1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: How do you fire yourself up when you need to perform. 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Maybe you have a phrase you like to repeat to yourself. Well, 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: maybe you think about the people who need you to 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: be at your best. Whatever it is, How effective do 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: you think it would be if he had to perform 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: at four point thirty am every day? That's not a 7 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: hypothetical question for breakfast radio host Christian O'Connell. And as 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: much as he loves his job, he's not going to 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: pretend a little pep talk. We'll do the trick at 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: that hour. He needs to outsource his energy sometimes, and 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: when he does, he turns to the best in the business. 12 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: I'm doctor Amantha Imber, an organizational psychologist and the host 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: of How I Work, and I'm trying something a little 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: different for the next few weeks. This is How I Live, 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: a series that gives you an inside look. It's some 16 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: super accomplished people's top strategies for living a happy, productive, 17 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: and impactful life. I want to start with talking about 18 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: physical possessions, and I'd love to know what physical possession 19 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: has improved your life the most over the last couple 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: of years. 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: Well, I actually am such an advocate for this thing 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: that four friends of mine have actually brought one of 23 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: these and are becoming like cult members up myself. It's 24 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: a pedoton, which is a kind of amped up stationary 25 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: exercise bike, but it's a lot more and it's very 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: easy when you buy gym equipment. We all went through 27 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: this in COVID. You know, have all these good intentions, 28 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: it's only just six feet away and you just you 29 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: ready stick to them. But this is one of the 30 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 2: only times in my life where the benefit it actually 31 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: gives me. I'm on that thing four times a week 32 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: and it's been like that for eighteen months. I never 33 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: thought I'd turn into one of those people, but yeah, 34 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: I love it. I absolutely love it. It's interesting if 35 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 2: for people who don't know, Peloton is these on demand 36 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: cycling classes and you can do loads of other stuff 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: as well. And there's something about having a trainer yelling 38 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: at you, being there with you, pushing you, talking to you. 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: They play music. It's kind of like the old days 40 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: of MTV when you have those jobs, the video jocks. 41 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 2: They're creating this atmosphere and energy with you and you're 42 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: in it. It does feel like, even though they pre record, 43 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: like you're in it together and so there's only one instructor. 44 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: I've a ride with Dennis. Dennis has become right obviously, 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: my kids actually think I'm starting having an affair with Dennis. 46 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: I'm going just going to go and ride with Dennis. 47 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: And that guy has actually also reminded me of what 48 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: my job involves, being a presenter on air. It's made 49 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: me be more he's maybe be more present. I would 50 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: advise anyone that want it, wants to become a better presenter, 51 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: to go and get a ploton. You'll get fitter. But 52 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: watch what those people do with how they hold space 53 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: and energy and presence. It's something quite in there's something 54 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 2: going on there that and it's not with any exercise. 55 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: I hate the first twenty minutes, if not half an hour, 56 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: like this is horrendous, and then you pop through, don't you. 57 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: And I think every time you do exercise that's hard 58 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 2: and someone's pushing you and urging you to to dig 59 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: a bit deeper and go a bit harder, what the 60 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: reward you get? And in that that there's always that 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: lesson you're being reminded of of resistance, resistance and then 62 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: the breakthrough and that you're enlarged through the process. But 63 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: you have to be with this. Well, am I going 64 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: to I'm too tired. I'll do this tomorrow. I've had 65 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: a busy day today. You know, all those excuses you 66 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: give yourself of just. I like the simplicity of just. 67 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: They always say just clip in and start to ride 68 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: your bike, and I like that simplicity. 69 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: Now, what's a daily, weekly ritual that has made the 70 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: biggest positive impact on your life over the last few years. 71 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: I've been in breakfast radio for this year, twenty five years, 72 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: and it creates a lot of wear and tear the 73 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: hours do and so as I'm and I'm also fifty 74 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: this year, so I've had to learn how to preserve 75 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: and recharge my energy. I've been. If I could characterize 76 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: a lot of my work in life, it's been high 77 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: per productivity burnout, hyper productivity burnout, and there's no learning 78 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: in that until suddenly get a bit older than light 79 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: the burnout starts to look a bit worse. And so 80 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: it's okay, I do actually need to change the way 81 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: I am. And so I love doing five day week radio. Okay. 82 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: I like the fact that today's show that was a 83 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: really good show. I've got no idea what tomorrow's like, 84 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: and I actually find that interesting. It's a blank canvas. 85 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: I can start again, and I really like that what 86 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: needs to be painting today, what's going to happen? And 87 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: so I used to think that I enjoyed the fact 88 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: of building it from scratch, and I do still enjoy 89 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: that there has to be I don't like too much 90 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: planning because I think it goes into a for me, 91 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: it's less improvising and being spontaneous and available for what 92 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: the show could be, into more or less just doingfor 93 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: the schedule and the runsheet. I can't stand that it's 94 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: the death of being in the moment. I think I 95 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: like about live radio and that connection, but I think 96 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: I do do and I called it leaving something on 97 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 2: the fire, whereas I make myself before I leave the studio. 98 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: I used to like the fact that there was a 99 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 2: blank piece of paper and I would start finding the 100 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: firewood as soon as I got in the next morning, 101 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: whereas now I will write down a couple of ideas. 102 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: It's I could give to myself in the morning, going 103 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: I've got your back. You don't need to It doesn't 104 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: need to be so hard. It can be lighter and 105 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 2: so after I come in the morning and I kind 106 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 2: of forgotten that I did this, even though I've been 107 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: doing it a year now, And straight away I just 108 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: feel an ease of load and of pressure that okay, yeah, yeah, 109 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: and then I can see in the moment, how do 110 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: I feel about those ideas? Yeah, yeah, but I've given 111 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: myself I'm not building it from scratch, not five days 112 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: a week. It's that really helps. And yeah, that leaving 113 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: something on the fire. I do with writing as well. Now. 114 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: So I someone taught me this about six months ago. 115 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: I love this. Never finish on a full to stop 116 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: or end of a line, finish halfway through you know 117 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: what is probably going to happen next. But then when 118 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: you come back to the next day, you're already momentum 119 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: is happening, and so much of creativity is momentum. I 120 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: think in the morning, to get into that momentum state asap, 121 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: then creativity starts to happen. But a lot of people 122 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: think it's waiting for it, So that good luck with that. 123 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: If I waited for creativity, I think I've done maybe 124 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: three radio shows in my life, and no one gets 125 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 2: out of bed at half four. 126 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 3: Gun. 127 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: I've got so much to say. 128 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 4: You're like, I just got into this bed, so I 129 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 4: don't feel funny right now, I don't feel human. 130 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: I might talk to anyone I should be allowed near 131 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 2: on microphone. So yeah, that idea of leaving something on 132 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: the fire, a little bit of kindling is key to me. 133 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: It's really important. 134 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: Now how much do you leave on the fire when 135 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: it comes to radio, Like, what's an example of something 136 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 1: that you've left on the fire in the life? Few days? 137 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: All right, So today's Tuesday. I've done two shows this week. 138 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: There be two or three possible ideas for tomorrow, and 139 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: this is me done now. I will My job really 140 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: is to pay attention to my life, and so when 141 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: interesting conversations come up, weird things, irritating things, I make 142 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: a note of that. I don't need to flesh out 143 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: the whole idea. I just need to know what it is, 144 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: whatever that is. And then later on the evening or 145 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: tomorrow morning, half an hour before the show, I'll go 146 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: back at that and I go, this has still got 147 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: energy physically, it's in my body, not in my head. 148 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: This makes me just tickles me, or I'm curious to 149 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: find out what is this really about? What's the answer 150 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: to this, Yeah, and then it's kind of like starting 151 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: the conversation with the audience. So I don't, I don't. 152 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: I remember watching this interviews documentary about Miles Davis and 153 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: they were saying how his process was that he liked 154 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: to have about seventy five percent planned and then someone asks, 155 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: and what's the other twenty five percent for? He goes, 156 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: that's for God to show up and do the And 157 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,559 Speaker 2: I'm not obviously acquitted myself to Miles Davis of radio 158 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: just three Crystal Clear, But like the idea of it's 159 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: like a conversation with your friends, wouldn't it be awful? 160 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: Think about the best conversations you've had with your friends. 161 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: They're the ones that surprise you and you surprise yourself 162 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: what you were saying or in areas you were getting 163 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: into or just having a laugh. 164 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 3: If you knew. 165 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: Ahead of time exactly what the questions are going to be, 166 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to have that conversation. I try and 167 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: recreate as much as I can with my radio work, 168 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: trying to constantly come back to keeping this like a 169 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: real conversation. 170 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: Now, what's something unusual that you do to feel happier? 171 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: It's something unusual I do that feel happier is breath work. 172 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: I got into this by accident about yeah, literally about 173 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: eight or nine years ago. It was something I really 174 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: learned to help with anxiety and panic attacks at the time, 175 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: and it did a great job of doing that. And 176 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: then I also found that I could breath work. The 177 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: reason why it's becoming so big is it and it's 178 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: been around since year dot. It's a very old thing, 179 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: but suddenly now we're learning different techniques, are doing it, 180 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: and the science is catching up with it, which is amazing. 181 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: Breath work for me basically is a way to up regulate, 182 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: give myself more energy, or downregulate someone that does have 183 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 2: anxiety or anxiety moments. I don't like saying I've got 184 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: anxiety because I don't all the time. It sort of 185 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 2: comes and goes. But anyway, it's a great way to 186 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: bring myself into balance. When I feel that stuff's just 187 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: starting to rise up, I can kind of ride it 188 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: out and so and also I find for creativity, if 189 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: I'm getting stuck or before a writing session, I will 190 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: do five minutes of breath work. It just it energizes me, 191 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: It clears away the debris and I've got into it 192 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: so much. I've recently qualified to become a professional coach, 193 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: which I never I never ever thought i'd start doing that. 194 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: I'm not even entirely sure what I'm going to do, 195 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: but I wanted to learn more about it. I thought 196 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: learning to become a teacher is a great way of 197 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: mastering something. How do you teach someone? And so, yeah, 198 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: I got qualified. I've got a certificate, and I feel 199 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: really like a grown up. I'm not. 200 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: I keep telling what I've got a qualification, and my 201 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: kids the other day they put it up on the fridge. 202 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 4: You know, you know, well done, he's got Best Participation Award. 203 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 4: You know, the DJ can actually do something of value, 204 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 4: and so yeah, it means a yeah. I feel that 205 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 4: it's It's a lovely thing to be able to and 206 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 4: I will I will start coaching people in some capacity 207 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 4: later on this year. 208 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: How are you? I don't know, but yeah, that's something 209 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: people always surprised because a lot of people go, what 210 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: do you mean we breathe? We have to breathe or 211 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: we die, And it's just like we don't realize how 212 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: bad we breathe during the day and every single emotion 213 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: we have on our bodies has its own breath pattern, 214 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: you know, and so actually when you take back control 215 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: of your breath, you start to become aware of that. 216 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: And there is how you can use it. Oh, there's 217 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: and it's free and it's easy. It doesn't take long 218 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: to teach someone hobnoestly an idiot like me who mainly 219 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 2: plays nickelback for a living can become a teacher of it. 220 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: Then. 221 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's something which has made that's made a 222 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: huge difference in my life. It really has. Yeah. 223 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: I remember when I interviewed you on how I work 224 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: I reckon That was over a years. 225 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: Ago, two years ago, something like that in lockdown. 226 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we were and I remember you spoke about that 227 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: and you told me you were going to become a 228 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: teacher and start teaching. And it's funny, I remember that 229 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: a few months ago because I really want to learn 230 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: breath work. I hear a few people talk about it, 231 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: and I feel like I could benefit a lot from it, 232 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: and so I've sort of I've had these moments where 233 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: you're like, I must reach out to Christian and ask 234 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: if he's running class. 235 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: I all about this. And the thing really is, like 236 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: every single high performance athlete, executive, comedian. They all are 237 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: taught breath work. I did a session which would come 238 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 2: into a minute because it relates to one of your 239 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: questions with the guy who teachers and taught Tony Robbins 240 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: breath work twenty years ago. Because Tony is a mode 241 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: or anything that I can help and affect my state, 242 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: then I want to know it. And so it's something 243 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: which high performing athletes when we've been using for years. 244 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 2: I like the idea of why can't we all have it? Then? 245 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: So you are going to know about it if you're 246 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: hugely successful, but the rest of us need it, probably 247 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: more so than you. People say, well, why can't tradees 248 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: or anyone? People who are nervous. Friend of mine was saying, 249 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: I've got to do a speech to everyone at work. 250 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: I've never done it before. I'm dreading it. And so 251 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: within a couple of minutes, I took her through some 252 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: breath work that she can do the day before. And 253 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: when she's revising it and you start to read as 254 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 2: the fear comes up and it just starts to lessen it. 255 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: That's what it is. And then you realize once you 256 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: start to control your breath, you can get it. Working 257 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: for you and everything follows your breath. The rest of 258 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: your nervous state is so obviously linked to you not breathing, 259 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: your heart rate goes up. The attention you put in 260 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 2: your breath will have an incredible return on your mental 261 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: emotional state. 262 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: What is I don't know if protocol is the right word, 263 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: but a simple protocol or routine that you know, I imagine 264 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: people listening. A lot of listeners might be having a 265 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: really stressful day at the moment, or maybe at the 266 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: end of one, or maybe it's about to begin. What 267 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: what's something that people can do to change their state 268 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: through through breath? 269 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: Great, I'm happy to give you a free lesson everyone 270 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: in the demno mode. You know this has been talked 271 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 2: to me. I'm just passing it on. Its I' thinking 272 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: of that sigh of relief, you know, because a lot 273 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: of breath work they emphasize breathing in and that does something. 274 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: But for me, the process of breathing out and actually 275 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: thinking that I'm going to relax now, I'm going to 276 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: let go of something, even if it's physically, you know, 277 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: in your muscle skeletal system, or as a thought or 278 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 2: that person that you've been arguing with for a day 279 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: that actually having that, So you'd literally just breathe in 280 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: and you really actually let go and you kind of 281 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 2: drop back into your body and now Trent will be 282 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: breathing try it through your nose, and so it's one 283 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 2: big in inhalation of chance as another one on top. 284 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: And then say you do that for a couple of cycles, 285 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: like a minute or two, you fill this space and 286 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 2: this grounding in you, and now you think do I 287 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: need to pick up the phone and have a go 288 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: at that person whatever it is. It's not always that 289 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: for me, by the way, but you just it starts 290 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: to just it opens up space in you, and it's 291 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: start that sigh of release and relief. You're breathing in 292 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: and then you're breathing out and you are you're relaxing, 293 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: You're you're letting go of something. The ncy those are 294 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: because often what happens when we get nervous, you get 295 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: in a cold charity is where you're taking in too 296 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: much oxygen. It over stimulates you. You need to just 297 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: need to extend the exhalation. You can do that in 298 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: this in a couple of breaths, you can change the 299 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: state what's a. 300 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: Piece of advice that you have received and applied that's 301 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: immeasurably improved your life. 302 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: Obviously, we are told to, you know, have a gratitude diary, 303 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: be grateful because and they've done all the science that actually, 304 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: you know, trying to foster and have more gratitude day 305 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: to day. Starting your day with it, ending a day 306 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: with it does pay off. But sometimes when you're in 307 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: a tougher time, it's actually it's hard. You tell yourself 308 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: there's nothing to be I don't feel that great for anything. 309 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: I don't want to be having this experience. I'm overwhelmed, 310 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: and everything's a bit small and narrow and confined right now. 311 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: I was having a breath work session with a teacher 312 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: called Dan, and he is someone who's been he's one 313 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: of the first ever breath work teachers. He've been doing 314 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: it like fifty years. And he was telling me this 315 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: story about working with someone who was a Holocaust survivor 316 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: and he was helping her years on with all this 317 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: trauma and a body and she went back to the 318 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: concentration camp and she suddenly remembered she had this memory 319 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: despite she they were in this room where children would 320 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: get sectioned off into it, and you can imagine the 321 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: kind of horror that that room, the stories, and just 322 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: the the actual pain and trauma that held in there. 323 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: And she was saying, how on the wall she suddenly 324 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: saw that at a child's height, a child had etched 325 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: an outline of a butterfly. And it just when you 326 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: hear that, you think that child who would have known 327 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: what that was going on in there, she'd be able 328 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: to find in the dark, literally that I know that 329 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: that's it, to actually still have the presence somewhere in there, 330 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: like an indefeatable spirit, like a flame in there, just 331 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: a flicker of something to actually just draw like a kid, 332 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: just doodle a butterfly there. I almos actually want to 333 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: cry right now? You think I can find something? You know? 334 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: Really it was you know when someone times your story 335 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: and you go that changed my life. I told an 336 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: uber driver the other day that story because he was 337 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: moaning a lot and I want it, almost saying. 338 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: Dude, you must have something that's okay, I've got nothing. 339 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: I've got nothing, And I said, hey, I was in 340 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: this story, and he started to cry because see these 341 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 2: tears in his eyes. He sent me a message the 342 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 2: next day going, I can't stop thinking about the butterfly, 343 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: and I was like, that's so. Now when I'm at 344 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'm like, it's actually been 345 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: a very stressful day. I'm going through a lot right now. 346 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: I just think butterfly and I go, yeah, of course 347 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 2: I can dig a bit deeper. There's something there, and 348 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: I think that actually you need to be almost quite 349 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 2: stubborn in it. Sometimes, like I will, I will find 350 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: something actually, some small thing, and sometimes that that little flicker, 351 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 2: that's what we need. Sometimes it just brings you a 352 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: little bit of warmth when you know, sometimes it feels 353 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: like rice, you know, so it's frozen over an old 354 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: fear or whatever that story you're caught up in. Sometimes 355 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: just having a little way of fostering and just a flickering, 356 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: a little bit of kindling on a fire actually is 357 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 2: what is the start of something else. 358 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: We will be back with Christian soon to hear about 359 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: the quote that he would want to be reminded of 360 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: every day of his life. If you're looking for more 361 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: tips to improve the way you live, I write a 362 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: short fortnightly newsletter that contains three cool things that I've 363 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: discovered that help make my life better in some way. 364 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 1: You can sign up for that at how I work 365 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: dot co. That's how I work dot co. What's a 366 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: fail safe way that you use to get yourself in 367 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: the zone when you need to perform? 368 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean so yeah. My alarm goes off at 369 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: four twenty five. There aren't a lot of comedy clubs 370 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: open early in the morning because you know, it's a 371 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: strange time to try and be I guess entertaining, put 372 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 2: some one on people's face, make them feel something, and 373 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: so you know, you don't feel funny, and so I 374 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 2: have to I have to. I can't have talkers block 375 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: I know. I know that an our half time a 376 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 2: radio show, my radio show is starting, and it needs 377 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 2: it's happening, you know. So it's just like I can't 378 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: really you know whatever. I I've had to really find 379 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 2: ways sometimes when you know, we have stuff going on 380 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: our lives and it's like it feels like it's everywhere, 381 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 2: and you're like. 382 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: How the hell am I gonna don't be funny this morning? 383 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: I'm struggling. I don't want to truck make someone else laugh, 384 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: you know, And so it's finding ways really quickly. I 385 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 2: don't have a lot of time. I'm tired. This needs 386 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: almost help as a zero effort. It just needs to 387 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 2: please start warming me up. And so listening to I 388 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: listened to a lot of podcasts and you know, parents 389 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: and self help all the rest of it. I need 390 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: to have podcasts and I have a playlist of ones 391 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: that just exist to make me laugh, just to bring 392 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: me into the joy of what it's like to be funny, 393 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: to laugh yourself. And that lights me up. I'm literally 394 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. Even now. I can feel my 395 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: body language, my chest is opening up. I feel that already. 396 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: I can feel that I've really lit the fire in 397 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: me of like what a joy I dreamt that I 398 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: would get to do something like this. I'm doing it, 399 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: and I'm going to do it. Okay. The moment you 400 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 2: that you put yourself back into an alignment not of abundance, 401 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: I can't. I don't know how to you come into. 402 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: And I'm lucky to do this. I love doing this, okay. 403 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: And then I look at stuff around me, like I 404 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: was talking earlier about you know what I've left on 405 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 2: the fire, I say, oh, I can chart that on 406 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: the fire out. I really like that. But yeah, that 407 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 2: that what's. 408 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: On your playlist of podcasts there. 409 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: I really like Smartness. I think it's very funny. It's 410 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,719 Speaker 2: it's I think that the I love funny smart people. 411 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: They're just you know, there's something intoxicating about someone who's 412 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: funny can hold a conversation and not the fact that 413 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: it's funny and sometimes it's really surprising and it's interesting 414 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: as well. It's got layers to it, and the three 415 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: of them they work well together, but it just in 416 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: a five twenty minute journey into work, it makes me laugh, 417 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: you know, very quick. So I really like Smartness. Yeah. 418 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: They get great guests on and it's built around the 419 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: art of conversation they do. 420 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: Is there a stand out interview your episode? 421 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: George Clooney one is really really I didn't realize that 422 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 2: guy is a world class storyteller. Yeah, one point, I 423 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: actually I pulled over. I was laughing so hard. It 424 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: was so funny. I rewound it to hear this story again. 425 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 2: It's making we laugh now. So yeah, yeah, the George 426 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: Clooney one is a great one. 427 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: Is there a book that you've read in recent years 428 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: that has fundamentally changed the way you think? 429 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is Nick Cave's book. What a great title. 430 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: This is right, Gellow, this title. I'm obsessed about book titles. 431 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: I love seeing good ones. I'm like, that's a great title. 432 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 2: There's a magic in them, and obsess over them. And 433 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 2: I like helping other people find their But faith, hope 434 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 2: and carnage. That to me, that's all of life, isn't it. Faith, hope, 435 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: and then carnage is the use of the word, oh 436 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 2: and carnage. Wait, what can't you just say faith and hope. No, no, 437 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: no, no no, because that's not that's not the whole. So 438 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 2: the equation of life carnage. And there's a guy whose 439 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 2: son died. That man actually does know what carnage feels 440 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: like and looks like that book taught me more about 441 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: creativity and also the joy of life than any other 442 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: book I've ever ever read. I'd never put a book 443 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: down where so many times where I've just had to 444 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: think and just actually, just like that lie, I need 445 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: to just sit with that a while. What that's opened 446 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 2: up at me. It brought me to tears a couple 447 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 2: of times, because actually, when someone is I think sometimes 448 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 2: when someone's delivering a story that's so rawly personal, you're 449 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: in it with them. It touches some parallel in you. 450 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, and I hope I don't 451 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: know what it's like to lose a child. But there 452 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 2: was something when he talks about grief, which is coming 453 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: for all of us. So much of our life is 454 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: about loss and disappearance and grief and experience. At the moment, 455 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: I oldest ant to moved out two weeks ago, and 456 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: I've got to taste my own grief, and it's disgusting. 457 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,239 Speaker 2: At first, You're like, oh God, no, I don't want this. 458 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: It scares me. I didn't know what to do with 459 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: myself at the moment. Times, but you know, I've gone 460 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 2: back to reading this book. Actually it's like it's like 461 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 2: someone's someone's just put some lights ready for you when 462 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 2: you find yourself on that path. But it gave me 463 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 2: so many I don't know. It just really helped with creativity. 464 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: It helped me, It helped me just nudge me a 465 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: couple of times in my relations with my kids. It 466 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: renewed for a book that actually the whole book isn't 467 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: about the loss of his son, but it does cover 468 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: it in there. It does it in such a beautiful way. 469 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: I'd urge everyone to read it because lost, loss and 470 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: grief is all part of our lives. But it leaves 471 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 2: you feeling invigorated, more hopeful, more generous apart and that 472 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,479 Speaker 2: is that's a miracle. I'm grateful for that book. 473 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: What did it take you about creativity? 474 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: I think it taught that actually our struggles are pain, 475 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: that that can be a way into an even greater, 476 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: more meaningful relationship with your work. Because, like I said, 477 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: I've been doing this some myer twenty five years. The 478 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 2: relationship I had with it five years ago is very 479 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 2: different to the relationship I have with it now, and 480 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 2: so it should. But also, you know, the last time 481 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: we spoke, I was publishing a book about moving to 482 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 2: Australia that hidden in there were me talking about having 483 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: a nervous breakdown and panic attacks. And so I never 484 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: told anyone those stories. My mum and dad didn't even 485 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 2: know that my sister I'd kept it buried. I hadn't realized. 486 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: I was ashamed, and so through having a conversation one 487 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: day with one of my daughters when I was talking 488 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: about vulnerability, she said, what do you know? And I 489 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: felt like, actually I was being a coward. I hadn't 490 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 2: told my kids about I'd had these panic attacks. I 491 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: almost quit this job that you've known me always do. 492 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: I almost quit it. It was that bad. I couldn't 493 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: do it for a while, and I had to recover myself, 494 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's a big process. It was hard, 495 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 2: and so I had to force myself go back into 496 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 2: the bedroom, sit back down the floor, and go, actually, 497 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 2: I know a bit about it, and so I thought 498 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: creativity was about having all the answers, about being having 499 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: something strong body of work that was solid. It's quite 500 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 2: a matchal way of seeing it, really, and actually I 501 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: realized it's not. I didn't realize how much connection extra. 502 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 2: What is creative is its connection, isn't it in actually 503 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 2: being honest and talking about your struggles. It was really 504 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: hard putting that in the book. It was the first 505 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: three chapters, and I dreaded that book coming out. Really, 506 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: I was just like treading it and that I'd over shared, 507 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: that I'd taken off the mask of not just being 508 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: the radio funny guy and hit some funny stories. But 509 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: what I learned from that seeing the messages from people 510 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 2: that I still get is oh, it's yeah, it still 511 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 2: changes me. Now actually it's actually maybe change the direction 512 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: of the rest of my creative life. 513 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: Now. A question that I ask all guests, my final question. 514 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: If I gifted you a plaque to put on your wall, 515 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: so something that you'd like to be constantly reminded of, 516 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: what would you want it to say? 517 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: To line from a poem by a poet called Jack Gilbert. 518 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: He's no relation to Elizabeth Gilbert, but I love this 519 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 2: one line. You can live your whole life, will change 520 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: your life song. So it's just a line of poetry. 521 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: So with a line in a song, but for me 522 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: it's poetry. I only got into poetry in the last 523 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 2: couple of years. We must risk delight. I love that 524 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: because it's about It's about risking yourself, isn't it. Because 525 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 2: if you don't risk delight, you try and keep yourself 526 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: safe from the heartbreak in life, you're actually you're actually 527 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 2: unplugging from all the joy as well. We have to 528 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: risk delight. To be delighted is to risk and it's 529 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: something that I think about every day, even when my 530 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: radio show's going wrong right and I'm like and my 531 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: team go to me, what we're going to do now, 532 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: and thinking, yeah, well, are we actually going to do. 533 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: And I'm seeing the song counting down with thirty seconds 534 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: and I don't know. I don't know, and I need 535 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: to talk and I don't know. 536 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 4: And I think of Jack Gilbert's work and I'm like, well, 537 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 4: you weren't off Living Radio DJ. 538 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 3: You it's a poet around all day. Figure this start. 539 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 4: We must risk delight And I'm like, okay, we go again, 540 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 4: and so yeah, risk yeah, to risk ourselves, to be 541 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 4: more generous, to give yourself away not knowing what you're 542 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 4: going to get back, and maybe you get nothing. But 543 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 4: that is where the real that's where the real threshold 544 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 4: is between holding back and be more generous with yourself 545 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 4: and the world. 546 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: And it's very hard. It's really really hard because we 547 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 2: feel that life demands so much from us and sometimes 548 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: you know, it's like, say, you must respond to the call. 549 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you can't. Actually sometimes you go not today, 550 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: I'm not responding to twenty cours. But yeah, we must 551 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: risk delight. Is that means a lot to me? That does? 552 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that Christian For people that want to 553 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: connect with you and hear more of what you are 554 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: putting out into the world, obviously they can listen to 555 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: the Christian O'Connell Breakfast Show on Gold one oh four. 556 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: How else can they get more Christian in their lives? 557 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 2: Well, if you do. I'm also just about to launch 558 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: to a podcast called The Stuff of Legends, where I 559 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 2: chat to well known people and I ask them telling 560 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: the story of their life and three objects. And the 561 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: reason why I love that is because actually, when they 562 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: start telling you about these objects, they're telling you about 563 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: themselves in their life. They don't realize it. For me, 564 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 2: who's someone who believes that there's magic in storytelling, I 565 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: love it. How all the guests I've interviewed was Russell 566 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 2: Brand or you know, Ricky Gervais, arthors Go, I haven't 567 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 2: shared that story in years, and you know, so much 568 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: of an interview is you've probably heard that story five times. 569 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: And so I'm more interested in getting into newer areas. 570 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: And I find that sometimes the objects, it's not about 571 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: how much they are worth. They reveal so much about 572 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: our lives. There's so much magic in there. So yeah, 573 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: you can find that way if you get your podcast. 574 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: You can find me on Instagram as well. 575 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: Awesome Christian, It's been an absolute delight. 576 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: I love chatting to you. I really do. I've actually 577 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: you've reminded me of a couple of things Siday actually 578 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: with your patients and your inquiry. So thank you very 579 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: much and thank you for what you do as well 580 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: my pleasure. 581 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing part of your day 582 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: with me by listening to How I Live. 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