1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Last week marked a very special kind of anniversary for 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: me being a Melbournian. 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: I have now. 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Clocked up over two hundred days in lockdown, and right 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: now half of my country, Australia, is in lockdown. And look, 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: for most of those two hundred days, I feel like 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: I've coped pretty well. I've been grateful for the things 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: that I do have, and I've focused on the things 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: that are within my control. But last week it really 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: felt like a lot. I just didn't feel like myself 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: and people close to me were really struggling too, And 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: I was just sick of hearing the same old advice 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: for how to cope, learn a new skill, create a ritual, 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: lower year expectations, and so on and look, they are 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: all great pieces of advice, but right now they weren't 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: really helping. So I reached out to someone I knew 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: would be thinking differently, Dom Price. Dom is the head 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: of R and D and the resident work futurist at Lassion, 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: and he's a friend of mine and a friend of 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: the podcast. Dom and I decided that we would swap 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: our best tips. So in preparation for this interview, I 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: racked my brain for the things that I had done 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: that did make me feel better, but didn't fall into 24 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: being a cook some sourdough cliche. So, if you're struggling 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: with lockdown or maybe just everything that's going on in 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,279 Speaker 1: the world right now, I hope that you'll be able 27 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: to take at least one thing out of this chat 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: to help make things a tiny bit better right now. 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: My name is doctor Amantha Imba. 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm an organizational psychologist and the founder of behavioral science 31 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: consultancy Inventium, and this is how I work, a show 32 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: about how to help you do your best work. We're 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: recording this at eleven am on a Friday. We're both 34 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: in I'm in Melbourne, You're in Sydney and I haven't 35 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: checked the news since Wednesday afternoon. 36 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: Does that blow your mind? 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: No, I think it's very healthy. 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: Because I found, like I never used to be a 39 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: news checker pre COVID, that during COVID, and particularly since 40 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: Melbourne's been in and out of lockdown for the last 41 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: few weeks slash months, I found myself I reckon checking 42 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: either the AGE or ABC. 43 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 2: I reckon maybe like ten to fifteen times a day. Yeah, 44 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: and that is a lot. 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: And I sort of got to a point mid this 46 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: week where I was feeling very flat, so I thought, Okay, 47 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: I just I. 48 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: Need to not be checking the news. 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: And I figure that if something really important happens, that 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: somebody will tell me. And I imagine you would know 51 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: Jake Nap from designs Prints. Yes, he shared with me 52 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: this great tip about a year ago called news duty, 53 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: where he and his wife would basically tag team on 54 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: who was going to be looking at the news on 55 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: any given day. 56 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: And I love that. 57 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: So I kind of my parents. I feel like they 58 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: do news duty for me every day. I yes, yeah, 59 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: so that that is something that I'm doing, and I 60 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: feel like it's just it's breaking my cycle of having 61 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: the news determine my mood, right, So that's. 62 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: That's the why. Then, So the news was determining your 63 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: mood and you wanted to. 64 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: Break that cycle exactly. 65 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: I like that one. That's a good one, very very 66 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: very practical. 67 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, thanks, tell me something you're doing. 68 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 3: So one of the things I'm actually doing is it's 69 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: more on the kind of work side. But I found 70 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: myself in this kind of cycle of insanity at work 71 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: where things were getting bigger, longer, more, but they didn't 72 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: seem to be a breakpoint, and similar to you, I 73 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: was looking for the breakpoint. One of the things I 74 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: did for myself and then with my team was the 75 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: ritual reset. And it's just been great to kind of go, like, 76 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: we have all these these interventions where we kind of 77 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: think about doing a sprinkling, Right, you think about like 78 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: seasons and you change your wardrobe and you do a sprinkling. 79 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: It's like, what's the spring clean for my life? And 80 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: specifically what's the spring clean for meetings? You know, because 81 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: if you think news kills your mojo, amant the nothing 82 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: kills my vibal mojo, like lack a meeting, And so 83 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, I know they're necessary, evil, but how can 84 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: I make them better? So the ritual reset was like, 85 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 3: how do we, like, if you assume the world's changed, 86 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: because it has, like my working environment is completely different 87 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: than it was, So how do I reset my rituals? 88 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: And so what we said was, let's list all of 89 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: our rituals, which ones do we want to keep but 90 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: tweak right, so they stay that the purpose is the 91 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: ritual still makes sense, but the way we're going to 92 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: do it's different because we might be able to do 93 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: it asynchronous or might be able to do it online, 94 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: or we're going to do it in a different form 95 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: because the world has changed. Which ones do we want 96 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: to keep? And they stay the same, I'll be honest, 97 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: very few fell into that category. And then which ones? 98 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 3: Which ones do we want to kill? Which ones just 99 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: aren't required, we don't need them anymore? Whatever, And maybe 100 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: we use to space the time and the freedom to 101 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 3: experiment and try something else. And it has been like 102 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: the most refreshing thing just to go. Meetings don't own 103 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: me anymore, I own them. 104 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's cool. 105 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 3: I think it was always true. Humans booked the meetings, 106 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: so humans have always owned them, but we just let 107 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: them dominators and that reset I've done with myself, but 108 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: then with my team, And then what we've done is 109 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: is we're genuinely using the free time it's given us, 110 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 3: either to invest in ourselves, which is crucial, or to go, 111 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: how do we experiment with new stuff? Because you know 112 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 3: what the world's changed, and I don't know the answer 113 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 3: there isn't. I mean, you can google best practice type 114 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: of distributed teams and you'll get a hold of and 115 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: BS articles. So don't do that. I do that. Let's 116 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: experiment our way out of it, and that in itself 117 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: has been quite fun. 118 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: Give me an example of a ritual law to that 119 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: you've killed. Maybe in relation to meetings. 120 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: There's a whole swath that got killed. So I so 121 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: status updates, there's so many where we just gather in 122 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: the office and it was just this an archaic ritual 123 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 3: where we just gathered and in certain days we gathered 124 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: and never want to go through the updates. And I'm like, 125 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: it was sole destroying in the office, but at least 126 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: we had tea coffee, beer in each other. But when 127 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: you're doing that from you, from wherever everyone's doing it 128 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: from now, you're like, wow, this is really sole destroying. 129 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 3: So we're like, hang on, not only is it sol destroying, 130 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: we're trying to do this synchronously, and we're using people's 131 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: like live time, which should be used for something more 132 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: spontaneous or higher value. So how can we make all 133 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: of our data supdates asynchronous and how can we make 134 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: them consumable all around the world so you don't have 135 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: to physically be in the same place at the same time, 136 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: because I have colleagues literally all over the world. 137 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: So how did you do that? Was what was the solution. 138 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: Well, we actually started doing it first of all, using 139 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: just some of our existing tools, and then realized that 140 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: none of them worked for that purpose. So we built one. 141 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: It's what we do it last year and we're like, ah, 142 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: so it, let's just build one, and a team just 143 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 3: kind of came together and I'm like, let's solve this problem 144 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: for the whole of it last yon, how do we 145 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: get the network of teams to communicate with each other? 146 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: And we're like, oh, this this sounds like a fun experiment. 147 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: And so what you get is a two hundred and 148 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: forty character limits. So it's like Twitter, and you do 149 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: your update on a Friday, and it kind of all 150 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: gets slaunched together over the weekend, and on Monday morning, 151 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: you get a digest of all the projects you're following, 152 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: and you get the two hundred and forty character update, 153 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: and if you want to dig in and find out more, 154 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: you click through and you can read more. But what 155 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: it means is I now don't have any status meetings, 156 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: which I love. 157 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: Wow. 158 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: What I really enjoy is on that Monday morning, when 159 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 3: I get that digest, I'm like, Ah, that project's fine, 160 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 3: that one's fine, that one's fine, I am not going 161 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: to talk to you. I'm going to leave you alone 162 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: to just do your work. 163 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: That is cool. 164 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: Now, is this product available to a Lessian customers or 165 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: just listeners who might not be customers of Alessian. 166 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've put it out there as as a beta. 167 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: I think that there is a now for a beta. 168 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: It's pretty raw because we're still playing with it internally, 169 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: but it will make it out there eventually because we're 170 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: seeing more and more people talk about this the network 171 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: of teams effect, and how do this is not about 172 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: project management, is about project communication? How do like a 173 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: month with me and you're working on discrete pieces of work, 174 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: but they're going to connect together. How can we connect 175 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: in a meaningful way so that I know what you're doing, 176 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: you know what I'm doing, but we don't have to 177 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 3: be in each other's pockets. So you're autonomous and free 178 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 3: to do your work, but you're connected in the areas 179 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: where you need to. And it's so far it's been 180 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: fascinating experiment. 181 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: That's cool. Now, what's the link if people want to 182 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: go check that out? 183 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: If they're just Google Team Central, that's the working name 184 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: for it. 185 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: Right now, Okay, I'm going to share something that I think. 186 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just a parenting hack for Lockdown, 187 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: we might might have broader application. And you can tell 188 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: me that I've got my daughter fifty percent of the time. 189 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: And one of the things that is exhausting about being 190 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: a parent is that you say no a lot. And 191 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: I feel like at the moment, just everyone says no 192 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: a lot, like the government is saying no to really 193 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: most things. So I recently celebrated my birthday in Lockdown 194 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: again for the second year running. And what I did 195 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: for the last birthday and I repeated it again for this 196 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: birthday is I created with my daughter Frankie, an idea. 197 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: Called the Day of Yes. And so the rules are 198 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: really simple. 199 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: So how it works is that if we ask something 200 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: of each other, the answer has to be yes. 201 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: Like that's the rules. That's it. 202 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: And what this means is you basically have a day 203 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: without any friction because when you say yes to everything, 204 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: it's really really easy to have a really lovely day. 205 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: And you know, as a parent, my fear was, is 206 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: Frankie just going to turn into a couch potato or 207 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: a TV zombie and literally not remove herself from the couch, 208 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: and actually she didn't. 209 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: So my screen time rules are quite strict in my house. 210 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: So no screen, let's you know, virtual school aside, no 211 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: screen or TV. Let's say happens before for a clock, 212 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: and that is just a blanket rule. And so therefore 213 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: Frankie loves TV time. 214 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: And interestingly she was she she kind of she. 215 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: She watched more TV than normal, but she was able 216 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: to self regulate and she did spend the whole day 217 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: watching TV, which I also found like quite interesting. 218 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: Well also give giving you a background and sort of 219 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 3: field of education and research. Essentially that the yes game 220 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 3: is involving a huge amount of trust and the no 221 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 3: game requires no trust, a very different engagement model. 222 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: Oh that's so true, so true. Tell me what else 223 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: is working for you? 224 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 3: So little fun hat that me and my me and 225 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: my girlfriend are doing. So as context, we've been dating 226 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: for about a year. Rebecca moved in kind of March 227 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: April time, and so we had a couple of months 228 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: of like semi normal life. I'd still not able to 229 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 3: leave the state of the country or do anything much, 230 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: but we could still go out to bars, cafes, restaurants, whatever, 231 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: and then lockdown here and I was like we were 232 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 3: meant to be going for three weeks in and we 233 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: gutted about not being able to travel. There's a whole 234 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 3: of stuff that just kind of it was about to 235 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 3: get us down, and I'm like, no, no, I know 236 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: a lot is out of our control, but let's find 237 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: out the things we can do. So once a week 238 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: we have treat Day. And it's not like going out 239 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: for dinner treat day. It's like stupid geeky treat day. 240 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: So a couple of some days ago, I set up 241 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 3: a picnic on the balcony. We moved all the plants 242 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 3: around so it looked like we're in in a vineyard. 243 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: And I found out that the person who would have 244 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: been playing at the vineyard we would have gone to 245 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: found their Spotify playlist. Put that on. I got some 246 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 3: Western Australian wines from the bottle shop and we sat 247 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 3: and we had a picnic on a Sunday afternoon. 248 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: Wow. 249 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: We did Christmas in July. The other week I did 250 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 3: pigs in blankets and a big roast turkey and we 251 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 3: had put the Christmas tree up and said Christmas songs 252 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: all day. It was ridiculous. You know. Last week we 253 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: had poshed dinner, so I put my three piece suit on. 254 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: She got all dressed up and did her hair right, 255 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: and we made sort of fancy food and pretended we're 256 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: in a fine dining restaurant, right, And it's all but 257 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 3: it's like a little bit creativity and it's what can 258 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 3: you do with what you've got in the house. But 259 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: it's just a break from this mundane Like it seems 260 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: like you're musing. It seems to feel down in this 261 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: mundane and I'm like, we can. We can sit and 262 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 3: wallow and faster if we want, which we can do 263 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: six days a week, and then one day week, let's 264 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: just do something completely stupid and random and fun. Right. 265 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: So we've now got a backlog of like once a 266 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: week treats that we're going to try, and they sort 267 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 3: of vary from the crazy to the stupid, but the 268 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 3: common thread throughout them all is they're going to be fun. Right. 269 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: It's going to be cheesy, but it's going to be fun. 270 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 3: And it's just a nice little treat just to sort of, 271 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: you know, keep your mind going and keep your mojo going. 272 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 2: I love that, you know what that reminds me of. 273 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: It reminds me of the book by the Heath Brothers, 274 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: The Power of Moments. Did you ever read that book, John, 275 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's some good lockdown reading for you, 276 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: The Power of Moments. And they talk about this idea 277 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: that we think that these memorable moments because like I'm 278 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: listening to what you're describing, and I've also seen pictorial 279 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: evidence on your Instagram as you can, and it's like 280 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: they sound like really memorable moments. And how great is 281 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: that that we can actually create these memorable moments in lockdown? 282 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: And what the book talks about is it thinks about 283 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: this idea we assume that these moments that stick in 284 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: our memory in a good way just kind of they 285 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: sort of it's random, like we can't control these amazing moments. 286 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: But the book actually talks about, well you can, like 287 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: you can construct and manufacture memorable moments. And I feel 288 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: like that's what you're doing with treat Day. 289 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's also just it's a regular jole or 290 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 3: nudge for us just to go accept that there are constraints, 291 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 3: accept that those correct constraints are suboptimal. We'd love to 292 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: be traveling to the UK visit family. There's lots of 293 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 3: stuff we're willing to do, and you can spend all 294 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 3: your time looking at what you can't do and just 295 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: getting upset, and I'm like, but there's one thing we 296 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: can do right. We're in control of this bit of 297 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: our destiny, so let's do them most with it. And no, 298 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: it's not ideal. I'd rather be Western Australia in the 299 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 3: actual vineyard. But the next best thing is I'll go 300 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 3: to the bottlestop, have a corner, I'll get a few 301 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 3: bottles of bottles of the West Australian mine, and we'll 302 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: recreate the right And actually, sometimes those constraints almost make 303 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: it more fun, like it's more silly, and it just 304 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: reminds you, like if you don't have a laugh every 305 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: day or you find the thing to laugh about, you 306 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: start to question what the point is. And I think 307 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 3: we owe that to ourselves. 308 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: Now that kind of reminds me of something that I 309 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: tried doing this week. So I guess that I've got 310 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: coming up on the podcast in a few weeks time 311 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: is Josh Pittterman. And I'm not sure if you come 312 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: across him dom. I'm not sure if you're a musical 313 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: theater and that like me, But he's playing Phantom in 314 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: Fantom of the Opera. Obviously he's not doing that right now. 315 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: Yes, there is no theater. 316 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: No, so we have tickets for that, but they're not 317 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: not much use anymore. 318 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, he is invalid until further notice. So 319 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: Josh will be playing Phantom at some stage. And he's 320 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: played Phantom on the West End, and he's an amazing performer. 321 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: And I mean, like I often often kind of go, look, 322 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's tough for everyone one, but my gosh, 323 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: it is tough for certain groups of people, and. 324 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: I think the performers is, you know, one of those groups. 325 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: And so I was asking him just about what are 326 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: the rituals that he has, and something he's got quite 327 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: a few, actually, but one that stuck with me is 328 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: that every day he tries to do three acts of service. 329 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: So these are essentially like you know, acts where he's 330 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: serving someone else in a positive way. It might be 331 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: a small thing, like it might be I'm going to 332 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: smile at someone that I don't know on the street, 333 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: or I'm going to do this particular thing for my partner. 334 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: And as simple as that sounds. 335 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: I heard that tip and it just and I thought 336 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to try that today because I felt like 337 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: i'd been really sort of insular and just in my 338 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: own head and just in a bit of a funk 339 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: for the last few days. 340 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: And I found that it was such a great way. 341 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: Like I ended up doing a few small acts of 342 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: service that were very small, Like, you know, a friend 343 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: of mine has been struggling, and I feel like I 344 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: haven't been there for them enough, and I just I 345 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: left them an audio message on their phone just saying, Hey, 346 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of you and I'd love to do something 347 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: to help, and please let me know what that is. 348 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: And I realized I hadn't really asked that. And what 349 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: I found is that. 350 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: Doing the active service it took me out of myself, 351 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: and it took me out of my own head, and 352 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: it made me focus on something else that was not myself. 353 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: And as simple as that sounds, I found that just 354 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: really powerful. 355 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's huge, juste. It kind of reminds me slightly. 356 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 3: We had a situation with again in work. There's a 357 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: lot of people are kind of coaching, mentoring, working with 358 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: some of our leaders who, despite great intent, were really 359 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: struggling through all stages of the pandemic, were struggling to 360 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 3: connect with their people. And what we've bolled it down 361 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: to was we had a whole lod of people that 362 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: had the desire to show empathy, they just didn't really 363 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: know how they understood the construct and empathy. That read 364 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: an article or book whatever and sort of intelligently that 365 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: understood it. The actual practice of how do you demonstrate empathy? 366 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: That's that's what they were struggling with. And what we 367 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: found was that the default was this, and you've heard 368 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: the phrager, we're all in the same boat, this realization 369 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 3: that we might all be in the same storm, but 370 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: we're in very different boats. We're experiencing we're experiencing this 371 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 3: in a very different, almost unique way. And so we 372 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: built a very simple exercise. It was it was so 373 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 3: liberating for a lot of our people to go, here's 374 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: an exercise you can do with your people just to understand, 375 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 3: like base level, how do you gain an understanding of 376 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: the situation each individual that you're working with is going through. 377 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 3: And in typical that lasting fashion, we made it like 378 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 3: a scoring system. But just having that conversation opened up 379 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 3: so much simplicity to going, oh, like none of us 380 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: can see the chaos behind the camera. And so what 381 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 3: we do is we fill in the blanks with our 382 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 3: own assumptions. And when we do that, it's really dangerous 383 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 3: because our ow assumptions are normally based off our experience 384 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 3: and our world. And so we just said, like in 385 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: the next whatever, next two three weeks, whenever we're having 386 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: a meeting, team, meeting, whatever, just come our X amount 387 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 3: of time and have the conversation. What is each person's experience. 388 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: Let them share their experience of working from home, which 389 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: was a combination of their work from home set up, 390 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 3: there care responsibilities, Have they got a home office, what 391 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: kind of set up have they got, how distracted are they? 392 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 3: And what their social network and their work network was like. 393 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 3: So we found that like newer a Lassians just haven't 394 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 3: got the same networks that and I'm super privileged. I've 395 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: got eight years, I've got networks that they haven't got. 396 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: But I've got to meet these people. So what your 397 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 3: network was like? And then the nature of your role. 398 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: Is your role one that can be done in isolationally 399 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 3: you quite independent, or is your role one that's relying 400 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: on a whold of people, in which case you're probably 401 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: experiencing hell, right, now right, because you're doing the same job, 402 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: but it's infinitely harder. And just getting that understanding from 403 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 3: our teammates was this great superpower, going, ah, well, now 404 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: I know that's the situation. I'm actually I'm better informed 405 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: on how I can help you. It's no longer just 406 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: an intent to help. I can actually help because I 407 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 3: understand your situation. And that's been a massive shift for 408 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 3: us from this this almost like desire and intent to 409 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 3: help but not knowing how I'm feeling super blocked and 410 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 3: therefore guessing and getting it wrong, to going we don't 411 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 3: have to guess. All you have to do is ask, right, 412 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: just as you've explained, you'd have to guess and turn 413 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 3: up with a bowl full of food and they're like, 414 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 3: I don't need food, I need a hug. Or I 415 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 3: don't need a hug, I need a chat. And you're like, oh, 416 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 3: I just guessed, right, versus don't guess, just ask and listen, 417 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 3: and suddenly we can start to tailor our solutions to 418 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 3: help people in a genuine fashion. 419 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: Are there are a list of specific questions that you 420 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: work through to get to that point of understanding or empathy. 421 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: How does it how does it like actually work. 422 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's basically three questions, three headers, and each 423 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: of them are a two by two, and you just 424 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: plot yourself on the two by two, right, So the 425 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: first two by two is your work from home situation, 426 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: So it's your care responsibilities on one axis and your 427 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: work from home set up on the other right. So 428 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 3: you know, for me, I have no care responsibilities and 429 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: I have a dedicated space right where I get to work, 430 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: So I'm the easy quadrant right on the work from 431 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: home thing. Right. My colleague Eugene, who you won't manly 432 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 3: mentioning this, both him and his wife work full time 433 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 3: and they've got two kids and the homeschooling right, and 434 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 3: they've not got a spare room, so he's in the 435 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 3: complete opposite quadrant to me. The thing is, when I'm 436 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 3: on a zoom call with Eugene, I can't see that 437 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: because Eugene is really cleanly right, he positions himself whereby 438 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: he looks like it's just me and him. But what 439 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 3: I can't see is the utter chaos going on around 440 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: he's juggling. So when we have that chat, you're like, Okay, 441 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: how can we better work together? Because you've been distracted 442 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 3: by fifty things. Every time we talk, I want to 443 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: think you're not concentrating where you are. So we actually 444 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: had a very purposeful conversation, how do we work better 445 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: together so that you can be present and effective? And 446 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 3: what do those times look like? And then how do 447 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 3: we structure this work? And so what we quickly realized 448 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 3: was there was probably three or four hours worth of 449 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 3: work a day that he needed to be online for. 450 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 3: We wanted to work synchronously as a team, but the 451 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 3: rest could be done a synchronous See like cool, you 452 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 3: can do that whenever you want. So suddenly the construct 453 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: of nine to five has gone away, and so with 454 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 3: different care options and responsibilities, him and his partner now 455 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 3: managed to juggle it where they can both menifully country 456 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: to work, they can homeschool, and they don't want to 457 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 3: kill each other. Right, And so you're like, oh, I 458 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: would never have been able to guess at that without 459 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 3: asking those questions. So that hole set up your social 460 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: network and then the nature of your role. We've actually 461 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 3: published it. It's called The Work Life Impact Play, So 462 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: it's published online. 463 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 2: Excellent. I'm going to link to that in the show notes. 464 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll be back in a moment with more tips 465 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: including doms design your weak strategy and also how I've 466 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: started nudging myself towards better behaviors. 467 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: And if you're not connected with me on the socials, 468 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: I'd love you to reach out. 469 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: I am on LinkedIn, just search my name Amantha INMBA, 470 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter Atamantha and on Instagram at Amantha I. 471 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: So do reach out and say hi. 472 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: I share a lot of content on those different channels 473 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: and it'd be great to hear from you. 474 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: Something else that I have been doing. 475 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: So I think I'm in the fairly easy quadrant in 476 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: terms of what you've described there, because I do have 477 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: a separate room that's my study, and I do have 478 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: help with homeschooling. But what I find is that when 479 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: I leave my study and I go to the kitchen 480 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: to take a break or make lunch or whatever I'm doing, 481 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: what I found that I was getting into the habit 482 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: of is, you know, my iPad or my phone would 483 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: be with me during the break and I would hop 484 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: onto a news website. 485 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: As I was saying, you know, just like. 486 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: Many people have this news addiction, and you know, I 487 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: was kind of aware of this and aware that it 488 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: was just the easy thing to do, because my iPad 489 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: was sitting on the bench where I take a break 490 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: or eat food, and I would just do that during breaks. 491 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: And I remembered something that Matt Mullenwack, who's the co 492 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: founder of WordPress and Automatic and builds the software about 493 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: a third of the Internet's websites are built on, he 494 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 1: talked about how something he did in his life, and 495 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: this was an interview I had with him quite a 496 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: few years ago now, is that he would just make 497 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: small changes in his physical environment to nudge himself towards 498 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: better behaviors. So, for example, on his bedside table, if 499 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: he had the kindle sitting on top of the phone, 500 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: he was more likely to read a book, but if 501 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: he had his phone sitting on top of his kindle, 502 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: he was more likely to scroll on his phone. And 503 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: so what I started to do is I started to 504 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: pack my iPad into a draw, not take my phone 505 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: with me for a break, and instead I would have 506 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: like either you know, some paper articles or a book 507 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: that I was reading on the bench. So basically making 508 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: it really easy to do something that would provide a 509 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: more enriching. 510 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: Break and making it just slightly. 511 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: More difficult to do something that would not be a 512 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: particularly enriching break, and I found that that that has 513 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: been a really great way of building better habits that 514 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: are better for my mental health without actually relying on 515 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: will power. 516 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: Yes, it's an interesting content, right, I mean, the concept's 517 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 3: been around for years around you purposely add friction to 518 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 3: certain areas to detract yourself, and you remove friction from 519 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: positive areas to encourage yourself. Right back in the day, 520 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 3: Google were famous for it when they instituted their three 521 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 3: interview only rule and they said, if you want to 522 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: add a fourth interview for a candidate, you have to 523 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: get approval from the VP of Talent. And it was like, well, 524 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 3: that seems like a lot of friction, Like yeah, because 525 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 3: we don't want you to do the fourth interview, like 526 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 3: you shouldn't need it, like get it done in three. 527 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 3: And so they purposely added friction to the process. Right, 528 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: So there's lots of examples of that. I've been similar. 529 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: But I think the problem I have with that is 530 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: I have this amazing power of rushzation where every time 531 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: I do anything remotely good, I congratulate myself, and whenever 532 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 3: I do anything bad, I choose to ignore it. One 533 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 3: of the things I've had to do to kind of 534 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: in a very similar vein but a little bit more, 535 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: a little bit more meta, was design your week. So 536 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 3: one of the things I realized a while ago was 537 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 3: I was like, my weeks are happening to me, and 538 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: whilst I look back at them and go, yeah, it's 539 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 3: all right or not too bad, or i'd use generic phrases, 540 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, I feel like I need to take a 541 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 3: little bit more ownership with my week, similar to you, 542 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 3: you want to add in more positive things, remove the negatives. 543 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 3: And so design your week was my way of saying, 544 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: I can't just be opportunistic. I need to plan for happiness. 545 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 3: And so what I do on a Friday afternoon is 546 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 3: I reflect on the week that's gone, and you know 547 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 3: whether it worked in terms of a portfolio. Did I 548 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 3: do the right amount of stuff for this week? Did 549 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 3: I plant some seeds this week that I're going to 550 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 3: germinate and give me good value in the year's time. 551 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: Did I nurture some existing seed, Like what did my 552 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 3: mix of work look like? And then how did I 553 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 3: mix my synchronous with asynchronous time? And how much did 554 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: I invest in me? And so I asked myself first 555 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 3: questions of a fred afternoon looking back at the week 556 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 3: that's gone. Then I designed the week ahead, and so 557 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 3: what that means is I prioritize certain things. So one 558 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 3: of the first things I lock in now in my 559 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: week ahead is my walks, my daily walk. So I 560 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 3: go for a walk a couple of days a week 561 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 3: with my girlfriend. I've got mates around the area who 562 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 3: were in my five kilometer radius, and we go for walks, 563 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 3: and I lock those in, right, And it's not apologetic. 564 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 3: I'm like going to lock those in because that synchronous 565 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: time that walk only works if that person is free, 566 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 3: and I'm free, So we're going to do that then, 567 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: and then I lock it on the stuffe. You got dentist, doctors, 568 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 3: you might have dropped off kids, pick up kids. You 569 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 3: look all that stuff in. Then you go, right, what's 570 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 3: my synchronous work time? And how do I agree that? 571 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 3: What's my contract with my colleagues? You know, it's no 572 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 3: point me being on nine till twelve if they're on 573 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 3: one till four, right, So what's our synchronous time? And 574 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 3: what's the purposeful things you want to do in that 575 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 3: synchronous time? That's the highest value stuff for us to 576 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: do together, and then how do I slop my asynchronous 577 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 3: time around that. So, for example, first thing this morning, 578 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 3: me and my girlfriend went for a walk. I've got 579 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: a morning's worth of work. From about one o'clock, we're 580 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: going to sit on the balcony and read. So I've 581 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 3: got a book that I'm in the middle of. She's 582 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 3: got a book she's in the middle love. And the 583 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 3: reason we're doing that is she's in full time study 584 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 3: right now and she's got a lecture between four pm 585 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 3: that probably finishes about eight pm. So I'll work four 586 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 3: to eight, right, But I'm not going to work nine 587 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 3: till twelve and fort late and everything in between, because 588 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 3: then I've just stretched the day. So what I've done 589 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 3: is I've broken down the day almost into modular components, 590 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 3: and I mix and match them. Because i know Friday afternoon, 591 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 3: the team I'm working with is actually online in the US, 592 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 3: They're not going to be online Friday afterning, so it 593 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 3: doesn't matter that I'm reading, right, And it feels a 594 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: bit weird the first time you do it, because I'm like, 595 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 3: I'm getting paid and I'm reading a really good John 596 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: Rishard novel. Right, but I'm not because I'm going to 597 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 3: work later. Right, So it's balancing the books and using 598 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 3: your body's energy and your balance and your you know, 599 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: I know you do a lot of work on chronotypes 600 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: and stuff. It's like workout a scale that works for you. 601 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 3: But for so many knowledge workers, and I know this 602 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 3: is a privilege for knowledge workers. It doesn't have to 603 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 3: be nine to five Monday to Friday. Right. You can 604 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: start to play around at the margins and that design 605 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 3: your week on purpose helps me get a little bit 606 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 3: more balanced. And then what I probably might do is 607 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 3: adding your idea of how do I reduce the friction 608 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 3: on the positive parts of that and maybe add a 609 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 3: bit of friction to the negative parts. 610 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: That sounds so good, gosh, that is inspiring me to 611 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: read a book in the middle of the day. 612 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: I still feel like I have guilt if I do that. 613 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 3: With the guilt. The funny thing about the guilt, right, 614 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 3: because you're an exceptionally smart person around you're a doctor, right, 615 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 3: is the guilt is just a self feeling. The weird 616 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 3: thing is when I sit there and the first few 617 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 3: times I did that, I did feel the guilt. But 618 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, no, one's missing me. There's no one knocking 619 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: on my door saying where's the thing. I've made sure 620 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 3: I've delivered the things I need at the time I 621 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: need to deliver them, and I'm still doing forty plus 622 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 3: hours a week. I'm still delivering the outcomes I need 623 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 3: to do. All I've done is tweak the time, and 624 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 3: I feel better for it and effective. So what is 625 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 3: it I'm actually feeling guilty about, Like because I didn't 626 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: feel guilty on Saturday. I don't think it. Lastian felt 627 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 3: guilty on Saturday when I was working and they weren't 628 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: paying me. 629 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 2: I don't think they did. I wouldn't know. 630 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm interested in your approach to social media because I 631 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: found for me, I'm not normally a big social media person, 632 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 1: but I've recently got back on Instagram after a several 633 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: year hiatus, and I had my reasons for getting back on. 634 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 2: It wasn't just I felt tempted, but I found that. 635 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: It's so easy, Like I remember now why I quit Instagram, 636 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: because it's so easy to get into an Instagram black 637 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: hole and basically, you know, like really the only things 638 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: that have been shared by people aside from funny memes, 639 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: which is great. Like people are either angry, sad, or 640 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: they're smug, and none of those things are very helpful 641 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: except for you Dom. You share wonderful images of your cooking, 642 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: which makes me hungry. But so what I'm trying to 643 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: do now is you know that you're on the phone, 644 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: you can lock yourself out of social media. 645 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: But something I do. 646 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: I've got an Apple Watch, and probably the feature I 647 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: use most on the watch other than checking the time 648 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: is the timer. So I will now set a five 649 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: minute timer if I open up the Instagram app, and 650 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: it just jolts me out of that black hole, and 651 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: then it's a conscious decision. 652 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: After five minutes to go, I'm going to keep scrolling because. 653 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: This is like being playing a positive role in my 654 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: mental health, and if it's not, then I'm sort of 655 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: jolted out enough to go, No, actually, I'm going to 656 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: stop that and I'm going to go back to reading 657 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: a book or you know, something a bit more productive now, Tom, 658 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: is there is there anything else that you have been 659 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: trying that has had an impact on you during lockdown? 660 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's there's probably a million other There's there's 661 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: one other, And this isn't a shameless plug, but it'll 662 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 3: seem like it. Yeah, you know, my in my TED 663 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: talk I talk about the balance of happiness, right and 664 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 3: I think that it's become more profound for me in 665 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 3: the last year or so that I do believe we 666 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 3: own our happiness despite other constraints, right in, regardless of 667 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: the constraints around us. But I have a concern that 668 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 3: we've we've massively over indexed. And I've shared this with 669 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 3: you before, is that the work part of us, that 670 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: the bit that gains productivity or profit, I think we've 671 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 3: over indexed on and I believe we've under indexed on 672 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 3: the other massively important parts of our life around people, 673 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 3: which is our kind of family and society and the 674 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 3: connections whether were they physical or virtual, connections we have 675 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 3: with with family and community, around us with the planet, 676 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 3: So around how we think about our carbon footprint and 677 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: how we live our life, you know, given the resources 678 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: we've got around us, and how we don't abuse them 679 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 3: and build a sustainable way of living life. And then purpose, 680 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 3: like just not the simple questions. It sounds like a 681 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 3: very simple question, but like why do I do what 682 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 3: I do? And what's the long term impact on what 683 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 3: I have and for me, you know, it's a constant reminder. 684 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 3: Even though I've talked about this a lot, it's a 685 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 3: constant remind I've still not built the muscle, which is 686 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 3: why I always go back to it, which is am 687 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 3: I balanced? And if I'm not balanced? What actions can 688 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 3: I take to true up my balance? And I think 689 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: for me in the last year or so, the amount 690 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 3: of BS articles about you know, while you're in lockdown, 691 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 3: you should be learning new skills. And if you don't 692 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 3: go out of lockdown with a new blah blah, I 693 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 3: might have a bit more empathy for the experience people 694 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 3: are having. And maybe people just want to be balanced. 695 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 3: Maybe doing a little bit less and I know you've 696 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 3: done like the four day week experiment stuff. Maybe spending 697 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 3: a little bit less time, doubling down on work, doing enough, 698 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 3: but actually spending more time with your family and community 699 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 3: and society, or more time on the planet and leaving 700 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 3: a legacy or your impact right, your purpose. Maybe that 701 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: will give us more happiness. And I just think we 702 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: owe it to ourselves. You know. I like to talk 703 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 3: to about the phrase I treat yourself kindly, and people 704 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 3: get that, but I don't think they know how it is. 705 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, if you want to treat yourself kindly, 706 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: give yourself a score on these four things, productivity, people, planet, 707 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 3: and purpose. And then where you're struggling, pick an action 708 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 3: to improve it. I can and just give it a 709 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 3: red hot go. And I think when we realize we've 710 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 3: all got the same twenty four hours in a day, 711 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 3: We've not all got the same constraints, but we've all 712 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 3: got the same twenty four hours in a day, I 713 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 3: think it's beholding on us to find the things that 714 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 3: we can do, not get overly carried away with the 715 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 3: things that we can't. And so that's just I use 716 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 3: that as a constant anchor, a positive anchor to go 717 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 3: where am I at and what can I do to 718 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 3: strike more balance? And there's a lot of that that 719 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 3: is out of my control, but there's also a fair 720 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 3: bit that's within my control. 721 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: I love that. 722 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,239 Speaker 1: I'm going to link to your ted talk, which is 723 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: brilliant in the show notes, I recommend that everyone watched that. 724 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: Now for listeners that. 725 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: Want to connect with you in some way dom after 726 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: hearing your absolute gems, what's the best way for people 727 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: to do that? 728 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 3: I mean, anyway a lot of the assets that we 729 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 3: create through. Lastly, in any hacks or experiments, we doing 730 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 3: a Lassian or on our team playbook, which you can 731 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 3: look at. I've got my own website now don price 732 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 3: dot me where you can get a lot of my content, 733 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 3: or on LinkedIn, all the normal stuff. Actually, for any 734 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 3: of those things, I always think there's a weird barrier 735 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 3: to people reaching out. I assume that barrier is not there. 736 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 3: I reply to bitually every or certainly most decent LinkedIn. 737 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 3: When you're trying to sell me something, I tend not 738 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 3: to reply, but most genuine LinkedIn connections, I like to 739 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 3: have a conversation if people have got questions or queries 740 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 3: or want to challenge me onso or even share their 741 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 3: own ideas. I think I think we've got way more 742 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 3: to give to the community if we stop trying to 743 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 3: sell to each other. So any of those any of those. 744 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 2: Forums, fantastic dom. I've loved this chat. 745 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that we could catch up during lockdown, 746 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: and I'm. 747 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 2: Just I'm really excited to share this. 748 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 1: Hey, So I hope that this episode was useful, and 749 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: I hope that you're walking away from it with at 750 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 1: least one thing that you can try that will hopefully 751 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: lift your mood or make life suck a little bit 752 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: less right now. 753 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 2: And if you are not. 754 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: A subscriber or follower of How I Work, hit subscribe 755 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: or follow and you will be alerted whenever new episodes drop. 756 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 1: And I've got a very starting chat that I'm releasing 757 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: next week with Ronnie Kahn, who is the founder and 758 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: CEO of oz Harvest, and we will be talking about 759 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: where she gets her best ideas from and also what 760 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: to do with all the food in your fridge that 761 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 1: is about to go off. How I Work is produced 762 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: by Inventium with production support from Dead Set Studios. And 763 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: thank you to Mattin Nimba who does the audio mix 764 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: for every episode and makes everything sound better than it 765 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: would have otherwise. See you next time.