1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Already and this this is the daily loss. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: This is the daily ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily os It's Friday. 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: The thirteenth of March. Spooky. 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: I'm Lucy Tassel, I'm Emma Gillespie. 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: For as long as the Oscars have existed, people have 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: campaigned to win them. Back in nineteen twenty nine, when 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: Mary Pickford was nominated for Best Actress at the second 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: ever Oscars, she invited the voting committee then just five 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: people over to. 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: Her house for tea, and she won. 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: In today's episode, we'll unpack the history of OSCAR campaigning 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: and explain why front runner Timothy Shalom has been making headlines. 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 4: Lucy, what a brilliant time of the year. So excited 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 4: to be chatting to you about Hollywood's Night of Nights, 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 4: the Oscars a nearly upon us Monday morning, Australian time. 17 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 4: But this word campaign, we're seeing it thrown around a 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 4: lot talking about these awards. But it's typically a word 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 4: associated with politics. So when we're talking about campaigning, specifically 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 4: in the context of an awards ceremony, what does it 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: actually involve? 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is very much like campaigning for 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: a political position, it's sort of like running to be 24 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: the mayor of a small city council. 25 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: In terms of the number of people. 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: You have to convince that you were the best actor 27 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: in a leading role, you created the best to makeup 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 2: and hair design for a film, you had the best 29 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: film of the year. 30 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 4: Well, if my education from parks and rec is anything 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 4: to go by, securing a seat in local government is 32 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 4: no small feat. 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: It isn't. 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: And this is also as if a local government race 35 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: was being watched by hundreds of millions of people, and 36 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: a really tiny one. I'm not talking about like how 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: we covered Zorron mam Dhani winning the mayorship of New 38 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: York City a couple of months ago. 39 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: That's, I mean, obviously a very big city. 40 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: This is basically you're trying to convince the more than 41 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: ten thousand members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts 42 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: and Sciences. 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: Also known as the Academy. 44 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 2: Exactually as in Academy Awards, although we call them the Oscars. 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: No one knows why we call them the oscars. 46 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: But we do. Really, yeah, truly, Goo, the reason is 47 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: lost to history. 48 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: There are, as i said, more than ten thousand people 49 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: in this academy. They are across every area of the 50 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: industry sound techs, lighting techs, makeup and hair. 51 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: As I said, producers. 52 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: Actors, directors, editors, everyone. These members look at the films 53 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: of the previous year and across their little dedicated branches 54 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: within the academy, they vote for five nominees in major 55 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: awards categories. 56 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: Okay, so, just to recap, the Oscars nominees are determined 57 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 4: by this membership base of over ten thousand industry professionals. 58 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 4: They're all experts in their relevant niches. They get to 59 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 4: vote for Let's say you're a cinematographer, you get to 60 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 4: vote for your picks of the best in cinematography for 61 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 4: the year, and that ends up being what we see 62 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 4: as the nominees. 63 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, the nominees. But then if you are 64 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: one of those nominees, you have to convince the entire 65 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: voting body to vote for you. Right. So once the 66 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: nominee is locked in, then everyone gets to vote on everything. 67 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: So imagine I'm an actor. 68 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: I can vote on Best Makeup, I can vote on 69 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: Best Production Design, okay, and I can vote on Best Actor. 70 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: Got it? 71 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 4: So, Lucy explained to me how the cast and crew 72 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 4: of films that are in Oscar's contention, and once the 73 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 4: nominees are locked in, how they spend their time between 74 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: releasing the film, promoting it, getting nominated, and rolling onto the. 75 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: Red carpet for the actual Oscars. 76 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 4: How do they spend that time hustling to win that 77 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 4: iconic gold statuette. 78 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it all really starts. 79 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: I mean it can start before this, but it really 80 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: starts with the first time that the film is screened. 81 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: So that could be at a premiere event, that could 82 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: be at a film festival, that could be a full 83 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: year before the ceremony. So I think a really good 84 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: illustrative example is the film Everything Everywhere, All at Once, 85 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 2: which I'll just call Everything Everywhere because it's too. 86 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: Long to say over and over again. 87 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: That film came out in early March twenty twenty two 88 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: at premiered at the south By Southwest Festival. It was 89 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: eligible for the Oscars the following year in March twenty 90 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 2: twenty three. And if we take one of the actors 91 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: from that film, Kiwai Kwan, who was a former child 92 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: actor who came out of semi retirement for the film. 93 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: His journey was attending every possible event that you can 94 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: think of even tangentially related to the film. So special screenings, 95 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: big premieres all around the world, awards, interviews, awards, ceremonies, 96 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: just trying to convince his colleagues, his acting colleagues, and 97 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: his industry colleagues, I should be the recipient of a 98 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: major award for this role. 99 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 4: Is that why, Lucy, we don't often get a chance 100 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 4: to see most Oscar picks until a few months out 101 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 4: from the ceremony itself. Is there this kind of school 102 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 4: of thought that the later in the year you release 103 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 4: a film, the more people are likely to remember it. 104 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: It depends it's influenced by a bunch of different factors. 105 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: It is rare, I would say, for a film to 106 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 2: come out that early and to take a whole year 107 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: of campaigning before you actually get to the Oscars. 108 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: And for Keywai Kwan, it did work. He was nominated 109 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: for ninety. 110 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 2: Three awards across the course of the year, a lot 111 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 2: of those from local critics associations, And as he kept 112 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: accepting these awards and giving speeches, more and more kind 113 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: of steam built under him, as like, we're going to 114 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: give this guy this award for this performance got it, 115 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 2: but it's pretty rare. Another kind of good example is 116 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: back in the early nineties, the Silence of the Lambs, 117 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: that movie that won multiple Oscars, that came out in February. 118 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: Of the year before it was eligible. Wow, so it 119 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: took a full. 120 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: Year, but then by the time the Oscars rolled around, 121 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: it got multiple big awards. 122 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: So they can be critically acclaimed releases much earlier in 123 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 4: the year, not just in that kind of typical hyped 124 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 4: up awards season that we see in cinemas. 125 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: But it sort of works as like, so in May, 126 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 2: you've got the can Film Festival, which is when a 127 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: lot of movies will come out, but then they'll premiere 128 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: at the festival, but then they won't actually play in 129 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: theaters worldwide for several months. Then you've got what Americans 130 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: called the Fall festivals, so that's in their autumn September, October, 131 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: you have a bunch of different film festivals Toronto, Venice, 132 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 2: tell your Ide other Big Three and then so a 133 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: film will come out there, it will get a bunch 134 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: of reactions from critics out of the festival, and then 135 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: it'll go pretty quickly into theaters. And that is when 136 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: I sort of quote unquote campaign will begin, so actors 137 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: giving interviews, attending these events again, as I said, trying 138 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: to convince their colleagues, I gave the best performance, I 139 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: designed the most beautiful set, I edited the most well edited, 140 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: sorry not editing myself edited the most well edited film 141 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: of the year, as they try and get to the 142 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: Oscars the following year. 143 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 4: So those massive campaigns and press runs are not maybe 144 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 4: as much about the audience as not much about us 145 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 4: as we might think, And there are a lot more 146 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 4: about the ten thousand industry peers. 147 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: Who they're hoping to win over. 148 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 4: Lucy, I really want to ask you more about this 149 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 4: idea of campaigning and where it all actually came from. 150 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 4: But first we're going to hear a quick message from 151 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 4: today's sponsor. Okay, So, Lucy, I know you mentioned some 152 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 4: pretty historic examples of campaigning, including even an infamous cup 153 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 4: of tea that won over the ground total of five 154 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: Academy Members of the day. That's a long way from 155 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 4: spending an entire year working to promote your film in 156 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 4: the hopes of getting nominated. So where did the modern 157 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 4: Oscar campaign come from? 158 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: It really starts with Harvey Weinstein, the convicted sex offender. 159 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: So one of the reasons he was able to be 160 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: so prolific and why so many of his victim survivors 161 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: were in the industries because he was. 162 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: An incredibly powerful film producer. 163 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: Yea, he has been thanked so many times at the Oscars. 164 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: There are YouTube compilations of people saying and thank you 165 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: Harvey Weinstein, Thank you Harvey Weinstein. Yeah. So his production company, 166 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: Mirror Max, and then his other company, the Weinstein Company, 167 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: they would either produce films or they would pick up 168 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: films after they had been made to distribute them, and 169 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: he would run a campaign like a political campaign to 170 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: win an Oscar. He often worked with a publicist called 171 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: Scott Ruden, who similarly does not have sexual allegations against him, 172 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: but it was alleged in an article in The Hollywood 173 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: reported that he once smashed a Mac desktop monitor onto 174 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: an assistant's hand, and in a twenty twenty five New 175 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: York Times interview, he Ruden admitted to yelling and throwing 176 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: things at assistance in the past in the heat of 177 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: an Oscar campaign. So the zenith of Harvey Weinstein's power. 178 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: So he has worked with Scott Ruden, but he also 179 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: worked by himself, he worked with his brother. 180 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 3: Yep. 181 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 2: The zenith of his power was the year that Shakespeare 182 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: in Love swept the Oscars. It beat Spielberg's film Saving 183 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 2: Private Ryan to Best Picture, and Harvey Weinstein's work secured 184 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 2: a Supporting Actress win for Judy Dench, despite her having 185 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: less than ten minutes of screen time. Some estimates Peggett 186 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: at about six minutes. If you're sitting there watching it 187 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 2: with a stop watch. 188 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, anyone that watched Shakespeare in Love during high school 189 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: has I had two for English will be surprised to 190 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 4: hear the Judy Dench won an award for that performance 191 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 4: and may not even remember, indeed that she was in 192 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 4: the film. 193 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was the nineteen ninety nine Oscars, the 194 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: ceremony in nineteen ninety nine reflecting on the films of 195 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. Yep, and actually just fun fact or 196 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: maybe just sort of a side note, Judy Dench has 197 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: been nominated at eight times. Obviously, she's an amazing actor, 198 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: nominated for eight Oscars. Seven of those eight nominations were 199 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: in films produced by either Harvey Weinstein or his company 200 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 2: or Scott Ruden. 201 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 4: Okay, and that says a lot more about the industry 202 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 4: and Weinstein's influence in Hollywood than it does about Judy 203 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: Dench's specific choices as an actor. 204 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 205 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: For Shakespeare in Love, Harvey Weinstein launched a campaign that 206 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 2: was like unprecedented in scope, and many, many journalists have 207 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: written about it. I think I believe there's actually a 208 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: book that's been written about this specific OSCARS campaign. One 209 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: publicist told Vanity Fair a couple of years ago. Quote, 210 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: it all began with Harvey. I don't remember ever feeling 211 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: pressure like that from other studios. He was like, can 212 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: you do these radio call ins all morning? So I 213 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: think what they're saying there is like calling into radio 214 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: stations saying, gee, I've just seen this amazing movie called 215 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: Shakespeare in Love. 216 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: Has anyone else seen it? Yep. And in that same. 217 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: Vanity Fair article, Mark Gill, who was president of Weinstein's 218 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: company Mirrimax at the time, said, quote, this was not 219 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: saying to the stars, Okay, you can go on a 220 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: couple of talk shows to open the movie and do 221 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: a weekend of interviews and thanks so much for helping. 222 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: That was just good morning. 223 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: You've got three more months of shaking hands and kissing 224 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: babies in you. 225 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 4: Okay, So these were months long campaigns which were ultimately 226 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 4: pretty grueling for the cast and crew involved. 227 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 5: Yeah. 228 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 2: Stretching from as I said that fall festival season. It's also, 229 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 2: I would say, very typical in America to release movies 230 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: in the last week of November for the Thanksgiving weekend 231 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: when people are home with their families need to get 232 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 2: out of the house go to the movies. Similarly on 233 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 2: the Christmas weekend. 234 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, but clearly, Lucy, it worked and that has essentially 235 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 4: inspired the campaigning that we now see year in, year out. 236 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 237 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: So, I mean some of the things that we know 238 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: Weinstein did, and I'm sourcing a lot of this from 239 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: an oral history in the Hollywood Reporter. He threw a 240 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: party for the film's director that he invited Academy members too, 241 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: and there was some kind of scandal around that because 242 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 2: it was sort of thought, is this actually within the 243 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: spit of what you can do to win an Oscar? 244 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: Okay, pushing that kind of lobbying idea. 245 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, he lobbied people. 246 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: He sent out VHS tapes so people could watch the 247 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 2: film at home. This was I don't know that he 248 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: was the first to do it, but This was a 249 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: fairly new idea. Now it's actually so baked into the 250 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: voting process that there's i believe reportedly like a streaming 251 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: platform specifically for members of the Academy to be able 252 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: to watch films. 253 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 4: So they have fair access to all of the potential nominees. 254 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, he called people up to confirm they got the 255 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: VHS's that he had sent. He held a screening out 256 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: of retirement home where Academy members lived, so like old 257 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: Hollywood stars who are still voting members of the Academy. 258 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: No demographic going unchecked. 259 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: Yes, and allegedly started a whisper campaign. This is how 260 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: it's described in the article, where publicists were sort of 261 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: spreading the word telling voters the only good part of 262 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: saving Private Ryan is the first fifteen to twenty minutes, 263 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: the sort of famous opening sequence, and saying like. 264 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: After that, it's just a regul movie. Vote for Shakespeare 265 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: and Love instead, it's doing something interesting. 266 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 4: Wow, it really is so political, so so political to 267 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 4: have a smear campaign against a Spielberg film that was 268 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 4: your biggest competitor in that year. 269 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: And Spielberg himself said at the time, and this is 270 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: from again from that oral history, he told his publicist, 271 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: don't go down to Harvary's level. I don't want to 272 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: engage in that kind of sort of getting in the muck. 273 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: But he didn't win in the end. 274 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: Wow. 275 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 4: So that was nineteen ninety nine. A lot has changed 276 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 4: in the world of cinema, film Hollywood. What do we 277 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 4: know about this is oscar campaign? Are things done the 278 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: same way? 279 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: As far as I know, there's a bit less of 280 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: the Whisper campaign element, but certainly in terms of everything 281 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: that the Weinstein Company was doing, people are still sending 282 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: out They're called screeners. 283 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: So it wouldn't be a BHS tape anymore. 284 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 2: It would be a link to a website most of 285 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: the time, or a DVD hosting parties, hosting premieres, having 286 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: Q and as with the act involved. Similarly to the 287 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: Everything Everywhere example, There's one film that's been on the 288 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 2: trail for almost a year, and that's Ryan Coogler's vampire 289 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: thriller Sinners, which premiered back in April twenty twenty five. 290 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 4: Yep, really the dark horse I think of this awards season, 291 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 4: but has dominated swept the floor a record sixteen nominations 292 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: at the upcoming ceremony on Monday. 293 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it has been joined like along that long 294 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: long campaign trail. There are other kind of front runners. 295 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: You got K Pop Demon Hunters came out in June. 296 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: Paul Thomas Anderson's One Battle after Another came out in September. 297 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: Marty Supreme and Hamnet came out in December in the US. 298 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: They came out a bit later here in Australia. 299 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 5: Yep. 300 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: Those are sort of front runners for various awards. And 301 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: there are a lot of interesting oscar races this year, 302 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: but one in particular has been making headlines, and that 303 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: is Michael B. Jordan in Sinners, as you said, picking 304 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: up a lot of nominations yep, and Marty Supreme's Timothy Shallomey, 305 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: who are going head to head for Best Actor. 306 00:14:59,200 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 307 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 4: It felt like just a few weeks ago Timothy Shallamay 308 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 4: was locked in as the front runner as the favorite 309 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 4: for Best Actor. He has cleaned up, if I can 310 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 4: say that at the preceding awards ceremonies. And then we 311 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 4: had the Actor Awards just the other day, formerly known 312 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 4: as the SAgs. Yeah, and Michael B. Jordan kind of 313 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 4: took an upset win. They're for Best Actor and that's 314 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 4: thrown the race on its head, I guess, And now 315 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 4: it seems like Jordan might edge a head. 316 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: He might. He might. 317 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: Indeed, there's lots of awards you can win in the 318 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: lead up to the Oscars that can be considered kind 319 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: of precursors or predictors. You've got the Golden Globes, you 320 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: got the Bafters, You've got the Actor Awards. So the 321 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: Golden Globes, for example, that voting body doesn't cross over 322 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: with the Oscars voting body. Okay, but you can win 323 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: a Golden Globe and give a really good speech and 324 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: that might make people think, yeah, actually that was a 325 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: really good performance. 326 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: And I worked with you before and I liked you. 327 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: Let me put you number one. 328 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 3: Wow. 329 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 4: Amazing that an acceptance speech can be part of the campaign. 330 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent it is. I mean I was saying, 331 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: like Kiwei Kwan, he was accepting all these awards. He 332 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: really built a narrative over the course of the year. 333 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 334 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 4: I remember that with Kieran Culkin last year, who is 335 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 4: so endearing in acceptance features. He's so chaotic and sweet. 336 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 4: I think he really won people over in those rooms, 337 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 4: in those very important rooms of Academy members. 338 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: Yeah that you know, he was the man for the award. 339 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so with Michael B. 340 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: Jordan winning that Actor award, actors are the biggest branch 341 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: of the Academy's many branches. But you can win that 342 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: award and not go on to win the equivalent Oscar. 343 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 2: So back in twenty nineteen, Olivia Coleman won the Oscar 344 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: for the Favorite, but Glenn Close had won the then 345 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: sag Award for the Wife. So once you open it 346 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: up to the whole voting body, things can shift and change. 347 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: People can even change their minds. 348 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: So Michael B. Jordan is not a sure thing. 349 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: He's not a sure sting. 350 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, But I will say his win has been seen 351 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: as a big forecast for the Oscar. And it came 352 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: a few days before Chalomay made some headlines, and that 353 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: was because of his comments on Opera and the. 354 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 5: Ballet Frankenstein, which is like a hugely popular movie this year. 355 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 5: I didn't think that pacing was extraordinarily fast or anything, 356 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 5: but it pulled people in, you know, But it does 357 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 5: take you having a wave of flag of hey, this 358 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 5: is a serious movie or something, and some people want 359 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 5: to be entertained and quickly I'm really right in the middle, Matthew, 360 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 5: because I admire people and I've done it myself. Do 361 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 5: you want to talk to and go, hey, we got 362 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 5: to keep movie theaters alive, you know, we got to 363 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 5: keep this genre alive. And another part of me feels 364 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 5: like if people want to see it like Barbie, like Oppenheimer, 365 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 5: they're going to go see it and go out of 366 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 5: their way and be loud and proud about it. And 367 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 5: I don't want to be working in ballet or opera 368 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 5: or you know, things where it's like, hey, keep this 369 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 5: thing alive even though no one cares about this. 370 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 4: Okay, there has been a lot of negative pr attention 371 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 4: on Timothy Schallomy for those comments Lucy, but do they 372 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 4: actually matter to his Oscar's hopes? When did voting close? 373 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? 374 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: So that interview with Matthew McConaughey had been released on 375 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: YouTube about two weeks earlier, but it hadn't really picked. 376 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: Up a lot of steam. 377 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: It was when that isolated clip that we played was 378 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: shared on x that it went viral. But when that 379 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 2: clip was shared, I did a quick bit of maths. 380 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: It was ten twenty three am on the sixth of 381 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: March Australian time, in LA time, that was three twenty 382 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: three pm on the fifth of March, and that was 383 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: ninety minutes before OSCAR voting closed. 384 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 4: Oh wow, so this could have impacted his chances by 385 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 4: ninety minutes possibly. 386 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 2: I'm talking about if voters had seen the clip in 387 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 2: the first ninety minutes that it had been posted, right. 388 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 4: Okay, So for that clip to really have impacted Timothy 389 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 4: shallow May's chances, the voting body needed to have not 390 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 4: yet voted. Yeah, so they needed to be kind of 391 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 4: running behind on their submissions. 392 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. 393 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 4: Plus they needed to have seen that the moment it 394 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 4: went viral, pretty. 395 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: Much the moment it was posted full stop. Okay. 396 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 4: There of other reasons why the tide had kind of 397 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 4: turned towards Michael B. 398 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: Jordan and his win. The ACTRA Awards is a big one. 399 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, with the Actor Awards when coming at the start 400 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: of the last week of OSCAR voting. So anything could happen. 401 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thrilling thing about the Oscars. Anything 402 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 2: can happen. And the other thing is once the votes 403 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: have been submitted, that's it. You can't change the result. 404 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: I mean, think back a couple of years, will Smith 405 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: slapped Chris Rock. 406 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: On stage mid ceremony. 407 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: Twenty five minutes later he was standing up there holding 408 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: his oscar. 409 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, what a wild time that was for the world 410 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 4: of pop culture. Yeah, Lucy, thank you so much for 411 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 4: explaining all of that to us. It's so fascinating And 412 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 4: if you're as keen as we are to watch the ceremony, 413 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 4: you can check it out on seven and seven plus 414 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 4: Monday morning, Australian Eastern daylight time ten am. That's right, 415 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 4: the red carpet action kicks off at nine thirty am, 416 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 4: although I'm sure on your commute into work there'll be 417 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 4: plenty of exciting and delicious red carpet pictures for us 418 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 4: to look at. So exciting, and for in contention too, 419 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 4: we should mention Rose Byrne, Jacob Laudie, Nick. 420 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: Cave, Fiona Crombie, production designer on Hamnet. 421 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 3: Very exciting. 422 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 4: We'll be updating you over on the TDA feed throughout 423 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 4: the day if those Aussies are successful. Thank you for 424 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 4: listening to today's episode. We'll be back with the headlines 425 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 4: later on. Until then, have a good day. 426 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 427 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: bunge Lung Chalcatin woman from Gadighl country. 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