Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Amy Torba and coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day
Speaker 1: gives birth to.
Speaker 2: Baby number three.
Speaker 1: Ashpollard rages about being fired by her house cleaners, and
Speaker 1: Liam Payne's Argentinian hotel is raided by police following his death.
Speaker 1: But first, Matt Zakowski has been forced to deny flirting
Speaker 1: with a mystery brunette during a paid trip to Sydney. Now,
Speaker 1: this all took place while his fiance, Tammy Hembro, was
Speaker 1: at a much publicized retreat in Greece. These fresh claims
Speaker 1: come off the back of an explosive podcast expose into
Speaker 1: Matt's previous relationship with his ex girlfriend Jen.
Speaker 2: Now, so if you all want to get.
Speaker 1: Into these fresh allegations, because a series of photos of
Speaker 1: Matt talking to a brunette woman in a pub surfaced
Speaker 1: on Reddit, of all places, and this story was quickly
Speaker 1: picked up by The Daily Male, who round with the
Speaker 1: headline Matt Zikowski spotted chatting up a mystery brunette in
Speaker 1: Sydney after boozy private jet flight while Tammy Hembro.
Speaker 2: Is away in Greece.
Speaker 1: Now there's photos when published by The Daily Mail, didn't
Speaker 1: look great. But in his defense, when you dig a
Speaker 1: little bit deeper into the story, it's not what it
Speaker 1: appears to be because he was in Sydney for a
Speaker 1: brand trip with a private jet company and he didn't
Speaker 1: disclose the partnership, which has led to a bit of
Speaker 1: confusion because people were thinking that he and his friends
Speaker 1: hired this private jet when an actual fact, the company
Speaker 1: paid for him and a bunch of influences to be
Speaker 1: taken on this private jet and they actually ended up
Speaker 1: thanking him for joining them on the trip. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: this brand flew twelve creators to Sydney for an exclusive
Speaker 1: Thursday night escape and the group partied at a cocktail
Speaker 1: bar on Harrington Street. Now The Daily Mail initially tried
Speaker 1: to push the rhetoric that Matt was chatting up a
Speaker 1: random woman at the bar, but it turns out the
Speaker 1: woman pictured was model Amy Jekovic, who was part of
Speaker 1: this paid trip. And photos also emerged of Matt talking
Speaker 1: to another mystery woman, this time a blonde woman, and
Speaker 1: that person turned out to be influencer Lexi Mary, who
Speaker 1: has over ten thousand followers on Instagram. She was also
Speaker 1: part of the trip, so Matt's crime is that he
Speaker 1: was seen chatting to other creators who were also on
Speaker 1: this paid trip. Now, following all of the media reports,
Speaker 1: an Instagram page called Reese and London ain't shit so
Speaker 1: clearly a big tammy hemo fan, she reshared the photos
Speaker 1: and leveled cheating allegations at Matt.
Speaker 2: I love that you assume the account owner is a she.
Speaker 1: He would bet probably a lot of my money that
Speaker 1: this is a woman who was running this account. Now.
Speaker 1: They also claimed that Matt wasn't wearing his wedding ring,
Speaker 1: but they're not married, yeah, men, I mean we actually
Speaker 1: our friend, one of our friends, she got engaged really young,
Speaker 1: and her partner did wear an engagement ring. But it's
Speaker 1: not common practice for men to wear engagement rings and
Speaker 1: they're not yet married, so of course he's not wearing
Speaker 1: a wedding band. They should have to wear engagement rings
Speaker 1: because I mean, it's kind they nice, like you want
Speaker 1: to show that you're at a committed relationship with your partner. Now.
Speaker 1: The Instagram account in question shared a photo dump of
Speaker 1: the images of Matt talking to a number of different
Speaker 1: women and also bizarre video footage and wrote Tammy goes
Speaker 1: on an all girls trip. So Matt decides to go
Speaker 1: on a private plane to another destination and drink alcohol
Speaker 1: with some guys and a bunch of random girls that
Speaker 1: he doesn't know. One girl set up her camera to
Speaker 1: film the night, and luckily Matt wasn't aware of the camera,
Speaker 1: so he was caught flirting with two girls and even
Speaker 1: got his phone out to show the blonde something. Matt
Speaker 1: and the blonde girl were way too comfortable with each other,
Speaker 1: considering he's taken and they just met. Matt kept talking
Speaker 1: to the light brunette and the blonde, but at different times.
Speaker 1: It's insane that Matt was caught messaging a girl behind
Speaker 1: Tammy's back and tried to blame the alcohol, but here
Speaker 1: he is drinking alcohol and talking to multiple women he
Speaker 1: doesn't know. Matt tried to make it look like he
Speaker 1: was just hanging out with the guys and his stories
Speaker 1: and Instagram posts after the trip, he even played games
Speaker 1: with the girls and didn't want to post about it
Speaker 1: under why crying Face. What was bizarre about the post
Speaker 1: was the vision that was included almost looked like a
Speaker 1: surveillance camera. I think, yeah, it looked like it had
Speaker 1: been taken from the restaurant or bar CCTV. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was maybe someone sold it off and thought, fuck, oh,
Speaker 1: sell this to the Daily Mail and make a lot
Speaker 1: of money from her. It was hardly damning. It's like
Speaker 1: he was talking to the girls who were part of
Speaker 1: the tree. Everyone knows that you can create a story
Speaker 1: around videos and photos that you get. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it didn't look great, especially off the back of this
Speaker 1: podcast expos from so dramatic that we are going to
Speaker 1: get into a bit later. But Matt actually responded to
Speaker 1: this Instagram page, which is quite rare because there's been
Speaker 1: bigger allegations made against Matt which he has not responded
Speaker 1: to publicly. So he wrote, I don't normally comment on
Speaker 1: this stuff, but I thought i'd jump in here. They
Speaker 1: are my mates and we have the same management, so
Speaker 1: we have met at many events before. They are engaged
Speaker 1: as well, and we were talking about wedding prep and
Speaker 1: comparing our engagements. In the Mold Dives, I was involved
Speaker 1: always say mal Dives. Oh sorry I've been watching I've
Speaker 1: been listening to too much Staffron Bar. Anyway, I continue
Speaker 1: I was invited to this event weeks ago and would
Speaker 1: have gone whether my fiance was in Australia or not.
Speaker 1: You guys need to get alive. Seriously, It's so strange
Speaker 1: how obsessed you are with people you have never met
Speaker 1: and know only from social media. Also, you know the
Speaker 1: man gets a wedding band after the marriage. Some of
Speaker 1: us don't wear engagement rings. I kind of like that
Speaker 1: Matt rebutted these claims and explained the situation, because as
Speaker 1: much as I feel like he is a bit of
Speaker 1: a shady character, he has been copying a lot of shit,
Speaker 1: like a barrage of shit, to the point where it
Speaker 1: feel like everyone is against you and your relationship, and
Speaker 1: you probably feel like everyone wants this to fail right
Speaker 1: before the wedding because obviously this is Tammy's third engagement.
Speaker 1: Everyone has this theory that she's not going to walk
Speaker 1: down the aisle.
Speaker 2: Why don't want it ruined? I would like to we
Speaker 2: walked down the aisle selfishly.
Speaker 1: I think the only issue with Matt responding is now
Speaker 1: he's set this precedence. So in terms of this story,
Speaker 1: I think anyone can kind of read between the lines
Speaker 1: and see that it was a bit of bullshit and
Speaker 1: that's why he's come out in defense of it. But
Speaker 1: he hasn't come out in defense of these recent claims
Speaker 1: made by so dramatic. So let's get into those now,
Speaker 1: Meg and pisetto she clearly did her research because she
Speaker 1: found out some very juicy details from Matt's ex girlfriend,
Speaker 1: Jen's friends and akadg probably just Jen herself in her
Speaker 1: friend that accounts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so these details.
Speaker 1: Didn't paint Matt very well and it would have been
Speaker 1: a hard listen for Tammy. Now it really didn't miss
Speaker 1: a beat this podcast episode. It dives straight into when
Speaker 1: Matt and Jen broke up, and Matt claimed in his
Speaker 1: podcast that the reason behind the split was due to
Speaker 1: his infertility. However, Jen's friends claim that they broke up
Speaker 1: because Matt went behind Jen's back and auditioned for.
Speaker 2: Love Island UK.
Speaker 1: This actually makes sense as a massive fan of Love
Speaker 1: Island UK. There was a series I think it was
Speaker 1: last year or the year before where they had two
Speaker 1: Australian contestants. It was Jesse, I can't remember the guy's name,
Speaker 1: so obviously they were auditioning for Australian Love Island contestants.
Speaker 1: With such a huge opportunity as well to appear on
Speaker 1: Love Island UK. I mean, we know the exposure that
Speaker 1: that show gets, it's shown in the US. It would
Speaker 1: be a huge career move for Matt to appear on there.
Speaker 2: But Jesse has blown up.
Speaker 1: Like I love her content with Farmer Wheel, but the
Speaker 1: only issue is if you've got a girlfriend, yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't quite work. It's gonna come out and you're gonna
Speaker 1: look like a total dick.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: The allegations got worse because they also included Matt's co
Speaker 1: host Anna McAvoy, so she's been dragged into the drama.
Speaker 1: It's claimed that she encouraged Matt to audition for the
Speaker 1: show behind Jen's back because she allegedly thought it would
Speaker 1: help benefit their podcast. She's not wrong, it would have
Speaker 1: greatly benefited their podcast. Look, maybe she knew that Jen
Speaker 1: and Matt were on the Rocks and thought, oh fuck
Speaker 1: it just dumb heer, so we can get this opportunity.
Speaker 1: I feel like Anna is a bit of a Bambi character,
Speaker 1: Like I feel a bit sorry for her, But still
Speaker 1: if your Jen, you would be like you would feel
Speaker 1: so betrayed because I feel like you do develop a
Speaker 1: special friendship with your partner's girlfriends like, yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem right, but perhaps Anna was being sold a different story.
Speaker 1: Maybe Matt was saying, well, actually, Jen's really keen on it.
Speaker 1: She doesn't care that I'm going to go in there.
Speaker 1: She knows it's for my career now. The other major
Speaker 1: bombshell from this episode was that Matt was allegedly still
Speaker 1: with Jen whilst he started dating Tammy hembro So, Jen's
Speaker 1: friend alleged that the former couple had agreed on being
Speaker 1: exclusive and we're even starting a dashound business together.
Speaker 2: Now this ties into your theory from the other week,
Speaker 2: thank cute.
Speaker 1: So if we remember back to that grand unfollowing that
Speaker 1: happened right before their joint Hucks party, Matt was posting
Speaker 1: at this random marketplace and he put up a photo
Speaker 1: of a dashhound stall like it was a specialty dash
Speaker 1: hand stall, and I thought it was very strange because
Speaker 1: he had previously posted a lot of content with Jen,
Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend's dog, and about how this dog was
Speaker 1: his whole life. And it's even weirder now that Megan
Speaker 1: has revealed that he was actually starting up a dashhound
Speaker 1: business with Jen. Well, the allegations get even worse because
Speaker 1: the date of Tammy and Matt's anniversary is the same
Speaker 1: date as Jen's birthday. And why this matters is because
Speaker 1: this year, Matt and Jen allegedly celebrated her birthday together
Speaker 1: with a staycation at a hotel. Side note, it's claimed
Speaker 1: that Jen paid for the hotel room as well, so
Speaker 1: there were a few subtle jibes that basically Matt is
Speaker 1: a stingebag and Jen was apparently livid when the first
Speaker 1: photos broke of Tammy and Matt together at a hotel
Speaker 1: and if you remember, people weren't sure who she was
Speaker 1: with because the photos were really blurry, and at the
Speaker 1: t time, Matt allegedly told his friends that he was
Speaker 1: still in love with Jen, but dating Tammy would be good.
Speaker 2: For his career.
Speaker 1: Something that was touched on during this podcast is that
Speaker 1: fame seems to be a big motivator for Matt because
Speaker 1: he has been accused of only dating his former partner
Speaker 1: Kira Maguire, who was on The Bachelor for the same reason,
Speaker 1: and also obviously the fact that he wanted to go
Speaker 1: on Love Ireland to further his career. Well. Meagan also
Speaker 1: points it out that Matt has been quite vocal about
Speaker 1: what his type is, which is a brunette woman with
Speaker 1: big boobs. Well, this was backed up by a ton
Speaker 1: of upsots from his podcast where he talked about loving
Speaker 1: brunette women obviously with big boobs. All it made me
Speaker 1: think about was the fact that Tammy Henbroy recently got
Speaker 1: even larger breasting plants put in yeah, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you thought things couldn't get any worse. Matt was
Speaker 1: also accused of being a serial cheat, so Jen's friends
Speaker 1: claimed he cheated on Jen multiple times and that when
Speaker 1: he was caught out, he apparently used the same excuse
Speaker 1: he did on Tammy back in March, that he was
Speaker 1: trying to wing man his friends.
Speaker 2: Now, the reason why.
Speaker 1: Jen's friends have spoken out and not Jen herself is
Speaker 1: allegedly because Matt has threatened to sue Jen for defamation
Speaker 1: if she does so. I mean, these pretty big claims,
Speaker 1: and someone like Megan, she always has receipts, so I
Speaker 1: think she can confidently back up these claims that she's made.
Speaker 1: I also enjoyed the fact that Megan debunked Matt's claims
Speaker 1: that he didn't know who Tammy Hembro was before he
Speaker 1: slid into her DMS and asked her to attend his
Speaker 1: podcast live show, so she dug up an old podcast
Speaker 1: interview where Matt and Anna interviewed a guy called Chase.
Speaker 1: I think he was a boxer, and during that interview,
Speaker 1: Chase spoke about his plans to slide into Tammy's DMS
Speaker 1: and spoke about how beneficial it would be to date her.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is where Matt got a few ideas. It's
Speaker 1: just very, very awkward. I was loving this podcast interview
Speaker 1: because it was one I listened and my mouth was
Speaker 1: a jar the whole time. I wrung my mum and
Speaker 1: I'm like, Mum, you need to listen to this because
Speaker 1: she loves all the juicy influencer drama.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, it goes into so much detail.
Speaker 1: So I highly recommend going and listening to the full
Speaker 1: episode if you are as invested as we are in
Speaker 1: the Matt and Tammy drama. And Megan Pistetto did go
Speaker 1: to Anna McAvoy four comment. Tammy and Matt are yet
Speaker 1: to respond to the claims, but Anna responded saying she
Speaker 1: denied she bullied Jen and confirmed that Matt and Jen
Speaker 1: were broken up when he started dating Tammy. Interestingly, she
Speaker 1: didn't respond to the allegations that Matt applied for Love
Speaker 1: Island UK. I've obviously had a gorgeous third baby boy.
Speaker 1: Sarah's Day has given birth to her third baby boy,
Speaker 1: now Sophy. Despite months of Sarah dropping baby name clues,
Speaker 1: a lot of her followers were surprised by the name.
Speaker 1: Yeah Well. On Friday, Sarah announced that her third son's
Speaker 1: name is Harlow Judah Tills and I was pleasantly surprised
Speaker 1: because I've always been a fan of this name. I
Speaker 1: remember first hearing it back in I think two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven when Nicole Richie and Joel Madden had their
Speaker 1: baby girl called Harlow, and then everybody started calling their
Speaker 1: daughters Harlow. Fun fact, our beautiful gray kitten at the time,
Speaker 1: called Louley. We gave her the middle name Harlow, so
Speaker 1: I've always had a soft spot for it. I was
Speaker 1: surprised to hear, though, that this is a gender neutral name,
Speaker 1: because I've always thought of it as a girl's name.
Speaker 2: Yeah same.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever met a boy that's called Harlow,
Speaker 1: but I don't see why it can't be a boy's
Speaker 1: name either. But fun fact, Sarah's Day is a massive
Speaker 1: Nicole Richie fan, so I wonder if that had any
Speaker 1: sway over the name. The first thing I thought as
Speaker 1: well when I saw the name was hold on, how
Speaker 1: did this play into those clues? But influencer updates did
Speaker 1: the heavy lifting for us. So if you remember, the
Speaker 1: clue for the first name was someone saluting and also
Speaker 1: a heel.
Speaker 2: So when you look up the meaning.
Speaker 1: Of the name Harlow, it says Harlow is a gender
Speaker 1: neutral name of English origin meaning army hill. The badass
Speaker 1: baby name is sure to instill strength and confidence in
Speaker 1: its wearing, so Army the sloating sign hill obviously the
Speaker 1: hill emoji.
Speaker 2: So I'm surprised more people didn't get it.
Speaker 1: Well, there's been so much talk as well about this
Speaker 1: being Sarah's third boy and how she really wanted a girl.
Speaker 1: So I also thought when I saw the name, has
Speaker 1: she just gone fuck it? I wanted Harlow for a
Speaker 1: girl's name. I'm not getting a girl, So this boy
Speaker 1: is gonna be my Harlow potentially. How do you think Fox,
Speaker 1: Malachi and Harlow will go together? Look, I think Harlow's
Speaker 1: a good addition. It's not offensive it's a cute name.
Speaker 1: It's probably one of the more normal names in that
Speaker 1: selection boys names. Yeah, it's interesting because we put up
Speaker 1: a post on Friday about the name, and quite a
Speaker 1: few listeners were writing in saying, oh, my child.
Speaker 2: Is called Harlow.
Speaker 1: So it is unusual for Sarah to have a name
Speaker 1: that is I wouldn't call it a common name. Well,
Speaker 1: Judah isn't either. That's a trend we're saying at the moment.
Speaker 1: If you look at Justin and Hailey Bieber, they had
Speaker 1: Jack Blues, so they're going for more of a normal name,
Speaker 1: and then they kind.
Speaker 2: Of out their middle name.
Speaker 1: Last week, we recorded our episode a little bit early,
Speaker 1: and Kate and I were making some predictions about how
Speaker 1: Sarah would share her labor news to social media. I
Speaker 1: have to say that I was correct, because Kate thought
Speaker 1: that Sarah was going to be sharing a lot of
Speaker 1: live tiktoks and updates, similar to what Indy Clinton did.
Speaker 1: I thought that she just put up one sort of
Speaker 1: Instagram story teasing that she was going into labor, and
Speaker 1: that's what she did. So on Wednesday, she posted some
Speaker 1: polaroid photos to her Instagram story. So there were three photos,
Speaker 1: one of them was Sarah sitting on a pregnancy ball,
Speaker 1: the other was her at home leaning over the couch
Speaker 1: whilst her mum was stroking her back, obviously in pain.
Speaker 1: And the third was a picture of Malachi and Fox
Speaker 1: and she wrote, and so it began.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Someone posted this to our Facebook community, and there were
Speaker 1: a lot of questions around the tents that she used,
Speaker 1: because people were saying, so, does this mean she's already
Speaker 1: given birth or is it just the incorrect use of
Speaker 1: the word began?
Speaker 2: Should have she said it.
Speaker 1: Begins Sarah had Sarah's had a bad habit in the
Speaker 1: past of using the wrong tenses.
Speaker 2: So people were convinced.
Speaker 1: I took it as in, she's had the baby and
Speaker 1: she's now teasing us and we'll find out in a
Speaker 1: few days.
Speaker 2: Isn't it funny? Because if you think.
Speaker 1: About your friendship group or people you know, anytime someone
Speaker 1: has a baby, they just go quiet on socials for
Speaker 1: a few days, and then you see the announcement. They
Speaker 1: never say just at the hospital, like checking in, like
Speaker 1: nobody knows they're about to give birth. What through a
Speaker 1: lot of people is that Sarah uploaded a video to
Speaker 1: her YouTube channel where she was packing a hospital bag,
Speaker 1: and she later said that she was actually going into
Speaker 1: labor when that video was posted, and I think she
Speaker 1: probably thought, fuck, I've got to get my pregnancy content
Speaker 1: out there because no one's going to be interested in it.
Speaker 2: After the fact.
Speaker 1: Well, Sarah's husband Kurt managed to ruin some of the
Speaker 1: mystery surrounding whether Sarah was actually in labor that day
Speaker 1: because he shared a very rare Instagram story and it
Speaker 1: was him taking his kids out for a walk and
Speaker 1: one of them was in Mitch Orvil's Tiny Trucks branded truck. Well,
Speaker 1: the week prior, he did a big unboxing of this
Speaker 1: truck and he showed him making it and how much
Speaker 1: the kids were enjoying it, and he was saying, oh,
Speaker 1: my great friend Mitch.
Speaker 2: Has given this to us.
Speaker 1: But he didn't actually put like paid partnership or gifted
Speaker 1: or anything like that, and it was very misleading. Now,
Speaker 1: Sarah revealed that she actually went into labor on Monday,
Speaker 1: but she chose to announce her new baby's arrival on
Speaker 1: the Thursday, so she shared a photo on Instagram of
Speaker 1: her family holding hands together and wrote, and just like that,
Speaker 1: the long awaited three boys were created. And of course
Speaker 1: the Blue Tick Brigade were out in force, leaving their
Speaker 1: messages of congratulations, including Indy Clinton, M Davies, L Swift,
Speaker 1: Mitch Orvil, and Steph kles Smith. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: Steph kless Smith and Sarah even knew each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they don't live in the same state. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: just a thing of everyone in the industry feels like
Speaker 1: they know each other and to throw their support out there.
Speaker 2: Maybe Sarah's going to pop up on Steph's podcast soon.
Speaker 1: I don't really think that they share the same ideology
Speaker 1: about health and fitness, so I don't know if we
Speaker 1: see her on the Kick Pod anytime soon. It's quite
Speaker 1: interesting because Sarah has been providing some updates about how
Speaker 1: newborn life is going on an Instagram story, and I
Speaker 1: saw one over the weekend where she explained that for
Speaker 1: the past four days she has been cluster feeding overnight,
Speaker 1: which has meant that she has been feeding for seven
Speaker 1: hours straight overnight. Oh. I felt so sorry for her.
Speaker 1: She looked pretty good considering she'd been up all night.
Speaker 1: And I've got to say, Harlow is a gorgeous looking baby.
Speaker 1: He looks a lot like Fox. Yeah, he really does.
Speaker 1: And He weighed in at two point eight kilos, and
Speaker 1: Sarah gave some insights into his berth. She said it
Speaker 1: was probably the best berth that she'd had. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: in the lead up she spoke about a lot of
Speaker 1: anxiety she had leading into her labor, because she did
Speaker 1: have two very unpleasant experiences when giving birth to Fox
Speaker 1: at Malachi. But it sounded like this, as you said,
Speaker 1: Amy was the best labor out of the lot.
Speaker 2: She said, whilst it did go.
Speaker 1: For a long time, the actual pushing time didn't long
Speaker 1: and it came out very quickly. We are going to
Speaker 1: see that in her labor vlog. I don't know when
Speaker 1: that will come out, she says. She hasn't had an opportunity,
Speaker 1: obviously to even look back at the vision yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only been a few days.
Speaker 1: I liked how real Sarah has been about the birth
Speaker 1: of a third child, because she's showed herself wearing an
Speaker 1: adult nappy. She hasn't made it look entirely glamorous. It's
Speaker 1: just relatable, hideous, to be honest, because as you said,
Speaker 1: like seven hours of feeding and constant cluster feeding, it
Speaker 1: sounds awful. I think a lot of people were surprised
Speaker 1: to find out that Sarah gave birth in a public
Speaker 1: hospital and she has for every one of her pregnancy.
Speaker 1: I really like that because, I mean, the standard of
Speaker 1: cover that you have to have to get into a
Speaker 1: private hospital and how much it cost and the house
Speaker 1: is like, it's not just if you have the top
Speaker 1: healthcare that you walk.
Speaker 2: In and they just deliver the baby.
Speaker 1: Sometimes if you have to have, say a unplanned C section,
Speaker 1: you get a bill of ten thousand dollars. It's crazy,
Speaker 1: I mean, and at the end of the day, if
Speaker 1: you're in a private hospital and something goes wrong, you
Speaker 1: get sent to a public ho Anyway, one thing that
Speaker 1: stood out to me is that Sarah hasn't shown any
Speaker 1: body checks yet. It is still good though it's still
Speaker 1: early days, but I think it's a promising sign that.
Speaker 1: Being said, she has been trying to sell us her
Speaker 1: pregnancy ebooks, so it may come in the next.
Speaker 2: Couple of weeks. Maybe I do have an issue.
Speaker 1: Former My Kitchen Rules contestant Ash Pollard has revealed she
Speaker 1: was fired by her house cleaners for having unrealistic expectations.
Speaker 1: In a ten minute rant, the thirty eight year old
Speaker 1: confessed it's not the first time cleaners have pulled the
Speaker 1: pin on their working relationship. Now, before we get into it,
Speaker 1: so who is Ash Pollard. Well, she first appeared on
Speaker 1: My Kitchen Rules back in twenty fifteen, and these were
Speaker 1: really the glory days of the show when the whole
Speaker 1: nation was captivated by the dinner parties and really brought
Speaker 1: into the storylines. Yeah, because she and her partner Camilla,
Speaker 1: who was her best friend, they were cast as the
Speaker 1: outspoken villains on it. They got a lot of hate
Speaker 1: during that series of Life Kitchen Rule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the show was really.
Speaker 1: Pushing that they were these Melbourne socialites who loved going
Speaker 1: to the polo and the races. But it was quite
Speaker 1: funny because viewers at home started referring to them as
Speaker 1: cashed up bogans and they started saying that they spoke
Speaker 1: like pro and Trude from Kath and Kim. But Ash
Speaker 1: and Kimilla came out and said, if anything, we look
Speaker 1: more like Kath and Kim. And like most reality TV villains,
Speaker 1: they came out hard in the press saying, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: the show has portrayed us in a way that we
Speaker 1: are not.
Speaker 2: We weren't mean.
Speaker 1: We just said things that were bad about the food.
Speaker 1: For those who haven't seen the show, their comments were
Speaker 1: so bad that people thought they were actually paid actors. Well,
Speaker 1: they thought that Ash was a paid actor because some
Speaker 1: journo found some previous.
Speaker 2: Work or ads that she'd been in.
Speaker 1: What's so Folk Star now profile, Well, they always seemed
Speaker 1: to come across Well, she hit out and said, there's
Speaker 1: no way I'm acting. That is all completely natural. I'm
Speaker 1: a bit of a weirdo. Now, since MKR, Ash has
Speaker 1: appeared on Dancing with the Stars, I'm a Celeb and
Speaker 1: also The Traders, and she even had her own breakfast
Speaker 1: radio show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well she's been very successful since MKR and I think
Speaker 1: think a lot of it had to do with her
Speaker 1: appearance on i'mus Celeb, because she really was able to
Speaker 1: redeem herself on there. She showed another side of her personality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now she's the mum of two girls called Clementine
Speaker 1: and Claudette.
Speaker 2: That just made me.
Speaker 1: Laugh because she obviously has this reputation of being a
Speaker 1: bit of a snob and those are very like snobby
Speaker 1: social names. And she does a fair bit of influencing
Speaker 1: work now and she's actually represented by Roxy Jusenko's Ministry
Speaker 1: of Talent. So she's got one hundred and twenty six
Speaker 1: thousand followers exactly at the moment, So quite a good
Speaker 1: following considering she was on a show almost ten years ago. Well,
Speaker 1: this week, Ash made headlines by revealing she was fired
Speaker 1: by her house cleaners. So in a ten minute rant
Speaker 1: that she posted to Instagram, Ash explained that her cleaners
Speaker 1: told her her standards were too high for their service
Speaker 1: before pulling the pin on their working agreements.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: She chose not to name the cleaning company, but slammed
Speaker 1: their service, saying no one wants to put in the
Speaker 1: hard work these days. It was very Kimmy Kay esque
Speaker 1: what she was saying.
Speaker 2: Let's throw to a bit of it.
Speaker 4: Just wondering is it possible to be fired by your
Speaker 4: own employee? Because I just was. My cleaner fired me
Speaker 4: as their client. Do you want to know why my
Speaker 4: cleaner said that my expectations were too high for their service?
Speaker 4: Maybe I do have an issue because I just keep
Speaker 4: thinking it's them. Nah, it's not fucking me, it's them. Seriously,
Speaker 4: what is wrong with people these days? People's standards are low?
Speaker 4: People's people just have low standards or they're not willing
Speaker 4: to put the fucking work in.
Speaker 1: Look, I feel like the problem sits with Ash because
Speaker 1: this isn't the first time that she's been fired.
Speaker 2: Her previous cleaners.
Speaker 1: Also told her that she was expecting too much. I
Speaker 1: suspect she was paying through the nose for these cleaners
Speaker 1: as well, because anyone who listens to the podcast and
Speaker 1: runs a business, you will know there is something in
Speaker 1: the industry called a dickhead tax, and these cleaners would
Speaker 1: have added a dickhead tax to her cleaning. So yeah,
Speaker 1: she did actually confirm that they were being paid very well,
Speaker 1: but she didn't specify the amount. She also said that
Speaker 1: her house was brand new when she and her family
Speaker 1: moved in a few years ago, and that she employed
Speaker 1: the cleaners in question to visit every fortnight and she
Speaker 1: was basically doing the upkeep in between. Now, things came
Speaker 1: to a head when Ash discovered that there was mold
Speaker 1: in her shower. She claimed that there was mold in
Speaker 1: the grout and that she was expecting the cleaners to
Speaker 1: get on their hands and knees and scrub. Now, her
Speaker 1: list of complaints didn't end there, because it appears that
Speaker 1: she was very dissatisfied with the way that they also
Speaker 1: mopped the flaws.
Speaker 2: Let's listen to what she said.
Speaker 4: It just lightly go over, like just wet the floor
Speaker 4: like that and mopped themselves out of the house. No
Speaker 4: mopping is like this, you know. And then that's what
Speaker 4: mopping is. It's not like out of the house just
Speaker 4: making it look wet. It's getting the shit off the flour.
Speaker 4: You need to be fucking breaking you back and sweating
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 2: I kind of get where she's coming from.
Speaker 1: I don't have a regular house cleaner, but I've used
Speaker 1: clean as before when I've done an end of lease
Speaker 1: clean and things are different in Adelaide because they expect
Speaker 1: the house to be spotless and sometimes you were paying
Speaker 1: a fuck ton of money to have them there, and
Speaker 1: you're sort of like, I probably could have done this
Speaker 1: better myself, but you can't expect these cleaners to come
Speaker 1: in every week and do an end of lease style.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely, it's meant to be upkep.
Speaker 1: Well, in this round, it was quite funny because Ash
Speaker 1: was taking her followers around her home and showing them
Speaker 1: the areas that she was dissatisfied with, and she discovered
Speaker 1: that the cleaners never picked up her furniture to clean underneath,
Speaker 1: and that they would just vacuum around. She also found
Speaker 1: dust on the skirting boards on top of her alcohol collection,
Speaker 1: and also on the base of her floor lamp and
Speaker 1: in between the tiles of her kitchen.
Speaker 2: Was it actually bad?
Speaker 1: Look it was dust. I don't know if if dusting
Speaker 1: was part of their contract or not. Now she declared
Speaker 1: that she doesn't want a speck of dust anywhere, and
Speaker 1: that she's invested in a feather duster now to eliminate
Speaker 1: that problem.
Speaker 2: What do you mean she didn't have one before?
Speaker 1: Well, no, and I think she assumes that her cleaners
Speaker 1: didn't own one either. Now she reiterated that she was
Speaker 1: aware that this is a first world problem and she
Speaker 1: wanted to make it clear that she really respects good cleaners,
Speaker 1: and she prefaced that she's a very good cleaner herself,
Speaker 1: but would prefer to outsource and not do it because
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to waste her time. Look, she's not
Speaker 1: doing a good job advertising her home for potential cleaners.
Speaker 1: No one is going to want to accept that job. Well,
Speaker 1: it's funny you say that, because one cleaning company clearly
Speaker 1: saw this as an opportunity to promote their services, and
Speaker 1: in response to Ash's rant, they created a real saying
Speaker 1: that they were up for the job and just as
Speaker 1: passionate about cleaning as her.
Speaker 2: Let's throw to what they.
Speaker 3: Said, Ash, you don't have any issue. Clean have an
Speaker 3: issue because cleaners clean. That's our job. But do you
Speaker 3: know what you need? You need SMK, You need Kylie
Speaker 3: or Cody to come and clean your home because I
Speaker 3: promise you there won't be no moldy ground. The standards
Speaker 3: and the expectation that you expect, we deliver every single time.
Speaker 3: So Kylie, do you think, baby?
Speaker 1: This is just giving me horrible flashbacks to when we
Speaker 1: rented this home and the owner had the most unrealistic
Speaker 1: expectations of how much we had to clean the house.
Speaker 1: Remember it was literally like we had wardrobes and she
Speaker 1: said that we had to polish the track where the
Speaker 1: wardrobes slid across.
Speaker 2: It was worse with the tiles.
Speaker 1: We had these white tiles and we were staying in
Speaker 1: a really beautiful house near the beach. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know how we lucked out on this place. This would
Speaker 1: have been like seven years ago when rent wasn't that
Speaker 1: there was three of us pay. Yeah, were three of
Speaker 1: us in there. But yeah, it had these beautiful, pristine
Speaker 1: white tiles and she literally had a manual on how
Speaker 1: to clean them. It was using floor polish. They expected
Speaker 1: as car sorry car polish, and they expected us again,
Speaker 1: like Ash said, to be on her hands and knees
Speaker 1: every day scrubbing. They even told us they're in order
Speaker 1: to keep up with the cleaning that they suggested that
Speaker 1: we have a full time cleaner come in. But I mean,
Speaker 1: as like in your twenties, who the fuck can afford that. See,
Speaker 1: I've never had a cleaner. I've always done my own cleaning,
Speaker 1: as I think most people probably listening to this have done.
Speaker 1: I would feel really uncomfortable having a cleaner come in
Speaker 1: because I would feel like I had to clean before
Speaker 1: they came in because they'd be judging me.
Speaker 2: Well, my friend, she has a fantastic cleaner.
Speaker 1: And this is someone who we actually got in for
Speaker 1: that least clean to fix a few things up, and
Speaker 1: she was so cheap. Like my friend said, she actually
Speaker 1: feels terrible and like she's extorting them because it's ridiculously cheap.
Speaker 2: You do have top people are get to email me asking.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know from any listeners whether you have been
Speaker 1: fired from someone else providing you a service where you
Speaker 1: really should have done the firing yourself. We'll put up
Speaker 1: a thread in our Facebook community. Argentinian police have raided
Speaker 1: the hotel where One Direction singer Liam Payne died after
Speaker 1: falling from his third fort balcony. Hard drives and hotel
Speaker 1: camera footage was seized from Cassis sir as well as
Speaker 1: registration books. Now, interestingly, police are looking for new intel
Speaker 1: about the hotel staffers working on the day of Liam's death,
Speaker 1: and Liam's father Jeff, as well as Liam's bodyguard Paul Higgins,
Speaker 1: have been assisting police in reviewing security vision at the hotel,
Speaker 1: with Liam's security guard also seen.
Speaker 2: Questioning several staff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now this raid comes after unverified reports that hotel cameras
Speaker 1: allegedly stopped working one hour before Liam's death, which is
Speaker 1: very suspicious. Now, Jeff was informed last week that Liam's
Speaker 1: body must stay in Argentina until all reports are finished.
Speaker 1: Now this could take some time as they are now
Speaker 1: reviewing computer data and also security vision, so it must
Speaker 1: be such a terribly long wait for his family. Now,
Speaker 1: following the initial toxicology reports, which we discussed on Tuesday's show.
Speaker 1: It's since been reported that Liam had drugs, including pink
Speaker 1: cocaine in his system at the time of death. Now,
Speaker 1: this party drug usually indicates a combination of MDMA ketamine
Speaker 1: and meth and fetamine, which is not a good mix of.
Speaker 2: Drugs to me.
Speaker 1: But despite that report, one Argentinian fan is adamant that
Speaker 1: Liam was not under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
Speaker 2: Is this a TikToker?
Speaker 1: No, So she was actually interviewed by an Argentinian TV
Speaker 1: show and she met Liam on the day of his death.
Speaker 1: So her name is Diana, and her and her friends
Speaker 1: were waiting at Hotel Casas Sue in the hope of
Speaker 1: meeting Lim. So they arrived at nine to thirty am
Speaker 1: and they finally got to meet Liam when he came
Speaker 1: down to.
Speaker 2: The hotel lobby at three o'clock.
Speaker 1: So he said he had just read recently woken up
Speaker 1: and came down to see them. Now they said he
Speaker 1: was alone and didn't have his bodyguard there.
Speaker 2: So Liam chatted to.
Speaker 1: The group of girls for fifteen minutes and Dianna rejected
Speaker 1: claims that he was under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
Speaker 1: She said he was healthy and talkative. She also said
Speaker 1: he was speaking really eloquently and he was very calm
Speaker 1: and grateful that they were there. She also said that
Speaker 1: Liam spoke about being in awe of the beauty of Argentina,
Speaker 1: how he was very happy to be there, and he
Speaker 1: even wanted to move there, so he was talking about
Speaker 1: future plans. Now. Deiana then told Liam that another friend
Speaker 1: of theirs was heading to the hotel and she had
Speaker 1: a present for him, and Liam explained that he was
Speaker 1: going to head back up to get something to eat,
Speaker 1: but would come back down later to meet their friend
Speaker 1: and receive the gift. Now, so that was at three
Speaker 1: pm when they met him, So he died at five pm, so,
Speaker 1: she said. An hour or so passed and they started
Speaker 1: seeing weird movements within the hotel. So Deianna said she
Speaker 1: saw guests running and police officers and ambulances arrive, and
Speaker 1: someone in authority asked them who they were waiting for,
Speaker 1: and she said Liam Payne. They then spoke to hotel
Speaker 1: staff who said that someone had jumped off a balcony,
Speaker 1: but they didn't say that it was Liam. Now the
Speaker 1: interviewer asked Siana if she had seen Liam being destructive
Speaker 1: in the hotel lobby or causing a scene, and she
Speaker 1: said no. She also claims she never saw the alleged
Speaker 1: sex workers in the lobby and never saw him arguing
Speaker 1: over money, which is really odd because there's been so
Speaker 1: many eyewitness accounts which say very different things occurred. It's
Speaker 1: not really so many eyewitness accounts. It was really the
Speaker 1: one main American guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was him. And again I'm probably.
Speaker 1: Buying into too many TikTok conspiracy theories, but there is
Speaker 1: a theory going around that he is a crisis actor.
Speaker 1: Now those are just allegations, but I just want to
Speaker 1: reiterate that it's very interesting that Diana and her group
Speaker 1: of friends had been waiting there since nine thirty. They
Speaker 1: have been like when you I have been before to
Speaker 1: hotels waiting for celebrities, you pick up on everything.
Speaker 2: That is happening. It was actually in the four of
Speaker 2: the whole time. I think they were drifting in and out.
Speaker 1: But the thing that doesn't make sense is if he
Speaker 1: told them that he got up at three pm, all
Speaker 1: of the sex worker stuff was happening earlier in the day.
Speaker 1: I mean, again, he's hardly going to tell his fans,
Speaker 1: I just had two sex workers.
Speaker 2: I just think TikTok can get.
Speaker 1: Out of control with conspiracy theories. We saw it with
Speaker 1: the Kate Middleton drama.
Speaker 2: It just is concerning.
Speaker 1: I mean, until police come out and actually give conclusive
Speaker 1: evidence around what has occurred, it's just going to continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the thing for me where I just felt
Speaker 1: like there might be some validity to what this fan
Speaker 1: was saying is because when he was trying to get
Speaker 1: his US visa through, he had to undergo a lot
Speaker 1: of psychological tests and drug testing and he was clean
Speaker 1: at the time. So that's why I just find this
Speaker 1: new eyewitness account very interesting. Yeah, but I think everyone
Speaker 1: needs to be really careful because there are so many
Speaker 1: crazy rumors circulating. I mean, just over the weekend, there
Speaker 1: was a rumor that Liam's ex Maya Henry, who filed
Speaker 1: the season desist letter against Liam, was staying at the
Speaker 1: same hotel.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She has since come out and said that she has
Speaker 1: never ever visited Argentina and that it's completely far fetched.
Speaker 1: But this is the concern with TikTok, that there are
Speaker 1: so many citizen journalists out there that are putting out
Speaker 1: all of this crap. And if it goes viral, people
Speaker 1: just start believing. But I think the other concern is
Speaker 1: whilst I think that there are some crazy rumors, I
Speaker 1: think there are also a lot of unanswered questions. And
Speaker 1: despite there being so many eyeballs on Liam in the foyer,
Speaker 1: there was still no vision of him smashing his laptop
Speaker 1: or acting erratically. But there were so many photos of him,
Speaker 1: but we never actually saw the vision of him acting erratically.
Speaker 1: We only saw him being lovely and welcoming to fans.
Speaker 2: That's I don't know.
Speaker 1: For me, I just feel like there is more to
Speaker 1: this story, and more is going to come out the
Speaker 1: fact that his father is getting involved in the invent
Speaker 1: stigation as well, it's clear that he probably doesn't entirely
Speaker 1: trust the process. Well, there's just so many unanswered questions
Speaker 1: right now. Well, on that note, I think that is
Speaker 1: all we have time for today. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us for another episode of Outspoken.
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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the
Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes.
Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present.
Speaker 1: And sorry for those expecting all three of us to
Speaker 1: return today. Kate tried to be involved in the recording remotely,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately the technology.
Speaker 2: Wasn't on her side.
Speaker 1: It was going in and out so so far, I
Speaker 1: just had to record this together, but hopefully Kate will
Speaker 1: be back later.
Speaker 2: In the week.
Speaker 1: We do appreciate her contribution to the notes for this
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