1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Well you always told that breakfast was the most important 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: meal of the day. Well do you try and save 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: all of your calories so you can enjoy a wine 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: and some dessert at dinner. With more and more people 5 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: embracing fasting as a way of life, today we share 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: our thoughts and which is the most important meal of 7 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: the day and why Hi. I'm Leanne Ward and I'm 8 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: Susie Burrow, and as two of Australias leading dieticians who 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: specialize in weight control, we bring you the Nutrition Couch, 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: a weekly chat on everything that is new in the 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: world of food, diets and nutrition as well as meals. 12 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Today we have a good chat about the growth of 13 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: nutrition influences and how to sort the qualified from the 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: not so qualified when it comes to dietary advice, and 15 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: we also share some brand new research on the health 16 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: of our bones and the roll of milk and dairy 17 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: in our diet. But to kick us up today, Susie, 18 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: it seems that every week there's a new expert, or 19 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: a new book or a new program talking about nutrition. 20 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: So what we wanted to discuss today was the fact 21 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: that there's a very big difference between the qualifications of 22 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: nutrition experts and influence, and why it's important to be 23 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: aware of the mass media and influences these days. But 24 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: before we jump into what nutrition qualifications actually look like, 25 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: Suzia found a really interesting article posted by the American 26 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: Council on Science and Health. So it was titled the 27 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: Nutrition Analysis of food and beverages posted in social media 28 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: accounts of highly followed celebrities, and I thought this was 29 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: really interesting. So the article essentially surveyed the Instagram accounts 30 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: of all of these celebrity influences and basically found what 31 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: they were posting from a food and beverage perspective, and 32 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting. So the article starts 33 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: by saying that celebrities are particularly influential on social media. 34 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: Celebrities are perceived as fellow users, but they also perceived 35 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: as more credible than ordinary users and more trustworthy than 36 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: television advertisements. So celebrity posts can influence viewers through their 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: attitude alignment, social connection, and positive meaningful transfer from likable 38 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: people in the food and beverages that they depict. So 39 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: this is, I guess, a real problem that we face 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, and research is now confirmed what 41 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: we already know is that influencers are actually considered very 42 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: credible and very trustworthy, and sometimes even more credible than 43 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: actual credentialed people such as you and I, Susie, which 44 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: kind of breaks my heart, but I guess you know, 45 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: that's the reality of living with social media these days. 46 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: It's everywhere, and you know, celebrities are often sort of 47 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, thought of as more qualified than actual qualified experts, 48 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: which is quite sad. 49 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think it comes down to the fact that 50 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: there's no level of accountability. So when you formally study 51 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: nutrition and dietetics, and I think we should first say 52 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: that we're by no means saying that a university qualified 53 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: nutritionist is not someone who should or can have a say. 54 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: I think we're talking really about a group of people 55 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: who have no real formal qualifications. Is that when you 56 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: do study dietetics, which is the profession assigned to give 57 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: prescriptive dietary advice and in a clinical or medical setting, 58 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: there is it's a profession, so there's certain levels of accreditation, 59 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: there's peer review, there's a very high level of accountability 60 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 2: that we're held to, and so we are so aware 61 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: of that, but then you have influences or even much 62 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: more or less trained nutrition experts who aren't even aware 63 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: of that being out there. So I sometimes call it 64 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: a little bit of the arrogance of ignorance because you're 65 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: just actually not aware of that difference. And the example 66 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: I like to use Lanne is that you know, in 67 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: the case of law, you would generally not have a 68 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: legal secretary giving legal advice on a court case. You 69 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: would have a qualified lawyer. The same in surgery, you 70 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: wouldn't have a surgical trainee or someone who had an 71 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: interest in surgery doing the surgery. Ever. But because of nutrition, 72 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: we all eat, so we all tend to have an opinion. 73 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: And I think it also reminds me of being COVID. 74 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: A lot of parents were singing the praises of teachers 75 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: because all of a sudden we all realize that actually 76 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: we're not qualified enough to be teachers, and it's a 77 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: very highly skilled thing. So, you know, I don't disagree, 78 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: but I think first of all, it really kicked off 79 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: with the Internet because all of a sudden people had 80 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: access to vast volumes of information, and more so now 81 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: there's of course social media where it's so common and 82 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: the reason people go into nutrition is it's reasonably easy. 83 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: We all eat you easily, can take some great photos 84 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: of food, you can talk about it. And there's also, 85 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: as we are very aware of some very baseline qualifications, 86 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: whether it's a certificate or a quick course in nutrition 87 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: offered by different training institutions, which means that people have 88 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: some level of a false sense of security about what 89 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: they do know without having any concept of the vastness 90 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: that is nutrition and applied nutrition and clinical nutrition, where 91 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: you're really dealing with people who have years and years 92 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 2: of training and specialists training in certain fields, and accountability 93 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: and an accreditation that's required. So you know, I think 94 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: that a reference point I've been given to people lately 95 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: is because as I get older, I feel more passionately 96 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: about it, and I do get frustrated when I see 97 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: really poorly low qualified people writing very prescriptive diets and 98 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: dietary advice and having a voice, because I have noticed 99 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: that in mass media and in publishing, they don't necessarily 100 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 2: check qualifications of people writing the book. So that's a 101 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: concern in itself because that's obviously opening the gate to 102 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: a flood of this information. And as soon as you've 103 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 2: got access to mass media and be publishing houses. To me, 104 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: that's a major concern, and certainly in past years we've 105 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: seen the flow and effect of that with people, like 106 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: without naming names, there's been a couple of high profile 107 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: cases where people who weren't qualified were giving actually dangerous 108 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: nutrition advice. So you would think that really publishing houses 109 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: would be a lot more across it. But the recommendation 110 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: I give to people through my channels is that you 111 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: want someone who has a tertiary qualification in nutrition at 112 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: a minimum, So you may not need a clinical dietitian, 113 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 2: but at least someone who has studied nutrition and sire 114 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: at a tertiary level, so they might have a Bachelor 115 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: of Nutrition and a strong interest. They might have a 116 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 2: Master's of nutrition, so they're very highly qualified, even though 117 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: they may not have gone and done applied clinical dietetics. 118 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: Now you and I dietitians, we've done the five year 119 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: slog to have that accreditation, We've worked clinically. Obviously, we 120 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 2: naturally will always recommend dietitians because that's our profession and 121 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: what we're proud to be. But I will say there 122 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: are a lot of quite highly qualified nutritionists as well, 123 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 2: but just because it's nutritionist does not mean they have 124 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: a degree, and a certificate is not enough, so please 125 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: you know, if you're taking prescriptive dietary advice from the 126 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: people online influences, check if they've got actually a tertiary degree, 127 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: because there's consequences for changes in diet and poor dietary advice, 128 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: and it may not be a do or die issue, 129 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: but it can affect things like metabolism, which affects people's 130 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: lives quite significantly long term. So I do feel it's 131 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: really important that mass media publishing houses are taking their 132 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: responsibility of making sure the people who are sending nutrition 133 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: advice through their channels are appropriately qualified and credit children. 134 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: A certificate, a diploma is not enough. You need to 135 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: be in an accredited profession as a nutritionist with the 136 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: Nutrition Society of Australia or with the Dietitians Association of Australia, 137 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: where you have that accreditation and accountability that you would 138 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: have many profession whether you're a medical doctor, a lawyer, 139 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: an accountant, because yeah, there's a certain level of accountability. 140 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: We all need to make sure that we are using 141 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: evidence based practice and doing good for our clients and 142 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: not unknowingly doing things that aren't great for them. 143 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's a great point in terms of 144 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: what a nutrition qualification actually means. But I think this article, 145 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: to me, it's a little bit scarier because yes, the 146 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: nutrition sort of experts or even those with nutrition certificates 147 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: are you know, that's a whole box in itself. And 148 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: on the other side of the scale, we've got people 149 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 1: who have zero qualifications in nutrition giving out nutrition advice. 150 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: So going back to this article, Suzi, because I actually 151 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: think that's really important for people to understand how influential 152 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: celebrities are who have zero qualifications. You know, at least 153 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: some people, even though they did have a little certificate, 154 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: if they're posting recipes online, they're not giving out prescriptive 155 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: nutrition advice or taking clients. At least that's something and 156 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: they have a little bit of a baseline understanding of nutrition. 157 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: But a lot of these influences celebrities who are giving 158 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: out nutrition advice or creating recipes or you know, showing 159 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: what I eat in a day. You know, there's a 160 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: lot of models who show what I eat in a day, 161 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: and whether or not they need to, they're basically portraying 162 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: that this is what people should eat to get the 163 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: body that they have. So it's a little bit sort 164 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: of a mine field on social media. But the reason 165 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: that I really liked this article today and wanted to 166 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: chat about it was because it really did it gave 167 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: a really good analysis of some really large social media accounts. 168 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: So basically, this article looked at Susie a combined following 169 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: of what were they athletes, actors, television personalities, and musical 170 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: artists on Instagram with a combined following of five point 171 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: seven million followers. That is a lot of people and 172 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people to influence. So they essentially broke 173 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: down the nutritional value of these celebrity posts and they were, 174 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: you know, they had an influence of five point seven million. 175 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: I can't get over that back, guys, it's huge. So 176 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: off the three thousand and sixty five media posts that 177 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: they you know, looked at the nutritional value of twy 178 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: four hundred of them were food based and twenty seven 179 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: hundred of them were beverage based. And among foods, there 180 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: were posts for snacks and sweets and they were threefold 181 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: more frequent then posts about fruits, vegetables, and grains. Among drinks, 182 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: half of the drinks promoted on these celebrity accounts were alcohol, 183 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: followed by coffee, tea, sweetened beverages, and lastly water. So 184 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: when they looked at the analysis of these celebrities, eighty 185 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: seven percent SUSI offered less than healthy food advice and 186 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: eighty nine percent of influencers offered less than healthy beverage 187 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: advice online. And now male and female influencers were equally 188 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: as unhealthy in terms of the advice or the products 189 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: that they were promoting, and women tended to favor sugar 190 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: a little bit more and men tended to favor salt 191 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: bit more. And males of all of these celebrity accounts 192 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: that they looked at actually posted more images of alcohol 193 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: than females. So I think that there are a few, 194 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: I guess conclusions that we can draw from this study, 195 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: and I think the first one is, you know, if 196 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: we believe that influencers post about their own experiences, whether 197 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: that's sponsored or not, I think the nutritional choices are 198 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: a little bit problematic. I mean, eighty seven percent of 199 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: them posted less than healthy food choices and eighty nine 200 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: percent of them posted less than healthy beverage choices. So 201 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a sort of an issue in itself. 202 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: But the second thing that I think is, you know, 203 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: also an issue was that the article looked at posts 204 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: with less than healthy nutrition scores and they were actually 205 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: associated with increased likes and comments from their followers. So basically, 206 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: what this article is saying is that the least healthy 207 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: food and beverages that these celebrities posted, the more you know, 208 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: followers and engagement got and that sort of indeicates a 209 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: greater social approval. So posting something like a croissant or 210 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: a muffin got them more likes, comments, and follows then 211 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: posting some like a glass of water and a piece 212 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: of fruit. So whether or not these influencers understand it, 213 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: they're sort of knowingly or unknowingly, you know, unknowingly using 214 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: their influence to perhaps either harm or derail other people's 215 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: healthy habits because they know that they're going to get 216 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: more engagement, more followers, more likes with more unhealthy food posts. 217 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if influencers actually realize this. I 218 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: think a lot of them do, Susie. I certainly know 219 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: on my account that if I posted a recipe of 220 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: a cake, I'm going to get a lot more engagement 221 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: than if I post a recipe of a salad. I 222 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: think a lot of people are aware of that, but 223 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, it is quite problematic when 224 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: we look at, you know, it from an influenced perspective, 225 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: because a lot of people the sure you know it 226 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: might be a musician, right, Susie. They're not saying that 227 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: they're qualified in nutrition, but the fact that they're posting recipes, 228 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: or the fact that they've got their own, you know, 229 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: eight week healthy lifestyle program, or the fact that they're 230 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: showing what they eat every single day and what I 231 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: eat in a day videos, it creates this sense of, 232 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: you know, I'm qualified enough to know what I'm talking about, 233 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: and people sort of follow that without whether or not 234 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: these celebrities me to do that. 235 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: I'm laughing because whenever I put cakes or banana breads 236 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: up that they have the highest post by far. And 237 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: I'm aware of that because I do see a number 238 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: of nutrition influencers who obviously are following that interest. So 239 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: they are posting process cakes that are perceived as slightly healthier, 240 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: but ultimately to get the engagement. And I think it 241 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: really stands out for me when we're chatting about the 242 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: promotion of different diets, you know, especially when they've got 243 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: a really great body themselves, and they're certainly selling whether 244 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: it's a program or a diet or a product based 245 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: on that. And that's where it gets quite complicated with 246 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: sponsored type posts because obviously every professional too is going 247 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: to have different criteria around what they are comfortable posting. 248 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: So you're absolutely right, one of you know, the issue 249 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: in social media is it's just so freely available. Again, 250 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: going back to the medical example or the law example, 251 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: you don't see lawyers or generally doctors. You may see 252 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: plastic surgeons doing it a little bit before and afters, 253 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 2: but you don't generally see you know, breast cancer surgeons 254 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: or gut surgeons saying I just cued this person of cancer, 255 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: because again they are aware that it's a lot more 256 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: complicated than what you can communicate generally on social media, 257 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: and so you will also this will also remind everyone 258 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 2: that that is also one of the reasons you won't 259 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: see dieticians giving case studies or testimonials or before and 260 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: after because of the potential issues with that when it 261 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: goes into a mass media in a control format and 262 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: very short number of words, when you don't have the 263 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 2: context of patients and medical care and the complexity of 264 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: human beings, So you're absolutely right. I think that the 265 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 2: main advice we can give people, or even at a 266 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: broader level of communicating via than Nutrition Couch podcast, is 267 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: that people whenever there's prescriptive dietary advice being given, diets, 268 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: recommended products sold, it really needs to be under the 269 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: guidance of someone who is qualified. And when you take 270 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: a deep dive, very very few of these people are 271 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: and even if they have some qualification, it's often not 272 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: an accredited profession where they're qualified to be giving prescriptive 273 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: dietary advice in a medical or health care context. So 274 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: if you're battling any or even just for health long 275 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: term or medical issues, or looking at supplements, all of 276 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: that is very prescriptive dietary information that should be only 277 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: I feel very strongly about that should only be given 278 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: by someone who has a tertiary qualification in nutrition and dietetics. 279 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: And if you don't have that, I think that it's 280 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: a big issue in general and really need to take 281 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: a look at the potential follow on effect of giving 282 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: that advice or if your advice or prescription gets into 283 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: the hands of the wrong person because we are taught 284 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: as professionals it's actually not about us. Yes, of course 285 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: we want to look fit and healthy, but you know, 286 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: it's really about the people that we're sharing the information 287 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: too and how that's relevant to them, as opposed to 288 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: it's not about us in the center, and that's a 289 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: very fine line at current time, where so much of 290 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: social media requires it to be about us to remain 291 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: relevant in the market and to remain competitive. But really, 292 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: as trained professionals, what we're taught is it's not about us, 293 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: and that's where we get ourselves into trouble at time. 294 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: So my final I guess note on it given you know, 295 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: it is quite alarming when you hear is check the 296 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: qualifications of the people you're getting nutrition advice from, and 297 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: if they don't have a science degree, they don't have 298 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: an undergraduate and hopefully postgraduate and nutrition I wouldn't be 299 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: listening to very much of what they had to say. 300 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: At all, And I would even suggest doing a little 301 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: bit of a cleanup of your own social media followings. 302 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: Whether or not you believe this to be true or 303 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: whether or not you intend this to be true. A 304 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: lot of times, you know celebrities are giving us influence 305 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: in terms of what we are perceiving as healthy, even 306 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: though you know they might not be saying, oh, I'm 307 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: a qualified nutrition expert. You see your favorite celebrity eating 308 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: this or drinking that, and automatically that makes you want 309 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: to do that as well. And Susie really a good 310 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: example that sticks out in my mind is as a 311 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: prominent Australian model who owns a I'm pretty sure it's 312 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: a tequila company with her hobby, and she will constantly 313 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: post all about it on her Instagram store worries, but 314 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: never always like recipes or photos of drinks or using 315 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: the tequila or that sort of thing or promoting it, 316 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: but very ever, rarely, I don't even know if I've 317 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: ever seen her actually post a photo of herself drinking 318 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: that tequila. So we as you know, her followers and 319 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: people have that perception that she drinks that and she's 320 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: able to maintain this. You know, rocking figures as a 321 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: huge Australian model, but you know, I would really really 322 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: has it a guess, Susie if she ever, if you know, 323 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: actually drinks that tequila or drinks that amount of alcohol 324 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: that she sort of posts about and promotes so whether 325 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: or not we we mean to sort of have this 326 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: perception that she does that, so it's okay for us 327 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: to go out and have a few alcoholic drinks every 328 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: single weekend and try to sort of achieve the body 329 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: that she has. So I think it's really important to 330 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: do a little bit of a sort of cleanup of 331 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: your social media and just be aware of the people 332 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: that you're following, and you know, if they're sort of 333 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: having a negative influence on you, or you feel like 334 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: they do post a lot about you know, what they 335 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: eat and what they drink, all that sort of thing 336 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: and it's not in line with, you know, the healthy 337 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: life style that you want to live. Just be a 338 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: little bit wary of that and maybe do a little 339 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: bit of an unfollow of some some social accounts if 340 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: you don't feel like they promote positive nutrition messages on 341 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: a regular basis or have the qualifications to do so. 342 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: Good point, all right, Well, leanne onto a topic that 343 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: we probably feel a bit happier about because it's right 344 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: off our alley as nutrition professionals. 345 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: Is breakfast. 346 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: Because I think we've spoken a number of topics in 347 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: the nutrition cash now we're getting up to our fiftieth episode. 348 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: But when I was having a little look through brainstorming, 349 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: I felt that some of the big questions we sort 350 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 2: of hadn't covered, We perhaps had sort of missed it. 351 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: And I think their age old interest areas for people, 352 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: And I thought breakfast was a really good one today 353 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 2: because I think with the surge in interest in fasting regimes, 354 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: we've really come to question breakfast and how important it is. 355 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: And sometimes by ease or lack of time, we're sort 356 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: of very happy to say, oh, we don't need breakfast anymore, 357 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: and I'm fasting. But I don't know, you know, as 358 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: I reflect on work I do with my clients, or 359 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: actually recently I published a media story with your help 360 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 2: to a number of dieticians asking them what they ate 361 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: in the day, and you know, they all had a 362 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: really big breakfast. And I thought, let's have a little 363 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 2: chat about breakfast, because I think there is a bit 364 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 2: of an idea out there. It's really good to fast, 365 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: but I don't like my clients to fast too long. Indeed, 366 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: I will use fasting as a tool for some clients 367 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: if they don't feel overly hungry. 368 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: In the morning. 369 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 2: If I'm trying to shift some people off a plateau. 370 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 2: At times, I may use a five to two, but 371 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 2: ultimately I'm using those programs to get my clients hungry 372 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: in the morning because for me, you know, that is 373 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 2: a well not even for me, for science, for physiology, 374 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: the human body is programmed to burn calories in the 375 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: first half of the day. That's why if you have 376 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: a big breakfast, you'll notice that you're hungry two or 377 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: three hours later, which can be a bit disconcerting for 378 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: people who don't like the hunger and Hendsome are more 379 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: happier skipping breakfast so they don't feel hungry until lunchtime. 380 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: But what I really like to share with my clients 381 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 2: is that it's actually good to be hungry in the 382 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: morning as a sign your body is burning your food 383 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: well but nutritional lean. The other issue I have when 384 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: people skip breakfast is, of course they miss out on 385 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 2: a lot of their dietary fiber because in this time 386 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: of carb cutting and fasting and Taiketo diets, low carb diets, 387 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: so our good old whole grain breads and cereals and 388 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: even fruit can take a bit of a beating. And 389 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: it's not uncommon for me to have a client who 390 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: is having maybe a coffee in the morning and a 391 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 2: reasonably sort of not much at all until lunch, where 392 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: they might go to a salad, but not having that 393 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 2: whole grain bread or not having some oats in the 394 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 2: morning or some good quality cereal or even some fruit 395 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: means that their fiber intake takes a significant reduction, and 396 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: that has long term consequences for metabolism and gut health 397 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 2: and digestive comfort, because they're the same clients who'll come 398 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: back and say they're not going to the bathroom as 399 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: frequently and they're feeling constipated. So I want to be 400 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 2: really clear that I'm a big fan of breakfast. The 401 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: issue I have often with breakfast is that people have 402 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 2: too much coffee at the expense of breakfast, or use 403 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: coffee to delay their hunger so then they're not having 404 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 2: a proper and then they hungry later in the morning. 405 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: But my ideal breakfast for a client would definitely include 406 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: some whole grain bread, a small serve of whole grain cereal, 407 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 2: even if it's with yogat, alongside the coffee, because I 408 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 2: really want to tick that box, particularly on the fiber 409 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: that a lot of my clients who are cutting their 410 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: carbs often don't get. 411 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I would probably say that I 412 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: would say maybe twenty to thirty percent of my clients 413 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: would adopt something like fasting Susie. But the large majority 414 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: of my female coaching clients actually do eat breakfast regularly 415 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: a because they're hungry and be they're doing a level 416 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: of activity or exercise that supports them actually eating, you know, 417 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: properly in the morning, whether that's pre workout or post workout. 418 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 1: So I would say the majority of my clients eat breakfast. 419 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: I myself at the moment, definitely, while breastfeeding, do I 420 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: wake up starving, whether that's five am or six am, 421 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm generally starving. I'm not someone who tends to eat 422 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: overnight if I have to feed, but I definitely do, 423 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: you know, I want to eat first thing in the 424 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: morning when I wake up. But pre me and pre pregnancy, 425 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: I was someone that sort of doubled with a little 426 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: bit of fasting some days just due to a busy morning, 427 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: I get up, I do it. A couple of early 428 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: podcasts with some US also have some US clients, and 429 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: by the time I even thought about food or had 430 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, a second to even take a take a breath. 431 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: It was like nine ten, eleven o'clock in the morning. 432 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: So I have sometimes adopted fasting if I'm not training 433 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: early on, but majority of the time I do sort 434 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: of eat breakfast because I am sort of feeling hungry 435 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: in the morning. And I agree with you, I think 436 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: fiber for a lot of people, there's a large bulk 437 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: of it found in our breakfast and I, for one, 438 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: really like breakfast type foods. I love my opennight oats. 439 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: I love nothing more than some eggs on some sowder 440 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: or even something like a cheer pudding with some fruit 441 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: and some yogurt as well. So I'm a big fan 442 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: of breakfast foods in general. I know you can eat 443 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: breakfast foods anytime of the day, but it really is 444 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: something that I, you know, take great pleasure in is 445 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: actually eating breakfast. But I really do think it depends 446 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: on the individual and their circumstances. But for anyone who 447 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: was training with a particular focus on performance or you know, 448 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: actually improving their training, whether it's running faster, lifting heavier, 449 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: you know that sort of thing, it is more beneficial 450 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: to particularly your training first in the morning to actually 451 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: have some fuel on board or to have some fuel 452 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: post that training session as well. So there are large 453 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: benefits from eating breakfast for many people. But as you said, 454 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: from sort of a hormonal perspective, with some clients, it 455 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: may be beneficial to fast, but not sort of extended 456 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: periods of fast, or if you're fasting and then you're 457 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: someone who overeats at the next few meals, perhaps that's 458 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: also not you know, not a great idea as well. 459 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: So it's not a magic bullet, it's not a golden 460 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: sort of a lickx so that we can just do 461 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: that fasting helps with weight loss. It's very sort of individualized, 462 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: and it does suit certain people, doesn't it. 463 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: And I think it also differs because the thing that 464 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: I observe with my clients is they're often eating according 465 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: to their head or a sheet. They're wanting to be 466 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: told what time to have breakfast. But I would say 467 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 2: it's going to differ depending on your hunger, because if 468 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: you've had a big meal the night before, and you've 469 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 2: had a large dinner maybe dessert, and you've slept quite late, 470 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: you might not be hungry until ten o'clock. But other 471 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 2: days you might have had a light dinner and be 472 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: starving at six thirty. So I think it doesn't have 473 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: to be constant that you know, change is one of 474 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 2: the best things we can do to support metabolic rate. 475 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: So I would be confident to adjust and sometimes that 476 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 2: breakfast maybe an hour or two later because you're actually 477 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: not that hungry, and that's okay too. But I generally 478 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: encourage my clients once we've sort of re established some 479 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: hungry in the morning and hopefully got them a little 480 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: bit active too, you know, a twenty minute walk just 481 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: to get things going, you know, and within an hour 482 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: or two after waking, I would certainly want something to 483 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 2: go in and I generally suggest to my clients before eight. 484 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: The trick is you've got to really cater for that coffee, 485 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: because if you have a milk coffee, it will delay 486 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: that hunger and that's when you'll find that delayed appetite 487 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 2: through the day. So I do sort of with my 488 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: clients now, I tend to be much more if you're 489 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: having milk coffee, it has to be with the food. 490 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: So you can't have the milk coffee and then have 491 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: something an hour or two later. Wait for the hour 492 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 2: until you have the coffee if you can, which is 493 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: better anyway, The longer you delay the coffee from a 494 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 2: quarters lot perspective, you've already got natural quarters all floating around, 495 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 2: so you better to write off that and then have 496 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: the coffee a bit later. But wait and then have 497 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: them together as a meal so you're satisfied, and then 498 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: you'll go the two, three, four hours until you actually 499 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 2: have a meal again, rather than what I find is 500 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: this drip feeding of food or morning whether they'll have 501 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: one mealk coffee and then a little bit of breakfast 502 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: and then another coffee and it's been spread over two 503 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 2: or three hours, when you're better to bring it together 504 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: have a proper meal, because it plays games into your 505 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: head because you're feeling like you haven't eaten, but you 506 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: kind of have, as opposed to sitting down and consciously 507 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: sitting down and having a meal and the coffee together. 508 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,239 Speaker 2: And that's a really good trick if you're trying to 509 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: identify and isolate that morning hunger, so you can actually 510 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 2: enjoy a proper meal rather than snacking throughout the entire morning. 511 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's what it does tend to do 512 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: for some people who aren't using fasting. I guess the 513 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: best way for their lifestyle is that they might have 514 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: something like a milk coffee to try and delay their hunger. 515 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: Then they might get a few hours in and have 516 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: like a musli bar because they're sort of a little 517 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: bit hungry but not too hungry for a proper meal. 518 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: Then they might snack on a little bit of chocolate 519 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: or have like half a bigie or something like that. 520 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: And just the nutritional profile of the foods that they're 521 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: choosing aren't ideal, and they end up probably having the 522 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: same amount of calories as what a good quality breakfast did. 523 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: But the quality of the snacks that they were choosing 524 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: all morning isn't anywhere near the quality of a you know, 525 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: a good breakfast could have been. So I really do 526 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: think it's it's, you know, as we always say, it's 527 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: dependent on the person. And also it's not something that 528 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: you can just say, oh, well, everybody should fast till 529 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: ten am, right, because if you're a busy mum and 530 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: you're you know, you're breastfeeding mummy, get up at four am. 531 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: You can't wait till ten am. God, I'd want to 532 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: eat my insides out. I'd be so hungry, zoozy, I'd 533 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: feel unwell, or if you're someone that you know does 534 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: night shift and then doesn't wake up till nine o'clock, 535 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: you might be able to, you know, delay breakfast because 536 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: you're not genuinely hungry till ten thirty eleven or even twelve. 537 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: So it really does depend on sort of our sleep 538 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: wake routines for a lot of us, and also the 539 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,239 Speaker 1: amount of activity that we're doing. If we're going up 540 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: and we're smashing an early morning you know, a forty 541 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: five class at five am, we're not going to want 542 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: to delay our breakfast till ten o'clock. That is not 543 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: ideal in terms of recovery and fueling our body properly. 544 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: But if we're getting up at nine o'clock and we're 545 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: heading straight into work, we're not doing any activity at all. 546 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: Sure eating at ten thirty eleven might be might be 547 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: absolutely okay. So it really does, you know, I think 548 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: we dispelled that myths that breakfast is the most important 549 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: meal of the day, But for a lot of it's 550 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: breakfast can be a really important addition to an overall 551 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: healthy lifestyle. So I wouldn't say, as a general there's 552 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: a most important meal of the day. So I'm a 553 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: big believer that all our meals should be important. All 554 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: our meals should be nourishing and contain a good mix 555 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: of you know, carbohydrates, fiber, protein, healthy bats, of course 556 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: our vegetables, and more color the better. So there's not 557 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: one meal that is better as such, but it really 558 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: does depend on your lifestyle. And I feel like a 559 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: nice balance of good quality meals throughout the day is 560 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: probably more important than you know, one good quality meal 561 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: or one this is the most important meal for the day. 562 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: And I think another tip, just to finish off our segment, 563 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: it's about also having a breakfast that you really look 564 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: forward to. So if you don't love cereal but feel 565 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 2: like you should be having it or the same, you know, 566 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: a piece of soggy toast isn't your thing? Really, brainstorm 567 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 2: and think what's a breakfast that I would actually look 568 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 2: forward to eating? And I think, you know, once you 569 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: have a delicious breakfast wrap or a chia yogurt overnight bowl, 570 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: something that's really delicious and yummy and you look forward 571 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: to it, it'll become an event in your day, as 572 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: opposed to just throwing something in because you think you 573 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: should or or as we've described sort of skipping it 574 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: through the time and then getting overly hungry. 575 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: So all of those tricks will work well, and that 576 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: sort of leads us nicely, Susie into our last segment 577 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 1: where our listener question was really asking about calcium and 578 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: bone health. So there's sort of a I would say, 579 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: a little bit of talk from a few, I guess 580 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: more unqualified people online who was sort of saying how 581 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: milk leach just calcium from our bone. So a listener 582 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: wrote in and basically said, is milk calsy, is dairy healthy? 583 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: Should we be having it for calcium and doesn't have 584 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: a negative impact on our guard house because you know, 585 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: throughout university, SUSI, we very much learned that, you know, 586 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: dairy had calcium which supported our bone health. And just 587 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: I feel like in the last year or two there's 588 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: been a lot of noise on social media and from 589 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: from you know, quote unquote experts, whether or not they're experts, 590 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: it's essentially been saying that actually dairy can do the opposite. 591 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: So I actually had a really good hunt around and 592 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: I found a really good quality research paper, Suzy, that 593 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: came out very recently on the effects of milk supplementation 594 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: on bone health indices in adults. So this was a 595 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: meta analysis of randomized control trials. So what this means 596 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,479 Speaker 1: for our listeners at home, randomized control trials are our 597 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: sort of best quality research that we could do, and 598 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: a meta analysis is taking a whole lot of these 599 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 1: ICTs or these randomized control trials and analyzing them all together. 600 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: So in terms of research, this is top quality. We 601 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: really can't get much better than this. So a meta 602 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: analysis of randomized control trials is about as good as 603 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: we can get. So I was really really excited when 604 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: I saw this paper, Susy. And it's very recent as well, 605 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: which is good. It's not something that's like ten years old. 606 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: So essentially, what this paper showed us and what we 607 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: know is that milk contains a number of you know, 608 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: really healthy nutrients and a lot of sort of bone 609 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: beneficial nutrients as well, particularly calcy and vitamin D that 610 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: sort of thing. But there is a sort of a 611 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: school of thought that milk, due to the deer galactose content, 612 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: may have some unfavorable effects on bone health. So this 613 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: meta analysis looked at a number of different trial studies 614 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: twenty RCTs in total, and the trail duration from these 615 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: studies was from one month up to thirty six months. 616 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: So essentially what it looked at and what it wanted 617 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: to clarify was the effects of milk supplementation on bone 618 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: mineral density, bone turnover markers, and hormonal indices related to 619 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: bone metabolism. So I think the results of this SUZI 620 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: were quite interesting. So what the studies found that basically 621 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: came to the consensus that milk supplementation resulted in a 622 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: small but significant increase in bone mineral density at the 623 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: hip and lumber spine, but milk supplementation did not significantly 624 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: affect whole body bone mineral density and femeral neck bone 625 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: mineral density. In addition to this, milk in the diet 626 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: may potentially increase the likelihood of preventing bone loss by 627 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: restoring bone homeostasis through the modulation of the calcium, vitamin 628 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: D pth axis, bone remodeling rate, and growth hormonal IGF 629 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: one axis. That's a mouthful. So essentially what this means, Susie, 630 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: is that milk doesn't leach calcium from our bones. If anything, 631 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: it may potentially help with reducing bone loss and providing 632 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: benefits long term. So I think the bottom line from 633 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: this study and from the you know, it was sort 634 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: of I had to take it a few times and 635 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: read it over it really get my head around it. 636 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: But bottom line is, if you like milk, drink it. 637 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: It may have some good positive benefits. But if you 638 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: don't like it from a taste perspective, from an ethical perspective, 639 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: don't drink it. It's absolutely okay. But I really don't 640 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: think we can go around saying that milk is bad 641 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: at leach just calcium from our bones, because this top 642 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: quality research showed the opposite of that, if anything, milk 643 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: is beneficial for our bone health. So did I summarize 644 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: this pretty well? Susie? Are you a milk drinker? Do 645 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: your twins drink milk? I know milk mea is certainly 646 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: a milk machine at the moment. A little thing or 647 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: she does is drink milk. Did the twins drink it? 648 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: Do you drink it? 649 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: I have always been a big dairy drinker. We had 650 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: light milk from I think eight or ten years of age. 651 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: I'll have it in my coffee. I probably have two, 652 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 2: maybe three serves a day. My twins are a little 653 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: bit funny. I do have a lactose intolerant child who's 654 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: quite fod mappy, so I do give them flavored milk, 655 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: which is a bit controversial, I will say, but again 656 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: I'm sort of aware of that need. And this again 657 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: lean comes down to the background of people giving that advice. 658 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 2: So when people are making sweeping statements about nutrients that 659 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: isn't necessarily the understood truth. I would be questioning it 660 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: first and foremost. And the way I work it with 661 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: clients now because there is a much greater interest in 662 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 2: plant based diets, and of course we've spoken before on 663 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: the podcast about plant based alternatives to milk. It's a 664 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: bit like being a vegetarian. It's a personal preference. But 665 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: I am very conscious that I have a whole group 666 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: of women who I believe are not getting enough dietary calcium, 667 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: certainly nowhere near the recommendations of about thirteen hundre milligrams 668 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: for postmenopausal women. So I will just make a point 669 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,239 Speaker 2: that if they're choosing to not include dairy or to 670 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: eliminate all milks, to be aware of that. Now, we 671 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: can have other forms of it, as we've discussed it previously, 672 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: but as a dietitian, it's my job to let them 673 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: know that their nutrient intake of that calcium is low, 674 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 2: and I would be mindful that a significant number of 675 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 2: stradians have osteopenia and an ostereoporosis. So I am a 676 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 2: dairy drinker and my kids will have yogurt, cheese most 677 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: days and milk, so they would have their three serves. 678 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 2: I'm not obsessive. So yeah, as I said, with clients, 679 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 2: I try not to put my personal views on it 680 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: as much as let them sort of say how they're 681 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: preferring and then just ticking the box on those nutrients. 682 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's interesting because you do hear all of 683 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: those flyaway kind of comments. And indeed, even genetically, you 684 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: have people who have very little dietary calcium and have 685 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: no issue with their bone health. So you know, some 686 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 2: of it is genetics, and we don't know everything. But 687 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: I will finalize this by saying that a few years ago, 688 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: when I was working in elite level sport, I had 689 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: an NBA basketballer come through the local basketball team and 690 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: his career ended because of terrible stress fractures in his ankle, 691 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 2: and I had just done an assessment on him and 692 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 2: just out of interest, found out that he was a 693 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 2: non dairy milk drinker because he was lactose intolerant and 694 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 2: it never actively supplemented calcium. And I thought regularly to myself, 695 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: I wonder what had happened to his bones had he 696 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 2: have had that nutrient looked after, because it ended his 697 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: very lucrative NBA career. So there was a case study 698 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: that I thought, wonder what it would have been like 699 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 2: if you did include some calcium fortified plant based milk 700 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: or some dairy milk that was lactose free. So we 701 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 2: don't know everything, but we could only give their best 702 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: up to date science that we have, and I think 703 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 2: we'll leave it there. 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