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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf. Join the conversation with Katie Wolf.

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Speaker 2: You are our eyes and ears in the territory.

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Speaker 1: Next one oh four point.

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Speaker 3: Nine joining us live in the studio is the Police

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Speaker 3: Commissioner Jamie Chalker.

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Speaker 1: Good morning morning, Cody. Commissioner. Good to have you in

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Speaker 1: the studio.

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Speaker 3: And I tell you what, there's certainly been a lot

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Speaker 3: happening this week, and quite a bit of discussion on

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Speaker 3: the show has really centered around the changes to the

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Speaker 3: youth bail laws. The government says if a young person

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Speaker 3: commits a serious breach of bail, their bail's going to

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Speaker 3: be revoked and they will be taken into remand a

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Speaker 3: serious breach of bail is going to include reoffending while

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Speaker 3: on bail, breaching certain electronic monitoring conditions in curfew, as

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Speaker 3: well as failing to attend court and failing to complete

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Speaker 3: youth diversion. These changes are of course aimed at making

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Speaker 3: it harder for offenders to breach bail and to stop

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Speaker 3: repeat offending. Commissioner, A number of these changes are going

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Speaker 3: to impact, as I would imagine, the day to day

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Speaker 3: operations of police. How are they going to be managed now?

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Speaker 3: From a police perspective in terms of those changes flowing through.

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Speaker 4: When the legislation comes into force, We've already got a

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Speaker 4: lot of policy and process that's been articulated. We're finally

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Speaker 4: signing that off today. Obviously, given the passage of the

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Speaker 4: legislation only occurred in the last sort of thirty six

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Speaker 4: hot hours, We've already prepared some instructional videos as well

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Speaker 4: for our people. There'll be process charts that'll be there,

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Speaker 4: particularly for our custody sergeants who are based in our

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Speaker 4: primary watchhouses and our territory duty superintendents and watch commanders

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Speaker 4: are also going to be critically briefed on it, so

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Speaker 4: all the shifts that occur, all the shifts sergeants will

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Speaker 4: have an obligation to brief our people as well as

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Speaker 4: obviously sending through the fact sheets for them to be

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Speaker 4: able to understand the legislation and how we can utilize it.

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Speaker 3: There is no doubt that there's a lot of different

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Speaker 3: perspectives on these changes. There are some who've been calling

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Speaker 3: wrong direction and that it's going to mean that more

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Speaker 3: young people are locked up. I mean, at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day, Nobody wants to see young people locked up,

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Speaker 3: but nobody wants to see young people out on the

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Speaker 3: street commit in crimes either, And we certainly don't want

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Speaker 3: to see the same volume of victims that we've had

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Speaker 3: and that we've spoken to on this show in recent months.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that this is going to make a difference,

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Speaker 3: We certainly do.

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Speaker 4: Hence the reason we've worked very closely to put forward

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Speaker 4: how we think things are going to work. And obviously

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Speaker 4: the government of the days now past legislation that we

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Speaker 4: have an obligation to ensure we're adhere to. So that's

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Speaker 4: why we've taken all the preparatory steps to make sure

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Speaker 4: that we'll have a police force that's well informed with this.

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Speaker 4: At this heart, we've always had the focus that we

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Speaker 4: know the success rates of diversion. We're actively trying to

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Speaker 4: encourage youth to complete diversion at the first opportunity that

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Speaker 4: will assist in diverting them away. So we've been saying

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Speaker 4: people are to get out there in protest and make

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Speaker 4: all sorts of other noises. But I'm not seeing them

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Speaker 2: People are out there.

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Speaker 4: So let's lift as a community and start supporting these

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Speaker 3: So you reckon some of those advocates and some of

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Speaker 3: They've got to put their money where their mouth is

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Speaker 4: That's the offer I'm making for them. We're more than

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Speaker 4: happy to work with everybody. And we've been saying this

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Speaker 3: Now can you talk our listeners through some of those

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Speaker 4: So through twenty twenty, we assessed the offending rates sixteen

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Speaker 2: Arrested, bailed, committed further offense, arrested, bailed, and so it went.

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Speaker 4: We've got any number of them with upwards of twenty

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Speaker 4: Importantly, the legislation isn't retrospective, so it will only come

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Speaker 4: into force for those that receive bail for any offense

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Speaker 3: Now that Bail Act is going to be obviously amended

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Speaker 3: to expand that list of prescribed defenses so it means

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Speaker 3: two offenses like unlawful entry, unlawful use of a motor vehicle,

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Speaker 3: assault of a worker, assault of police, and other serious offenses.

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Speaker 3: How come things like threats to kill and home and

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Speaker 3: business invasion weren't needed to be on that list.

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Speaker 4: Well, at the end of the day, I think most

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Speaker 4: in the event that we.

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Speaker 2: Seek to oppose bail.

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Speaker 4: So the process of bail when we've made in arrest

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Speaker 4: is police will make the first assessment. The offender then

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Speaker 4: ones that we would tend to oppose because of the

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Speaker 4: heart about ensuring that youth understand there's a consequence, and

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Speaker 4: we don't want to see as many victims continue to

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Speaker 3: One of the other changes is to the electronic monitoring.

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Speaker 3: Police are going to have the ability to place those

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Speaker 3: they're being assessed for an electronic monitoring device as a

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Speaker 1: How are you going to roll this out?

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Speaker 4: This is all in place to make sure that family,

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Speaker 2: Person to have the privilege.

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Speaker 4: To be at large while on bail, So their liberty

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Speaker 4: they've committed an offense that deserves a consequence and will

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Speaker 4: ultimately appear before the court. We'll be actively monitoring those

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Speaker 4: place them back before the court where their bar won't

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Speaker 3: I mean, how soon do you reckon we're going to

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Speaker 1: How soon are they going to see an impact?

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Speaker 4: We certainly anticipate with the recidivism rates that a number

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Speaker 2: Key highly active youth their activities will be.

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Speaker 4: Nipped in the bud potentially within the space of twenty

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Speaker 4: four to thirty six hours.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's move along and talk about these school

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Speaker 3: based constable. Are you able to give us an update

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Speaker 3: on which schools we're going to see them moving into and.

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Speaker 4: How quickly all the middle schools from term three in

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Speaker 2: Based officers based there.

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Speaker 4: There'll be an auxiliary model that we've moved to and

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Speaker 4: got appropriate access to broader engagement in those places. Because

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Speaker 3: So why are you going down that auxilliary model rather

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Speaker 3: why are we going down this path when in our schools,

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Speaker 4: Again, that's all based on perception, and I have to

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Speaker 4: that specific role. It's really not so much about how

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Speaker 4: environment such as COVID nineteen and I need to make

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Speaker 4: a community engagement perspective, I'll make no apology about it.

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Speaker 4: I'll make that decision every single day of the week

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Speaker 3: Have all of those constables who've been in those jobs

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Speaker 4: through their teams. They've been well engaged, is my understanding,

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Speaker 4: to allow a process to go through there. Unfortunately, others

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Speaker 4: what we needed to. Our relationship is strong in that regard.

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Speaker 4: That will continue to work with them and consult, but

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Speaker 4: it would have been preferable that we could do those

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Speaker 4: things without other interference accring.

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Speaker 3: I've been contacted by a parent who says that there's

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Speaker 3: been a potential breach was made last week at one

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Speaker 3: and that there is an investigation underway. This parent is

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure what the context is of the breach

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you about these attrition rates? Why are

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Speaker 4: Officers have continued to leave the police force, and I

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Speaker 4: I'm saying that's a false accounting methodology for us. They

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Speaker 2: So we've been refining all that.

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Speaker 3: It does seem as though experience is being lost, though.

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Speaker 4: We're very used to this approach and this has gone

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Speaker 3: So, Commissioner, are you telling me this morning that there

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Speaker 1: Are you saying that no one's leaving the force.

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Speaker 4: Well, what I do know is that the packages that

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Speaker 4: we also know, though, is that people are no longer

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Speaker 2: But hark back to.

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Speaker 4: The fact, twenty twenty was a year that shook people

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Speaker 3: So, by the sounds of things, you are quite okay

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Speaker 1: When it comes to that attrition.

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Speaker 4: I'm certainly not known for catastrophization, and that's clearly what's

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Speaker 4: We're pointing in the right direction. I've just been walking

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Speaker 4: Police Foreign EMANCI Services have been doing since March last

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Speaker 3: Speaking of COVID, there's been much said about the Howard

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Speaker 1: Some have been wondering why we're in a situation.

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Speaker 1: Why has that testing regime changed.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't the case. It was probably a day or

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Speaker 4: So this has now mitigated a further step of it

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Speaker 3: So sorry, explain that to us again. The PCR, So

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Speaker 2: In an hour?

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Speaker 4: More highly accurate test the PCR, and because the testing

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Speaker 4: an indicator. So I suppose in Layman's terms, it's very

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Speaker 4: much similar to our breath test analysis process.

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Speaker 2: We'll do a roadside breath.

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Speaker 4: Test on a handheld radar that gives us an indicator

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Speaker 2: So that's the point of difference. Rapid edge testing is

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Speaker 4: PCR is more definitive in its positive or negative outcome.

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Speaker 3: That's so sorry, So are you saying that that PCR

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Speaker 3: correct essentially, So essentially you do it, you know, like

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Speaker 2: My understanding is that within and how they.

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Speaker 1: Can have a test back, right, And so is this.

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Speaker 4: Change from what the practice was prior to the trial

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Speaker 1: Well, so it sounds like it's faster, is it.

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Speaker 4: The testing for the PCA is now faster, which gives

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Speaker 4: having an intermediary step, because an intermediary step is only

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Speaker 3: And so you're saying that it's not only faster, but

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Speaker 4: We were doing both anyway, so there's no change to that.

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Speaker 4: It's probably going to be a cheaper cost, but not

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Speaker 3: And so really from your perspective, you actually think that

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, based on the health advice.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I've got great confidence in the Chief

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Speaker 4: the Professor Lennataris was part of that panel as well

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: Also as the territory Controller, I've had oversight of the

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Speaker 4: said everything's in place, we just need the appropriate resourcing

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Speaker 4: and a pathway to create a humanitarian return of international repats,

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Speaker 4: and ultimately her recommendation came to fruition based on those conversations.

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Speaker 4: I've had the responsibility of COVID nineteen response since March

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Speaker 4: last year. I was there when we set up into

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Speaker 4: health from the beginning. I was there when we reintroduced OSMATT.

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Speaker 4: We supported OZMAT for the wu Han and the Diamond

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Speaker 4: Princess Repats, then went back to the normal duties. We

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Speaker 4: brought them back in October that then focus specifically on

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Speaker 4: the International Repats, and we've continued duties throughout that time

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Speaker 4: at both sides. We've had in excess of sixteen thousand

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Speaker 4: people come through combined. It's been an enormous number, and

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Speaker 4: we've managed to keep the place safe with no community transfer.

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Speaker 4: It should be a story of great pride across the

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Speaker 4: Northern Territory, but unfortunately there's some commentators who want to

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Speaker 4: derail it with a lack of true understanding of the

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Speaker 4: emergy management situation that's been in place.

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Speaker 3: Well look, I'm not sure if you're referring to me

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Speaker 3: or others or everybody, but I guess the concern has

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Speaker 3: always been from the community is that we have felt

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Speaker 3: that the OSMAT team is an incredibly good team. Incredibly oh,

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Speaker 3: I can't think of the right word there. You know,

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Speaker 3: they are the first on the scene when you go

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Speaker 3: to things, when you look at the controlling of this virush,

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Speaker 3: right from the get god.

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Speaker 2: In that regard, they are an exceptional team.

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Speaker 4: But the point being made here is equally the nt

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Speaker 4: Health has continued to run operations out there concurrently and

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Speaker 4: they've managed to deal with it international arrivals as well

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Speaker 4: that have not been part of the international repac cohort,

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Speaker 4: as well as all the domestic arrivals. And they've had

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Speaker 4: at periods of time well over twelve hundred people in

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Speaker 4: their facility under their responsibility, and they've been truly effective

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Speaker 4: in ensuring there's been no community transferred.

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Speaker 2: This is not about one being better than the other.

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Speaker 4: It's about consolidating our resources, the comonwealth of now invested in.

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Speaker 4: Is they specifically requested it remain under the emergency management

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Speaker 4: principles because they know that provides the utmost safety of

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Speaker 4: governance and accountability to ensure the territory stay safe.

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Speaker 3: Is it a lot of weight on your shoulders that

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Speaker 3: the buck stops with you out there at Howard Springs.

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Speaker 4: It stops with me for the whole of the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 4: I had police officers as you well know, plus Australian

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Speaker 4: Defense Force personnel and Australian Federal Police standing on highways

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Speaker 4: that one hundred and thirty clime and our speed zones,

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Speaker 4: and I had them there twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 4: and we had to set up infrastructure for them, and

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Speaker 4: many of them just went up there with temporary camps

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Speaker 4: and started to do the job. That kept me up

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Speaker 4: awake because I have to make sure that all of

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Speaker 4: them got home safely from the duties they were doing.

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Speaker 4: I've managed the whole of the Northern Territory using relevant

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Speaker 4: CEOs who are still the functional group leads under our

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Speaker 4: margy management structure. I have great confidence in the teams

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Speaker 4: that we've got around is got great confidence in the

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Speaker 4: team that's now heading up the Howard Springs facility. The

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Speaker 4: key leaders there are OSMA tears. There have been missured

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Speaker 4: leads in the past. This is the cross pollination that's

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Speaker 4: occurred for a long time within Teahealth and OSMAT. The

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Speaker 4: Northern Territory can be very very comfortable that we've got

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Speaker 4: the gold standard that's continuing to improve, and you should

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Speaker 4: be very very proud of.

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Speaker 2: All that have been involved in the COVID nineteen response.

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Speaker 3: Commissioner, we are fast running out of time, but I've

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Speaker 3: had a question from a listener, are you able to clarify.

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Speaker 3: I do staff stay on site until their results come

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Speaker 3: back with that testing.

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Speaker 2: That's my understanding.

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Speaker 4: If there's an area of concern, they'll ensure that people

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Speaker 4: are kept in an appropriate quarantine area to enable that

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Speaker 4: to occur.

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Speaker 3: Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker, we better leave it there. Thanks

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Speaker 3: so much for your time this morning. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Gatie