WEBVTT - The 'Mystery' Brunette 

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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<v Speaker 1>hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Torba and coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day

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<v Speaker 1>gives birth to.

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<v Speaker 2>Baby number three.

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<v Speaker 1>Ashpollard rages about being fired by her house cleaners, and

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<v Speaker 1>Liam Payne's Argentinian hotel is raided by police following his death.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, Matt Zakowski has been forced to deny flirting

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<v Speaker 1>with a mystery brunette during a paid trip to Sydney. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this all took place while his fiance, Tammy Hembro, was

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<v Speaker 1>at a much publicized retreat in Greece. These fresh claims

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<v Speaker 1>come off the back of an explosive podcast expose into

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<v Speaker 1>Matt's previous relationship with his ex girlfriend Jen.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, so if you all want to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Into these fresh allegations, because a series of photos of

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<v Speaker 1>Matt talking to a brunette woman in a pub surfaced

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<v Speaker 1>on Reddit, of all places, and this story was quickly

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<v Speaker 1>picked up by The Daily Male, who round with the

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<v Speaker 1>headline Matt Zikowski spotted chatting up a mystery brunette in

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney after boozy private jet flight while Tammy Hembro.

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<v Speaker 2>Is away in Greece.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's photos when published by The Daily Mail, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>look great. But in his defense, when you dig a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit deeper into the story, it's not what it

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<v Speaker 1>appears to be because he was in Sydney for a

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<v Speaker 1>brand trip with a private jet company and he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>disclose the partnership, which has led to a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>confusion because people were thinking that he and his friends

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<v Speaker 1>hired this private jet when an actual fact, the company

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<v Speaker 1>paid for him and a bunch of influences to be

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<v Speaker 1>taken on this private jet and they actually ended up

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<v Speaker 1>thanking him for joining them on the trip. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>this brand flew twelve creators to Sydney for an exclusive

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday night escape and the group partied at a cocktail

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<v Speaker 1>bar on Harrington Street. Now The Daily Mail initially tried

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<v Speaker 1>to push the rhetoric that Matt was chatting up a

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<v Speaker 1>random woman at the bar, but it turns out the

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<v Speaker 1>woman pictured was model Amy Jekovic, who was part of

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<v Speaker 1>this paid trip. And photos also emerged of Matt talking

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<v Speaker 1>to another mystery woman, this time a blonde woman, and

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<v Speaker 1>that person turned out to be influencer Lexi Mary, who

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<v Speaker 1>has over ten thousand followers on Instagram. She was also

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<v Speaker 1>part of the trip, so Matt's crime is that he

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<v Speaker 1>was seen chatting to other creators who were also on

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<v Speaker 1>this paid trip. Now, following all of the media reports,

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<v Speaker 1>an Instagram page called Reese and London ain't shit so

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<v Speaker 1>clearly a big tammy hemo fan, she reshared the photos

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<v Speaker 1>and leveled cheating allegations at Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you assume the account owner is a she.

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<v Speaker 1>He would bet probably a lot of my money that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a woman who was running this account. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>They also claimed that Matt wasn't wearing his wedding ring,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're not married, yeah, men, I mean we actually

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<v Speaker 1>our friend, one of our friends, she got engaged really young,

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<v Speaker 1>and her partner did wear an engagement ring. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>not common practice for men to wear engagement rings and

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<v Speaker 1>they're not yet married, so of course he's not wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a wedding band. They should have to wear engagement rings

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean, it's kind they nice, like you want

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<v Speaker 1>to show that you're at a committed relationship with your partner. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The Instagram account in question shared a photo dump of

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<v Speaker 1>the images of Matt talking to a number of different

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<v Speaker 1>women and also bizarre video footage and wrote Tammy goes

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<v Speaker 1>on an all girls trip. So Matt decides to go

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<v Speaker 1>on a private plane to another destination and drink alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>with some guys and a bunch of random girls that

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't know. One girl set up her camera to

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<v Speaker 1>film the night, and luckily Matt wasn't aware of the camera,

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<v Speaker 1>so he was caught flirting with two girls and even

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<v Speaker 1>got his phone out to show the blonde something. Matt

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<v Speaker 1>and the blonde girl were way too comfortable with each other,

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<v Speaker 1>considering he's taken and they just met. Matt kept talking

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<v Speaker 1>to the light brunette and the blonde, but at different times.

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<v Speaker 1>It's insane that Matt was caught messaging a girl behind

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<v Speaker 1>Tammy's back and tried to blame the alcohol, but here

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<v Speaker 1>he is drinking alcohol and talking to multiple women he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know. Matt tried to make it look like he

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<v Speaker 1>was just hanging out with the guys and his stories

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<v Speaker 1>and Instagram posts after the trip, he even played games

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<v Speaker 1>with the girls and didn't want to post about it

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<v Speaker 1>under why crying Face. What was bizarre about the post

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<v Speaker 1>was the vision that was included almost looked like a

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance camera. I think, yeah, it looked like it had

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<v Speaker 1>been taken from the restaurant or bar CCTV. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was maybe someone sold it off and thought, fuck, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>sell this to the Daily Mail and make a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money from her. It was hardly damning. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>he was talking to the girls who were part of

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<v Speaker 1>the tree. Everyone knows that you can create a story

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<v Speaker 1>around videos and photos that you get. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't look great, especially off the back of this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast expos from so dramatic that we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>get into a bit later. But Matt actually responded to

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<v Speaker 1>this Instagram page, which is quite rare because there's been

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<v Speaker 1>bigger allegations made against Matt which he has not responded

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<v Speaker 1>to publicly. So he wrote, I don't normally comment on

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, but I thought i'd jump in here. They

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<v Speaker 1>are my mates and we have the same management, so

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<v Speaker 1>we have met at many events before. They are engaged

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and we were talking about wedding prep and

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<v Speaker 1>comparing our engagements. In the Mold Dives, I was involved

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<v Speaker 1>always say mal Dives. Oh sorry I've been watching I've

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<v Speaker 1>been listening to too much Staffron Bar. Anyway, I continue

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<v Speaker 1>I was invited to this event weeks ago and would

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<v Speaker 1>have gone whether my fiance was in Australia or not.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys need to get alive. Seriously, It's so strange

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<v Speaker 1>how obsessed you are with people you have never met

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<v Speaker 1>and know only from social media. Also, you know the

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<v Speaker 1>man gets a wedding band after the marriage. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>us don't wear engagement rings. I kind of like that

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<v Speaker 1>Matt rebutted these claims and explained the situation, because as

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<v Speaker 1>much as I feel like he is a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a shady character, he has been copying a lot of shit,

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<v Speaker 1>like a barrage of shit, to the point where it

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<v Speaker 1>feel like everyone is against you and your relationship, and

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<v Speaker 1>you probably feel like everyone wants this to fail right

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<v Speaker 1>before the wedding because obviously this is Tammy's third engagement.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone has this theory that she's not going to walk

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<v Speaker 1>down the aisle.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't want it ruined? I would like to we

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<v Speaker 2>walked down the aisle selfishly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the only issue with Matt responding is now

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<v Speaker 1>he's set this precedence. So in terms of this story,

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<v Speaker 1>I think anyone can kind of read between the lines

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<v Speaker 1>and see that it was a bit of bullshit and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why he's come out in defense of it. But

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<v Speaker 1>he hasn't come out in defense of these recent claims

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<v Speaker 1>made by so dramatic. So let's get into those now,

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<v Speaker 1>Meg and pisetto she clearly did her research because she

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<v Speaker 1>found out some very juicy details from Matt's ex girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>Jen's friends and akadg probably just Jen herself in her

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<v Speaker 1>friend that accounts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so these details.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't paint Matt very well and it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>a hard listen for Tammy. Now it really didn't miss

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<v Speaker 1>a beat this podcast episode. It dives straight into when

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<v Speaker 1>Matt and Jen broke up, and Matt claimed in his

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that the reason behind the split was due to

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<v Speaker 1>his infertility. However, Jen's friends claim that they broke up

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<v Speaker 1>because Matt went behind Jen's back and auditioned for.

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<v Speaker 2>Love Island UK.

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<v Speaker 1>This actually makes sense as a massive fan of Love

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<v Speaker 1>Island UK. There was a series I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>last year or the year before where they had two

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<v Speaker 1>Australian contestants. It was Jesse, I can't remember the guy's name,

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<v Speaker 1>so obviously they were auditioning for Australian Love Island contestants.

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<v Speaker 1>With such a huge opportunity as well to appear on

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<v Speaker 1>Love Island UK. I mean, we know the exposure that

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<v Speaker 1>that show gets, it's shown in the US. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be a huge career move for Matt to appear on there.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jesse has blown up.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I love her content with Farmer Wheel, but the

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<v Speaker 1>only issue is if you've got a girlfriend, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't quite work. It's gonna come out and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>look like a total dick.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The allegations got worse because they also included Matt's co

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<v Speaker 1>host Anna McAvoy, so she's been dragged into the drama.

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<v Speaker 1>It's claimed that she encouraged Matt to audition for the

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<v Speaker 1>show behind Jen's back because she allegedly thought it would

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<v Speaker 1>help benefit their podcast. She's not wrong, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>greatly benefited their podcast. Look, maybe she knew that Jen

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<v Speaker 1>and Matt were on the Rocks and thought, oh fuck

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<v Speaker 1>it just dumb heer, so we can get this opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like Anna is a bit of a Bambi character,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I feel a bit sorry for her, But still

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<v Speaker 1>if your Jen, you would be like you would feel

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<v Speaker 1>so betrayed because I feel like you do develop a

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<v Speaker 1>special friendship with your partner's girlfriends like, yeah, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem right, but perhaps Anna was being sold a different story.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Matt was saying, well, actually, Jen's really keen on it.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't care that I'm going to go in there.

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<v Speaker 1>She knows it's for my career now. The other major

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<v Speaker 1>bombshell from this episode was that Matt was allegedly still

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<v Speaker 1>with Jen whilst he started dating Tammy hembro So, Jen's

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<v Speaker 1>friend alleged that the former couple had agreed on being

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive and we're even starting a dashound business together.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this ties into your theory from the other week,

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<v Speaker 2>thank cute.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we remember back to that grand unfollowing that

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<v Speaker 1>happened right before their joint Hucks party, Matt was posting

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<v Speaker 1>at this random marketplace and he put up a photo

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<v Speaker 1>of a dashhound stall like it was a specialty dash

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<v Speaker 1>hand stall, and I thought it was very strange because

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<v Speaker 1>he had previously posted a lot of content with Jen,

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<v Speaker 1>his ex girlfriend's dog, and about how this dog was

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<v Speaker 1>his whole life. And it's even weirder now that Megan

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<v Speaker 1>has revealed that he was actually starting up a dashhound

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<v Speaker 1>business with Jen. Well, the allegations get even worse because

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<v Speaker 1>the date of Tammy and Matt's anniversary is the same

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<v Speaker 1>date as Jen's birthday. And why this matters is because

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<v Speaker 1>this year, Matt and Jen allegedly celebrated her birthday together

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<v Speaker 1>with a staycation at a hotel. Side note, it's claimed

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<v Speaker 1>that Jen paid for the hotel room as well, so

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<v Speaker 1>there were a few subtle jibes that basically Matt is

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<v Speaker 1>a stingebag and Jen was apparently livid when the first

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<v Speaker 1>photos broke of Tammy and Matt together at a hotel

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<v Speaker 1>and if you remember, people weren't sure who she was

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<v Speaker 1>with because the photos were really blurry, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>t time, Matt allegedly told his friends that he was

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<v Speaker 1>still in love with Jen, but dating Tammy would be good.

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<v Speaker 2>For his career.

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<v Speaker 1>Something that was touched on during this podcast is that

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<v Speaker 1>fame seems to be a big motivator for Matt because

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<v Speaker 1>he has been accused of only dating his former partner

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<v Speaker 1>Kira Maguire, who was on The Bachelor for the same reason,

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<v Speaker 1>and also obviously the fact that he wanted to go

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<v Speaker 1>on Love Ireland to further his career. Well. Meagan also

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<v Speaker 1>points it out that Matt has been quite vocal about

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<v Speaker 1>what his type is, which is a brunette woman with

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<v Speaker 1>big boobs. Well, this was backed up by a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of upsots from his podcast where he talked about loving

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<v Speaker 1>brunette women obviously with big boobs. All it made me

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<v Speaker 1>think about was the fact that Tammy Henbroy recently got

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<v Speaker 1>even larger breasting plants put in yeah, well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you thought things couldn't get any worse. Matt was

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<v Speaker 1>also accused of being a serial cheat, so Jen's friends

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<v Speaker 1>claimed he cheated on Jen multiple times and that when

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<v Speaker 1>he was caught out, he apparently used the same excuse

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<v Speaker 1>he did on Tammy back in March, that he was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to wing man his friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the reason why.

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<v Speaker 1>Jen's friends have spoken out and not Jen herself is

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly because Matt has threatened to sue Jen for defamation

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<v Speaker 1>if she does so. I mean, these pretty big claims,

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<v Speaker 1>and someone like Megan, she always has receipts, so I

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<v Speaker 1>think she can confidently back up these claims that she's made.

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<v Speaker 1>I also enjoyed the fact that Megan debunked Matt's claims

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<v Speaker 1>that he didn't know who Tammy Hembro was before he

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<v Speaker 1>slid into her DMS and asked her to attend his

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<v Speaker 1>podcast live show, so she dug up an old podcast

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<v Speaker 1>interview where Matt and Anna interviewed a guy called Chase.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was a boxer, and during that interview,

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<v Speaker 1>Chase spoke about his plans to slide into Tammy's DMS

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<v Speaker 1>and spoke about how beneficial it would be to date her.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe this is where Matt got a few ideas. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just very, very awkward. I was loving this podcast interview

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<v Speaker 1>because it was one I listened and my mouth was

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<v Speaker 1>a jar the whole time. I wrung my mum and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Mum, you need to listen to this because

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<v Speaker 1>she loves all the juicy influencer drama.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it goes into so much detail.

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<v Speaker 1>So I highly recommend going and listening to the full

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<v Speaker 1>episode if you are as invested as we are in

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<v Speaker 1>the Matt and Tammy drama. And Megan Pistetto did go

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<v Speaker 1>to Anna McAvoy four comment. Tammy and Matt are yet

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<v Speaker 1>to respond to the claims, but Anna responded saying she

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<v Speaker 1>denied she bullied Jen and confirmed that Matt and Jen

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<v Speaker 1>were broken up when he started dating Tammy. Interestingly, she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't respond to the allegations that Matt applied for Love

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<v Speaker 1>Island UK. I've obviously had a gorgeous third baby boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah's Day has given birth to her third baby boy,

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<v Speaker 1>now Sophy. Despite months of Sarah dropping baby name clues,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of her followers were surprised by the name.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah Well. On Friday, Sarah announced that her third son's

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<v Speaker 1>name is Harlow Judah Tills and I was pleasantly surprised

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<v Speaker 1>because I've always been a fan of this name. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember first hearing it back in I think two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and seven when Nicole Richie and Joel Madden had their

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<v Speaker 1>baby girl called Harlow, and then everybody started calling their

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<v Speaker 1>daughters Harlow. Fun fact, our beautiful gray kitten at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>called Louley. We gave her the middle name Harlow, so

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<v Speaker 1>I've always had a soft spot for it. I was

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<v Speaker 1>surprised to hear, though, that this is a gender neutral name,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've always thought of it as a girl's name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah same.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I've ever met a boy that's called Harlow,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't see why it can't be a boy's

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<v Speaker 1>name either. But fun fact, Sarah's Day is a massive

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole Richie fan, so I wonder if that had any

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<v Speaker 1>sway over the name. The first thing I thought as

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<v Speaker 1>well when I saw the name was hold on, how

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<v Speaker 1>did this play into those clues? But influencer updates did

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<v Speaker 1>the heavy lifting for us. So if you remember, the

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<v Speaker 1>clue for the first name was someone saluting and also

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<v Speaker 1>a heel.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you look up the meaning.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the name Harlow, it says Harlow is a gender

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<v Speaker 1>neutral name of English origin meaning army hill. The badass

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<v Speaker 1>baby name is sure to instill strength and confidence in

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<v Speaker 1>its wearing, so Army the sloating sign hill obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>hill emoji.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm surprised more people didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's been so much talk as well about this

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<v Speaker 1>being Sarah's third boy and how she really wanted a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>So I also thought when I saw the name, has

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<v Speaker 1>she just gone fuck it? I wanted Harlow for a

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<v Speaker 1>girl's name. I'm not getting a girl, So this boy

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be my Harlow potentially. How do you think Fox,

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<v Speaker 1>Malachi and Harlow will go together? Look, I think Harlow's

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<v Speaker 1>a good addition. It's not offensive it's a cute name.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably one of the more normal names in that

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<v Speaker 1>selection boys names. Yeah, it's interesting because we put up

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<v Speaker 1>a post on Friday about the name, and quite a

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<v Speaker 1>few listeners were writing in saying, oh, my child.

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<v Speaker 2>Is called Harlow.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is unusual for Sarah to have a name

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<v Speaker 1>that is I wouldn't call it a common name. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Judah isn't either. That's a trend we're saying at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at Justin and Hailey Bieber, they had

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Blues, so they're going for more of a normal name,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of out their middle name.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week, we recorded our episode a little bit early,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kate and I were making some predictions about how

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah would share her labor news to social media. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say that I was correct, because Kate thought

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<v Speaker 1>that Sarah was going to be sharing a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>live tiktoks and updates, similar to what Indy Clinton did.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that she just put up one sort of

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram story teasing that she was going into labor, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what she did. So on Wednesday, she posted some

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<v Speaker 1>polaroid photos to her Instagram story. So there were three photos,

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<v Speaker 1>one of them was Sarah sitting on a pregnancy ball,

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<v Speaker 1>the other was her at home leaning over the couch

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<v Speaker 1>whilst her mum was stroking her back, obviously in pain.

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<v Speaker 1>And the third was a picture of Malachi and Fox

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<v Speaker 1>and she wrote, and so it began.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone posted this to our Facebook community, and there were

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of questions around the tents that she used,

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<v Speaker 1>because people were saying, so, does this mean she's already

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<v Speaker 1>given birth or is it just the incorrect use of

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<v Speaker 1>the word began?

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<v Speaker 2>Should have she said it.

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<v Speaker 1>Begins Sarah had Sarah's had a bad habit in the

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<v Speaker 1>past of using the wrong tenses.

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<v Speaker 2>So people were convinced.

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<v Speaker 1>I took it as in, she's had the baby and

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<v Speaker 1>she's now teasing us and we'll find out in a

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<v Speaker 1>few days.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it funny? Because if you think.

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<v Speaker 1>About your friendship group or people you know, anytime someone

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<v Speaker 1>has a baby, they just go quiet on socials for

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<v Speaker 1>a few days, and then you see the announcement. They

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<v Speaker 1>never say just at the hospital, like checking in, like

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knows they're about to give birth. What through a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people is that Sarah uploaded a video to

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<v Speaker 1>her YouTube channel where she was packing a hospital bag,

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<v Speaker 1>and she later said that she was actually going into

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<v Speaker 1>labor when that video was posted, and I think she

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<v Speaker 1>probably thought, fuck, I've got to get my pregnancy content

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<v Speaker 1>out there because no one's going to be interested in it.

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<v Speaker 2>After the fact.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Sarah's husband Kurt managed to ruin some of the

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<v Speaker 1>mystery surrounding whether Sarah was actually in labor that day

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<v Speaker 1>because he shared a very rare Instagram story and it

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<v Speaker 1>was him taking his kids out for a walk and

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<v Speaker 1>one of them was in Mitch Orvil's Tiny Trucks branded truck. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the week prior, he did a big unboxing of this

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<v Speaker 1>truck and he showed him making it and how much

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<v Speaker 1>the kids were enjoying it, and he was saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my great friend Mitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Has given this to us.

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<v Speaker 1>But he didn't actually put like paid partnership or gifted

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that, and it was very misleading. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah revealed that she actually went into labor on Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>but she chose to announce her new baby's arrival on

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<v Speaker 1>the Thursday, so she shared a photo on Instagram of

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<v Speaker 1>her family holding hands together and wrote, and just like that,

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<v Speaker 1>the long awaited three boys were created. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>the Blue Tick Brigade were out in force, leaving their

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<v Speaker 1>messages of congratulations, including Indy Clinton, M Davies, L Swift,

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch Orvil, and Steph kles Smith. I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>Steph kless Smith and Sarah even knew each other. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't live in the same state. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a thing of everyone in the industry feels like

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<v Speaker 1>they know each other and to throw their support out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Sarah's going to pop up on Steph's podcast soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really think that they share the same ideology

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<v Speaker 1>about health and fitness, so I don't know if we

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<v Speaker 1>see her on the Kick Pod anytime soon. It's quite

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because Sarah has been providing some updates about how

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<v Speaker 1>newborn life is going on an Instagram story, and I

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<v Speaker 1>saw one over the weekend where she explained that for

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<v Speaker 1>the past four days she has been cluster feeding overnight,

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<v Speaker 1>which has meant that she has been feeding for seven

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<v Speaker 1>hours straight overnight. Oh. I felt so sorry for her.

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<v Speaker 1>She looked pretty good considering she'd been up all night.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've got to say, Harlow is a gorgeous looking baby.

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<v Speaker 1>He looks a lot like Fox. Yeah, he really does.

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<v Speaker 1>And He weighed in at two point eight kilos, and

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah gave some insights into his berth. She said it

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<v Speaker 1>was probably the best berth that she'd had. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>in the lead up she spoke about a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety she had leading into her labor, because she did

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<v Speaker 1>have two very unpleasant experiences when giving birth to Fox

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<v Speaker 1>at Malachi. But it sounded like this, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>Amy was the best labor out of the lot.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, whilst it did go.

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<v Speaker 1>For a long time, the actual pushing time didn't long

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<v Speaker 1>and it came out very quickly. We are going to

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<v Speaker 1>see that in her labor vlog. I don't know when

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<v Speaker 1>that will come out, she says. She hasn't had an opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously to even look back at the vision yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's only been a few days.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked how real Sarah has been about the birth

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<v Speaker 1>of a third child, because she's showed herself wearing an

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<v Speaker 1>adult nappy. She hasn't made it look entirely glamorous. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just relatable, hideous, to be honest, because as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>like seven hours of feeding and constant cluster feeding, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds awful. I think a lot of people were surprised

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<v Speaker 1>to find out that Sarah gave birth in a public

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<v Speaker 1>hospital and she has for every one of her pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 1>I really like that because, I mean, the standard of

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<v Speaker 1>cover that you have to have to get into a

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<v Speaker 1>private hospital and how much it cost and the house

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<v Speaker 1>is like, it's not just if you have the top

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare that you walk.

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<v Speaker 2>In and they just deliver the baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes if you have to have, say a unplanned C section,

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<v Speaker 1>you get a bill of ten thousand dollars. It's crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and at the end of the day, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're in a private hospital and something goes wrong, you

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<v Speaker 1>get sent to a public ho Anyway, one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>stood out to me is that Sarah hasn't shown any

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<v Speaker 1>body checks yet. It is still good though it's still

0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.359
<v Speaker 1>early days, but I think it's a promising sign that.

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<v Speaker 1>Being said, she has been trying to sell us her

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<v Speaker 1>pregnancy ebooks, so it may come in the next.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple of weeks. Maybe I do have an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Former My Kitchen Rules contestant Ash Pollard has revealed she

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<v Speaker 1>was fired by her house cleaners for having unrealistic expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>In a ten minute rant, the thirty eight year old

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<v Speaker 1>confessed it's not the first time cleaners have pulled the

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<v Speaker 1>pin on their working relationship. Now, before we get into it,

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<v Speaker 1>so who is Ash Pollard. Well, she first appeared on

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<v Speaker 1>My Kitchen Rules back in twenty fifteen, and these were

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<v Speaker 1>really the glory days of the show when the whole

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<v Speaker 1>nation was captivated by the dinner parties and really brought

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<v Speaker 1>into the storylines. Yeah, because she and her partner Camilla,

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<v Speaker 1>who was her best friend, they were cast as the

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<v Speaker 1>outspoken villains on it. They got a lot of hate

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<v Speaker 1>during that series of Life Kitchen Rule.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the show was really.

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<v Speaker 1>Pushing that they were these Melbourne socialites who loved going

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<v Speaker 1>to the polo and the races. But it was quite

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<v Speaker 1>funny because viewers at home started referring to them as

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<v Speaker 1>cashed up bogans and they started saying that they spoke

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<v Speaker 1>like pro and Trude from Kath and Kim. But Ash

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<v Speaker 1>and Kimilla came out and said, if anything, we look

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<v Speaker 1>more like Kath and Kim. And like most reality TV villains,

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<v Speaker 1>they came out hard in the press saying, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>the show has portrayed us in a way that we

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<v Speaker 1>are not.

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<v Speaker 2>We weren't mean.

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<v Speaker 1>We just said things that were bad about the food.

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<v Speaker 1>For those who haven't seen the show, their comments were

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<v Speaker 1>so bad that people thought they were actually paid actors. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they thought that Ash was a paid actor because some

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<v Speaker 1>journo found some previous.

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<v Speaker 2>Work or ads that she'd been in.

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<v Speaker 1>What's so Folk Star now profile, Well, they always seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to come across Well, she hit out and said, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way I'm acting. That is all completely natural. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a weirdo. Now, since MKR, Ash has

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<v Speaker 1>appeared on Dancing with the Stars, I'm a Celeb and

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<v Speaker 1>also The Traders, and she even had her own breakfast

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<v Speaker 1>radio show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well she's been very successful since MKR and I think

0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:01.359
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of it had to do with her

0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.959
<v Speaker 1>appearance on i'mus Celeb, because she really was able to

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:08.480
<v Speaker 1>redeem herself on there. She showed another side of her personality. Yeah,

0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and now she's the mum of two girls called Clementine

0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:12.240
<v Speaker 1>and Claudette.

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<v Speaker 2>That just made me.

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<v Speaker 1>Laugh because she obviously has this reputation of being a

0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.800
<v Speaker 1>bit of a snob and those are very like snobby

0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.320
<v Speaker 1>social names. And she does a fair bit of influencing

0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:26.120
<v Speaker 1>work now and she's actually represented by Roxy Jusenko's Ministry

0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 1>of Talent. So she's got one hundred and twenty six

0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.480
<v Speaker 1>thousand followers exactly at the moment, So quite a good

0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:34.960
<v Speaker 1>following considering she was on a show almost ten years ago. Well,

0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:38.359
<v Speaker 1>this week, Ash made headlines by revealing she was fired

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<v Speaker 1>by her house cleaners. So in a ten minute rant

0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.320
<v Speaker 1>that she posted to Instagram, Ash explained that her cleaners

0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.160
<v Speaker 1>told her her standards were too high for their service

0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:50.080
<v Speaker 1>before pulling the pin on their working agreements.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>She chose not to name the cleaning company, but slammed

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<v Speaker 1>their service, saying no one wants to put in the

0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:58.800
<v Speaker 1>hard work these days. It was very Kimmy Kay esque

0:22:58.800 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 1>what she was saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's throw to a bit of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Just wondering is it possible to be fired by your

0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:14.320
<v Speaker 4>own employee? Because I just was. My cleaner fired me

0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:18.480
<v Speaker 4>as their client. Do you want to know why my

0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 4>cleaner said that my expectations were too high for their service?

0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 4>Maybe I do have an issue because I just keep

0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:31.880
<v Speaker 4>thinking it's them. Nah, it's not fucking me, it's them. Seriously,

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 4>what is wrong with people these days? People's standards are low?

0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:41.280
<v Speaker 4>People's people just have low standards or they're not willing

0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:42.480
<v Speaker 4>to put the fucking work in.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I feel like the problem sits with Ash because

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:48.000
<v Speaker 1>this isn't the first time that she's been fired.

0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Her previous cleaners.

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Also told her that she was expecting too much. I

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.359
<v Speaker 1>suspect she was paying through the nose for these cleaners

0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:58.200
<v Speaker 1>as well, because anyone who listens to the podcast and

0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:00.159
<v Speaker 1>runs a business, you will know there is something in

0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:03.840
<v Speaker 1>the industry called a dickhead tax, and these cleaners would

0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.480
<v Speaker 1>have added a dickhead tax to her cleaning. So yeah,

0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 1>she did actually confirm that they were being paid very well,

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 1>but she didn't specify the amount. She also said that

0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 1>her house was brand new when she and her family

0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 1>moved in a few years ago, and that she employed

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the cleaners in question to visit every fortnight and she

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:24.920
<v Speaker 1>was basically doing the upkeep in between. Now, things came

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.439
<v Speaker 1>to a head when Ash discovered that there was mold

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.679
<v Speaker 1>in her shower. She claimed that there was mold in

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 1>the grout and that she was expecting the cleaners to

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 1>get on their hands and knees and scrub. Now, her

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:39.199
<v Speaker 1>list of complaints didn't end there, because it appears that

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:42.399
<v Speaker 1>she was very dissatisfied with the way that they also

0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 1>mopped the flaws.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's listen to what she said.

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<v Speaker 4>It just lightly go over, like just wet the floor

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.520
<v Speaker 4>like that and mopped themselves out of the house. No

0:24:55.400 --> 0:25:00.640
<v Speaker 4>mopping is like this, you know. And then that's what

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.960
<v Speaker 4>mopping is. It's not like out of the house just

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:06.359
<v Speaker 4>making it look wet. It's getting the shit off the flour.

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:09.360
<v Speaker 4>You need to be fucking breaking you back and sweating

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:09.639
<v Speaker 4>for that.

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:13.000
<v Speaker 2>I kind of get where she's coming from.

0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a regular house cleaner, but I've used

0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 1>clean as before when I've done an end of lease

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.199
<v Speaker 1>clean and things are different in Adelaide because they expect

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the house to be spotless and sometimes you were paying

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.040
<v Speaker 1>a fuck ton of money to have them there, and

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:27.119
<v Speaker 1>you're sort of like, I probably could have done this

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:30.320
<v Speaker 1>better myself, but you can't expect these cleaners to come

0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 1>in every week and do an end of lease style.

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh definitely, it's meant to be upkep.

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, in this round, it was quite funny because Ash

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 1>was taking her followers around her home and showing them

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.119
<v Speaker 1>the areas that she was dissatisfied with, and she discovered

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 1>that the cleaners never picked up her furniture to clean underneath,

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:51.160
<v Speaker 1>and that they would just vacuum around. She also found

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:54.360
<v Speaker 1>dust on the skirting boards on top of her alcohol collection,

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.159
<v Speaker 1>and also on the base of her floor lamp and

0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:58.960
<v Speaker 1>in between the tiles of her kitchen.

0:25:59.160 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Was it actually bad?

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:03.119
<v Speaker 1>Look it was dust. I don't know if if dusting

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:05.680
<v Speaker 1>was part of their contract or not. Now she declared

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:08.119
<v Speaker 1>that she doesn't want a speck of dust anywhere, and

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 1>that she's invested in a feather duster now to eliminate

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>that problem.

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:13.919
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean she didn't have one before?

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, and I think she assumes that her cleaners

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.679
<v Speaker 1>didn't own one either. Now she reiterated that she was

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 1>aware that this is a first world problem and she

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 1>wanted to make it clear that she really respects good cleaners,

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.520
<v Speaker 1>and she prefaced that she's a very good cleaner herself,

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:31.399
<v Speaker 1>but would prefer to outsource and not do it because

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't want to waste her time. Look, she's not

0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 1>doing a good job advertising her home for potential cleaners.

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:40.439
<v Speaker 1>No one is going to want to accept that job. Well,

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 1>it's funny you say that, because one cleaning company clearly

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 1>saw this as an opportunity to promote their services, and

0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:49.880
<v Speaker 1>in response to Ash's rant, they created a real saying

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:51.960
<v Speaker 1>that they were up for the job and just as

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>passionate about cleaning as her.

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Let's throw to what they.

0:26:55.160 --> 0:27:00.399
<v Speaker 3>Said, Ash, you don't have any issue. Clean have an

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:07.440
<v Speaker 3>issue because cleaners clean. That's our job. But do you

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 3>know what you need? You need SMK, You need Kylie

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 3>or Cody to come and clean your home because I

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 3>promise you there won't be no moldy ground. The standards

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 3>and the expectation that you expect, we deliver every single time.

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 3>So Kylie, do you think, baby?

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 1>This is just giving me horrible flashbacks to when we

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>rented this home and the owner had the most unrealistic

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>expectations of how much we had to clean the house.

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Remember it was literally like we had wardrobes and she

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 1>said that we had to polish the track where the

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 1>wardrobes slid across.

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 2>It was worse with the tiles.

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>We had these white tiles and we were staying in

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:54.400
<v Speaker 1>a really beautiful house near the beach. Like, I don't

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 1>know how we lucked out on this place. This would

0:27:56.800 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>have been like seven years ago when rent wasn't that

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 1>there was three of us pay. Yeah, were three of

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>us in there. But yeah, it had these beautiful, pristine

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:08.120
<v Speaker 1>white tiles and she literally had a manual on how

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 1>to clean them. It was using floor polish. They expected

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 1>as car sorry car polish, and they expected us again,

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.200
<v Speaker 1>like Ash said, to be on her hands and knees

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:19.120
<v Speaker 1>every day scrubbing. They even told us they're in order

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>to keep up with the cleaning that they suggested that

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:24.400
<v Speaker 1>we have a full time cleaner come in. But I mean,

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.720
<v Speaker 1>as like in your twenties, who the fuck can afford that. See,

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:31.119
<v Speaker 1>I've never had a cleaner. I've always done my own cleaning,

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>as I think most people probably listening to this have done.

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I would feel really uncomfortable having a cleaner come in

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>because I would feel like I had to clean before

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 1>they came in because they'd be judging me.

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, my friend, she has a fantastic cleaner.

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 1>And this is someone who we actually got in for

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>that least clean to fix a few things up, and

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>she was so cheap. Like my friend said, she actually

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 1>feels terrible and like she's extorting them because it's ridiculously cheap.

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 2>You do have top people are get to email me asking.

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't know from any listeners whether you have been

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 1>fired from someone else providing you a service where you

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>really should have done the firing yourself. We'll put up

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>a thread in our Facebook community. Argentinian police have raided

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the hotel where One Direction singer Liam Payne died after

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 1>falling from his third fort balcony. Hard drives and hotel

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>camera footage was seized from Cassis sir as well as

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>registration books. Now, interestingly, police are looking for new intel

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>about the hotel staffers working on the day of Liam's death,

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>and Liam's father Jeff, as well as Liam's bodyguard Paul Higgins,

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>have been assisting police in reviewing security vision at the hotel,

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 1>with Liam's security guard also seen.

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Questioning several staff.

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Now this raid comes after unverified reports that hotel cameras

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>allegedly stopped working one hour before Liam's death, which is

0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>very suspicious. Now, Jeff was informed last week that Liam's

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>body must stay in Argentina until all reports are finished.

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Now this could take some time as they are now

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>reviewing computer data and also security vision, so it must

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 1>be such a terribly long wait for his family. Now,

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>following the initial toxicology reports, which we discussed on Tuesday's show.

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 1>It's since been reported that Liam had drugs, including pink

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 1>cocaine in his system at the time of death. Now,

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 1>this party drug usually indicates a combination of MDMA ketamine

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>and meth and fetamine, which is not a good mix of.

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Drugs to me.

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>But despite that report, one Argentinian fan is adamant that

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Liam was not under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Is this a TikToker?

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 1>No, So she was actually interviewed by an Argentinian TV

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 1>show and she met Liam on the day of his death.

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 1>So her name is Diana, and her and her friends

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>were waiting at Hotel Casas Sue in the hope of

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 1>meeting Lim. So they arrived at nine to thirty am

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and they finally got to meet Liam when he came

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 1>down to.

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 2>The hotel lobby at three o'clock.

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 1>So he said he had just read recently woken up

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>and came down to see them. Now they said he

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>was alone and didn't have his bodyguard there.

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 2>So Liam chatted to.

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>The group of girls for fifteen minutes and Dianna rejected

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 1>claims that he was under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 1>She said he was healthy and talkative. She also said

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>he was speaking really eloquently and he was very calm

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and grateful that they were there. She also said that

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Liam spoke about being in awe of the beauty of Argentina,

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 1>how he was very happy to be there, and he

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 1>even wanted to move there, so he was talking about

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>future plans. Now. Deiana then told Liam that another friend

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 1>of theirs was heading to the hotel and she had

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>a present for him, and Liam explained that he was

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>going to head back up to get something to eat,

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 1>but would come back down later to meet their friend

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 1>and receive the gift. Now, so that was at three

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>pm when they met him, So he died at five pm, so,

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>she said. An hour or so passed and they started

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>seeing weird movements within the hotel. So Deianna said she

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>saw guests running and police officers and ambulances arrive, and

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>someone in authority asked them who they were waiting for,

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 1>and she said Liam Payne. They then spoke to hotel

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>staff who said that someone had jumped off a balcony,

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>but they didn't say that it was Liam. Now the

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 1>interviewer asked Siana if she had seen Liam being destructive

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 1>in the hotel lobby or causing a scene, and she

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>said no. She also claims she never saw the alleged

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.760
<v Speaker 1>sex workers in the lobby and never saw him arguing

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>over money, which is really odd because there's been so

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 1>many eyewitness accounts which say very different things occurred. It's

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>not really so many eyewitness accounts. It was really the

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>one main American guy.

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was him. And again I'm probably.

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Buying into too many TikTok conspiracy theories, but there is

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 1>a theory going around that he is a crisis actor.

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Now those are just allegations, but I just want to

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>reiterate that it's very interesting that Diana and her group

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>of friends had been waiting there since nine thirty. They

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 1>have been like when you I have been before to

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 1>hotels waiting for celebrities, you pick up on everything.

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 2>That is happening. It was actually in the four of

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the whole time. I think they were drifting in and out.

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 1>But the thing that doesn't make sense is if he

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>told them that he got up at three pm, all

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 1>of the sex worker stuff was happening earlier in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, again, he's hardly going to tell his fans,

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<v Speaker 1>I just had two sex workers.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think TikTok can get.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of control with conspiracy theories. We saw it with

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<v Speaker 1>the Kate Middleton drama.

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<v Speaker 2>It just is concerning.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, until police come out and actually give conclusive

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<v Speaker 1>evidence around what has occurred, it's just going to continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the thing for me where I just felt

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<v Speaker 1>like there might be some validity to what this fan

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<v Speaker 1>was saying is because when he was trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>his US visa through, he had to undergo a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of psychological tests and drug testing and he was clean

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. So that's why I just find this

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<v Speaker 1>new eyewitness account very interesting. Yeah, but I think everyone

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be really careful because there are so many

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<v Speaker 1>crazy rumors circulating. I mean, just over the weekend, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a rumor that Liam's ex Maya Henry, who filed

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<v Speaker 1>the season desist letter against Liam, was staying at the

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<v Speaker 1>same hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She has since come out and said that she has

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<v Speaker 1>never ever visited Argentina and that it's completely far fetched.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is the concern with TikTok, that there are

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<v Speaker 1>so many citizen journalists out there that are putting out

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<v Speaker 1>all of this crap. And if it goes viral, people

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<v Speaker 1>just start believing. But I think the other concern is

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<v Speaker 1>whilst I think that there are some crazy rumors, I

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<v Speaker 1>think there are also a lot of unanswered questions. And

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<v Speaker 1>despite there being so many eyeballs on Liam in the foyer,

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<v Speaker 1>there was still no vision of him smashing his laptop

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<v Speaker 1>or acting erratically. But there were so many photos of him,

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<v Speaker 1>but we never actually saw the vision of him acting erratically.

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<v Speaker 1>We only saw him being lovely and welcoming to fans.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, I just feel like there is more to

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<v Speaker 1>this story, and more is going to come out the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that his father is getting involved in the invent

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<v Speaker 1>stigation as well, it's clear that he probably doesn't entirely

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<v Speaker 1>trust the process. Well, there's just so many unanswered questions

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Well, on that note, I think that is

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<v Speaker 1>all we have time for today. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us for another episode of Outspoken.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to con Sophie and Kay into testing out

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the

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<v Speaker 1>Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes.

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<v Speaker 2>We pay respect to elders past and present.

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<v Speaker 1>And sorry for those expecting all three of us to

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<v Speaker 1>return today. Kate tried to be involved in the recording remotely,

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<v Speaker 1>but unfortunately the technology.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't on her side.

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<v Speaker 1>It was going in and out so so far, I

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<v Speaker 1>just had to record this together, but hopefully Kate will

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<v Speaker 1>be back later.

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<v Speaker 2>In the week.

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<v Speaker 1>We do appreciate her contribution to the notes for this

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