WEBVTT - How Important is Breakfast? Identifying and Avoiding Bad Nutrition Advice on Social Media. Does Milk Help or Hinder Bone Density? 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.200 Well you always told that breakfast was the most important 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.000 meal of the day. Well do you try and save 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.040 all of your calories so you can enjoy a wine 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:09.920 and some dessert at dinner. With more and more people 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:13.119 embracing fasting as a way of life, today we share 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.319 our thoughts and which is the most important meal of 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.680 the day? And why Hi. I'm Leanne Ward and I'm 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.560 Susie Burrow, and as two of Australia's leading dieticians who 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.680 specialize in weight control, we bring you the Nutrition Couch, 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:27.200 a weekly chat on everything that is new in the 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.840 world of food, diets and nutrition as well as meals. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.000 Today we have a good chat about the growth of 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.280 nutrition influences and how to sort the qualified from the 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.400 not so qualified when it comes to dietary advice, and 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.920 we also share some brand new research on the health 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.160 of our bones and the roll of milk and dairy 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.159 in our diet. But to kick us off today, Susie, 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.760 it seems that every week there's a new expert, or 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.400 a new book or a new program talking about nutrition. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.920 So what we wanted to discuss today was the fact 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.160 that there's a very big difference between the qualifications of 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.680 nutrition experts and influence, and why it's important to be 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.120 aware of the mass media and influences these days. But 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.360 before we jump into what nutrition qualifications actually look like, 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.040 Suzia found a really interesting article posted by the American 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.760 Council on Science and Health. So it was titled the 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.280 Nutrition Analysis of food and beverages posted in social media 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.680 accounts of highly followed celebrities, and I thought this was 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:26.920 really interesting. So the article essentially surveyed the Instagram accounts 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.240 of all of these celebrity influences and basically found what 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.400 they were posting from a food and beverage perspective, and 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.160 I thought it was really interesting. So the article starts 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:39.080 by saying that celebrities are particularly influential on social media. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.600 Celebrities are perceived as fellow users, but they also perceived 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.080 as more credible than ordinary users and more trustworthy than 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:50.400 television advertisements. So celebrity posts can influence viewers through their 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:55.520 attitude alignment, social connection, and positive meaningful transfer from likable 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.280 people in the food and beverages that they depict. So 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.600 this is, I guess, a real problem that we face 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.040 in twenty twenty two, and research is now confirmed what 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.480 we already know is that influencers are actually considered very 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.359 credible and very trustworthy, and sometimes even more credible than 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.520 actual credentialed people such as you and I, Susie, which 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.640 kind of breaks my heart, but I guess you know, 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.480 that's the reality of living with social media these days. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.280 It's everywhere, and you know, celebrities are often sort of 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.880 you know, thought of as more qualified than actual qualified experts, 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:26.640 which is quite sad. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:28.480 Well, I think it comes down to the fact that 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:32.520 there's no level of accountability. So when you formally study 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.880 nutrition and dietetics, and I think we should first say 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.959 that we're by no means saying that a university qualified 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.480 nutritionist is not someone who should or can have a say. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.360 I think we're talking really about a group of people 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:50.400 who have no real formal qualifications. Is that when you 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.760 do study dietetics, which is the profession assigned to give 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.880 prescriptive dietary advice and in a clinical or medical setting, 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.960 there is it's a profession, so there's certain levels of accreditation, 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.600 there's peer review, there's a very high level of accountability 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.360 that we're held to, and so we are so aware 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.760 of that, but then you have influences or even much 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:19.519 more or less trained nutrition experts who aren't even aware 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.800 of that being out there. So I sometimes call it 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.160 a little bit of the arrogance of ignorance because you're 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.800 just actually not aware of that difference. And the example 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.200 I like to use land is that you know, in 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.240 the case of law, you would generally not have a 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:37.520 legal secretary giving legal advice on a court case. 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.320 You would have a qualified lawyer. The same in. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:44.320 Surgery, you wouldn't have a surgical trainee or someone who 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.800 had an interest in surgery doing the surgery. Ever, but 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.160 because of nutrition, we all so we all tend to 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.040 have an opinion. And I think it also reminds me 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.560 of being COVID. A lot of parents were singing the 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.680 praises of teachers because all of a sudden we all 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.880 realize that actually we're not qualified enough to be teachers, 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.520 and it's a very highly skilled thing. So, you know, 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.880 I don't disagree, but I think first of all, it 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:08.840 really kicked off with the Internet because all of a 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.320 sudden people had access to vast volumes of information, and 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.080 more so now there's of course social media where it's 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.880 so common. And the reason people go into nutrition is 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.080 it's reasonably easy. We all eat, you easily, can take 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:21.880 some great. 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.680 Photos of food, you can talk about it. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.039 And there's also, as we are very aware of, some 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.640 very baseline qualifications, whether it's a certificate or a quick 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.599 course in nutrition offered by different training institutions, which means 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.080 that people have some level of a false sense of 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.320 security about what they do know without having any concept 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:44.480 of the vastness that is nutrition and applied nutrition and 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:48.920 clinical nutrition, where you're really dealing with people who have 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.600 years and years of training and specialists training in certain fields, 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.640 and accountability and an accreditation that's required. So you know, 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.200 I think that a reference point I've been given to 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.600 people lately is because as I get older, I feel 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.120 more passionately about it, and I do get frustrated when 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:10.440 I see really poorly low qualified people writing very prescriptive 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:14.160 diets and dietary advice and having a voice, because I 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.599 have noticed that in mass media and in publishing, they 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.600 don't necessarily check qualifications of people writing the book. So 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.880 that's a concern in itself because that's obviously opening the 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.520 gate to a flood of this information. And as soon 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:29.000 as you've got access to mass media and be publishing houses. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.800 To me, that's a major concern, and certainly in past 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.320 years we've seen the flow and effect of that with people, 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.320 like without naming names, there's been a couple of high 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.159 profile cases where people who weren't qualified were giving actually 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:44.080 dangerous nutrition advice. So you would think that really publishing 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.240 houses would be a lot more across it. But the 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.839 recommendation I give to people through my channels is that 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.320 you want someone who has a tertiary qualification. 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.279 In nutrition at a minimum, So you may not need. 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.880 A clinical dietitian, but at least someone who has studied 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.800 nutrition and sire at a tertiary level, so they might 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:03.400 have a Bachelor of Nutrition. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:04.239 And a strong interest. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.240 They might have a Master's of nutrition, so they're very 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.760 highly qualified, even though they may not have gone and 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:10.400 done applied clinical dietetics. 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:11.599 Now you and I dietitians. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.320 We've done the five year slog to have that accreditation, 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.520 We've worked clinically. Obviously, we naturally will always recommend dietitians 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.919 because that's our profession and what we're proud to be. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:22.279 But I will say. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.760 There are a lot of quite highly qualified nutritionists as well, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.400 but just because it's nutritionist does not mean they have 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.960 a degree, and a certificate is not enough, so please 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.680 you know, if you're taking prescriptive dietary advice from the 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.080 people online influencers, check if they've got actually a tertiary 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:43.440 degree because there's consequences for changes in diet and poor 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.200 dietary advice and it may not be a do or 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.240 die issue, but it can affect things like metabolism, which 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.800 affects people's lives quite significantly long term. So I do 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.400 feel it's really important that mass media publishing houses are 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.800 taking their responsibility of making sure the people who are 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.839 sending nutrition advice through their channels are appropriately qualified and 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.719 credit children. A certificate, a diploma is not enough. You 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.440 need to be in an accredited profession as a nutritionist 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.240 with the Nutrition Society of Australia or with the Dietitians 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:18.040 Association of Australia, where you have that accreditation and accountability 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.480 that you would have many profession whether you're a medical doctor, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.360 a lawyer, an accountant, because yeah, there's a certain level 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.040 of accountability. We all need to make sure that we 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.520 are using evidence based practice and doing good for our 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.520 clients and not unknowingly doing things that aren't great for them. 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.440 And I think that's a great point in terms of 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.520 what a nutrition qualification actually means. But I think this article, 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:42.800 to me, it's a little bit scary because yes, the 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.760 nutrition sort of experts or even those with nutrition certificates 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.360 are you know, that's a whole box in itself. And 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.360 on the other side of the scale, we've got people 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.720 who have zero qualifications in nutrition giving out nutrition advice. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.200 So going back to this article, Suzi, because I actually 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.960 think that's really important for people to understand how influential 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.760 celebrities are who have zero qualifications. You know, at least 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.000 some people, even though they did have a little certificate, 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.480 if they're posting recipes online, they're not giving out prescriptive 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.000 nutrition advice or taking clients. At least that's something and 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.320 they have a little bit of a baseline understanding of nutrition. 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.040 But a lot of these influences celebrities who are giving 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.320 out nutrition advice or creating recipes or you know, showing 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:20.920 what I eat in a day. You know, there's a 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:22.760 lot of models who show what I eat in a day, 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.400 and whether or not they mean to, they're basically portraying 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.960 that this is what people should eat to get the 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.080 body that they have. So it's a little bit sort 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.520 of a mind build on social media. But the reason 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.439 that I really liked this article today and wanted to 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.559 chat about it was because it really did it gave 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.680 a really good analysis of some really large social media accounts. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.880 So basically, this article looked at Susie a combined following 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:52.319 of what were they athletes, actors, television personalities, and musical 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.319 artists on Instagram with a combined following of five point 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.440 seven million followers. That is a lot of people and 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.200 a lot of people to influence. So they essentially broke 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.600 down the nutritional value of these celebrity posts and they were, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.720 you know, they had an influence of five point seven million. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.280 I can't get over that back, guys, it's huge. So 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.960 off the three thousand and sixty five media posts that 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:16.000 they you know, looked at the nutritional value of twy 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.520 four hundred of them were food based and twenty seven 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.800 hundred of them were beverage based. And among foods, there 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.839 were posts for snacks and sweets and they were threefold 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:29.400 more frequent than posts about fruits, vegetables, and grains. Among drinks, 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.640 half of the drinks promoted on these celebrity accounts were alcohol, 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:37.440 followed by coffee, tea, sweetened beverages, and lastly water. So 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.680 when they looked at the analysis of these celebrities, eighty 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.439 seven percent SUSI offered less than healthy food advice and 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.920 eighty nine percent of influencers offered less than healthy beverage 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:52.240 advice online. And now male and female influencers were equally 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.760 as unhealthy in terms of the advice or the products 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.640 that they were promoting, and women tended to favor sugar 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.840 a little bit more and men tended to favor salt 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.400 little bit more. And males of all of these celebrity 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.000 accounts that they looked at actually posted more images of 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.760 alcohol than females. So I think that there are a few, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.560 I guess conclusions that we can draw from this study, 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:12.760 and I think the first one is, you know, if 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.480 we believe that influencers post about their own experiences, whether 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.600 that's sponsored or not, I think the nutritional choices are 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.880 a little bit problematic. I mean, eighty seven percent of 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.679 them posted less than healthy food choices and eighty nine 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.520 percent of them posted less than healthy beverage choices. So 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.800 I think that's a sort of an issue in itself. 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.520 But the second thing that I think is, you know, 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.880 also an issue was that the article looked at posts 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.480 with less than healthy nutrition scores and they were actually 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.520 associated with increased likes and comments from their followers. So basically, 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.280 what this article is saying is that the least healthy 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:49.080 food and beverages that these celebrities posted, the more you know, 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.400 followers and engagement got and that sort of indicates a 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:56.000 greater social approval. So posting something like a croissant or 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.360 a muffin got them more likes, comments, and follows then 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.360 posting some thing like a glass of water and a 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:05.200 piece of fruit. So whether or not these influencers understand it, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:09.080 they're sort of knowingly or unknowingly, you know, unknowingly using 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.880 their influence to perhaps either harm or derail other people's 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:14.959 healthy habits because they know that they're going to get 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:19.160 more engagement, more followers, more likes with more unhealthy food posts. 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.280 And I'm not sure if influencers actually realize this. I 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.360 think a lot of them do, Susie. I certainly know 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.360 on my account that if I posted a recipe of 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.400 a cake, I'm going to get a lot more engagement 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.240 than if I post a recipe of a salad. I 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.040 think a lot of people are aware of that, but 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.480 I think that you know it is quite problematic when 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.479 we look at you know it from an influenced perspective, 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.559 because a lot of people the sure you know it 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.599 might be a musician, right, Susie. They're not saying that 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.640 they're qualified in nutrition, but the fact that they're posting recipes, 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.480 or the fact that they've got their own, you know, 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.040 eight week healthy lifestyle program, or the fact that they're 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:49.920 showing what they eat every single day and what I 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:53.040 eat in a day videos, it creates this sense of 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.960 you know, qualified enough to know what I'm talking about, 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.040 and people sort of follow that with that whether or 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.040 not these celebrities that me to do that. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.680 I'm laughing because whenever I put cakes or banana breads 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:09.600 up that they have the highest post by far. And 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.760 I'm aware of that because I do see a number 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.760 of nutrition influencers who obviously are following that interest. So 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.440 they are posting process cakes that are perceived as slightly healthier, 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.200 but ultimately to get the engagement. And I think it 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.640 really stands out for me when we're chatting about the 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:30.280 promotion of different diets, you know, especially when they've got 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.680 a really great body themselves and they're certainly selling whether 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.040 it's a program or a diet or a product based 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.240 on that. And that's where it gets quite complicated with 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:43.040 sponsored type posts because obviously every professional two is going 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.520 to have different criteria around what they are comfortable posting. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.520 So you're absolutely right, one of you know, the issue 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.960 in social media is it's just so freely available. Again, 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.680 going back to the medical example or the law example, 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.520 you don't see lawyers or generally doctors. You may see 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.959 plastic surgeons doing it a little bit before and afters, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.360 but you don't generally see you know, breast cancer surgeons 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.400 or gut surgeons saying I just cured this person of cancer, 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.320 because again they are aware that it's a lot more 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.840 complicated than what you can communicate generally on social media, 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.840 and so you will also this will also remind everyone 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:19.880 that that is also one of the reasons you won't 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.040 see dieticians giving case studies or testimonials or before and 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.640 after because of the potential issues with that when it 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.959 goes into a mass media in a control format and 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:30.960 very short number of words, when you don't have the 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.720 context of patients and medical care and the complexity of 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:39.120 human beings, So you're absolutely right. I think that the 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.320 main advice we can give people, or even at a 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.200 broader level of communicating via than Nutrition Couch podcast, is 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:50.280 that people whenever there's prescriptive dietary advice being given, diets, 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.560 recommended products sold, it really needs to be under the 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.319 guidance of someone who is qualified. And when you take 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.480 a deep dive, very very few of these people are 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.360 and even if they have some qualification, it's often not 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.760 an accredited profession where they're qualified to be giving prescriptive 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.679 dietary advice in a medical or health care context. So 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.760 if you're battling any or even just for health long 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.920 term or medical issues, or looking at supplements, all of 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.160 that is very prescriptive dietary information that should be only 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.880 I feel very strongly about that should only be given 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.400 by someone who has a tertiary qualification in nutrition and dietetics. 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.960 And if you don't have that, I think that it's 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.720 a big issue in general and really need to take 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.680 a look at the potential follow on effect of giving 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.120 that advice or if your advice or prescription gets into 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.000 the hands of the wrong person because we are taught 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.280 as professionals it's actually not about us. Yes, of course 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.440 we want to look fit and healthy, but you know, 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.600 it's really about the people that we're sharing the information 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.240 too and how that's relevant to them, as opposed to 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.480 it's not about us in the center, and that's a 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.960 very fine line at current time, where so much of 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.960 social media requires it to be about us to remain 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.680 relevant in the market and to remain competitive. But really, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.680 as trained professionals, what we're taught is it's not about us, 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.080 and that's where we get ourselves into trouble at time. 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.320 So my final I guess note on it given you know, 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.240 it is quite alarming when you hear is check the 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.040 qualifications of the people you're getting nutrition advice from, and 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.480 if they don't have a science degree, they don't have 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.920 an undergraduate and hopefully postgraduate and nutrition I wouldn't be 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:25.600 listening to very much of what they had to say 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:26.000 at all. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:27.920 And I would even suggest doing a little bit of 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.680 a cleanup of your own social media followings. Whether or 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.840 not you believe this to be true or whether or 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:35.720 not you intend this to be true. A lot of 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.920 times you know, celebrities are giving us influence in terms 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.640 of what we are perceiving as healthy, even though you 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.440 know they might not be saying, oh, I'm a qualified 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.320 nutrition expert. You see your favorite celebrity eating this or 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.560 drinking that, and automatically that makes you want to do 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.160 that as well. And Susie really a good example that 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.400 sticks out in my mind is as a prominent Australian 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.840 model who owns a I'm pretty sure it's a tequila 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.760 company with her hobby, and she will constantly post all 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.520 about it on her Instagram store worries, but never always 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.040 like recipes or photos of drinks or using the tequila 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.000 or that sort of thing, or promoting it, but very ever, rarely, 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:08.760 I don't even know if I've ever seen her actually 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.840 post a photo of herself drinking that tequila. So we 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.960 as you know, her followers and people have that perception 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.160 that she drinks that and she's able to maintain this. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.320 You know, rocking figures as a huge Australian model, but 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.600 you know, I would really really has it a guess, 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.320 Susie if she ever, if you know, actually drinks that 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.440 tequila or drinks that amount alcohol that she sort of 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.160 posts about and promotes so whether or not we we 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.280 mean to sort of have this perception that she does that, 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:34.800 so it's okay for us to go out and have 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.200 a few alcoholic drinks every single weekend and try to 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.120 sort of achieve the body that she has. So I 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:40.720 think it's really important to do a little bit of 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.840 a sort of cleanup of your social media and just 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.280 be aware of the people that you're following, and you know, 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.520 if they're sort of having a negative influence on you, 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.000 or you feel like they do post a lot about 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.160 you know, what they eat and what they drink, all 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.000 that sort of thing and it's not in line with, 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.240 you know, the healthy life style that you want to live. 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.080 Just be a little bit wary of that and maybe 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.280 do a little bit of an unfollow of so some 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.200 social accounts if you don't feel like they promote positive 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.560 nutrition messages on a regular basis or have the qualifications 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:07.000 to do so. 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.840 Good point all, right, Well, leanne onto a topic that 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.360 we probably feel a bit happier about because it's right 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:14.840 off our alley as nutrition. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.680 Professionals, is breakfast. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.879 Because I think we've spoken a number of topics in 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.959 the nutrition cash now we're getting up to our fiftieth episode. 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.880 But when I was having a little look through brainstorming, 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:27.960 I felt that some of the big questions we sort 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.159 of hadn't covered, We perhaps had sort of missed it. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.880 And I think their age old interest. 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:36.240 Areas for people, And I thought breakfast was a really 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.920 good one today because I think with the surge in 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:43.879 interest in fasting regimes, we've really come to question breakfast 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.040 and how important it is. And sometimes by ease or 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.040 lack of time, we're sort of very happy to say, oh, 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.119 we don't need breakfast anymore, and I'm fasting. But I 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.639 don't know, you know, as I reflect on work I 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.879 do with my clients, or actually recently I published a 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.679 media story with your help to a number of dieticians 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.720 asking them what they ate in the day, and you know, 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:03.399 they all had. 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:04.280 A really big breakfast. 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.640 And I thought, let's have a little chat about breakfast, 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.959 because I think there is a bit of an idea 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.280 out there. It's really good to fast, but I don't 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.560 like my clients to fast too long. Indeed, I will 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.600 use fasting as a tool for some clients if they 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.400 don't feel overly hungry in the morning, if I'm trying 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.840 to shift some people off a plateau. At times, I 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.159 may use a five to two, but ultimately I'm using 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:31.080 those programs to get my clients hungry in the morning 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.320 because for me, you know, that is a well not 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.720 even for me, for science, for physiology, the human body 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.280 is program to burn calories in the first half of 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.200 the day. That's why if you have a big breakfast, 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.359 you'll notice that you're hungry two or three hours later, 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.080 which can be a bit disconcerting for people who don't 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.240 like the hunger and handsome are more happier skipping breakfast 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.480 so they don't feel hungry until lunchtime. But what I 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:54.280 really like to share with my clients is that it's 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:55.879 actually good to be hungry in the morning. It's a 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.560 sign your body is burning your food well but nutritional lean. 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:01.840 The other issue I have when people skip breakfast is, 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:03.480 of course they miss out on a lot of their 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:08.240 dietary fiber, because in this time of carb cutting and 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:13.240 fasting and Taiketo diets, low carb diets, our good old 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.400 whole grain breads and cereals and even fruit can take 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.159 a bit of a beating. And it's not uncommon for 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.679 me to have a client who is having maybe a 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:25.159 coffee in the morning and a reasonably sort of not 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:26.879 much at all until lunch, where they might go to 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.919 a salad, but not having that whole grain bread or 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:31.800 not having some oats in the morning or some good 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.159 quality cereal or even some fruit means that their fiber 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.520