party. It doesn't mean anything to them. So 340 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: this competitiveness isn't actually innate, but it's taught through modeling. 341 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: So when parents are being really competitive about a kid's 342 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: birthday party, the kid then sees this and it they 343 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: start to learn to be competitive. And I think it's 344 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: really sad because parents can then lose sight of what 345 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: their child wants in the process of trying to compete 346 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: and project this image of a perfect family life. And 347 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that is going on on Instagram. 348 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: The whole thing is, I don't think there's any right 349 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: or wrong way to hold a birthday party. As long 350 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: as the kids are the focus and they're actually having 351 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: fun and it's something that they want to be doing. Obviously, 352 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: it's hard to ask you one year old what sort 353 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: of theme they would like, but white or gold? Bless sir. 354 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: She was nineteen. 355 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: She was sleeping with some twenty eight year old on Instagram. 356 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: I don't think she cares, really, she was high fiving 357 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: herself to sleep. Former mummy blogger and entrepreneur Sophi Keaishi 358 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: is making headlines whilst on a promotional tour for her 359 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: upcoming memoir. Then there was her. The devisive social media 360 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: star says revisiting the past has been particularly difficult for 361 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: her new fiance Maddi Garrick, with the book detailing the 362 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: rocky start to their relationship. Now the press tool has 363 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: kicked off with Sophie being interviewed by Mia Friedman on 364 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: No Filter, and I found this interview really fascinating. I 365 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: was so hooked on this interview. It is an hour 366 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: long interview. I would highly recommend checking it out, and 367 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: it was just really refreshing to see how candid and 368 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: open Sophie was during this interview because she really put 369 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: it all out on the table and during this interview, 370 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: Mia did address those long standing rumors about Sophie and 371 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: her ex husband Jared's relationship, because for years many have 372 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: been speculating that they were in an open relationship. Now, 373 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: Mia said that she was very confused reading the book 374 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: because Sophie touched on the rumors but said that they 375 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: weren't true and that they didn't have an open relationship. 376 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: But then in the next chapter, Sophie was writing about 377 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: how she and Jared would get turned on to watch 378 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: one another hook cup with other people at a nightclub. 379 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: So Mia wanted her to explain, so Sophie said that 380 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: the openness was a feature of their relationship during different points, 381 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: so it wasn't through the entire relationship. So Sophie went 382 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: on to say that this was more a feature of 383 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: their relationship when they were nineteen and things were a 384 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: little bit more free, they were able to do what 385 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 1: they wanted. She said that it became more of a 386 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: feature also at the end of their relationship, and she 387 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: says when she reflects on that time, she thinks that 388 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: it was maybe her trying to escape something, or that 389 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: she wasn't happy during that time. That's why she was 390 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: trying to seek out different things. I did find it 391 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: interesting when Sophie said that after having her children, it 392 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: really gave her perspective about her life and that she 393 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: realized that she did have her whole life ahead of 394 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: her and that she almost felt like she'd settled for 395 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: this life that she felt she needed to have in 396 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: order to make her happy. Yeah, because she did get 397 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: married very young, and she said that now when she 398 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: hears that anyone is engaged before the age of thirty, 399 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: she's like, are you sure? Are you making mistake? Because 400 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: she said at the time that she thought in order 401 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: to be somewhat successful and have her life in order, 402 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: she needed to be married early and have kids early. 403 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: And obviously, once you kind of have the kids and 404 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: you have that lifestyle, you probably think what's next, And 405 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: you're so young still. Yeah, And Sophie also discussed the 406 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: moment where she first realized that she was attracted to women. 407 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 1: She explained that during her teenage and adult years, she 408 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: had never explored her sexuality. She said she'd never even 409 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: kissed a girl at a party and never remotely thought 410 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: that she could be sexually attracted to a woman. However, 411 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: this all changed when Sophie was a guest speaker on 412 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: a panel. Now at the time, she was married to 413 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: AFL player Jared Kaisha and she had two young kids. 414 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: And she mentioned that she was actually breastfeeding at the 415 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 1: time of this event, and she was introduced to another 416 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: guest speaker and she completely was stopped in her tracks. 417 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: She said everything went blurry around her and she felt 418 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: this electricity when she shook her hand. Yeah, it was 419 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: really interesting because she actually went home after this event 420 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: and told her husband that she felt something. I was 421 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: surprised about that part of the interview because it's clear 422 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: that she and Jared had a really strong relationship where 423 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: they could tell each other anything and everything. Yeah. I 424 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: did also find it quite interesting that he was fine 425 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: with her being attracted to another woman and even going 426 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: to the woman's football games as a family to watch 427 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: the games and interacting with her on Instagram, but he 428 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: said he wouldn't be happy for her to do that 429 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: with a man because he felt like he. 430 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: Couldn't compete with a woman. 431 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I do respect the fact that she was 432 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: honest about her meeting when she met this woman, but 433 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,239 Speaker 1: I can't imagine going to Dale and saying I've had 434 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: this huge connection with this woman. It felt like electricity 435 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: pulsating through my hands when I shook her hands, and 436 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: then taking him along to watch her footy matches. Yeah. Well, 437 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: at the time, Sophie wasn't sure if the woman that 438 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: she was attracted to was attracted to her or was 439 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: into a same sex relationship. So they had this friendship 440 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: which grew, and that was until one night when Sophie 441 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: finally admitted her feelings and Sophie said, funnily enough, I 442 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: like this detail that it was after she'd had ten 443 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: wet pussy shots at a nightclub and she said, I 444 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: have feelings for you, and the woman said that she 445 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: felt the same way, but she wanted to respect Sophie's marriage, 446 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: so Sophie had to explain that she did have her 447 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: husband's approval to basically be with this woman or to 448 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: date this woman. So they ended up making out in 449 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: front of a nightclub on a bin in front of 450 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: this huge line. Yeah, this is very romantic in front 451 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: of this huge line of patrons. And at the time 452 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: Sophie said she didn't care. She was so in the moment. 453 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: It felt so right, felt so natural. But then when 454 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: she got in the taxi, I think she got a 455 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: little bit concerned thinking about, you know, this huge profile 456 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: she has on social media. She wasn't out about the 457 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: fact that they had this openness in their relationship. 458 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: They were still together at the time. 459 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you think of it, and not only did 460 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: she have a huge social media following at the time, 461 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: but being a wag like, can you imagine if you 462 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: were out and about and you saw Beck jud making 463 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: out with some random woman, You'd be like, oh my god, 464 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, this is big news. It'd be big headlines. Now. 465 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: Another part of the interview I found particularly interesting was 466 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: the moment Sophie knew her marriage was over, and this 467 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: realization came during a family holiday, and Sophie explained that 468 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: she did explore her sexuality in the confines of her 469 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: marriage for quite some time, and while still married to Jared, 470 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: Sophie had a nineteen year old girlfriend. Now this was 471 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: when Sophie was twenty seven. Sophie said that she met 472 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: the girl when she was out having drinks with their 473 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: friends and thought, who is this cute little girl. Now, 474 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: this family trip was at Sophie's best friend's beach house, 475 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: so there was a group of people there and Sophie 476 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: went along on this family trip with Jared, the kids 477 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: and the new nineteen year old girlfriend. Is it fad 478 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: because it kind of just reminds you on the cut 479 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: Ash when they take Scott and his nineteen year old 480 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: girlfriend along on the family trip and she gets along 481 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: with Kenderlee. But I kind of like get those vibes 482 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: from this strip well. Sophie said that there was this 483 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: assumption on the trip that she would be sleeping in 484 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: the main bedroom with Jared and the kids, but during 485 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: this trip she realized it was the end of their 486 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: marriage and she no longer wanted to sleep next to 487 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: him going forward, and she didn't know where he was 488 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: at with his feelings, but she knew that she had 489 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: to draw the line to stop giving Jared the impression 490 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: that they were operating as a family. And she said 491 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: that she felt like she'd be lying to everyone if 492 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: she just went and slept in the same room with him, 493 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: so instead she went and slept in the room with 494 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: the girlfriend and MEA Friedman did ask about this, and 495 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: that's what I love about no filter. Mia Freeman just 496 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: sort of says what everyone's thinking. She said, how did 497 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: your new girlfriend feel, to which Sophie replied, bless her. 498 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: She was nineteen. She was sleeping with some twenty eight 499 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: year old on Instagram. I don't think she cared, really, 500 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 1: she was high fiving herself to sleep on. This a 501 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: really strange comment because Sophie did go on to say 502 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: that she ended up having a nine month relationship with 503 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: this girl. 504 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 505 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: When I first heard that, I thought, oh, this must 506 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: have just been a fling. So it surprised me that 507 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: when Sophie said that they'd actually been going out for 508 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: nine months, I assume maybe things didn't really work out, 509 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: and maybe this girl might have been more interested in 510 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: Sophie's Instagram following than her. Yeah. I think maybe things 511 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: did end badly there, because it just felt like a 512 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: bit of an odd. 513 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: Comment to make. 514 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: During the interview Now, Sophie also spoke in detail about 515 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: her relationship with professional soccer player Alana Kennedy, and she 516 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: started dating Alana six months after announcing her separation from Jared, 517 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: and Sophie did describe their relationship as intense, often volatile, 518 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: and at times toxic. She said that Alana was her 519 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: drug and she was addicted, and it was in this 520 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: relationship where she said that she really lost sight of 521 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: who she was. So Sophie described Alana as being an 522 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 1: incredibly strong woman, and she said she didn't fear for 523 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: her safety or anything around her, but she found herself 524 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: cowering down to someone all the time, and she did 525 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: so willingly. Sophie explained that while she is a very 526 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: strong and assertive woman herself, she took on a more 527 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: submissive role, which was a relief for her at the time. 528 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: She said it was a different relationship dynamic for her 529 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: and it was attractive to her to have someone take 530 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: control and look after her. Yeah, this was quite interesting 531 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: because I suppose as a young mum and someone who 532 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: has to make all of the decisions, it did kind 533 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: of make sense to me that she went for someone 534 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: who was just like I booked a trip to Sydney 535 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: come and meet me there, and one of her friends 536 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: described it as it would be like Sophie going to 537 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: Disneyland for the weekend where she could. 538 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 2: Escape the reality of her life. 539 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: I also found it interesting because Sophie described it as 540 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: being lucrative, which I didn't really understand. I don't know 541 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: if it was just the wrong choice of words. Yeah, 542 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: I initially thought maybe she just had messed up and 543 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: said the wrong word. I don't know. Maybe did she 544 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: mean lucrative for her Instagram career. Did she mean that 545 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: it was lucrative because she got flown around. 546 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 2: To different holidays. I don't know. I had no idea. 547 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: Well, even it could have been a lucrative exchange in 548 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: a sense of it was lucrative for her because when 549 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: she'd have a weekend off from the kids, she could 550 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: go somewhere and just escape. I don't know. 551 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: It was a very odd use of words. 552 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: Now, as a professional athlete, Alana was away a lot 553 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: and was quite upfront with Sophie, saying that there wasn't 554 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: longevity in their relationship due to her constantly having to 555 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: travel overseas, and it seemed like the relationship was very 556 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: off and on, and they would fight about the smallest things, 557 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: which I found super interesting. I love those details, being 558 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: a little fly. 559 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: On the wall. 560 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: Apparently, their arguments would occur if they didn't like the 561 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: tone of the other person on the phone, which I 562 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: can relate to there. Another would be if one another 563 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: didn't put a kiss on the end of the text message. 564 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: I think they were reading into that a bit. 565 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: I did get that because if you're always putting a 566 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: kiss on the end of a message, and then someone 567 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: doesn't send you one, you're like, oh, it's this person angry? 568 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: Have they just forgotten? I think it's also. 569 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: When you're in a long distance relationship and you're probably 570 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: reading into every message she got sent. Now, Sophie admitted 571 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: that she felt incredibly insecure in this relationship and that 572 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: she'd never felt like that before because she said that 573 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: in most relationships throughout her life, she always got what 574 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: she wanted, and it drove her insane not to get Alana. See, 575 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people are drawn to 576 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: those kind of toxic relationships where you like the person 577 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: more than they like you, just for that weird feeling, 578 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: and people often mistaken that feeling for love when it's 579 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: actually just a really toxic relationship. Well, they ended up 580 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: breaking up four or five times, and Alana did all 581 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: of the breaking up, and Sophie said that she was 582 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: incredibly devastated each time, and then each time she would 583 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: run back to Alana when she basically threw her a bone. 584 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: And the thing that I found really fascinating and quite 585 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: surprising is she was seeing Maddie during this. Yeah, so 586 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. Yeah, So Sophie was dating her 587 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: now fiance, Maddie Garrick, who is a professional basketballer. 588 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: Clearly she has a type now. 589 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: She's like, she's like Chloe Kardashian, she likes her athletes. Yeah, 590 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: so at the start of their relationship it was quite 591 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: rocky because Alana would break things off with Sophie and 592 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: Sophie would run to Maddie. 593 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: Then when Alana would. 594 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: Reconcile with Sophie, Sophie would dump Maddie. And Sophie explained 595 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: that her reservations over actually being with Maddie was the 596 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: fact that she found Maddie too similar to her ex 597 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: husband Jared, And she said, at that stage of her life, 598 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: Maddie was almost too good for her. So she was 599 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: too stable, she was too kind. And I kind of 600 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: get that because Sophie has been in this committed marriage 601 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: for you know, a huge chunk of her life, and 602 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: she probably just wanted an opportunity to go out and 603 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: have fun and not settle down so quickly after such 604 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: a big relationship. So it kind of does make sense. 605 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: How hard would this be for Maddie listening to this? 606 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: Because Sophie did say, oh, this interview will probably like 607 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: hurt her listening to it, and I can see why, 608 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: because it would be so hard having those person details 609 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: about your love life out there. And I actually didn't 610 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: realize that it was only in Lockdown in twenty twenty 611 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: that Sophie had broken up with Alana. I didn't realize 612 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: this was also recent. Yeah, it's all very quick, and yeah, 613 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: I do really feel for Maddie because it would be 614 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: very difficult to revisit some of these memories. 615 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 2: Even the fact that Sophie said that she was quite. 616 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: Unemotional when she would end things with Maddie and that 617 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: really scared her because she felt like she wasn't in 618 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: the right headspace to make big decisions about her life. 619 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 2: And Sophie was. 620 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: Quite shocked at how brutal she'd been to Maddie, who 621 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: was only trying to be nice to her. It was 622 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: kind of like the reverse of the relationship, wasn't It 623 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: was like she was the alarm. She was the Alana 624 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: being rude to Maddie the. 625 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 2: Other thing as well. 626 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: I felt really sad because apparently Maddie has since read 627 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: Sophie's book and said, I feel like you just settled 628 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: for me. 629 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt. 630 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: Terrible when I heard that bit of the interview. Well, 631 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: Sophie did reassure Maddie and say that she realized that 632 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: she wanted Maddie this whole time, and that her dream 633 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: was to just sit down watch Home Away in her 634 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: pajamas with somebody. See, I feel like I'm at that 635 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: stage in my life. I just want to sit on 636 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: the couch and watch TV. Maybe just home and Away, 637 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: not Home Away, maybe neighbors, but just have neighbors as caids. 638 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: I know it was something good on Netflix anyway, a 639 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: good TV show, but yeah, it's I think you get 640 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: to that age where you're kind of sick of being 641 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: changing me dickheads and you just want to relax with 642 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: someone that you love next to you. 643 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: And I could relate to that. 644 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: Another big topic that they covered in this interview was 645 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: Sophie revealing that she had undergone labia plasty, and Sophie 646 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: explained that as young as four, she realized that her 647 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: vagina looked different to her sisters, so she'd ask her mom, Mum, 648 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: why does mine hang out and theirs doesn't. So it's 649 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: something that had always bothered her, and she also spoke 650 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: about her first sexual. 651 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: Experience with a boy at high school who. 652 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: Remarked on her vagina. So she said she always felt 653 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: self conscious about it and it caused her pain. It 654 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: definitely did seem to be something that she was very 655 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: self conscious of for a long time, and she did 656 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: confirm that it was never something that she did to 657 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: impress her husband or at his request, and it was 658 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: really something that she did for herself. And what really 659 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: surprised me is that she had this done while she 660 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: was getting a breast reduction. 661 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: I could not. 662 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: Imagine the immense pain of having both of those surgeries 663 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: done at the same time, and she got this done 664 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: after having her two kids at the age of twenty seven. 665 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: I think it was more about regaining control back over 666 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: her body. Now I've got a question for you, Amy, Yeah, 667 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: will you be buying this book? Because I initially when 668 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: I heard about this book, I was like, Nah, not interested. 669 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: After hearing this interview, I'm hooked. I want to know more. 670 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: Look, it sounds like a really interesting book, but I'm 671 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: contentous listening to the interviews. I'd probably pay to listen 672 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: to the extended interview on Mom and Maya, but I 673 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: don't know I'm really funny about purchasing influence of products, 674 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: and I don't know if I'll be spending my money 675 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: on it because I don't like to endorse people that 676 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with. Yeah, I know, I feel 677 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: a bit funny about it, but at the same time, 678 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm kind of here for the god, like I feel 679 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: like I need to take one for the team. There 680 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: might be some other deadlating bits in this book that 681 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: we can talk about on the podcast, and that's what 682 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: will be really interesting. I wonder how this book will 683 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: go because I think that there's two groups of people, 684 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: those who are really interested in Sophie's life and really 685 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: want to support her, really love her, watched her from 686 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: day one. But then I think there's another group of 687 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: people who you'd say probably hate follow her and equally 688 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: is interesting to find out what happens, but they don't 689 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: want to support her, So maybe they will be listening 690 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: to Mia Friedman's podcast. I feel like for people that 691 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: dislike her are going to be more likely to buy 692 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: her book. 693 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: They want to support her, but there's a. 694 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: Strange fascination, so I don't know, maybe someone will buy it, 695 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: take it, Take one for the team. And go online 696 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: and sort of point out the most interesting bits, like 697 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: what we're doing now. 698 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: Welcome to Enchantment Lane, where all the parts come together 699 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: and Malibu Stacy is born. 700 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: Some folks say there's a little touch of fairy dust in. 701 00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 2: The air the clog in the show. 702 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: Kayla It's seen as, has sparked debate about Barbie dolls 703 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: after she revealed she would never buy her daughter one. 704 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 2: Amy what sparked this discussion well Over. 705 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: The weekend, Kayla shared a video of herself and her 706 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: daughter Anna out shopping on her Instagram story, and they 707 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: were down the toy aisle when Anna asked Kayla if 708 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: she could get a Barbie. Now, let's have a listen 709 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: to what was said. 710 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: No, you're not having a Barbie doll. 711 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: Let's go sorry now. After being inundated with DMS, Kayla 712 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: jumped on her Instagram story and explained her stance. She said, 713 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: to be clear, I have no problem with a little 714 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: Barbie play center where it's a toddler slash baby Barbie 715 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: and there's lots of things for her to look at 716 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: and touch and imagine. What I'm talking about is buying 717 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: her a blonde toall adult looking Barbie with a full 718 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: face of makeup on, hair done, and an inappropriate outfit. 719 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: Aka is something I wouldn't dress Anna in. I just 720 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: don't want her to think she has to look like that. 721 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: It wreaks me out. Open to opinions, Kayla then shared 722 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: a clip of Anna happily playing. 723 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 2: With a Chelsea shop. 724 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: Now, Chelsea is Barbie's youngest sister, and so if you 725 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: remember her as the Kelly Dolls, so they're now Chelsea Dolls. 726 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: What they've renamed the child Yeah, and Kayla explained that 727 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: this is the sort of stuff she'll buy her daughter. 728 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: So it was basically like a little shop and you 729 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: could choose different fruits that you could scan through the register. 730 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: It was pretty cute. 731 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: It did look quite darling. 732 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: Now. We brought this discussion up in our Facebook community 733 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: because we were really interested to hear what mums thought 734 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: about it, and there were a lot of interesting points 735 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: of view and many group members were very pro Barbie, 736 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: whilst others agreed with Kayla's stance. And I found it 737 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: really fascinating because a lot of people in the group 738 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: said that they had a Barbie dog growing up and 739 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: it never made them feel bad about their bodies or 740 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: changed their perspectives on beauty, and at first I tended 741 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: to agree with them. But then what I actually reflected 742 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: on my experience with Barbie Dolls, I realized that it 743 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: had impacted my view on beauty because when you were young, 744 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: you were just so impressionable, and you're being bombarded with 745 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: messages from advertisers and the media, and these messages subconsciously 746 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: frame your perspective. 747 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 2: And growing up in the nineties, I remember. 748 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: Our dad would watch Baywatch and we would think that 749 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: Pamela Anderson was so beautiful. And I actually named my 750 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: Barbie doll CJ after Pamela Anderson. We also had Caroline, 751 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: remember the car And It's funny because I'm blonde now, 752 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: but growing up I had brunette hair, and I would 753 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: only think, Oh, I relate to the brunette one. I 754 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: want to be like Caroline. And I really do think 755 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 1: that having a Barbie Doll it did shape my opinion 756 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: on what was beautiful because I looked at her blonde 757 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: hair and a beautiful makeup and her whole closetive clothes. 758 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: I would have, and I really did want to be 759 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: like that. 760 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it also heightened your feelings of 761 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: maybe not being good enough because if you didn't look 762 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: like Barbie, like the ideal beauty standard was Barbie, and 763 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: if you didn't look like her, you didn't really feel 764 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: that beautiful. And I do remember, Sophie, you would wear 765 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 1: a petticoat on your head because you wanted long, flowing hair, 766 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: and I do wonder did that come from, you know, 767 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: you wanting to look more like a Barbie doll. 768 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think Barbie. 769 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: And also all of the Disney princesses that you watch 770 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: growing up, none of them had a cool bob or 771 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: anything like that. It does make me feel really bad 772 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: for kids who grew up with a Barbie that didn't 773 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: reflect them physically as well, because you know, whether they 774 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: had a different skin tone, or ability or waistline that 775 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: was different. It's sad to think that their view of 776 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: their own self could have been affected by Barbie Now. 777 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: Barbiees have evolved a lot since we were younger, and 778 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: Mattel has tried to make Barbie's more inclusive, which is 779 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: really good to see. So at the moment, Mattel has 780 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: released seven different body types from tall, petite to Kirby, 781 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: and Barbie Now has fourteen different skin tones and a 782 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: vast number of different hairstyles and fashions. So many social 783 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 1: scientists who studied Barbie say that the doll can negatively 784 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: affect young girl's self esteem, body image, and even their 785 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: career aspirations. So doctor Hugh from Singapore University said research 786 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: has shown that despite the diversification of Barbie, the dolls 787 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: still has a negative influence on young children because the 788 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: key messages embodied in Barbie remain sexualized and gendered. She 789 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: said that while the company had tried to make changes, 790 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: her research showed that young girls age five to eight 791 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: who were exposed to Barbie dolls were found to have 792 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: a greater internalized preference for a thin body compared to 793 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: those who were not. And she also argued that Barbie 794 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: dolls weren't truly diversified, as nearly all of the female 795 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,720 Speaker 1: barbiees had slim bodies, long hair, long legs, big eyes, 796 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: and high noses, which are not a realistic representation of 797 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: everyday bodies. Now. One listener brought up a really good 798 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: point in our group, and she is a mum of 799 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: a fourteen month old girl, and she said that having 800 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: a daughter has made her realize just how much of 801 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: an emphasis is placed on a girl's physical appearance from 802 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: such a young age. 803 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: And it is just so true because I remember. 804 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: Hearing an interview with journalist Tracy Spicer and she was 805 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: talking about the good girl syndrome, and she brought up 806 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 1: the point that when boys are spoken to, they're always 807 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: praised for being physical at school and robust, whereas girls 808 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: are praised for being quiet and seeing nicely and being polite. 809 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: And normally, when you do meet a little girl, and 810 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: I have been guilty of this in the past, you 811 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: will always focus on the child's appearance or what they're wearing. 812 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: You give them a little compliment, Oh you look cute this, 813 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: but it's always like, oh you're so pretty, look what 814 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: you're wearing. 815 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 2: But when you talk to a little boy, you. 816 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: Never say any of that stuff. You never focus on 817 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: their appearance. It's like, oh, do you like sport? 818 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: What are you doing? You know, it's so different. 819 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: The listener also said that she has noticed a difference 820 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: between the gifts that her daughter gets compared to little 821 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: boys the same age as her daughter, and her daughter 822 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: will get dolls, teddies, and prams, but her friend's sons 823 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 1: will get medical sets and duplow and cars and things 824 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: that you build and put more of your brain towards. Yeah, 825 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: I do remember growing up. I was a real tomboy 826 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: and I loved playing barbies with you guys, but I 827 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: always had Ken dolls and you guys had more of 828 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: the stereotypically girly stuff like your katie kiss and your 829 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: baby born tipsy tail. 830 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 2: You've forgotten. Oh yeah, But. 831 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: Mum and Dad were really good because they bought us 832 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: all sorts of toys to play with. It wasn't just 833 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: gender based stuff. So Dad would buy us matchbox cars. 834 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: Every week we had a train set racing cars, and 835 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: I remember Mum would hire out dress ups for us 836 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,720 Speaker 1: and it would be doctors, outfits, fire and fairies, police officers, 837 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: whatever we wanted to dress up. It didn't matter what 838 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: gender role it was. And I'd always get stuff for 839 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: my birthday, like a tennis racket, batman stuff because Mum 840 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: and Dad knew that I loved it. So I think 841 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: when I'm a parent, I want to try and do 842 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: the same thing. You don't want to just be like, oh, 843 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm just going to get my little girl all of 844 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: the stereotypically girly stuff, because then. 845 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 2: They might not even know what they liked like, they 846 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 2: might not like that stuff. 847 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: The whole thing as well is that some little girls 848 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 1: do really love playing with dolls as well. I think 849 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: you need to get your child what they actually enjoy 850 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:00,879 Speaker 1: playing with, you know. 851 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 2: Vett Barbie or Doctor Barbie. I mean, there's a bit 852 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 2: more to play with now now. 853 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: Kayla's discussion about Barbie's has led to a lot of 854 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: people questioning whether it was hypocritical of her to make 855 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: such comments when, in their opinion, she has made a 856 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: living off having a perceivably perfect body and making a 857 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: program called the Bikini Body Guide. 858 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 2: What do you think about it? 859 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: So well, I can definitely see where people are coming from, 860 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: as you said. Originally her guide was called the Bikini Bodyguide, 861 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: and it was promoted as a guide to achieve that 862 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: stereotypical perfect body. And at the time of release, I 863 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that society wasn't shocked. 864 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 2: By the name of this guide. 865 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: But as time went on, it became a bit more 866 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,959 Speaker 1: problematic as people's perceptions around the ideal body started to change, 867 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: and we did become a bit more body positive and 868 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: Tayla addressed this in twenty twenty one when she announced 869 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: she had changed the name of the program from The 870 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: Bikini Bodyguide to High Intensity with Kayla its cinas Now. 871 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,439 Speaker 1: She took to her website and social media pages and said, 872 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: it's been years since I launched BBG, and over that time, 873 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: the name started to feel like it represented an outdated 874 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: view of health and fitness. This matters to me because 875 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: I always wanted to use language that encourages women, something 876 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: that has become even more important to me since having 877 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: my daughter Anna. I wanted women to feel empowered by 878 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: every aspect of my programs, even their name. So I 879 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: decided it was time for a change now. This was 880 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: a huge move for Kayla at the time because everybody 881 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: knew of her workouts and her community as the BBG Community, 882 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: and she changed the name of the community to the 883 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: Sweat with Kayla Community. And last year she acknowledged just 884 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: how big of a move this was. She said, I 885 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: feel so positive about this change. I'm proud that as 886 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: a company we can look at something and think that's 887 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: not good enough or that's not right anymore and make 888 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: the relevant changes. I do think we have seen some 889 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: big changes from Kayler, especially in the past year, because 890 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,240 Speaker 1: she seemed to be more open on her social channels. 891 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 1: She's shared more about her personal life. She's had a 892 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 1: new partner on there. She seems to be sharing more 893 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: about her daughter, Anna too, and I noticed she's been 894 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: opening up more on topics such as her decision not 895 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: to drink alcohol. 896 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 2: It's kind of like the filter. 897 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: Has been taken off Kayla, and we've seen more of 898 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: her true personality come out. And I've got to say 899 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: I am a fan of it. 900 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 901 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: I really like her now having opinions on stuff, because 902 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: before she didn't really seem like a real person. 903 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 2: And although some. 904 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: People are criticizing her opinion on Barbie Dolls, it's actually 905 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: refreshing that she's opening it up for discussion because she 906 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: did say, you know, I'd love to hear all of 907 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,919 Speaker 1: your opinions, open to opiniure. Yeah, and despite the fact 908 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: that she does have a fitness plan, I think that 909 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: she is allowed to have an opinion on Barbie dolls 910 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: because Barbie dolls do portray a very sexualized, very limiting 911 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: view of women. It's you know, the bleached blonde kind 912 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: of you know. I mean, I think that from her 913 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: perspective as well as a Greek woman, she wants her 914 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,479 Speaker 1: daughter to grow up seeing a doll that reflects their 915 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: ethnicity as well. I don't think it's just so much 916 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: of a fitness related thing, but an inclusive thing as well. 917 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: I do think, though, that Kayla's Barbie discussion has shed 918 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: light on the fact that these days influencers are just 919 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: as bad, if not worse than Barbie. Because a five 920 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: and eight year old they may not be on social media, 921 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: but the age that children are consuming social content is 922 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: getting younger and younger, and we are seeing young kids 923 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: who do look up to influencers. And these are influencers 924 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,760 Speaker 1: who use filters, who promote unrealistic views of body image. 925 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: They're pushing products to impressionable young people. And these are 926 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: also people that only show the highlights real and it 927 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 1: is really concerning that these people are becoming young children's 928 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: role models. I definitely don't think that Kayla falls into 929 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: that category of bad social media influences. She doesn't get 930 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: on her platform and tell children what to wear and 931 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: how to look. I think she's actually quite a great 932 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: role model, particularly for kids growing up in Adelaide, to 933 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: see how successful someone can be. When you put your 934 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: mind to something, you're not limited by where you live 935 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: or what you're doing. So, Sophie, would you buy your 936 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: children Barbie dolls? Taking all of this into consideration, it 937 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: depends if they wanted one, I would buy them one, 938 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: and I would make sure that it wasn't a Barbie 939 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: doll that looked over sexualized. It was one that had 940 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: a job. She had a bit going for her. She 941 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: was a girl of twenty twenty two. I think it's 942 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: the fact that you can give your kids Barbie dolls, 943 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: but it's like give them other things to play with 944 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: as well. Well. I think that's all we have time for. 945 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for today's episode. 946 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: If you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure 947 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: you are subscribed on Apple podcast and Spotify