1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda gem Nation. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 2: Oh yes, the trial of Sean Diddy Combs is in 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 2: full swing in New York. These the prosecution style witness 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: his ex girlfriend Cassandra ventru is taking the stand. Cooper 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: Lawrence is a New York based broadcaster and entertainment correspondent, 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: and she joins us now Cooper. 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 3: Hi, Hey, guys, thank you for having me. 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: This is a crazy day in New York. It's literally 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: all anybody is talking about. We've been waiting for this 10 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: trial for so long and it's really hard to get in. 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: People are waiting forever just to just get just to 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: get a sight of somebody walking in and out, you know, 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: to get to see like who's there? 14 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: Is Jlo coming? But no, she isn't. 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: Today Cassie was on the stand and it was really heartbreaking. 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: The story is a traumatic, aren't they. But just to 17 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: clear this up, it's not he's not on trial because 18 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: of his sex life. It's because of illegalities around that. 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: I yes, sort of. 20 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, they're not judging him for his proclivity. 21 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: It's more the fact that the idea of sex trafficking 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: is that you do something on a regular basis to 23 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, you offend lots of people, lots of people sexually, 24 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: and that's exactly what's happened that you know, her testimony 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:15,639 Speaker 1: is pretty damning. 26 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: I mean the things that she was saying. 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: She was describing meeting him at nineteen and by the 28 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: time she's twenty two, she's involved with these freak offs 29 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: where he is forcing her to be involved with all 30 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: these crazy sex parties that go on for days that 31 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: she really didn't want to be part of. But if 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: she said no, he would get angry and he would 33 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: beat her. 34 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: And it was this she does. 35 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: She very calmly, and she's so it's so heartbreaking to 36 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: listen to her because she's very believable and you just 37 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: see the trauma that she's been through as she's telling 38 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: you the story. But for so many years he forced her. 39 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: If she said no, he beat her. So she had 40 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: the cycle of abuse where she had sexual abuse and 41 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: she had physical abuse, and she was to start trying 42 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: to have a music career, and she was really tied 43 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: to him for eleven years. He basically ran her life 44 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: and she was under a just constant trauma. 45 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: And what about the baby oil has been much made 46 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: about the baby Ole. 47 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: No person needs that much baby. 48 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: Oil, but laced with drugs. So is that is that real? 49 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: Is this a thing? 50 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: Is it seriously happening? Yeah, she talked about that as well. 51 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: She said that he wanted her to douse herself with 52 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: baby oil and to continue to put it on her. 53 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: So his baby oil the reason why he had a 54 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: thousand bottles. It wasn't some fetish she had just for 55 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: baby oil, although maybe that was part of it. 56 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 3: It was lace. 57 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: Someone were lace with GHB, some relays with the hypnol, 58 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: which are date rape drugs basically, so it forced people 59 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: that came into his world to comply. You know, you 60 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: can't force someone to take a drug. I guess you 61 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: can put something in somebody's drink, but if you just say, 62 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: put baby oil on. 63 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: They wouldn't suspect that there's drugs and baby oil. 64 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's maniacal, but that's exactly what he did. 65 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: And she said, you know, after a while, she was 66 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: just it was so hard for her that she was 67 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: ready for the drugs and she wanted them just so 68 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: she can zone out and not be there for these 69 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: horrible experiences that he put her through. 70 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: You said that people are watching to see which celebrities 71 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: will turn up. A number of celebrity names have been mentioned, 72 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: Mike Myers, Jamie Foxx. They're not implicated necessarily in any 73 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: wrongdoing at this stage, are they. They may just have 74 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: been present at the parties. 75 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: Some might have been president at the parties. 76 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: But I think the reason why, certainly the defense is 77 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: throwing some names around because some of these people have, 78 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: like I think Michael B. Jordan dated Cassie for a while, 79 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: so some of these people have relationships with her, and 80 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: they're hoping that they can have them on the stand 81 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: to impeach her testimony. Remember, their defense is that she 82 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: was violent too, which. 83 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: Is such a preposit. 84 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: When you see little tiny Cassie and you know that 85 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: Sean did he Combs at the time, was in his thirties, 86 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: and he was powerful and he was tough and he 87 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: was strong, it's hard to believe that she was the 88 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: one that was the perpetrator. But that is how they're 89 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: going to portray her. They're going to try to portray 90 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: her that way. 91 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: It's been much made about his gray hair, right, it's 92 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: this bizarre strategy, Jonesy. It's such a weird thing. 93 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: So he let his hair go gray, and he let 94 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: his beard go gray, and he's dressing like a sitcom dad. 95 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: He's not wearing Gucci, he's not wearing Forsachi. He's wearing 96 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: a sweater, like a very nice clean sweater pulled over 97 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: a button down, and his pants are too big, and 98 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: he's trying to play to the jury like I'm like 99 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: your dad, I'm an old guy over here. I couldn't 100 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: have done these horrible things I'm being accused of. It's 101 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: a strategy that Weinstein did and now it's something that 102 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: Comb's is also doing. And it's just it's such an 103 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: obvious strategy because we all know what Sean Diddy Combs 104 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: looks like, but he's using this. 105 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: Gray hair have worked for Cosby for me? Well, Cooper, 106 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: that's great, thank you for joining us. 107 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is a very difficult trial to watch. 108 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: Of all the all the celebrity trials that have gone down, 109 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: this one is just absolutely heartbreaking because everyone's story is traumatic. 110 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: It's not like it's just violence and you just could 111 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: sort of put that in like another category. This is 112 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: real trauma that's being described on and it's not just Cassie, 113 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 1: it's other witnesses that are coming. 114 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 3: Forward, the start of a slippery slope. 115 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you. We'll probably cross back with 116 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: you further down the trial. Thank you so much, Cassie, 117 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: thank you for having me. Thanks cass Thanks Cooper, Cooper. 118 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 3: Lawrence said, thank you Cooper. Yes, and thanks Cassie. 119 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: Thanks Cooper. 120 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 3: Take it easy.