WEBVTT - How To Achieve An Eargasm 👂

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<v Speaker 1>Tippy tapping, make the juice confused.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't right. Let yay? Have you Friday?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I'm ready to go home.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 3>It's okay, it's giving three pm.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you start lying? It's always I'm not gonna lie,

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna lie. Why don't you start Why don't you commit?

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<v Speaker 2>Do I say that? I? Yeah, see, like, not gonna lie,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna lie. Lie.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't realize like we need to call each other

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<v Speaker 3>out on what we say all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I like them. Yeah, yeah, it's how I know.

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<v Speaker 2>My biggest fear is that if one day I was

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<v Speaker 2>body snatched. So someone came in and said, we're using

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<v Speaker 2>your body as a host's body and we're implanting somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else into it, how would you know it's happened? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what weird thing could I say or do? They'd be like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>something's off with this girl.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I say that was my fault. We have to know

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<v Speaker 2>because the odds of that happening are not small. We

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<v Speaker 2>need to know what the signs are. Everybody, go to

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<v Speaker 2>your local and get your fact straight. Sorry, that was.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly anyway, we're also gonna be talking about you would.

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<v Speaker 2>Think you would sooner think I had depression if I said, you, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Literally anyway, I'm gonna give you the rules for blanking

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<v Speaker 3>on plants, not gonna lie. I kind of dissociated while

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<v Speaker 3>we did this break, so I don't really know what's happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like, this is a good case and point for

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<v Speaker 3>if you're a UNI studying and paying attention your flex

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<v Speaker 3>and firms say, this is flex and firms.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't often talk about like dynamics between parents and children,

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<v Speaker 2>not because there isn't heaps of content, but I guess

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<v Speaker 2>what better time than the present?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Recently The New Yorker came out with this article entitled

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<v Speaker 2>do I still have to be a good daughter? Even

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<v Speaker 2>though my mum is selfish? And I said, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a controversial headline, and basically what this section of the

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<v Speaker 2>site is is a classic advice column. You ask a question,

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<v Speaker 2>post the specific context, and then the person the author sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>will respond And I think this is very controversial and

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<v Speaker 2>there's some good stuff in here. And I read I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in a situation with my mom who's in her late seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in a situationship with my mom, who's in her

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<v Speaker 2>late seventies, and I appreciate your help. We used to

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<v Speaker 2>be semi close, but since I've had kids, she is

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<v Speaker 2>checked out of being a person I can count on.

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<v Speaker 2>She's barely able to be a grandmother and does not

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<v Speaker 2>make an effort to get to know my kids. She

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<v Speaker 2>seems very selfish.

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<v Speaker 1>She's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe she was always like this and I've never noticed

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<v Speaker 2>until I became a mum. She's not an addict or abusive,

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<v Speaker 2>just self centered and immature. She never asks me about myself,

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<v Speaker 2>and when I do talk about myself, she mostly reacts

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<v Speaker 2>by being anxious or confused. I don't know how she

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<v Speaker 2>functions in the world, but I'm done making an effort

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<v Speaker 2>to spend time with her only to be disappointed. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't see why I should call her every week and

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<v Speaker 2>fly across and fly across the country to visit her

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<v Speaker 2>if our relationship is going to be totally one sided.

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<v Speaker 2>My brother, however, disagrees with me and thinks I'm being

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<v Speaker 2>too hard on her. He wants the family to all

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<v Speaker 2>get along together and doesn't see my side of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I have a duty to be a good daughter

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<v Speaker 2>or can I follow my gut. This is from c. Brooklyn. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the advice given I think is super interesting, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>wondering if we should read out this advice on air

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about our feelings on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a fantastic choice.

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<v Speaker 2>We can at least read a little bit this author says.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a New York magazine author who will

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<v Speaker 2>not be named because they haven't left the name. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to think about our relationship with our parents

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<v Speaker 2>as having two phases, the one you have with them

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<v Speaker 2>when they are alive and the one you have with

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<v Speaker 2>them when they're dead. My god, what anything can happen

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<v Speaker 2>While they're alive. You can say things that will surprise

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<v Speaker 2>them and vice versa. Incredible the way we're able to

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<v Speaker 2>keep surprising each other even after we've written each other off.

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<v Speaker 2>When they're dead, all you can do is live with

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<v Speaker 2>what you did and didn't say. Now, that is one

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<v Speaker 2>paragraph of a five paragraph response that I think will

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<v Speaker 2>be better served on our podcast. Frames anywhere you get

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<v Speaker 2>good podcasts, I really recommend four point nine stars, rated

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<v Speaker 2>by thousands. It's a cult favorite. Unintended.

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<v Speaker 3>I love to learn, especially about things that feel good

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<v Speaker 3>on my body. Now. I think I've spoken about this

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<v Speaker 3>probably three times on the show, but it's never too

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<v Speaker 3>late to hear more of this. I love my ears.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll stop it there. I'm happy to stop at that.

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<v Speaker 3>I love my ears being touched, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Outside, inside, both. So I've never gone for your ears before,

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<v Speaker 2>and I give you massage just quite frequently.

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<v Speaker 3>Honey, on the way home if I drive you, can

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<v Speaker 3>you do a little touch.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very dangerous to be doing that on the roads, babe,

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<v Speaker 2>don't worry, like, oh yeah, actually, given what you're about

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Won't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>But essentially I have learned because I was curious, since

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<v Speaker 3>I am a big fan, what this is all about,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I found an explanation that I'll get right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Just one moment, Caitlyn, I apologize. So if you do

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<v Speaker 3>you like when people touch your ears or do you

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<v Speaker 3>like cleaning your own ear out?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I like it?

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer like my four arms delicately grace.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's fantastic too.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it turns out if you're someone like me who

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<v Speaker 3>likes their ears being touched, it's because there's a whole

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<v Speaker 3>lot of nerve and inside your ear and it's connected

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<v Speaker 3>to the vadger's nerve, not to be confused vagus nerve.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, damn.

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<v Speaker 2>Because.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I always thought of it as you know, related

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<v Speaker 3>to you the other ve.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like the cleaning my ear feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>It does, well, you know what, stimulating them with a

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<v Speaker 3>cotton bud, which we shouldn't be doing. Oh, I'll get

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<v Speaker 3>to that, babe, is all sort of visceral pleasure and

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<v Speaker 3>what dermatologists refer to as the each scratch cycle. So

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<v Speaker 3>once you start it circle to stop. That's a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of me. And they say that they've referred sensations from

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<v Speaker 3>other parts of the body.

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<v Speaker 1>So like a.

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<v Speaker 3>Classic example is that people have something in their ear

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<v Speaker 3>and it feels like something in your throat because I

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<v Speaker 3>never realized this until I learned what an ear, nose

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<v Speaker 3>and throat doctor is. But the person that does the ear,

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<v Speaker 3>the nose, in the throat, tell me why he's doing

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<v Speaker 3>all of them? Oh, she's doing all of them. They

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<v Speaker 3>because they're all one connect. Okay, So this is why

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<v Speaker 3>you shouldn't put an ear button your ear. I think

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<v Speaker 3>we're all across why, but still some of us I

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<v Speaker 3>like to hear it. I get addicted. You know what

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<v Speaker 3>I do sometimes, which is I do not endorse on air,

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<v Speaker 3>is you know the like pinple picker, like rods, the

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<v Speaker 3>really thing I've been known to like get in the

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<v Speaker 3>ear with one of them, which is the worst you

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<v Speaker 3>could ever do. But you've got to be super careful

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<v Speaker 3>because your ear drum is really thin and if you

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<v Speaker 3>break that, you can do irreparable damage.

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<v Speaker 1>So get the stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You take the risk every time.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, no, no, it's only when I'm I find myself.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like when you want to pick at your skin.

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<v Speaker 3>You have some people like just want to go to

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<v Speaker 3>tilent their skin. Same sensation, very self destructive, almost almost

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<v Speaker 3>in the hurting yourself realms. Do not stick a cue

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<v Speaker 3>tip in your ear because it's like putting a plunge

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<v Speaker 3>in the toilet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and that's what I say, you know, pushing the

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<v Speaker 1>pood down.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know was that traumatic.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can also hurt your hearing bones, which I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know. Infection, bleeding, dah dah. The last thing that

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<v Speaker 3>I want.

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<v Speaker 2>To people hoping to give us this information. I know, right,

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<v Speaker 2>why why why would you create fear mongering for good reason?

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<v Speaker 2>And yet we don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so, I'm gonna be honest, why did they create

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<v Speaker 3>the earbuds? If truly them in That feels like self sabotage.

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<v Speaker 2>That feels like quite sinister if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>Why would you put this tool in every store for

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<v Speaker 2>a nominal fee of.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple bucks that anyone could anyone could get now,

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<v Speaker 3>flaking on plans? We are all guilty of it from

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<v Speaker 3>time to time. I don't think I know anyone with

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<v Speaker 3>a one hundred percent strike rate in terms of showing up,

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<v Speaker 3>being there getting the plans done.

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<v Speaker 2>I not since high school. But even then, YEA even

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<v Speaker 2>said I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sorry exactly, you're a little excuse.

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<v Speaker 3>So I have decided that there are some limits to

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<v Speaker 3>when you can on cannot flake. Of course, we have

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<v Speaker 3>little tiny four y bulls in our lives. We're feeling

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<v Speaker 3>really bad, we are coming down with a sickness like

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<v Speaker 3>there's definitely real reasons why you can flake.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's what I think. I recently flaked on a

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<v Speaker 1>plan with.

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<v Speaker 3>A friend due to benign Are you who's this?

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<v Speaker 1>This is me?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, So I recently flaked on a plan with

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<v Speaker 3>a friend due to benign extreme tiredness.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote this a while ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what I meant.

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<v Speaker 3>I just remember I had been in bed all day.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd gone out the night before. It had turned into

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<v Speaker 3>a very late evening, so the next day I'd spent

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<v Speaker 3>all day in bed watching after Sun. It was a

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<v Speaker 3>horrible experience. I had to hate chessp as well, and

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<v Speaker 3>a vanilla slice was horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>You're really going through it.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, I was going through it so hard, babes.

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<v Speaker 1>But I had my mum. This was a beautiful experience.

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<v Speaker 3>Essentially, what I did to give myself some time because

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes I get decision paralysis when I'm really tired. And

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<v Speaker 3>my friend said to me, come over, sleep over down

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<v Speaker 3>the coast with me. It's a one hour drive. I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm probably not in the right state to drive, so

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<v Speaker 3>I said, give me fifteen minutes to come back to you.

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<v Speaker 2>That was going to be a no no.

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<v Speaker 3>But you never know because I kept good being on

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<v Speaker 3>the fence, and sometimes I do believe you were on

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<v Speaker 3>the fence about plans because I knew it's going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your consideration in this moment.

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<v Speaker 3>My consideration was it's an hour away in the car.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm driving my mum's car. It's not my cast added

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<v Speaker 3>element of you know danger, I'm not going to be

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<v Speaker 3>a great hang when I get there because I'm so tired.

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<v Speaker 3>But the other ones are. I haven't seen my friend

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<v Speaker 3>in a long time. She has a sauna. Another one

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<v Speaker 3>of our mutual friends was there for.

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney, like he has a sauna. You might open to me,

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<v Speaker 2>please thank you?

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<v Speaker 3>Any other in any other.

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<v Speaker 1>Time?

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<v Speaker 2>Was this what day? Was this a Saturday?

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<v Speaker 3>It was a Sunday, Sunday? No, no, no, it was

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<v Speaker 3>a Saturday night. Anyway, all I say, ise give yourself

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<v Speaker 3>the fifteen minute window. Say give me fifteen minutes. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you know some people say, oh maybe I'll come mayor won't.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to tell people I might come, I might not.

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<v Speaker 3>I will give you the definitive answer in the X

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<v Speaker 3>amount of time. So it goes to the same with parties.

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<v Speaker 3>If you know two weeks out you might not be

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<v Speaker 3>able to make it, say I might not be able

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<v Speaker 3>to make it, but i'll tell you when I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to decide.

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<v Speaker 2>That gives you a window, or even a one week window,

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<v Speaker 2>seems to make a lot of sense. The fifteen minute window.

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<v Speaker 2>So if I was asking you to hang out through me,

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<v Speaker 2>and you said give me fifteen minutes. What I would

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<v Speaker 2>assume is that you are figuring out other plans to

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<v Speaker 2>bail on because you double booked.

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<v Speaker 3>Potentially, which has been done to me before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so that you haven't told us how to

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<v Speaker 2>flake though.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I'm telling you the other one.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well no that's how Well then yeah, you say hey, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>actually no, confirming I will not be coming.

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<v Speaker 2>So how you you agree to plans, and then moments

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<v Speaker 2>before you're due to be at those plans, you reach

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<v Speaker 2>back out and say, I've had second thoughts. Give me

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes to reconsider.

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<v Speaker 3>No, let's say the hang is in a week's time, right, No,

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<v Speaker 3>let's say the hang is tomorrow and it's a loose plan.

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<v Speaker 3>You on the day before say hey, I might not

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<v Speaker 3>be able to make it, but give me fifteen anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever effect feel. Okay, the last limit.

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<v Speaker 1>But you need to know your limits.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you have an incompatible star with someone like

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<v Speaker 3>they're a constant flaker and you need plans to be planned,

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<v Speaker 3>you need to decide how much.

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<v Speaker 1>Energy you want to give them in your life full stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it does. I recently made a new friend and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really know what kind of friends we would be,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, when you meet someone new, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>anticipating a lifelong friendship with them.

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<v Speaker 1>No way.

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<v Speaker 2>And so every time we'd make plans, he'd flake. But

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of knew his vibe, like he's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of like a melancholy depressiana. So I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you got a lot of going on, I'm not stressed.

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<v Speaker 2>It got to the point where every time we'd make plans,

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<v Speaker 2>they would flake, or he would flake, right, So then

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't make any plans with him, and then he'd

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<v Speaker 2>be really insistent that we catch up. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>stopped being flaky, and then I became flaky in response

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<v Speaker 2>to his flakiness. So initially he might say let's do

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<v Speaker 2>dinner on a Saturday, and Saturday would come and he flake.

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<v Speaker 2>And so in response, now when he'd say let's do

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<v Speaker 2>dinner on a Saturday, I would double book because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>well he's gonna flake.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he doesn't flake precisely precisely, I'm confused.

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<v Speaker 2>So I said this aught to say, be mindful of

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<v Speaker 2>how your behavior is impacting other people's behavior. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>created a whole flake proof personality to accommodate for his flakiness.

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<v Speaker 2>And now look look at where we are. Look at

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<v Speaker 2>where we are in his flex and rooms on caterer.

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<v Speaker 2>I've noticed something in pop culture everyone, I'm doing that

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<v Speaker 2>thing where I'm realizing art celebrities using their fans as

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<v Speaker 2>tmz are celebrities using their fans as media outlets to

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<v Speaker 2>push narratives that need to come across as casual, incidental

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<v Speaker 2>in the moment, and not prescriptive paparazzi setup shots.

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<v Speaker 1>Yikes.

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<v Speaker 2>I say this because it was recently revealed that Timothy

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<v Speaker 2>Schalla May and Kylie Jenner are in fact, in a

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<v Speaker 2>real relationship. I say real relationship because it's not unusual

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<v Speaker 2>that in the celebrity sphere people pretend to be dating

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<v Speaker 2>for various reasons. It reflects on them positively. They want

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<v Speaker 2>to promote a movie, and they know we love talking

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<v Speaker 2>about dating a bunch of different reasons. Now, Timmy and

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<v Speaker 2>Kylie have been rumored to be together for about seven

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<v Speaker 2>months now, a long time, and we saw or we

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<v Speaker 2>heard that they went to Coachella together, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we saw any pictures, and they presumably got tacos

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<v Speaker 2>or something before Coachella, and then a couple months after,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw what could have been an AI photo of

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<v Speaker 2>Kylie meeting Timothy's family, but the quality was so blurry

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<v Speaker 2>that it felt like it wasn't a real photo. Literally,

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<v Speaker 2>And so had the Kardashians and the Chalomays been trying

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<v Speaker 2>to plant this story that they are in fact a

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<v Speaker 2>real couple. It wasn't landing with us because we couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>trust the information. Lo and Behold. Beyonce, for her Renaissance tour,

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<v Speaker 2>has a birthday event because it was her birthday. She's

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<v Speaker 2>a virgo, to which she invited all of these celebrities

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<v Speaker 2>to vip, from Michelle Obama to Zendaya, to Tom Holland

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<v Speaker 2>to Kylie Jenna and Timothy Shallam. And what we saw

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<v Speaker 2>on the Internet were copious amounts of viral videos of

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<v Speaker 2>Timothy Chalomagne and Kylie Jenner kissing. He's groping her, they're giggling,

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<v Speaker 2>they're cackling. And it was in that moment the Internet said,

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<v Speaker 2>we have no choice but to believe this, because what

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<v Speaker 2>is more verifiable than a regular person documenting secretly this

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<v Speaker 2>couple being intimate. They're not. Long after, people went on

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<v Speaker 2>to say well, is it really secret though? I mean

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<v Speaker 2>he's looking right at the camera constantly. They're not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be hidden. Look, it's been seven months of hiding

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<v Speaker 2>yourselves and planting these fake intimate moments in the media,

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<v Speaker 2>and now you're here, dressed to the nines looking directly

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<v Speaker 2>in a fans camera. This is multiple angles, mind you,

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<v Speaker 2>multiple angles. Now they're upstairs, now they're downstairs, or directly

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<v Speaker 2>in frame of fans. And so then I said, this

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<v Speaker 2>must be a tactic because if celebrities can no longer

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<v Speaker 2>plant stories in the traditional spaces, because we are distrustful

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<v Speaker 2>of those spaces, right, we don't want to hear a source, Sen, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hear a source, Sen. They have

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out how to get the information to us

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that we think is verifiable. A random

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<v Speaker 2>person with no relation showing us this information. Nobody believed

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<v Speaker 2>that Taylor Swift was dating Maddy Healy until fans got

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<v Speaker 2>images of them at restaurants, and then it was believable.

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<v Speaker 2>So I reckon there is a strategy in seft launching

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<v Speaker 2>or hard launching in an environment where you know you

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<v Speaker 2>will be documented and letting fans break the stories because

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<v Speaker 2>you get way more oppressed than if you just like

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<v Speaker 2>planted it in Vogue or whatever. Right, clearly it was working.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty like it was a very exciting concert for Beyonce,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it was a cultural reset.

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<v Speaker 2>Some would say, absolutely got you got an ext President

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<v Speaker 2>oh sitting in VIP.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Beyonce is the celebrity. Beyonce is the celebrity for celebrities. Agreed,

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<v Speaker 2>And there aren't they very many. Prince was it was, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there are very few celebrities whose celebrities are like, I

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<v Speaker 2>love you Gaga.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe definitely, definitely our girl Beyonce.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Anyway, you've heard it here first, you've.

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