1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: I'm Sophie Tolbert and I wanted. 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: To start by talking about the Subs episode we dropped 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Everyone always says they can't tell our voices apart, 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: and they want to get to know us each as individuals, 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: So we've decided that we're going to interview one another. 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: So you were the first cap off the rain came. 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: I was a little bit nervous what you guys were 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: going to ask me about, but it turned out to 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: be quite a cathartic chat. We did talk about our 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: childhood and then of course we addressed a lot of 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: the stuff around Channel seven. There's been a lot of 14 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: interest from some of our listeners about what actually went 15 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: down because I ended up suing the network after working there. 16 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: For six years. 17 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: So I actually had to find a few clips to 18 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: share on social media, and I came across this absolutely 19 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: hilarious clip of UK on the project. So this followed 20 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: the seven thirty report, Poor Kate, she'd come home from. 21 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: Where were you in the US? 22 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: No, I was actually in Singapore with the thirty sixers. 23 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: So I'd been there for two weeks and it was 24 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: for the Merlin Cup and the team had won the cup, 25 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: so we all went out celebrating, and I'm not a 26 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: big drinker, but everyone was buying me Singapore Slings because 27 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: they're the only. 28 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: Cocktail I really like. 29 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: So I got very drunk that night. The following day, 30 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: I had terrible stomach upset and I had to board 31 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,279 Speaker 1: one of those night flights, so I literally hadn't slept 32 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: for forty eight hours, and so I wasn't actually home 33 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: with you guys when the seven thirty report ed, and 34 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: I was just told as soon as I got home 35 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: that I had to make myself available to be interviewed 36 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: live on the project. I was like, fuck, Nor, I'm 37 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: just saying that I'm not doing it, and I was like, okay, 38 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: I actually can't because I've signed a confidentiality agreement. 39 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 2: So flaked out because she was two skit. I didn't flake. 40 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Out, but just thought it wasn't a good look because 41 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: I felt like I was involved in the case as well, 42 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: so I was the lucky one that had to do it. 43 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: I would have been happy to do it if I 44 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: hadn't have not slept because I kept saying and you 45 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: know so many times, and you look back at the interview, 46 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: I had to totally forgotten how many TV gods were 47 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: on that panel. There's like Gretel, Colleen, Carrie, Bigmore to you, Whitfield, Strawny, Kate. 48 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: How is Amy doing today? After the story aired last night. 49 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: Amy's doing really well, thank you. 50 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 2: I think it's just a really big relief. 51 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 3: To get the story off her chest, and you know, 52 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: she's got some overwhelming support from some wonderful people out there, 53 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, she's doing really well. 54 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: Has anyone from the industry actually come forward and shared 55 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: similar stories with yourself or Amy? 56 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? So obviously this has been quite a long process, 57 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 3: and Amy's made some great friends along the way. 58 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: The Sisterhood's been really great. 59 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: I just loved it because it was such a serious 60 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: story and it was such a serious time in our 61 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: lives that when we watched that back, we just burst 62 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: out laughing. When Peter Hellier came on inter viewing you, 63 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: everyone was like straw and a. Just for some background information, 64 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: it looks like I could see everyone on the live stream, 65 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: but I was literally sitting in a green room at 66 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: Channel ten with a camera in front of me and 67 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: an earpiece in I literally had no idea who was there. Well, 68 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: I was going to be asked because you were in 69 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: Adelaide and obviously there in Melbourne, so it makes it tough. 70 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: And so I when I was standing on the other side, 71 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 1: sort of being like, you can say this and don't 72 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: say this. There is something that I said that I 73 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: wasn't meant to and you can see my eyes. 74 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: Dark around, like fuck. 75 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: It just struck me how young you looked as well. 76 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: We were only twenty seven or twenty eight when that 77 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: came out, and you just sounded a lot younger too. Oh. 78 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: My voice on the seven thirty report is criminal as well. 79 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: I think I was so nervous that I was talking 80 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: in this really strange way. I just cringe looking back 81 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: at that. I think it was completely understandable because Amy's 82 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: story was one of the top stories that week during 83 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: the news. 84 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: Everyone was talking about it. 85 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: And when you've got these high profile journalists interviewing you, 86 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: of course you're going to be on edge. Well, if 87 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: anyone does want to check out those clips, they are 88 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: on our Outspoken the podcast Instagram account, and also if 89 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: you are interested to hear everything, that went down with that, 90 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: then sign up to Outspoken Plus. The interview is on there. 91 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: Story. 92 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: Pets around the nation are wearing sexy tops in support 93 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: of Abby Chatfield after a bizarre feud with a dog 94 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: Instagram account broke out over the weekend. So I think 95 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: this is my favorite story of the week. 96 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: I love it. 97 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: So. 98 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: Abby Chatfield was out with. 99 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: Her friends for dinner on Saturday night when she overheard 100 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: an older man making remarks about her top to his wife. 101 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: And I have to say Abby looked incredible. 102 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: She was wearing black jeans with a black corset that 103 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: had sheer cutouts, and Abby alleges that the man loudly 104 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: slutshamed her, exclaiming to his wife that Abby's top was 105 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: disgusting and he'd be ashamed if his daughters wore it now. 106 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: In response, Abby and her group of friends apparently hit 107 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: back loudly calling him a sexist pig at the restaurant, 108 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: and Abby owned him the next day on a social channel. 109 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: So she posted a video in the top and she 110 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: slammed the couple for their comments. She called the couple 111 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: boomers and said, sorry, you have nothing to talk about in. 112 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: Your crusty relationship. 113 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: She continued, writing, your kids would probably be the ones 114 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: ashamed if they heard what you were saying. Me wearing 115 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: a hot top doesn't compare to you spending your night 116 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: focusing on my tips and making it the topic of conversation. 117 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: It is too true, though, because I've been out on 118 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: a number of occasions with you guys, and we'll be 119 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,119 Speaker 1: having a hilarious conversation and you look to your left 120 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: and you'll just notice this couple who clearly has nothing 121 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: to say, literally eves dropping off the sea. I think 122 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: people would think that when recent I are out to dinner, 123 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: because he is the biggest people watcher in Balley, I'd 124 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: be like trying to talk to him, and he'd be like, sorry, 125 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to work out what's going on because 126 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: you're the boomer couple across the old He wouldn't been 127 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: judging someone on their top, though, but he does love 128 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: people watching well. This video has got a lot of attention. 129 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: At the time of recording, it has over five hundred 130 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: and twenty thousand views and has received an outpouring of 131 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: support from fans. Comedian Julia Morris got involved. She wrote 132 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: under the post judge boomers in brackets not all boomers, 133 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: just the judgy ones. How rude to be so mean 134 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: out loud, you looked absolutely beautiful and more importantly happy, 135 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: Keep rocking it. Another follower wrote, hopefully their daughters would 136 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: be a shame that their mothers are out here shaming 137 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: younger women for just existing in their body. Some corners 138 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: of the internet did criticize Abby for her outfit, claiming 139 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: she wore it for attention and saying it was her 140 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: fault for wearing lingerie in public. 141 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: Sounds a bit like victim blaming them. 142 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't understand in twenty twenty three that people 143 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: have this rhetoric saying someone is pretty much asking for it. 144 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: That's what the. 145 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: Tone feels like. You're asking for attention because of the 146 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 1: choice of clothing. 147 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 2: It's not like. 148 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: She's purposely gone out and thought what am I going 149 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: to wear to really piss this couple off. Now, there 150 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: is a twist in this story that I did not 151 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: see coming. So Abby has now found herself in the 152 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: middle of a feud with a. 153 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: Dog Instagram account. 154 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: So the account in question is called Peggy and Molly 155 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: and it has over four hundred and thirty three thousand 156 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: followers up. 157 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 2: A bit more than Archie. 158 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, thank God, it's not Sophie's dog account. 159 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: It's such a shame because this account is so wholesome 160 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: and cute, and I think that's why it is so 161 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: ironic that this has come out, because it's about a 162 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: staffy called Peggy and another staff he called Ruby, who's 163 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: Peggy's daughter, and they have this friendship with Molly the 164 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: Magpie and it's bizarre because the dogs will sit and 165 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: cuddle with this snagpie. 166 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: It's really sweet. 167 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: And the page describes itself as a daily dose of 168 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: happiness and fun. And they even have a book coming 169 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: out with Penguin Publishing in November and it's called Be Kind, 170 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Be Humble, and Be Happy. 171 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: God. 172 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: Well, that is really awkward because that account wrote under 173 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: Abby's post yep, look up attention hole and you'll see 174 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: a picture of Abby Chatfield. Now it seems like the 175 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: owner of the account forgot to switch to their Finster 176 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: or burner account. I have heard of people using their 177 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: dog accounts to have a stalk of people. I think 178 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: you were saying the other day that you don't have 179 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: a Finster, but you just use your cat's account to 180 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: have a look, yeah I do, but I definitely don't 181 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: leave comments like this on people. 182 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: You don't use it for trolling. 183 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: No, I'm going to look on my Instagram story now 184 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: and be so sassy if I see any pets popping 185 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: up and feel like the Fox account is this poor 186 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: dogs and the Magpie. Yeah, they're innocent bystanders in all 187 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: of this lateral damage. Abby did feel bad for the pets, 188 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: but she did call out the parents, so she put 189 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: up a post saying, Peggy and Molly don't deserve this. 190 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: Did you use the wrong account to comment your troll 191 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: comment now? The couple who run the account, they claimed 192 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: that their account was hacked. Oh god, they wrote, this 193 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: is not us. Please do some research before commenting we 194 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: have been hacked. 195 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: No one was buying this excuse. 196 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean, somehow they have managed to get their hands 197 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: back on the password because they're up and posting like 198 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: nothing's happened. 199 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: It seems like. 200 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: Odd behavior for someone to hack a famous Dog and 201 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: Magpie account and then start leaving such a comment. 202 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: It does sem a bit odd. 203 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: No one was buying the fact that this actually happened. 204 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: Everyone could see through this. What I find ironic is 205 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: that the dog account has a very similar number of 206 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: followers to Abby's account. Like, It's quite funny, how you know. 207 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield is such a powerful person in the media 208 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: and on social media, but Peggy and Molly they're not 209 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: too far. 210 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 2: Off her follower account. That's the thing. 211 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: She often gets accused of punching down on people who 212 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: might have a smaller following. That's why I love this 213 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: story so much. Now, angry fans of Abby decided to 214 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: hit out at Penny and Molly's sponsors to demand that 215 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: they cut ties with them. So in Peggy and Molly's account, 216 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: it says that they're fueled by Big Dog Pets Food, 217 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: so that's how they keep their account going. So in response, 218 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,599 Speaker 1: the pet food company issued a statement on its Instagram 219 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: story saying thank you to everyone who has reached out 220 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: to us about the online trolling of Abby Chatfield. We're 221 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: trying to get back to everyone, but in the meantime, 222 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: please know that we do not support online bullying. We 223 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: do not want to see anyone trolled, especially by one 224 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: of our brand advocates. Please know that we have been 225 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: messaging with Abby and she's been very understanding. We no 226 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: longer sponsored the account involved my favorite part of this 227 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: whole story is that dog owners are rallying around Abby 228 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: and they've started this new social media trend. It's called 229 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: sexy tops for Abby, and owners are posting photos of 230 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: their dogs in sexy tops to support Abby. 231 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: I couldn't get over how many people were doing this. 232 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: It was so cute. 233 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to do one of Archie, but I actually 234 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: don't have a sexy top for him. Oh, you gotta 235 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: go buy one. 236 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to do what I want to do. 237 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: Netflix's social experiment Love Is Blind, is still sparking conversations 238 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: despite it being in its fifth season. The premise of 239 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: the show is to form a connection beyond looks. However, 240 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: one couple didn't make it past the honeymoon because one 241 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: guy thought his new fiance wore too much makeup, Kate, 242 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: can you tell us more now? The couple in question 243 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: a twenty five year old teacher Taylor and thirty year 244 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: old firefighter Jp. Now Sparks flew between the couple in 245 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: the pods and they were the first to get engaged 246 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: sight unseen. However, when it came to meeting as fiance's 247 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: face to face, things got rather awkward, and that awkwardness 248 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: continued on their honeymoon in Mexico, so it seemed all 249 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden that JP was withdrawing from the relationship 250 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: and not talking to Taylor, and poor Taylor kept trying 251 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: to make conversation, but he was literally giving her nothing. 252 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: And when I was watching it, I thought, Okay, this 253 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: guy just must be shy. 254 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: It would be really weird. 255 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: To go from talking to someone with a wall between 256 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: you to actually talking. 257 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: Face to face. 258 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: To me, that would be more awkward just talking between 259 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: a wall, because you can't pick up on any social cue. 260 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: But it's like that notion that you can have these 261 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: really tough conversations when you're driving in the car because 262 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: you don't need to have eye contact. Anyway, Taylor ended 263 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: up confronting JP about what was going on, and that's 264 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: when we got the real story. So JP admitted that 265 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: he was instantly turned off by Taylor at their first 266 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: meeting in person because she wore too much makeup, and ironically, 267 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: she barely wore any makeup during their entire honeymoon in Mexico. 268 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: Let's throw to some of their disagreement. 269 00:11:54,679 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 4: You tried to present yourself look as best you could, 270 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 4: but I feel like if you were to presented yourself 271 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 4: like this without any makeup, I would have been better 272 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 4: kicked her face, fake eyelashes. I'm being honest. I'm sorry. 273 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 4: That's so hard to hear. 274 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: And you didn't know what I looked like before. 275 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 4: You presented fake stuff. I just dressed up and put 276 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 4: on makeup, a lot of makeup. I had makeup all 277 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 4: over my jacket. 278 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: At this point, Taylor left the room but returned to 279 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: tell JP that women wear makeup because they want to 280 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: feel pretty, and he responded with this, just don't wear makeup. 281 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do what I want to do. 282 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 4: Didn't you go ahead? 283 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: If I want to wear makeup when I go out, 284 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to. 285 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: Wear a makeup and cover a face up, cover all 286 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 2: your beautiful face up. That's what I'm gonna do. If 287 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: I want to go out wear makeup, I'm not wearing. 288 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: I haven't worn in Gates. But if I want to know, 289 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: it's great now. 290 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: JP then totally gas lit Taylor, telling her that ninety 291 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: nine percent of women would love to hear that they 292 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: look better without makeup and question what was so bad 293 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: about what he said. The best bit is that Taylor 294 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: dumped his ar. She wasn't having any of it. 295 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: What's crazy to. 296 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: Me is isn't he aware that obviously the producers of 297 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: this show organized for all the women to get makeup done, 298 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: because when she did the big reveal, she had her 299 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: hair perfectly done. You know, her lash is looking amazing, 300 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: She's on TV. She's hardly going to walk out just 301 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: with no makeup. This he probably had makeup on too. 302 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: She has clearly dodged a bullet here, because the whole 303 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: premise of the show is not to judge a book 304 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: by its cover and to get deeper and learn more 305 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: about this person. And then for him to turn around 306 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: and say that he judged her in an instance just 307 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: because she had makeup on. 308 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: Makeup isn't even permanent. 309 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really weird that he was happy to propose 310 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: to her without even seeing her, but suddenly her wearing 311 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: a lot of makeup one day was. 312 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: Just that was it. 313 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: And I don't understand why this guy thinks he has 314 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: the right to police someone. And how much makeup they were. 315 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: It felt very shamy and controlling. And I love that 316 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: she stuck up for herself and was like. 317 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to do what I want. 318 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: I just think it's a bullshit excuse and there was 319 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: maybe another reason why he didn't want to be with her, 320 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: because I think it was true, because he got very 321 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: passionate about it. It almost made me think this must 322 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: be an underlining argument that happens in a lot of 323 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: his relationships, because there are these men that are like, 324 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: they like only natural makeup or no makeup, but often 325 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: they don't know what the no makeup look actually is. 326 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: They don't realize that it takes a lot of time 327 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: for a woman to look like she's got no makeup on. 328 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: But he's making so many assumptions about her purely just 329 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: based off how she wanted to present herself this one time. 330 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: And I really hate the idea that if you wear makeup, 331 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: your fake or your vain, or you're up yourself. Quite 332 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: a lot of the time, people who were insecure turned 333 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: to makeup to make them feel more confident or better 334 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: about themselves, and they're allowed to People are allowed to 335 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: do whatever they want. I did read that JP's comments 336 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: actually made poor Taylor's second get herself afterwards about whether 337 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: she did wear. 338 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: Too much makeup. I saw the clip she just had a. 339 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: Normal amount of makeup on to be on TV, and 340 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: he was bitching and complaining that her face had imprinted 341 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: his jacket. 342 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 343 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: Regardless of how much makeup you wear, that happens quite 344 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: a bit, Like maybe don't hug a woman and push 345 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: her face when you not has makeup on the jackeens 346 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: all the time at weddings, when you go to someone 347 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: and you notice that your face is off the jacket. 348 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: It's a world thing, ever, isn't it, Because especially when 349 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: you can kind of see an outline of your lip 350 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, poor poor Reese walks around with 351 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: makeup on his clothes all. 352 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: The time, like I'll go hug him. I'm like sorry. 353 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: People will think, wow, it's a LACROI. 354 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: People aren't happy about Sneziana Wood's new jeans. The former 355 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: Bachelor contestant took to Instagram to share about her new 356 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: designer jeans that were gifted to her by Harrod's Now. 357 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: She jumped on the posh and Becks trend and gush 358 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: that she was obsessed with her Victoria Beckham jeans, adding 359 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: she can do no wrong in fashion. She finished up 360 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: by adding the hash ad and tagging harods Now. Everyone 361 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: was cool about the genes until Snares posted a link 362 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: to them and people discovered they cost seven hundred and 363 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: ninety dollars. One of the biggest criticisms in the comment 364 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: section was that it was tone deaf of her to 365 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: post about expensive genes when the country is facing a 366 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: cost of living crisis. I tend to disagree with that 367 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: because she's incredibly wealthy. Her and her partner have built 368 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: an absolute empire for themselves and I think that there 369 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: is a market online for people to promote luxury. Well 370 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: with her partner, Sam Wood, who she met on The Bachelor, 371 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: did sell his fitness at for seventy one million dollars, 372 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: so it's clear that they aren't struggling during this economic crisis. 373 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: So maybe it is a case of Snares. 374 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: Being really out of touch. 375 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: But who is this ad even target at because Harod's 376 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: is a UK store. Well, they've just opened up at 377 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: Chadstone in Melbourne, so I saw Olivia Rodgers attended the 378 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: opening and this was just part of a gifted promotion. 379 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: Wouldn't it make less sense if the influence promoting these 380 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: genes couldn't actually afford them. It seems more genuine because 381 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: this is clearly an item the Snares could actually afford 382 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: it closet, but. 383 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: She has actually paid for them. I know what you're saying. 384 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: Of course, it makes more sense that someone like Snez 385 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: has a seven hundred and ninety dollars pair of jeans. However, 386 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: it's actually been pushed towards her audience, and I'm assuming 387 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: a lot of her audience wouldn't have the money to 388 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: buy the genes, which makes it kind of silly. Well, 389 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: and it makes the partnership obsolete because no one is 390 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: going to go buy the genes. She did end up 391 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: tagging the genes so people could follow the link to 392 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: buy them. I did notice she didn't actually respond to 393 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: any of the comments that were calling her out. 394 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: However, a lot of people were. 395 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: Asking her about the T shirt and earrings that she 396 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: was wearing with the jeans, and she was like, Oh, 397 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: they both cost me under one hundred dollars and it's 398 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: a shame that they've sold out. 399 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: So she was trying to be relatable in that aspect. 400 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: I sometimes have more of an issue when I see 401 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: influencers who were clearly wealthy promoting low end brands. Oh 402 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: I picked this up at Target and I'm wearing and 403 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, you would never ever be wearing this. And 404 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: I think the reason people have had so much backlash 405 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: towards Snez is due to the fact that these are 406 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: a pair of genes. Because we see influences all the 407 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: time promoting high end products like handbags. For instance, Jarde 408 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,239 Speaker 1: Tunci promotes Gucci handbags all the time. But I think 409 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: because jeans are seen as one of those items that 410 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: shouldn't cost a lot of money and isn't a luxury 411 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: item as per Sae, that's why people are so outraged 412 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: about it. I think people are attacking Snez because of 413 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: how we initially first met her on The Bachelor, and 414 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: she was seen as being someone that's down to earth, 415 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: so a lot of her followers first started following her 416 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: life when they knew her from the Bachelor. I do 417 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: feel like if someone, say from The Real Housewives of 418 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: Melbourne or Sydney promoted the genes, I don't think they 419 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: would have copped as much backlash because they're known for 420 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: being flamboyant. Yeah. 421 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: Well, that's why there's. 422 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: A lot of influencers that are known for promoting high 423 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: end brand. Look at so Fidfa she promotes Fendi and 424 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: no one gets up in arms about it. I do 425 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: think it has to do with Snez's relatability factor, even 426 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: though the reality is that she is a multi millionaire. 427 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 5: I am completely and utterly disgusted and ashamed. 428 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: TikTok as London Stallings and Olivia Bennett have been canceled 429 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: just hours after their highly anticipated wedding. Their nuptials were 430 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: dubbed the Royal Lesbian Wedding of TikTok, but was overshadowed 431 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: when old racist tweets London posted. 432 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 2: Went viral on Reddit. 433 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: Before we get into it, Kate, who are London Stallings 434 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: and Olivia Bennett. Well, there are a lesbian couple who 435 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: share their lives on TikTok and they are really known 436 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: for their outfit of the day posts and wedding planning videos. 437 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: I hadn't heard of them before this scandal, but I 438 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: did really enjoy watching their content, and a lot of 439 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: people have compared their content to their being their own 440 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: Roman empire in the sense that they're always thinking about 441 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: this couple. They really are a picture perfect couple. Their 442 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: lives look really aesthetically pleasing. They drive around in flash 443 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: cars and they have this beautiful mansion as well, and 444 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: both of the women are twenty six, so fairly young. 445 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: And they did have over seven hundred thousand followers on 446 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: their joint TikTok, but it has dropped since the racism controversy. 447 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: They really have made a brand for themselves through promoting 448 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: their wedding content. A lot of it has gone viral 449 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: on TikTok. For instance, they put up a cake tasting 450 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: video which got two million views. They also did a 451 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: joint bridle shower which got four point seven million views, 452 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: and also they've been posting about their bachelorette outfits and 453 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: that got one point nine million views, so it's been 454 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: very popular. Even a static photo of their wedding with 455 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's Enchanted song behind it got two point six 456 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: million views. This wedding was so big that People magazine 457 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: ran an exclusive about it and the couple were interviewed 458 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: and they spoke about how they were so proud of 459 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: the representation that they were putting out there, and that 460 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: they said that they didn't see lesbians that looked like 461 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: them when they were growing up, and they were really 462 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: excited for this moment. So it just gives you an 463 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: idea of how important this wedding was not only them, 464 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: but I think the broader TikTok community. 465 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was a big deal. 466 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: Now, the couple got married in Georgia on September thirty. 467 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: This is when the shit hit the fans. So a 468 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: collection of London's old tweets were shared on Reddit, where 469 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: she used the N word over seventy times. London was 470 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: forced to release an apology on TikTok and this is 471 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: when she was on her honeymoon, and she said she 472 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: was completely and utterly disgusted and ashamed. Now, in this video, 473 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: London is seen sitting next to her wife, Olivia, and 474 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: she did confirm that she'd written the tweets ten to 475 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: twelve years ago. She said she was a teenager at 476 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: the time and she took full responsibility for them. Let's 477 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: throw to some of what she said. 478 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 5: I am completely and utterly disgusted and ashamed and honestly 479 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 5: embarrassed at how normal it was for me to speak 480 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 5: that way on Twitter and to I don't know, for 481 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 5: my friends and I to address each other that way, 482 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 5: or for me to sing along in rap songs back. 483 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: In my teens, like. 484 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 5: There's no room for me to defend myself, and that's 485 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 5: not what I'm here to do. But I do want 486 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 5: to acknowledge that the reason why I'm addressing this is 487 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 5: because that's not who I am today. That's not me, 488 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 5: that's not what I stand for, it's not what I 489 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 5: believe in, and I I think, like, that's what kills 490 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 5: me the most is that like, at one point in time, 491 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 5: I thought that it was okay, and I thought that 492 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 5: it was normal, and that's nobody else's fault but mine. 493 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: Now. London went on to say that over the last 494 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: couple of years she has learned and grown so much 495 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: and would never ever say those things. London's wife, Olivia, 496 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: also added to the apology, saying, it's truly just like 497 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: a really unfortunate and disgusting and ignorant mistake that you 498 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: made as a teenager. You're a kid, and you were 499 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: ignorant and it was wrong and shameful and it's so embarrassing. 500 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: Now what is really awkward and disappointing is after this 501 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: apology was made, people uncovered old racist tweets that Olivia 502 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: had also posted from a while ago. Now, as white women, 503 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: it is not our apology to accept but from a 504 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: pr perspective, I did feel like she hit all the 505 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: right messaging. I think where she went wrong was making 506 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: her apology a TikTok story because that only lasts on 507 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: your feed for twenty four hours. I think it should 508 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: have been made into a permanent post. Yeah, particularly when 509 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: she said that she didn't want to sweep anything under 510 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: the rug, but it felt like that's what she was doing. 511 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of fans are really disappointed 512 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: in the women because they did stand for inclusion and 513 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: they had made this a big part of their branding. 514 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: What I'm most intrigued about with this is the timing, 515 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: because it seems very strategic. Someone has obviously found these 516 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: tweets and sat on them and waited to release them 517 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: the day of these women's wedding, and I. 518 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 2: Think that was in a bid to destroy it. People 519 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: are wondering who did it. 520 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: There is a rumor going around on TikTok that is unsubstantiated, 521 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: but someone who said they know one of the girls 522 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: exits says that Olivia and London actually got together when 523 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: they were in relationships with other people. Again, this is 524 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: all allegations that aren't substantiated, but it's kind of interesting. 525 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: They said that potentially maybe it. 526 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: Is one of the girls's exes who leaked it. 527 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: Well, it does seem very personal because, as you said, 528 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: releasing her on their wedding day, this has done maximum damage. 529 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: Can you imagine being at your wedding and their phones 530 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: would have been absolutely explaining. 531 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: How would you even. 532 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: Be able to concentrate on the day when all of 533 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: this was going down. 534 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: I enjoy it. 535 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: We have seen this trend of this sort of thing 536 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: happening after people's wedding so recently, Bridget Barr was slammed 537 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: after she made the exit signs at her wedding reception 538 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: aesthetically pleasing. They weren't up to code, so it was 539 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: quite dangerous and on a local front. Earlier this year, 540 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: jar Dae Tunci's husband's wedding speech went viral because it 541 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: was so beautiful and sweet. However, people then dug up 542 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: that he had copied it from a different speech. Yeah, 543 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: but I think those things are a bit different because 544 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: all of these scandals, as per se, came out because 545 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 1: they were in reaction to something they chose to do 546 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: during their weddings, whereas this isn't related to their wedding. 547 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: I think it is more strategic because clearly, as you mentioned, 548 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: they've been sitting on these tweets and thought, what's the 549 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: opportune time to put them out, What's going to have 550 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: the most damage. But I think the similarity is the 551 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: fact that the wedding has been this common denominated, this 552 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: big thing where people are getting their most attention, and 553 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: that's when someone decides to bring the influencer down. I mean, 554 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: obviously I do not in any way condone these tweets. 555 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: It's discussing what was written. It is sad, though, that 556 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: such a big moment for the LGBTQI community has been 557 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: soured by this. Yeah, because everyone was literally so excited. 558 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: I mean we said in the lead earlier that this 559 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: was touted as the royal lesbian wedding of TikTok, and 560 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: there was so much excitement for this. I don't think 561 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: anyone could have seen it going this way. 562 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 2: Can't get enough of Outspoken. 563 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: If you're left wanting more each week, then it might 564 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: be time to subscribe to Outspoken Plus. 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For those who have 575 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: already subscribed to Outspoken Plus, we want to say a 576 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: big thank you. It means a well to us that 577 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: you're supporting our content, and it really does help us 578 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: to be able to invest more time in creating more content. 579 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 2: So thank you. 580 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: A new trend has popped up on TikTok touting the 581 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: benefits of silent walking. So silent walking is as it sounds. 582 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: It's when you go for a walk, but you don't 583 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: bring your headphones and you don't have any sort of 584 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: audio distractions. How do the. 585 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: People do that? 586 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: I cannot go for a walk without listening to good podcast. Yeah, 587 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: a lot of older generations are saying, oh, this is 588 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: hardly revolutionary, but I do get why it's becoming a thing, 589 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: because I have to admit when I go on a 590 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: dog walk, or even if I'm driving somewhere in the car, 591 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: I have to constantly have some. 592 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: Sort of audio on, whether it's a podcast. 593 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: Or music, because I can't stand being alone with my thoughts. 594 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: I just find it really boring. 595 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: It's so horrible when you're forced to turn the radio 596 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: on and you're like, this is absolute shit. Yeah. I 597 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: found this during COVID in particular, I couldn't have a 598 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: moment of the day where I didn't have some sort 599 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: of audio on when I wasn't working, because I felt 600 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: really lonely. 601 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 2: And I wonder if it. 602 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: Is a way of our generation connecting with other people, 603 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: because so many people now work from home, and you 604 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: almost feel like the podcasters that you listen to are 605 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: your friends and you have that connection with them. 606 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: See. 607 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: While I would hate to be in the car with 608 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: no podcasts or music to listen to, I can kind 609 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: of see the appeal of silent walking because I live 610 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: up in the hills and if you have headphones in, 611 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: you miss out on all the beautiful sounds of the 612 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: kooka bars and the birds. 613 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: And I just find it very relaxing. 614 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: Well, one podcaster called Mandy Mayo. She shared her experience 615 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: with silent walking on TikTok and she said that for her, 616 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: the first two minutes of the walk are absolute mayhem 617 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: in her head, but when she finally starts to get 618 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: into the groove of it, she starts to get her 619 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: brain into a flow state, and everything just becomes so 620 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,239 Speaker 1: silent and it's just so relaxed. Those are just like 621 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: sort of almost meditating, a meditative walk. 622 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 623 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: Well, I suppose if you're always listening to podcasts and 624 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: music and you never let your brain have any silence, 625 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: you're not really going to have time to have those 626 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: deep thoughts or come up with new ideas. I think 627 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: there is a lot of power in letting your brain 628 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: just wander. 629 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 630 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: Well, she said that if you're never left alone with 631 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: your thoughts and you never get quiet, you're going. 632 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: To miss the whispers. 633 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: And what she's talking about there is if you never 634 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: allow yourself to be in your own thoughts, you're not 635 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: gonna come up with new ideas for work or be 636 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: creative with things. And I find myself doing that a lot, 637 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: where I find it hard to actually come up with 638 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: new ideas because I'm always just in the hectic constant state. 639 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 2: Of listening to something. We are gonna leave it there. 640 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us for today's episode. If you 641 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: have enjoyed it, could you please make sure you are 642 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: subscribed on Apple podcast and also Spotify, and don't forget 643 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: to follow Outspoken on TikTok and on Instagram. 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