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Speaker 1: Well you always told that breakfast was the most important

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Speaker 1: Susie Burrow, and as two of Australia's leading dieticians who

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Speaker 1: specialize in weight control, we bring you the Nutrition Couch,

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Speaker 1: a weekly chat on everything that is new in the

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Speaker 1: world of food, diets and nutrition as well as meals.

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Speaker 1: Today we have a good chat about the growth of

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Speaker 1: we also share some brand new research on the health

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Speaker 1: of our bones and the roll of milk and dairy

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Speaker 1: in our diet. But to kick us off today, Susie,

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Speaker 1: it seems that every week there's a new expert, or

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Speaker 1: So what we wanted to discuss today was the fact

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Speaker 1: Suzia found a really interesting article posted by the American

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Speaker 1: Council on Science and Health. So it was titled the

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Speaker 1: Nutrition Analysis of food and beverages posted in social media

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Speaker 1: Celebrities are perceived as fellow users, but they also perceived

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Speaker 1: television advertisements. So celebrity posts can influence viewers through their

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Speaker 1: that's the reality of living with social media these days.

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Speaker 1: So basically, this article looked at Susie a combined following

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Speaker 1: you know, a second to even take a take a breath.

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Speaker 1: It was like nine ten, eleven o'clock in the morning.

437
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Speaker 1: So I have sometimes adopted fasting if I'm not training

438
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Speaker 1: early on, but majority of the time I do sort

439
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 1: of eat breakfast because I am sort of feeling hungry

440
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Speaker 1: in the morning. And I agree with you, I think

441
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Speaker 1: fiber for a lot of people, there's a large bulk

442
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Speaker 1: of it found in our breakfast and I, for one,

443
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 1: really like breakfast type foods. I love my opennight oats.

444
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: I love nothing more than some eggs on some sourder

445
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: or even something like a cheer pudding with some fruit

446
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: and some yogurt as well. So I'm a big fan

447
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: of breakfast foods in general. I know you can eat

448
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: breakfast foods anytime of the day, but it really is

449
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Speaker 1: something that I, you know, take great pleasure in is

450
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Speaker 1: actually eating breakfast. But I really do think it depends

451
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Speaker 1: on the individual and their circumstances. But for anyone who

452
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Speaker 1: was training with a particular focus on performance or you know,

453
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 1: actually improving their training, whether it's running faster, lifting heavier,

454
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: you know that sort of thing, it is more beneficial

455
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Speaker 1: to particularly your training first in the morning to actually

456
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Speaker 1: have some fuel on board, or to have some fuel

457
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Speaker 1: post that training session as well. So there are large

458
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Speaker 1: benefits from eating breakfast for many people. But as you said,

459
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Speaker 1: from sort of a hormonal perspective, for some clients it

460
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Speaker 1: may be beneficial to fast, but not sort of extended

461
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Speaker 1: periods of fast, or if you're fasting and then you're

462
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Speaker 1: someone who overeats at the next few meals, perhaps that's

463
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Speaker 1: also not you know, not a great idea as well.

464
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Speaker 1: So it's not a magic bullet, it's not a golden

465
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Speaker 1: sort of a lixa that we can just do that

466
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Speaker 1: fasting helps with weight loss. It's very sort of individualized,

467
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Speaker 1: and it does suit certain people, doesn't it.

468
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Speaker 2: And I think it also differs because the thing that

469
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Speaker 2: I observe with my clients is they're often eating according

470
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Speaker 2: to their head or a sheet. They're wanting to be

471
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Speaker 2: told what time.

472
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Speaker 3: To have breakfast.

473
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Speaker 2: But I would say it's going to differ depending on

474
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Speaker 2: your hunger, because if you've had a big meal the

475
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Speaker 2: night before, and you've had a large dinner maybe dessert,

476
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Speaker 2: and you've slept quite late, you might not be hungry

477
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Speaker 2: until ten o'clock. But other days you might have had

478
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Speaker 2: a light dinner and be starving at six thirty. So

479
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Speaker 2: I think it doesn't have to be constant that you know,

480
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Speaker 2: change is one of the best things we can do

481
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Speaker 2: to support metabolic rate. So I would be confident to

482
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Speaker 2: adjust and sometimes that breakfast maybe an hour or two

483
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Speaker 2: later because you're actually not that hungry, and that's okay too.

484
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Speaker 2: But I generally encourage my clients once we've sort of

485
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Speaker 2: re established some hungry in the morning and hopefully got

486
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Speaker 2: them a little bit active too, you know, a twenty

487
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Speaker 2: minute walk just to get things going, you know, and

488
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Speaker 2: within an hour or two after waking, I would certainly

489
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Speaker 2: want something to go in and I generally suggest to

490
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Speaker 2: my clients before eight. The trick is you've got to

491
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Speaker 2: really cater for that coffee, because if you have a

492
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Speaker 2: milk coffee, it will delay that hunger and that's when

493
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Speaker 2: you'll find that delayed appetite through the day. So I

494
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Speaker 2: do sort of with my clients now, I tend to

495
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Speaker 2: be much more if you're having milk coffee, it has

496
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Speaker 2: to be with the food. So you can't have the

497
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Speaker 2: milk coffee and then have something an hour or two later.

498
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Speaker 2: Wait for the hour until you have the coffee if

499
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Speaker 2: you can, which is better anyway, the longer you delay

500
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Speaker 2: the coffee from a quarter doll perspective, you've already got

501
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: natural quarters all floating around, so you're better to write

502
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Speaker 2: off that and then have the coffee a bit later,

503
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Speaker 2: but wait and then have them together as a meal

504
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Speaker 2: so you're satisfied, and then you'll go the two, three,

505
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Speaker 2: four hours until you actually have a meal again, rather

506
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Speaker 2: than what I find is this drip feeding of food

507
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Speaker 2: or morning whether they'll have one mealk coffee and then

508
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 2: a little bit of breakfast and then another coffee and

509
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: it's been spread over two or three hours, when you're

510
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 2: better to bring it together have a proper meal, because

511
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: it plays games into your head because you're feeling like

512
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 2: you haven't eaten, but you kind of have, as opposed

513
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 2: to sitting down and consciously sitting down and having a

514
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 2: meal and the coffee together. And that's a really good

515
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Speaker 2: trick if you're trying to identify and isolate that morning hunger,

516
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Speaker 2: so you can actually enjoy a proper meal rather than

517
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Speaker 2: snacking throughout the entire morning.

518
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Speaker 1: And I think that's what it does tend to do

519
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Speaker 1: for some people who aren't using fasting. I guess the

520
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Speaker 1: best way for their lifestyle is that they might have

521
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Speaker 1: something like a milk coffee to try and delay their hunger.

522
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Speaker 1: Then they might get a few hours in and have

523
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Speaker 1: like a muslibar because they're sort of a little bit

524
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Speaker 1: hungry but not too hungry for a proper meal. Then

525
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: they might snack on a little bit of chocolate or

526
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Speaker 1: have like half a bickie or something like that. And

527
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Speaker 1: just the nutritional profile of the foods that they're choosing

528
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Speaker 1: aren't ideal, and they end up probably having the same

529
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Speaker 1: amount of calories as what a good quality breakfast did,

530
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Speaker 1: But the quality of the snacks that they were choosing

531
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Speaker 1: all morning isn't anywhere near the quality of you know,

532
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Speaker 1: a good breakfast could have been. So I really do

533
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Speaker 1: think it's it's, you know, as we always say, it's

534
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Speaker 1: dependent on the person. And also it's not something that

535
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Speaker 1: you can just say, oh, well, everybody should fast till

536
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Speaker 1: ten am, right, because if you're a busy mum and

537
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Speaker 1: you're you know, your breastfeeding mmy get up at four am.

538
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: You can't wait till ten am. God, I'd want to

539
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: eat my insides that I'd be so hungry, zoozy, i'd

540
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: feel unwell. Or if you're someone that you know does

541
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Speaker 1: night shift and then doesn't wake up till nine o'clock,

542
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Speaker 1: you might be able to, you know, delay breakfast because

543
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Speaker 1: you're not genuinely hungry till ten thirty eleven or even twelve.

544
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Speaker 1: So it really does depend on sort of our sleep

545
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Speaker 1: wake routines for a lot of us, and also the

546
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Speaker 1: amount of activity that we're doing. If we're going up

547
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Speaker 1: and we're smashing an early morning, you know, a forty

548
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: five class at five am, we're not going to want

549
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Speaker 1: to delay our breakfast till ten o'clock. That is not

550
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Speaker 1: ideal in terms of recovery and fueling our body properly.

551
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: But if we're getting up at nine o'clock and we're

552
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Speaker 1: heading straight into work, we're not doing any activity at all.

553
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: Sure eating at ten thirty eleven might be might be

554
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: absolutely okay. So it really does, you know, I think

555
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,479
Speaker 1: we've dispelled that myths that breakfast is the most important

556
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: meal of the day, But for a lot of it's

557
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: breakfast can be a really important addition to an overall

558
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Speaker 1: healthy lifestyle. So I wouldn't say, as a general there's

559
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Speaker 1: a most important meal of the day Sui. I'm a

560
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: big believer that all our meals should be important. All

561
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: our meals should be nourishing and contain a good mix

562
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: of you know, carbohydrates, fiber, protein, healthy bats, of course

563
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: our vegetables, and more color the better. So there's not

564
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: one meal that is better as such, but it really

565
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: does depend on your lifestyle. And I feel like a

566
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Speaker 1: nice balance of good quality meals throughout the day is

567
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: probably more important than you know, one good quality meal

568
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: or one this is the most important meal for the day.

569
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Speaker 2: And I think another tip, just to finish off our segment,

570
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Speaker 2: it's about also having a breakfast that you really look

571
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Speaker 2: forward to. So if you don't love cereal but feel

572
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Speaker 2: like you should be having it all the same, you know,

573
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Speaker 2: a piece of soggy toast isn't your thing? Really, brainstorm

574
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Speaker 2: and think what's the breakfast that I would actually look

575
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Speaker 2: forward to eating. And I think you know, once you

576
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: have a delicious breakfast wrap or a chia yogurt overnight bowl,

577
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: something that's really delicious and yummy and you look forward

578
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: to it, it'll become an event in your day, as

579
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Speaker 2: opposed to just throwing something in because you think you

580
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: should or or as we've described, sort of skipping it

581
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: through the time and then getting overly hungry.

582
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Speaker 3: So all of those tricks will work well.

583
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Speaker 1: And that sort of leads us nicely, Susie into our

584
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Speaker 1: last segment where our listener question was really asking about

585
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Speaker 1: calcium and bone health. So there's sort of a I

586
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Speaker 1: would say, a little bit of talk from a few,

587
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: I guess more unqualified people online who was sort of

588
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Speaker 1: saying how milk leeches calcium from our bone. So a

589
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: listener wrote in and basically said, is milk calsy, is

590
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Speaker 1: dairy healthy? Should we be having it for calcium and

591
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: doesn't have a negative impact on our guard house because

592
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Speaker 1: you know, throughout university, SUSI, we very much learned that,

593
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Speaker 1: you know, dairy had calcium which supported our bone health,

594
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Speaker 1: and just I feel like in the last year or

595
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: two there's been a lot of noise on social media

596
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: and from you know, quote unquote experts, whether or not

597
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: they're experts, it's essentially been saying that actually dairy.

598
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 3: Can do the opposite.

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Speaker 1: So I actually had a really good hunt around and

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Speaker 1: I found a really good quality research paper, Suzy, that

601
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: came out very recently on the effects of milk supplementation

602
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: on bone health indices in adults. So this was a

603
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: meta analysis of randomized control trials. So what this means

604
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: for our listeners at home, randomized control trials are our

605
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: sort of best quality research that we could do, and

606
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: a meta analysis is taking a whole lot of these

607
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 1: ricts or these randomized control trials and analyzing them all together.

608
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: So in terms of research, this is top quality. We

609
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: really can't get much better than this. So a meta

610
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: analysis of randomized control trials is about as good as

611
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: we can get. So I was really really excited when

612
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Speaker 1: I saw this paper, Susy. And it's very recent as well,

613
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: which is good. It's not something that's like ten years old.

614
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: So essentially, what this paper showed us and what we

615
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: know is that milk contains a number of you know,

616
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: really healthy nutrients and a lot of sort of bone

617
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: beneficial nutrients as well, particularly calcy and vitamin D that

618
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: sort of thing. But there is a sort of a

619
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Speaker 1: school of thought that milk, due to the deer galactose content,

620
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: may have some unfavorable effects on bone health. So this

621
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Speaker 1: meta analysis looked at a number of different trial studies

622
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Speaker 1: twenty ricts in total, and the trial duration from these

623
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Speaker 1: studies was from one month up to thirty six months.

624
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: So essentially what it looked at and what it wanted

625
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: to clarify was the effects of milk supplementation on bone

626
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: mineral density, bone turnover markers, and hormonal indices related to

627
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: bone metabolism. So I think the results of this SUZI

628
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: were quite interesting. So what the studies found that basically,

629
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Speaker 1: it came to the consensus that milk supplementation resulted in

630
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Speaker 1: a small but significant increase in bone mineral density at

631
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Speaker 1: the hip and lumber spine, but milk supplementation did not

632
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: significantly affect whole body bone mineral density and femeral neck

633
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: bone mineral density. In addition to this, milk in the

634
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: diet may potentially increase the likelihood of preventing bone loss

635
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: by restoring bone homeostasis through the modulation of the calcium,

636
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: vitamin D pth axis, bone remodeling rate, and growth hormonal

637
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: IGF one axis. That's a mouthful. So essentially what this means, Susie,

638
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: is that milk doesn't leach calcium from our bones. If anything,

639
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: it may potentially help with reducing bone loss and providing

640
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: benefits long term. So I think the bottom line from

641
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: this study and from the you know, it was sort

642
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: of I had to take it a few times and

643
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: read it over it really get my head around it.

644
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: The bottom line is, if you like milk, drink it.

645
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: It may have some good positive benefits. But if you

646
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: don't like it from a taste perspective, from an ethical perspective,

647
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: don't drink it. It's absolutely okay. But I really don't

648
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: think we can go around saying that milk is bad

649
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: at leeches calcium from our bones, because this top quality

650
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: research showed the opposite of that, if anything, milk is

651
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: beneficial for our bone health. So did I summarize this

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Speaker 1: pretty well? Susie? Are you a milk drinker? Do your

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Speaker 1: twins drink milk? I know milk Mea is certainly a

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Speaker 1: milk machine at the moment. A little thing or she

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Speaker 1: does is drink milk. Do the twins drink it? Do

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Speaker 1: you drink it?

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Speaker 2: I have always been a big dairy drinker. We had

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Speaker 2: light milk from I think eight or ten years of age.

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Speaker 3: I'll have it.

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Speaker 2: In my coffee. I probably have two, maybe three serves

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Speaker 2: a day. My twins are a little bit funny. I

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Speaker 2: do have a lactose intolerant child who's quite fod mappy,

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Speaker 2: so I do give them flavored milk, which is a

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Speaker 2: bit controversial, I will say, but again I'm sort of

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Speaker 2: aware of that need. And this, again, LeAnn, comes down

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Speaker 2: to the background of people giving that advice. So when

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Speaker 2: people are making sweeping statements about nutrients that isn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: the understood truth. I would be questioning it first and foremost.

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Speaker 2: And the way I work it with clients now because

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Speaker 2: there is a much greater interest in plant based diets,

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Speaker 2: and of course we've spoken before on the podcast about

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Speaker 2: plant based alternatives to milk. It's a bit like being

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Speaker 2: a vegetarian. It's a personal preference. But I am very

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Speaker 2: conscious that I have a whole group of women who

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Speaker 2: I believe are not getting enough dietary calcium, certainly nowhere

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Speaker 2: near the recommendations of about thirteen hn milligrams for postmenopausal women.

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Speaker 2: So I will just make a point that if they're

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Speaker 2: choosing to not include dairy or to eliminate all milks,

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Speaker 2: to be aware of that. Now, we can have other

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Speaker 2: forms of it, as we've discussed it previously, but as

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Speaker 2: a dietitian, it's my job to let them know that

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Speaker 2: their nutrient intake of that calcium is low, and I

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Speaker 2: would be mindful that a significant number of Stralians have

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Speaker 2: osteopenia and an osteoporosis. So I am a dairy drinker

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Speaker 2: and my kids will have yogurt, cheese most days and milk,

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Speaker 2: so they would have their three serves.

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Speaker 3: I'm not obsessive.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, as I said, with clients, so I try

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Speaker 2: not to put my personal views on it as much

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Speaker 2: as let them sort of say how they're preferring and

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Speaker 2: then just ticking the box on those nutrients. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's interesting because you do hear all of those flyaway

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Speaker 2: kind of comments. And indeed, even genetically you have people

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Speaker 2: who have very little dietary calcium and have no issue

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Speaker 2: with their bone health. So you know, some of it

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Speaker 2: is genetics, and we don't know everything. But I will

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Speaker 2: finalize this by saying that a few years ago, when

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Speaker 2: I was working in elite level sport, I had an

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Speaker 2: NBA basketballer come through the local basketball team and his

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Speaker 2: career ended because of terrible stress fractures in his ankle.

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Speaker 2: And I had just done an assessment on him and

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Speaker 2: just out of interest, found out that he was a

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Speaker 2: non dairy milk drinker because he was lactose intolerant and

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Speaker 2: had never actively supplemented calcium. And I thought regularly to myself,

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Speaker 2: I wonder what had happened to his bones had he

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Speaker 2: have had that nutrient looked after, because it ended.

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Speaker 3: His very lucrative NBA career.

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Speaker 2: So there was a case study that I thought, h

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Speaker 2: wonder what it would have been like if you did

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Speaker 2: include some calcium fortified plant based milk or some dairy

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Speaker 2: milk that was lactose free. So we don't know everything,

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Speaker 2: but we could only give the best up to date

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Speaker 2: science that we have.

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Speaker 3: And I think we'll leave it there.

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Speaker 2: I think so all right, Well, that brings us to

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