1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Let's get into it though, and joining me in the 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: studio right now is the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner. I'm 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: not sure whether that mullet is starting to grow yet. 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Good morning to your Chief Finister. 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: Morning Katie. The bad news I had over the weekends. 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: It'll take about three months before it is a mullet. Then, 7 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: obviously the bet doesn't start until I have a mullet. 8 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: And I've got the five grand, So five grand a month, yeap, 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: So I'll definitely have a mullet for a month. 10 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Well. And it is for a very good cause, isn't 11 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: It's for mental health, so it is well worth the effort. 12 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: I see though that you've had a bit of interest 13 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: from some of the leaders from other states and territories, 14 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: Mark McGowan posting a photo of what I thought was 15 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: a very impressive mullish if indeed he's able to grow that. 16 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 2: He's put up a photo of a mullet and done 17 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: some sledging, but he hasn't put any dollars in yet, 18 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: so I've had a crack at him about that. Mate, 19 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: put your hand in your pocket, got to spuritically and 20 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: has donated, which is very generous of here. So I 21 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: thank her for that. I guess the's challenge out there 22 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: to that the leaders now is either donate or grow one. 23 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly right. I think that's a pretty pretty look. 24 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: It is a great thing to do, I think for 25 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: a good cause. And we know that mental health pticularly 26 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: when you talk about mental health and young people, but 27 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: our blokes as well, it's something that we don't talk 28 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: often enough about. So I do think that it's a 29 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: good thing to do. 30 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Black Dog Institute is who I'm supporting here and 31 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: you probably correct that. Well, mental health is becoming saying 32 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: we can talk about easier. It's pppoed still blokes who 33 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: don't talk about it enough. 34 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well let's move along because there is so much 35 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: to cover off on this morning. And as you heard, 36 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: or as we've all heard, a history making by election 37 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: on the weekend, Labors Daran Young taking the seat from 38 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: the COLP. Now Chief Minister, what do you think this 39 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: victory says for your government? 40 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's historic and it's humbling and I thank them 41 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 2: very much for their support. We won't take that for granted. 42 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: There's a general election in a three years time and 43 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: Gerana have to keep working very hard to make sure 44 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 2: people feel that we are listening to them and acting 45 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: on them and on their concerns in the Daily electorate. 46 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: But the same probably goes for the COP This is 47 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: a rejection of them in the seat of Daily and 48 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: they held Daily by one hundred voats. If you look 49 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: at similar seats Barkley Namadura, they hold Barkley by I 50 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: think five votes, Namadura by twenty votes. We don't take 51 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: for granted that we can win those seats. It's at 52 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four election. We work hard for that, 53 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: but I think there's now a very strong message to 54 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: the SALP that they should not take those seats for granted. 55 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: There was a massive vote turnout in what Air, which 56 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: is where mister Young pold really well, and I think 57 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: you'd agree the seat was literally one. The votes for 58 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: Labor were not as strong though in locations like Berry 59 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: Springs and Cooler Lingo. Why do you think that is 60 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: we have to. 61 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 2: Keep working hard to represent those people in the rural area. 62 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: Be fair to say, I don't think Labour's done well 63 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: at that over the journey over many decades. So it's 64 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: like we have to keep trying to listen to and 65 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: respond to concerns in the rural areas. There was a 66 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: five set swing to us in Cooling, which I thought 67 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: was interesting. But having said that, we didn't win the 68 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: rural area. Very very fair to say that, and you 69 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: have to acknowledge things like that to be able to 70 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: work out, right, what is it that we're doing in 71 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: the rural area and how do we keep responding to it. 72 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: But obviously the significant increase in both turnout and vote 73 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: for us in the remote areas shows those things we're 74 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 2: doing around remote housing and roads are translating and we'll 75 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: keep working harder that we won't take of granted. 76 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: Some of the issues that have been raised with us 77 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: over such a long period of time out the electrac 78 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: of daily have been things like the health clinic at 79 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: at Dundee and also the likes of the telecommunications in 80 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: the electorate. Are they things that you are going to 81 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: focus on and try to fix. 82 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: So telecommunications is one we often find difficult. We agree 83 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: with people and depending on the location, it's US or 84 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: more often the Australian government that's working of Telstra. We've 85 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: put money in to co fund with telt often solutions 86 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: on telecommunications. It's an extremely difficult one, but one that 87 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: I agree with. Territory is a huge place and often 88 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: we have black spots when it comes to comms, and 89 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: we have to keep chipping away at that. 90 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: Fixing it. 91 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: The wind does give you a little bit more regal room. 92 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: And let's be honest, we know that you've still got 93 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: Mark Turner obviously, who holds the seed of Blaine. I mean, 94 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: is this an opportunity maybe to cut him. 95 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: Loose, Well, that's a question for the party. Obviously his 96 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: membership status. We've made it clear as a caucus that 97 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: we had a loss of trust there and we obviously 98 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: now welcome drand into our caucus and how we work 99 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: through that. So we's got to keep working hard for 100 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: people across in normal territory, whether they vote for us 101 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: or not. It's critical that you keep doing everything you can. 102 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: And the biggest issue I think at the moment we've 103 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: got this all the way through the very diverse letter 104 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: of Daily is COVID and that's still very much front 105 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: and center. 106 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: For you though. I mean, you have obviously got somebody 107 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: who's part of your team who did the wrong thing. 108 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: You and I have discussed this on numerous occasions on 109 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: this very show. Would you like to see him maybe ousted? Now? 110 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: Like I said, you do have a bit more wriggle 111 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: room there. 112 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: Well, we've made it clear to the party as an 113 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: entire caucus, not just just me as chief, that we 114 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: felt he there's a lot of trust there for us, 115 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: and that's something that we've acted on. So we've done 116 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: the most that we can. Remains a question before the 117 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: party itself, But for me, my priority can't be worrying 118 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: about that. My priority has got to be dealing with COVID. 119 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: That's the important thing. So I get that these are issues. 120 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're not, But I think people get 121 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: worried if I ever get distracted from hy sees my 122 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: day job, which is working on things like COVID. 123 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: I guess so for the people that live in that 124 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: electric there may be feeling as though, you know, the 125 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: member for Blaine is not as effective as what he 126 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: could be, and that maybe somebody else would be able 127 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: to do the job better. 128 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: Well, I think he's still working way in the Elee 129 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 2: trip doing what local members do. 130 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: It is obviously not in our. 131 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: Party room, but he's still chipping away, I think, And 132 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: it's up to obviously Territorians, they're the ones that get 133 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 2: to say on this. So next general election the people 134 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: are blaming ge to choose who their local member is 135 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: and Mark Turnery putting the best case forward for himself 136 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: that he can all. 137 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: Right, moving along, we know that on the weekend you 138 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: publicly endorse the Sambar party which was held off Culum Bay. 139 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: We now know that a large police contingent was required 140 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: to manage what could have been a pretty dangerous situation 141 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: when those tides rose. Why did you endorse that? 142 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: I think there's two things here. 143 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: Can you have the Sandbar party, and then there's how you 144 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: manage the exit from the Sandbar party. 145 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: With the fact that we're COVID. 146 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: Free, we can have parties like this, and it's obviously 147 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 2: no new thing having a party out at the Sandbar. 148 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: I think over the journey. 149 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: The've rais around one hundred thousand for charity, and I 150 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: know one of the organizers has made comment to this effect. 151 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: They ended their set an hour and a half early 152 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: to allow people the opportunity to exit from the Sandbar. 153 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 2: I completely agree with police that the manner of exit 154 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: wasn't great, and I agree with police that was just 155 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: stressing to see some marine hell heal marine safety incidents 156 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: always could be mindful of the safety of others, and 157 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 2: that wasn't the case I think, on exit for some 158 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: of those patrons. But obviously I support the idea of 159 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: having a good lifestyle in the territory. I'm completely comfortable 160 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: with that, but I'll fully support police about the manner 161 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: of exit. 162 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: Do you know if they were required to follow the 163 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: same strict health protocols I guess that others have to 164 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: when organizing an event. I were the public health officials 165 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: sent out there to check that everything. You know, that 166 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: there was the QR codes being utilized and that kind 167 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: of thing. 168 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: So I understand they had a QR checking system, and 169 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: I understand that a COVID nineteen safe plan health might 170 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: be our comment whether they did actual environmental health visit 171 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: or not. Obviously police were present, and police had the 172 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: same important powers about have you got a QR system, 173 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: are you using the QR system, and et cetera. But 174 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: I understand they followed that. They also had a rubbish plan, 175 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: which I think it's important. They had a barge et 176 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 2: cetera that took away the rubbish off the. 177 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: Samba, so You don't have an issue with the party happening. 178 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: It's more just the way that things were managed in 179 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: terms of people getting off off the samba. 180 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: Well, the sambapeys were a long tradition. I know I've 181 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: gone out previously with the sailing club and I think 182 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: it was selling club as. 183 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: A trade biak club. 184 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: Anyway, the great cricket matches you can have out there, 185 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: so having events on the sandbars a long term dar 186 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: and tradition. I think we want to see people exit 187 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: the sandbar safely. I think a few people didn't have 188 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: plans for exit. That's pretty obvious. 189 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: All right, Let's talk about these lockdowns and the vaccination 190 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: rates in the Northern Territory. Last time we spoke, you 191 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: said once those vaccination rates reach eighty percent here in 192 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: the NT, there would be changes to the ways in 193 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: which territorians could deal with COVID. Now you flagged quarantining 194 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: at home as a possible incentive for people who are vaccinated. 195 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: Since then, those vaccination rates have been revealed, and the 196 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: NT News reported on the weekend that in eleven communities 197 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: the percentage of people vaccinated is at ten percent all below. 198 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: We know though that that revelation comes as John Patterson, 199 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: the CEO of am SAND, has called for ninety to 200 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: ninety five percent of Indigenous Territorians to be vaccinated before 201 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: the border is open. Can I just clear this up? 202 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: Are we trying to reach eighty or ninety to ninety 203 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: five percent? Here? 204 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: There's a bit here for that mine if I work 205 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 3: it through. 206 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: So for me, it's really critical we release individual community 207 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: data and where they're at for a couple of reasons. One, 208 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: it focuses our effort where it needs to be. Now 209 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: the good news bad news. The good news is those 210 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: communities that have low vax rates are quite small in 211 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: population number, so I think we can get quick turnarounds there. 212 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: But obviously towards the end of October will know essentially 213 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: if that's a choice versus a chance. So I want to 214 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: everyone have a chance, But towards the end of October 215 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: will know people are making active choices and not be vaccinated. Now, 216 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: the national plan essentially comes in three parts as a formula, 217 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: how many cases you've got where its've got zero new 218 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: so Victoria have cases your vax rate and obviously hitting 219 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: apcent double dose that's our target. 220 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 3: And then the public Health safety measures that you have. 221 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: So for Stage three of national Plan it is eighty 222 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 2: percent double dose. 223 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: I have asked Dougherty for modeling. 224 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: About whether it needs to be a different figure in 225 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: remote Aboriginal communities because of their the younger ages. So 226 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: we'll wait on that advice, but at the moment still 227 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: add sent double dose is what we're raiming for now. 228 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: Why we need a release in visual community data is 229 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: we may need to put public health safey measures around 230 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: some of those communities. Want people to know why we're 231 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: doing it if we have to do it, so it's 232 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: clearing on the record that isn't about protecting vulnerable people. 233 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: If we have to do public health safety measures. 234 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: There, it does go against swart am sand to whatever 235 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: Aboriginal health leaders want to happen. They say that by 236 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: identifying those communities that it could actually be detrimental and 237 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: could do the wrong thing. 238 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: I think we have to have public confidence and decisions 239 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: we make, so I want people to have confidence that 240 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: we're working in the areas we need to work. So 241 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: here the thoughs rate numbers and if we do a 242 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 2: public health safety measure, you know, the extreme example of 243 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: this will be bringing back by a security zones. That's 244 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: a commworth power. That's an extreme example. If you're going 245 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 2: to do that, people need to know why you're doing it. 246 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: Otherwise it looks like you're picking a community for no reason. 247 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: The land councils are flag a policy around double dose 248 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: added to go into a remote community for example. I mean, 249 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: these are examples of public health safety measures. If you're 250 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: going to do those, people need to know why you're 251 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: doing it. And I respect people's choice. Right If the 252 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: community has made a choice to be to say no 253 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: to the vaccine or the vaccine complacent or whatever it 254 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: might be, whatever a category that no falls into, then 255 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: that's fine, but we have to put public health safety 256 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: measure around that to keep you safe and to make 257 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: sure we don't overlay our health system. 258 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: Now The Australian Today is reporting that Western Australia is 259 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: working on plans to lock down remote Aboriginal communities with 260 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: those low vaccination rates when it lifts state in international borders. 261 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: So health officials concerned that there are actually American evangelists 262 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: who were scaring residents into refusing vaccines. Now, the WA 263 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: Health Minister Roger Cook confirmed that he'd spoken to his 264 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: federal counterpark Greg Hunt to request support to lock down 265 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: communities with low COVID nineteen vaccination rates once those border 266 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: restrictions were relaxed. Their most recent publicly available vaccination data 267 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: for WA's Northern Outback region. It was released last Monday, 268 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: and it showed that just twenty eight percent of adults 269 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: have had one dose, compared to fifty three percent across 270 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: the entire state. It is a much higher rate than 271 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: what we're seeing in some of our remote Northern Territory communities. 272 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: Are you looking at potentially doing the same thing here 273 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory? Could we have a situation where 274 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: some of those remotemmunities, if they're not moving forward with 275 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: those vaccinations, could we actually they be locked down? 276 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: I was clear up think our remote vaccination rate by 277 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: region is the best in the country. 278 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: So we're nation leading. 279 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: Them below ten percent. 280 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: So if you think about the percentage figures that the 281 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: WA released, they've got communities worse than that. So because 282 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 2: its averages out, we've got some communities, quite small communities. 283 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: It's more populations that have a bad vas rate and 284 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: we can now target our work there. But the remote 285 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: rate full stop is the best in the country. It's 286 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 2: not where I want it. I want it to be 287 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: a lot higher. But as I flagged, I think an 288 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: extreme measure what I don't want to do because it 289 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 2: is resource intensive, requires interdiction points, and it means that 290 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: a very vulnerable community will be a biosecurity zone. I 291 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: flagged down in the past. We did it last year. 292 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. 293 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: So you even if we've got a community who are 294 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: not wanting to get vaccinated, let's say that those vaccination 295 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: rates stay quite low, and despite work happening in that community, 296 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: you're not able to get those vax rates up. You're 297 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: not going to close those communities off. 298 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 3: No, No, I'm saying I don't want to. I'm not saying 299 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: I won't. I don't want to do that. That has 300 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 3: to be an option. 301 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: There has to be an option if for vACC rates 302 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: days low that there's been allegations around why people might 303 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: be saying no down in Central Australia. So put another 304 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: thing for clarity. The low wax rate communities we have 305 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 2: are basically all Central Australia and the Barkley. So top 306 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: ends actually going okay, very well. Character you look at 307 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: the figures and that's important. The wet season coming up 308 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: Central Australia, mainly small communities. The Congress, which is a 309 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: ational community corol health sector down analysis down in the center. 310 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: I have said that at the moment this is going 311 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,599 Speaker 2: to be rough, paraphrasing from an article. They go the 312 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: other day, six in TENNI saying yes, three in Tenni 313 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: saying not today, and one are Tenna saying no. So 314 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: that not today, three and ten That worries me. That's complacency. 315 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 2: Vaccine complacency. I think there's a bit of that in 316 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: the territory. I think it's worse than WA. But people thinking, oh, 317 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: we've been COVID free, I can just not bother doing 318 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 2: it yet, Well, I'm sorry, you really have to do it. 319 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: But so by the sounds of it, you're not actually 320 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: ruling out locking down some of those remote communities. If 321 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: we're not able to get those vaccination rates high, that's. 322 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: A public health safety measure you have to keep on 323 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: the table. Can only do it with the Komwalf's doubles 324 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: flag in the same thing, so the Komonworth would have 325 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: to agree to. I'd also pay want to talk of 326 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: land councils and amcent It probably depends on whether the 327 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: remote community is as well. But if you have a 328 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 2: remote community that has made the choice, if it's a 329 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: chance thing, I don't think you've got to do this. 330 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 3: You're going to keep working it through. But there made 331 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 3: a choice to be a low vaxed. 332 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: Community, then what do you do to protect the vulnerable 333 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: in that community? And it may be a biosecurity, don't 334 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: I can't rull it. 335 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: Out, Okay, So that is an option that's on the 336 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: table at this point in time. I mean, I guess 337 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: the thing is it's getting really difficult in the sense 338 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: that we've then got industry leaders that are calling for 339 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: a greater plan when it comes to what's going to 340 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: happen once we reach that eighty percent number. It will 341 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: mean that, well, we're hoping I guess many in the 342 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: industries are hoping that it may mean that if they 343 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: do have a vaccinated workforce, it will mean that they 344 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: don't have to maybe close off or going to lockdown. 345 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: If we are in a situation where we've got a 346 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: case that comes into the territory, is that something that 347 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: you're looking at at the moment. 348 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: There's two questions in front of us when we hit 349 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: double dose A, not if when we hit double dose AD. 350 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: We have no restrictions that we are open. So the 351 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: planets are victorians of Wales, but how do they get 352 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: to where the territory is? So we've got protect that 353 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: we're open. So the two questions front of us are 354 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: how do you handle quarantine and hard borders which is 355 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: the home based quarantine option, and we're doing the work 356 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: around how we can do that in a safe, fair way, 357 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: So that's that question. Then the other question, obviously is 358 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: if there is a case in the territory, how to 359 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: irrespond to that. 360 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 3: Now. 361 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: I think because of the way we've done lockdowns so far, 362 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: this might have led to some misunderstandings. We're in stage 363 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: one of the National Plan, so we've got vaccination rate 364 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: below seventy percent and the whole countries, and that's in 365 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: Stage one National Plan. Our lockdowns today are considered Stage 366 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: three lockdowns, highly targeted, specific and short. So the National 367 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: Planet Stage three actually recommends the style of lockdown we've 368 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: had today. I can't rule out not doing lockdowns in 369 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 2: the future. I don't want to. What we have at 370 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: APS and double dose is the capacity to have one 371 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: extra tool in the toolkit, and that's a lockout or 372 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: to borrow a phrase that they've been using Victoria to 373 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: the scre the difference between these two. So a lockout 374 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: is when you can allow the vaccinated workforce to keep working. 375 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: That wouldn't that. 376 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: I'll give you perhaps two examples with the tantam I 377 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: and the incident we had there that will probably still 378 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: mandate a lockdown. That was extremely concerning incident with the millions. 379 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: Even if we're eighty percent vaccination, right. 380 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: That's recommended in the National Plan. 381 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: So as a member the National Cabinet, I can assure 382 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: you how we do lockdowns is what National Plans stays 383 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: three recommends that our method of lockdown. So for the 384 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: Tanaa incident, absolutely a lockdown. For the military contractor, it 385 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: may have been a lockout instead of a lockdown. Now, 386 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: the only jurisdictions that have gone to this lockout phase 387 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: to borrow that phrase Victoria and arguably News have Wales. 388 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: They're doing it not to get to COVID zero. They're 389 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: doing it to manage the growth of coronavirus. Want to 390 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: be clear here, a lockout might be a scenario where 391 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 2: we have community transmission NORN territory and we can't get 392 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: it back to zero. That's why a lockdown probably remains 393 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: the best most effective method. 394 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: So what exactly is going to change here? 395 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: Well, territory is ahead of the so unlike the rest 396 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: of the country, we have no restrictions here. 397 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: But so what's like once we get to eighty percent vaccination? Right, 398 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: what exactly is going to change? Is it just going 399 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: to be that you can maybe quarantine from home? Yes, 400 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: how much is that going to cost? I know that 401 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: you have said that it is something that even if 402 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: you're quarantining from home territory, it's going to have to 403 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,119 Speaker 1: pay that bill themselves, mate. 404 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: I said, we may charge them for the compliance checks. 405 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: So obviously you can't charge them with staying at their 406 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: own house, but obviously it costs money you do compliance 407 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: in and around someone staying at their own home for. 408 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: Quarantine, we may charge that. 409 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: That's not the decision that we've made, so obviously we're 410 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: working that through. 411 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: So how much is that going to cost? If you 412 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: are going to have to charge for a compliance check? 413 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: Surely that's something that you've been looking at. 414 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it depends on the method of compliance you choose. 415 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 2: So I haven't got a figure for you, ye, because 416 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: obviously depends on the mixture between the app. So we've 417 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: got access to the West Australian app Good to Go 418 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: and the measure sorry, the mixture of in person compliance 419 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 2: checking by police or others. So it's just working that 420 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: through and then it might be we say that's a 421 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: cost that we can bear, or might be that we 422 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: ask for assistance with that. 423 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: Surely we're at a point where, really, if we're encouraging 424 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: everybody to get to eighty percent and you want them 425 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: all to be at eighty percent by October, like literally 426 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,239 Speaker 1: that's next month. I'm just looking at the fact that 427 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: we're mids or almost mid September, the thirteenth of September, 428 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: Now that's next month. Surely you've got a pretty fair 429 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: idea if that's realistically. The only thing that's going to 430 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: change exactly how much it is going to to quarantine 431 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: from home. 432 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: End of October early November is wh we're looking at here. 433 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: So we've got a litle bit of time to make 434 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: sure we really work this out right. Obviously doing a 435 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: lot of work with doctor Hegey about the circumstances of 436 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: home based quarantining, so they'll obviously have a big impact 437 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: on this. So we've got quite a few weeks here 438 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 2: to get this sort and we will do. 439 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: That all right now, we know that Dave Malone from 440 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: Master Builders has publicly called for a refocus away from lockdowns. 441 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: He believes that better communication of key details between government 442 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: and industry could alleviate those issues. Could we utilize a 443 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: messaging system which is similar to what we do in 444 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: a cyclone for example. 445 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: Method remains and is available to the turch controller and 446 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: EOC and they can use They can choose when they 447 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: use that or not. 448 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: I don't tell them how to do that. 449 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 2: So if they want to use that messaging system they can, 450 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: that's just a choice for the EOC. So to date, though, 451 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: I'd suggest our lockdowns have been incredibly effective. We've had 452 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: eight days of lockdown in Darwin. I think they're over 453 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 2: twenty and twenty in Melbourne. 454 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so if you are an industry that's 455 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: been lockdown for those eight days, so it has an 456 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: enormous impact. And so what a lot of these industries 457 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: are now wondering is if they do have their workforce vaccinated, 458 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 1: if they are at that point where they've got their 459 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: whole workforce vaccinated, are they still going to be shut 460 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: down if we have a case like we did last 461 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: time with that defense worker who came into the territory. 462 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 2: So the purpose of a lockdown's stop movement. Even if 463 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: you've vaccinated, you can transmit the virus, So the purpose 464 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: of lockdown remains, and our lockdowns are stays three lockdowns, 465 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: So I can't I can't rule out going into lockdown. 466 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 3: So obviously our lockdowns have been pay. 467 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: So just to make it really clear, literally, the only 468 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: thing that is going to change for the Northern Territory 469 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: once we get to that eighty percent facts nation rate 470 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: is the fact that you'll hopefully be able to quarantine 471 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: from home. 472 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're here the rest of the country, so territories 473 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: have basically been living Stage three lifestyle. Victorianus of well 474 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: act want to be where we are, but for the 475 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: majority of Australia we're already at Stay three. 476 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: So quarantining from home is going to be the sticking point. 477 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: If you have been into state and if you come 478 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: back to the territory, if you've vaccinated, that's what you'll 479 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:24,239 Speaker 1: be able to do. 480 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: And we're working on I'm working on what that will 481 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: look like and I'm hopeful it'll be very very good 482 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: and people will. 483 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: Like it, but it's not going to make any change 484 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: whatsoever realistically to our lockdowns. 485 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 3: So our lockdowns are what Stage three and National Plan recommends. 486 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: And so I guess to all of those listeners out 487 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: there this morning who are thinking is it worth me 488 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: getting vaccinated, that is the message for them that you're 489 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: not going to have to Obviously you're not going to 490 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: have to quarantine out of Howard Springs if you go away. 491 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: And come back, and there will be advantages of vaccinated 492 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: people working that through. So one of the things I've 493 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: said at national cabinets is when we talk about vaccinations, 494 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: we can't talk about easing restrictions because for five five 495 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: states and territories there are no restrictions. Well, we're going 496 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: to talk about and vantages of vaccinated people. So over 497 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: the journey that will come forward as well we do 498 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 2: things advantage of vaccinated person because for majority of us 499 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 2: in Australia we don't have restrictions. 500 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: I do just want to take you to an email 501 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: that we've received from a listener last week. It says 502 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: I've been vaccinated since March twenty twenty one, and like 503 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: many Territorians who are originally from interstate, I'd like to 504 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: see my family at Christmas time in Victoria. The last 505 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: two years has been extremely difficult for many Territorians who 506 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: have family and friends interstate. We've been understanding impatient with 507 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: border closures as we understand the importance of protecting our 508 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: vulnerable indigenous populations. However, it's getting extremely frustrating as there's 509 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: been no clarity on the future travel in and out 510 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory for vaccinated Territorians. And it goes 511 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: on to ask what the plan is for Christmas time? 512 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: So are we going to be in a situation if 513 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: we have been vaccinated, we go away at Christmas time? 514 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: What's going to be the situation for those people who 515 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: then return to the Northern terirt. 516 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 2: I'm extremely confident I can give you that advice well 517 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: and truly before Christmas. So obviously the two things are 518 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: what will home based quarantining look like? And then the 519 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: method and date on which we can twitch to that. Now, 520 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: if territories keep doing what they're doing and don't be 521 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: complacent about the vaccine, you don't take the not today 522 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: attitude that I am very confident we can do all 523 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: that prior to Christmas. 524 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: Okay, I am just going to ask you about one 525 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: last topic. We've run out of time, but I do 526 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: want to just ask. We know that we are now 527 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: in a situation where with the IKAK there are three 528 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: of the people named in the IKAK report into the 529 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: Turf Club are now taking legal action against the ICACK. 530 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: We know that the j TEX general manager, Matthew Moss 531 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: is the latest to launch legal action against the Northern 532 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: Territories Independent Commissioner against Corruption. We know that that obviously 533 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: is added to two others who have done the same, 534 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: Chief Minister, are you concerned about where this is all 535 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: going to land in terms of this IICQ report and 536 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: now essentially three of those people who had adverse findings 537 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: now taking the i CAAC to court and how much 538 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: it could potentially cost the Northern Territory tax payer? 539 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think when things go to court, you've got 540 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: all first for I've got be carefully not coming on it. 541 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: Then you've goa wait and see what the result is 542 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: and what you might need to do as a result 543 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: of that. So I think in this instance, in terms 544 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 2: of court action, it's wait and see. 545 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: Now, I also want to know where is that separate 546 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: review into the EYECAC, which is being conducted by Greg Shanahan. 547 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: Where's it Ash? 548 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I think the former CEO of Tourney General 549 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: Justice has been nearly complete with that work. And once 550 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: that's done, we'll then go through we'll work it out 551 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: with Greg and the CHAP. 552 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: We'll then get through a public process. 553 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: And so how far away are you anticipating? A couple 554 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: of weeks? 555 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 3: I will thought so, Yeah, a couple of. 556 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: Weeks and so then it will be made public. 557 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I think that's quite reasonable. Couple 558 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: of weeks. We're very close. 559 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: Well, hopefully by the next time we chat we'll know 560 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: more about that. Chief Minister Michael Gunner will leave it there. 561 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: Thanks for your time this morning.