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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Happy Families Podcast. Sometimes the

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Speaker 1: conversations that we have changed lives, sometimes they save lives. Today,

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Speaker 1: for our o'ld do Better Tomorrow edition of the Happy

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Speaker 1: Family's pod, we step into a conversation that Kylie had

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Speaker 1: that literally saved a life. That and more. Next this

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Speaker 1: is the Happy Families Podcast. Today. Welcome to our Friday edition,

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Speaker 1: where we step into the week that was. We talk

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Speaker 1: about the stuff that worked the stuff that didn't. We

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Speaker 1: call it I'll do better Tomorrow. Our goal is to

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Speaker 1: help you and us to do better tomorrow, because, let's

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Speaker 1: face it, sometimes parenting feels like a kinder steep climb.

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Speaker 1: I'm doctor justin colslant here with my wife and his

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Speaker 1: happy family is Kylie. Kylie. We're going to get to

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Speaker 1: yours in just a sec.

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Speaker 2: You say it's a steep climb, but sometimes I feel

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Speaker 2: like I'm either being literally catapulted across a valley or

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Speaker 2: and dragged under it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well I had a bit of both over the

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Speaker 1: last week.

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Speaker 2: Well I did too. It's our family, yeh, that's right,

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Speaker 2: this is I was part of this.

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Speaker 1: You were I'm sorry for not including you in that.

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Speaker 1: We had a bit of both. So I would love

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Speaker 1: to share one of the hardest things that we've been

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Speaker 1: through recently. It's just too personal and it deals with

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Speaker 1: the story of one of our children, so it's not

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Speaker 1: really our story as much as it's theirs. But we've

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Speaker 1: had some challenges, as every family does. But I do

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Speaker 1: want to share another story. Incidentally, the principle behind both

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Speaker 1: of these stories is exactly the same. One of our

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Speaker 1: teenagers came to us and told us that she had

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Speaker 1: a goal. She is tired of feeling the way that

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Speaker 1: she feels. She's tired of I mean, it's a body

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Speaker 1: image issue, right, So she said, I want to lose

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Speaker 1: by blah. Is this realistic? Is it doable? And we

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Speaker 1: worked out some maths, did a little bit of sort

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Speaker 1: might be pushing it. Let's slow it down a little bit,

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Speaker 1: let's push it out a little bit longer. So she

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Speaker 1: was okay with that. Then we had a really important conversation.

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Speaker 1: I said, tell me more about why this is important

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Speaker 1: identity challenges, the self esteem issues.

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Speaker 1: Then I asked about the specific number, why is this

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Speaker 1: I don't know, seventy kilos. I couldn't get a clear

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Speaker 1: answer as to why seventy kilos was the number that

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Speaker 1: she had to be touching. I said, even if you

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Speaker 1: And she said, well, I don't know. I just think

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Speaker 1: you don't actually know how you feel when you get there,

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Speaker 1: and she said yeah. I said, okay, so I'm really

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Speaker 1: curious about this. This is I get curious, not furious moment.

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Speaker 1: to really isolate Okay, this is a goal, but it's

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Speaker 1: not a very well fought through goal because there were

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Speaker 1: so many unknowns. And then I highlighted the following, whether

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Speaker 1: and you're still in that relationship, so you've got to

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Speaker 1: want to have a quote unquote happy marriage, Well that's

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Speaker 1: you know that you're happy? And what if you wanted

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Speaker 2: And what's really curious to me is that she started

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Speaker 2: And the other morning it was windy and we couldn't

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Speaker 2: Whereas the mornings where she knows we're writing, she kind

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Speaker 2: And there's energy to her that we haven't seen in

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Speaker 1: And I I yeah, because she hadn't gone for a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, what's going on? Did something

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Speaker 2: receiving those beautiful happy hormones, those endorphins that just fill

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Speaker 1: So there are a couple of things that I want

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Speaker 1: first is that exercise is not actually known as a

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Speaker 1: result of taking away those negative elements emotionally. But secondly,

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Speaker 1: it's worth highlighting resilience is relational. If she wasn't writing

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Speaker 1: stop doing it again. After the break, missus Happy Families

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Speaker 1: Family's Podcast. Okay, Kylie, let's hear how you have literally

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Speaker 1: changed a family, changed a life.

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Speaker 2: I feel really uncomfortable with that intro. I just it's true.

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Speaker 2: You get a conversation. From time to time, I get

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Speaker 1: Do such a great job.

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Speaker 2: I want here. I really enjoy it. At this particular event,

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Speaker 2: She did think I was awesome. I thought she was

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Speaker 2: many ways and pull one of them out to homeschool,

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Speaker 1: We're not sponsored and we don't get anything for saying it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean, I'm listening to what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: But that conversation you had does help, right, That's.

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Speaker 2: Why ultimately it comes down to being able to act

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Speaker 1: But it's still easy to act. I own I said

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Speaker 1: it in my older bit tomorrow. Resilience is relational. It's

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Speaker 1: many things. The Happy Families podcasts will be back on Monday.

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