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Speaker 1: Joining me live in the studio is the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory, Leo Finocchio.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Lea, Good morning Katie. Are your wonderful listeners

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Speaker 2: now Lea?

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Speaker 1: Hundreds of Northern Territory hospital support workers are preparing to

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Speaker 1: walk off the job in the next ten days. The

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Speaker 1: United Workers Union reckons cleaners, caterer's, personal care assistance and

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Speaker 1: medical imaging staff are going to take protested in protected

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Speaker 1: I should say industrial action overstalled enterprise agreement talks. Now.

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Speaker 1: Erina Earley, the union secretary, says workers feel undervalued, rejecting

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Speaker 1: the government's offer of a three percent pay rise after

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Speaker 1: years of wage freezers. Chief Minister, We've got this situation

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Speaker 1: now where potentially hundreds of hospital support workers are set

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Speaker 1: to walk off the job. How concerned are you about

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Speaker 1: the potential impact on patient care given the fact that

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Speaker 1: we as I understand that we're still in a code

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Speaker 1: yellow at our two major hospitals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, this is all a very normal part of

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Speaker 2: that EBA process. We have actually offered all public servants

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Speaker 2: more than they would have got under labour. So labor

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Speaker 2: had a two percent pay policy. We have a three

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Speaker 2: percent policy. Noting that CPI and the territory is running

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Speaker 2: at about one point nine percent and at its worst

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Speaker 2: should get.

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Speaker 3: To about two point five.

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Speaker 2: So our offer represents genuine and real wages growth. There

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Speaker 2: are limits to where we can go with this, given

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Speaker 2: the obscene levels of debt that labor left us, and

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Speaker 2: so I think, you know, there's a bit of politicking

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Speaker 2: here by the unions and ultimately people are allowed to

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Speaker 2: take that type of industrial action.

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Speaker 3: It's entirely a matter for them, but maybe it's a

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Speaker 3: good deal on the.

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Speaker 1: Time though, Like, where do you draw the line in

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Speaker 1: terms of Well, first off, do we know if those

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Speaker 1: code yellows are still in place?

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Speaker 2: I'm not aware, Katie. I'm sorry, Yeah, I don't know whether.

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Speaker 1: They are or not. I mean, there is no doubt

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Speaker 1: that it's going to obviously have an impact, like we're

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Speaker 1: talking about you know, cleaners, you're talking about the personal

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Speaker 1: care assistance, medical imaging staff. No doubt it's going to

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Speaker 1: impact our hospitals that are already on their knees. Like,

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Speaker 1: is there a way here that we can get back

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Speaker 1: to the table and stop them from actually taking that

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Speaker 1: industrial action.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's really a matter for them and the unions

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Speaker 2: and the way they think they can try and heavy

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Speaker 2: us to get a different outcome. But the reality is

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Speaker 2: we're at the table in good faith. They're getting one

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Speaker 2: percent more than they would have got under Labor. It's

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Speaker 2: real wages growth because it's much higher than CPI And

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Speaker 2: so if the unions want to try and force this

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Speaker 2: as a political issue at the expense of delivering health services,

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Speaker 2: and that's a matter for them. What we will do,

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Speaker 2: though is step up where we can and do our

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Speaker 2: very best to make sure there's no shortfall. But I

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Speaker 2: imagine there will be some impact of this, and it's

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Speaker 2: quite frankly disappointing.

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Speaker 1: Have you put yourself in between a bit of a

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Speaker 1: rock and a hard place here. Given the fact that

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Speaker 1: the police obviously secured their pay deal of five percent

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Speaker 1: in the first year, followed by four and three percent increases,

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Speaker 1: I mean some would say, well, why are they getting

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Speaker 1: that amount and health workers aren't.

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Speaker 2: Well, what we're talking about is, you know, the police

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Speaker 2: doing a frontline role where they're putting their life on

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Speaker 2: the line every single minute of every single day, versus

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Speaker 2: other roles across the public sector. Now I'll say it again,

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Speaker 2: Labour's pay policy was a two percent pay rise.

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Speaker 3: We came straight out with three.

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Speaker 2: And if people want that to be higher, they can

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Speaker 2: trade off other types of entitlements that have accrued over time.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's this time in the cycle where we've got EBA's galore,

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Speaker 2: we've got unions being unions, and we've got people confused

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Speaker 2: about what's realistic or not. But we're proceeding on good

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Speaker 2: and that people can obviously deal with cost of living.

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Speaker 3: Press.

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Speaker 1: When do you expect an outcome?

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure, Katie.

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Speaker 2: This is now part of a fair work process, so

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Speaker 2: it will take its course, but we'd love it to

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Speaker 2: be you know, sort it out sooner than later. But

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Speaker 2: for you know, for the broad a public service who

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Speaker 2: are listening, we have it just about every EBA on

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Speaker 2: to be really realistic about what a government with facing

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Speaker 2: a fifteen billion dollar debt can do. And just remember,

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Speaker 2: under labor you would have got two percent. We came

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Speaker 2: straight out of the blocks offering three because we respect

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Speaker 2: and value the work you do.

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Speaker 3: But that's not a bottomless pit.

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Speaker 2: There is no magic money tree, and ultimately we all

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Speaker 2: have to be fiscally responsible. In the private sector will

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Speaker 2: be feeling that pinch more than anyone.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you feel as though you're being held

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Speaker 1: to ransom by the unions?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really disappointing behavior. But that's the unions for you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're not their mates like labor were, and

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Speaker 2: so you've got to expect more pushback in these corners

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Speaker 3: God, I mean it's still on the flip side though.

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Speaker 1: I guess you are talking about territory, and it's like

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Speaker 1: all of us know people that work within the government.

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Speaker 1: I've got plenty of friends, you know, family members that

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Speaker 1: work in those government jobs. And we know that the

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Speaker 1: cost of living over recent years has gone up astronomically.

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Speaker 1: I know that CPI is not tracking in the same

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Speaker 1: way that it was over recent years. But do we

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Speaker 1: need to make sure that we're competitive with other states

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Speaker 1: so that we don't lose these wonderful territories.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, and we are. And the reality is

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Speaker 2: it was labor who had a two percent pay deal.

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Speaker 2: It was labor who had the freezers, Labor who traded

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Speaker 2: off real wages growth for bonuses, and it's the CLP

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Speaker 2: who are fixing that mess and giving people real wages

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Speaker 2: growth at a time when CPI is relatively easy and

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Speaker 2: we have high cost of living pressures. We are giving

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Speaker 2: people real wages growth. Now people, you know, maybe our tactic.

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Speaker 2: People are misinterpreting our tactic. You know, with labor they

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Speaker 2: dragged on and on and on. But we're putting, you know,

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Speaker 2: a good offer first, and that's how we've approached it.

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Speaker 2: We've said to people it's three percent, come and trade

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Speaker 2: with us if you want more. And so the unions

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Speaker 2: are probably having a pretty hard time coming to.

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Speaker 1: Grips with that, all right, Chief Ministers. Still in the

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Speaker 1: health space, we know that Minister Steve Edgington revealed on

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Speaker 1: the show last week that we're expecting to get ten

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Speaker 1: million dollars to boost maternity services, not the thirty five

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Speaker 1: million which had been requested. Now Labour Sloop Golsling maintained

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Speaker 1: a statement on Friday that we didn't provide the same

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Speaker 1: level of detail in the proposal as other states. Has

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Speaker 1: this been fumbled by the department or what's the go

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Speaker 1: I had a briefing on this.

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Speaker 2: Katie last week, and I can categorically tell you we

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Speaker 2: provided all of that information to the federal minister. He

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Speaker 2: has had it for months and months and months. And

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Speaker 2: again we just have a labor federal government that's just

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Speaker 2: not taking the territory seriously. And we see time and

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Speaker 2: time again these examples of where.

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Speaker 3: You know, Cambridge is completely ignore us.

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Speaker 2: We've got the fact that every other capital city has

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Speaker 2: had an increase to the cap on the housing price

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Speaker 2: when it comes to using the new grants and the

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Speaker 2: new low percent waged interest rates. And here we are

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Speaker 2: in Darwin's still coppying a six hundred thousand dollar cap

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Speaker 2: to no avail. We've got a four hundred million dollar

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Speaker 2: of underspend by the federal government in our health system.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it just continues on and on and on

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Speaker 2: and so you know, again the member for Solomon, that's

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Speaker 2: his job is to have crack, you know, throw potshots

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Speaker 2: at me. Good for him, but at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, this federal government needs to stop ignoring the territory.

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Speaker 3: We do exist.

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Speaker 2: We are an important part of this nation and in fact,

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Speaker 2: we have everything this nation needs to be strong and successful.

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Speaker 2: They better start paying attention and stop the peedy policy.

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Speaker 1: So can I just be clear though this money, these

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars that we're expecting, it's for maternity services

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Speaker 1: at Royal Darwin Hospital, and you are still pushing for

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Speaker 3: Is that correcrrect?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So the ten million will be for upgrades at

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Speaker 2: Royal Darwin to make sure that we've got the facilities

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Speaker 2: that women and families got to go.

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Speaker 1: Far enough, though, is it like ten million dollars? And I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I said this last week. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to sound ungrateful, but honestly, you know, ten million dollars

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Speaker 1: to upgrade our maternity services at Royal Darwin Hospital is

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Speaker 1: barely going to touch the sides. I would think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it may be a liquor paint and a few

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Speaker 2: other bits and bobs, Katie, which is why we ask

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Speaker 2: for thirty five.

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Speaker 3: But obviously that has.

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Speaker 2: Not been forthcoming and they're throwing us the chicken scraps

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Speaker 2: be so unbelievably grateful for when they still owe us

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Speaker 2: four hundred million.

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Speaker 3: This year, Katie.

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Speaker 2: So this is the stupid game we're playing with the

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Speaker 2: federal labor government. But we will continue to push for

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Speaker 2: territory interests first, but yeah, it will be that. And

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Speaker 2: then separate to that is obviously the whatever's going to

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Speaker 2: happen with Hellscope and any new purchaser going forward. We

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Speaker 2: that there must be a return to maternity services with

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Speaker 2: a new purchaser or provider of that service. We are

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Speaker 2: looking at how we can enforce that in our licensed terms,

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Speaker 2: and we are very clear that there must be private

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Speaker 2: maternity here in the territory.

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Speaker 1: A right chiefness to the text sign's going off, Someone's

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Speaker 1: just text through and said, come on, Chief minis to

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Speaker 1: go and sit an d no security, no nothing and

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Speaker 1: observe what high risk garbage nurses DOT does and healthcare

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Speaker 1: workers have to put themselves in. They two are first responders.

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Speaker 1: Says that message.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but that's not what we're talking about, listener, So

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Speaker 2: thank you for that, but this is incorrect. What we're

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Speaker 2: talking about is all of the ancillary services in the

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Speaker 2: health space. So it's not nurses, it's not doctors, as

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Speaker 2: Katie read out at the start, it's it's admin work

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Speaker 2: as clean as in other people, all who have an

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Speaker 2: amazing role to play.

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Speaker 3: In an amazing job to do.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, our police are

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Speaker 2: out there keeping us safe and that's everyone's top priority

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Speaker 2: and there's no bottomless money pit here all right now.

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Speaker 1: I have just said word as well that that Code

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Speaker 1: yellow is still in place, but things are at will.

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Speaker 1: Then things are still high demand but hopefully getting a

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Speaker 1: bit better. So we'll no doubt keep our listeners up

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Speaker 1: to date as we get some further info. Now, Chief Minister,

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Speaker 1: I want to take your cross to the anti racism

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Speaker 1: strategy that the Northern Territory Police have indeed released now.

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Speaker 1: They say that the strategy is made up of four

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Speaker 1: key areas to serve and protect, to eliminate racism, to

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Speaker 1: represent and reflect our territory, and to be accountable. Is

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Speaker 1: this a good move from your perspective.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really great strategy.

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Speaker 1: Kind of impact do you think this strategy is realistically

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Speaker 2: It's about, as I said, it's predominantly about those systems

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. A couple of quick ones the ABC this

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Speaker 2: Actually, Katie, just circling back to the disdain that Canberra

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Speaker 3: Bit, because I'll tell you what this is firing me up.

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Speaker 2: If we were a state, the government would pick the administrator,

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Speaker 3: It's a disgrace and this is just one in a

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Speaker 1: So you're so you reckon. It's sitting on the Prime

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Speaker 2: I couldn't care less if they disagree, Cane, because it's

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Speaker 2: His farewell tour is is amazing. You know, obviously getting

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Speaker 2: But exactly they shouldn't be and that's why it's just

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you Oh god, I don't even know

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Speaker 1: I just well, don't like our listeners are giving us

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Speaker 3: Listen to them. They've probably got nicer things to say

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Speaker 1: Better leave it there. Thank you as always for your time.

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Speaker 3: Take care everyone, have a great week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,