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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Amy Torba and coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day

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Speaker 1: gives birth to.

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Speaker 2: Baby number three.

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Speaker 1: Ashpollard rages about being fired by her house cleaners, and

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Speaker 1: Liam Payne's Argentinian hotel is raided by police following his death.

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Speaker 1: But first, Matt Zakowski has been forced to deny flirting

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Speaker 1: with a mystery brunette during a paid trip to Sydney. Now,

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Speaker 1: this all took place while his fiance, Tammy Hembro, was

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Speaker 1: at a much publicized retreat in Greece. These fresh claims

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Speaker 1: come off the back of an explosive podcast expose into

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Speaker 1: Matt's previous relationship with his ex girlfriend Jen.

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Speaker 2: Now, so if you all want to get.

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Speaker 1: Into these fresh allegations, because a series of photos of

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Speaker 1: Matt talking to a brunette woman in a pub surfaced

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Speaker 1: on Reddit, of all places, and this story was quickly

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Speaker 1: picked up by The Daily Male, who round with the

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Speaker 1: headline Matt Zikowski spotted chatting up a mystery brunette in

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Speaker 1: Sydney after boozy private jet flight while Tammy Hembro.

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Speaker 2: Is away in Greece.

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Speaker 1: Now there's photos when published by The Daily Mail, didn't

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Speaker 1: look great. But in his defense, when you dig a

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Speaker 1: little bit deeper into the story, it's not what it

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Speaker 1: appears to be because he was in Sydney for a

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Speaker 1: brand trip with a private jet company and he didn't

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Speaker 1: disclose the partnership, which has led to a bit of

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Speaker 1: confusion because people were thinking that he and his friends

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Speaker 1: hired this private jet when an actual fact, the company

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Speaker 1: paid for him and a bunch of influences to be

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Speaker 1: taken on this private jet and they actually ended up

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Speaker 1: thanking him for joining them on the trip. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: this brand flew twelve creators to Sydney for an exclusive

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Speaker 1: Thursday night escape and the group partied at a cocktail

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Speaker 1: bar on Harrington Street. Now The Daily Mail initially tried

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Speaker 1: to push the rhetoric that Matt was chatting up a

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Speaker 1: random woman at the bar, but it turns out the

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Speaker 1: woman pictured was model Amy Jekovic, who was part of

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Speaker 1: this paid trip. And photos also emerged of Matt talking

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Speaker 1: to another mystery woman, this time a blonde woman, and

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Speaker 1: that person turned out to be influencer Lexi Mary, who

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Speaker 1: has over ten thousand followers on Instagram. She was also

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Speaker 1: part of the trip, so Matt's crime is that he

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Speaker 1: was seen chatting to other creators who were also on

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Speaker 1: this paid trip. Now, following all of the media reports,

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Speaker 1: an Instagram page called Reese and London ain't shit so

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Speaker 1: clearly a big tammy hemo fan, she reshared the photos

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Speaker 1: and leveled cheating allegations at Matt.

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Speaker 2: I love that you assume the account owner is a she.

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Speaker 1: He would bet probably a lot of my money that

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Speaker 1: this is a woman who was running this account. Now.

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Speaker 1: They also claimed that Matt wasn't wearing his wedding ring,

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Speaker 1: but they're not married, yeah, men, I mean we actually

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Speaker 1: our friend, one of our friends, she got engaged really young,

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Speaker 1: and her partner did wear an engagement ring. But it's

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Speaker 1: not common practice for men to wear engagement rings and

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Speaker 1: they're not yet married, so of course he's not wearing

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Speaker 1: a wedding band. They should have to wear engagement rings

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Speaker 1: because I mean, it's kind they nice, like you want

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Speaker 1: to show that you're at a committed relationship with your partner. Now.

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Speaker 1: The Instagram account in question shared a photo dump of

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Speaker 1: the images of Matt talking to a number of different

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Speaker 1: women and also bizarre video footage and wrote Tammy goes

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Speaker 1: on an all girls trip. So Matt decides to go

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Speaker 1: on a private plane to another destination and drink alcohol

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Speaker 1: with some guys and a bunch of random girls that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know. One girl set up her camera to

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Speaker 1: film the night, and luckily Matt wasn't aware of the camera,

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Speaker 1: so he was caught flirting with two girls and even

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Speaker 1: got his phone out to show the blonde something. Matt

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Speaker 1: and the blonde girl were way too comfortable with each other,

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Speaker 1: considering he's taken and they just met. Matt kept talking

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Speaker 1: to the light brunette and the blonde, but at different times.

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Speaker 1: It's insane that Matt was caught messaging a girl behind

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Speaker 1: Tammy's back and tried to blame the alcohol, but here

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Speaker 1: he is drinking alcohol and talking to multiple women he

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Speaker 1: doesn't know. Matt tried to make it look like he

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Speaker 1: was just hanging out with the guys and his stories

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Speaker 1: and Instagram posts after the trip, he even played games

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Speaker 1: with the girls and didn't want to post about it

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Speaker 1: under why crying Face. What was bizarre about the post

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Speaker 1: surveillance camera. I think, yeah, it looked like it had

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Speaker 1: been taken from the restaurant or bar CCTV. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: the tree. Everyone knows that you can create a story

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Speaker 1: around videos and photos that you get. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it didn't look great, especially off the back of this

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Speaker 1: podcast expos from so dramatic that we are going to

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Speaker 1: get into a bit later. But Matt actually responded to

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Speaker 1: this Instagram page, which is quite rare because there's been

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Speaker 1: bigger allegations made against Matt which he has not responded

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Speaker 1: to publicly. So he wrote, I don't normally comment on

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Speaker 1: this stuff, but I thought i'd jump in here. They

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Speaker 1: are my mates and we have the same management, so

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Speaker 1: we have met at many events before. They are engaged

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Speaker 1: as well, and we were talking about wedding prep and

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Speaker 1: comparing our engagements. In the Mold Dives, I was involved

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Speaker 1: always say mal Dives. Oh sorry I've been watching I've

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Speaker 1: been listening to too much Staffron Bar. Anyway, I continue

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Speaker 1: I was invited to this event weeks ago and would

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Speaker 1: have gone whether my fiance was in Australia or not.

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Speaker 1: You guys need to get alive. Seriously, It's so strange

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Speaker 1: how obsessed you are with people you have never met

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Speaker 1: and know only from social media. Also, you know the

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Speaker 1: man gets a wedding band after the marriage. Some of

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Speaker 1: us don't wear engagement rings. I kind of like that

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Speaker 1: Matt rebutted these claims and explained the situation, because as

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Speaker 1: much as I feel like he is a bit of

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Speaker 1: a shady character, he has been copying a lot of shit,

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Speaker 1: like a barrage of shit, to the point where it

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Speaker 1: feel like everyone is against you and your relationship, and

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Speaker 1: you probably feel like everyone wants this to fail right

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Speaker 1: before the wedding because obviously this is Tammy's third engagement.

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Speaker 1: Everyone has this theory that she's not going to walk

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Speaker 1: down the aisle.

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Speaker 2: Why don't want it ruined? I would like to we

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Speaker 2: walked down the aisle selfishly.

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Speaker 1: I think the only issue with Matt responding is now

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Speaker 1: he's set this precedence. So in terms of this story,

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Speaker 1: I think anyone can kind of read between the lines

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Speaker 1: and see that it was a bit of bullshit and

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Speaker 1: that's why he's come out in defense of it. But

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Speaker 1: he hasn't come out in defense of these recent claims

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Speaker 1: made by so dramatic. So let's get into those now,

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Speaker 1: Meg and pisetto she clearly did her research because she

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Speaker 1: found out some very juicy details from Matt's ex girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: Jen's friends and akadg probably just Jen herself in her

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so these details.

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Speaker 1: Didn't paint Matt very well and it would have been

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Speaker 1: a hard listen for Tammy. Now it really didn't miss

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Speaker 1: a beat this podcast episode. It dives straight into when

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Speaker 1: Matt and Jen broke up, and Matt claimed in his

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Speaker 1: podcast that the reason behind the split was due to

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Speaker 1: his infertility. However, Jen's friends claim that they broke up

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Speaker 1: because Matt went behind Jen's back and auditioned for.

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Speaker 2: Love Island UK.

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Speaker 1: This actually makes sense as a massive fan of Love

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Speaker 1: so obviously they were auditioning for Australian Love Island contestants.

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Speaker 1: Love Island UK. I mean, we know the exposure that

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Speaker 2: But Jesse has blown up.

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Speaker 1: Like I love her content with Farmer Wheel, but the

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Speaker 1: only issue is if you've got a girlfriend, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't quite work. It's gonna come out and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: look like a total dick.

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Speaker 1: The allegations got worse because they also included Matt's co

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Speaker 1: host Anna McAvoy, so she's been dragged into the drama.

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Speaker 1: It's claimed that she encouraged Matt to audition for the

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Speaker 1: show behind Jen's back because she allegedly thought it would

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Speaker 1: help benefit their podcast. She's not wrong, it would have

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Speaker 1: greatly benefited their podcast. Look, maybe she knew that Jen

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Speaker 1: I feel like Anna is a bit of a Bambi character,

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Speaker 1: Like I feel a bit sorry for her, But still

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Speaker 1: if your Jen, you would be like you would feel

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Speaker 1: so betrayed because I feel like you do develop a

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Speaker 1: special friendship with your partner's girlfriends like, yeah, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: Maybe Matt was saying, well, actually, Jen's really keen on it.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't care that I'm going to go in there.

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Speaker 1: She knows it's for my career now. The other major

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Speaker 1: bombshell from this episode was that Matt was allegedly still

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Speaker 1: friend alleged that the former couple had agreed on being

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Speaker 1: So if we remember back to that grand unfollowing that

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Speaker 1: happened right before their joint Hucks party, Matt was posting

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Speaker 1: at this random marketplace and he put up a photo

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Speaker 1: he had previously posted a lot of content with Jen,

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Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend's dog, and about how this dog was

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Speaker 1: his whole life. And it's even weirder now that Megan

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Speaker 1: business with Jen. Well, the allegations get even worse because

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Speaker 1: the date of Tammy and Matt's anniversary is the same

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Speaker 1: this year, Matt and Jen allegedly celebrated her birthday together

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Speaker 1: there were a few subtle jibes that basically Matt is

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Speaker 1: a stingebag and Jen was apparently livid when the first

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Speaker 1: photos broke of Tammy and Matt together at a hotel

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Speaker 1: t time, Matt allegedly told his friends that he was

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Speaker 1: still in love with Jen, but dating Tammy would be good.

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Speaker 2: For his career.

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Speaker 1: Something that was touched on during this podcast is that

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Speaker 1: fame seems to be a big motivator for Matt because

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Speaker 1: he has been accused of only dating his former partner

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Speaker 1: Kira Maguire, who was on The Bachelor for the same reason,

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Speaker 1: and also obviously the fact that he wanted to go

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Speaker 1: on Love Ireland to further his career. Well. Meagan also

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Speaker 1: points it out that Matt has been quite vocal about

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Speaker 1: what his type is, which is a brunette woman with

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Speaker 1: big boobs. Well, this was backed up by a ton

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Speaker 1: of upsots from his podcast where he talked about loving

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Speaker 1: brunette women obviously with big boobs. All it made me

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Speaker 1: think about was the fact that Tammy Henbroy recently got

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Speaker 1: even larger breasting plants put in yeah, well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you thought things couldn't get any worse. Matt was

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Speaker 1: also accused of being a serial cheat, so Jen's friends

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Speaker 1: Pushing that they were these Melbourne socialites who loved going

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Speaker 1: to the polo and the races. But it was quite

439
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: funny because viewers at home started referring to them as

440
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Speaker 1: cashed up bogans and they started saying that they spoke

441
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Speaker 1: like pro and Trude from Kath and Kim. But Ash

442
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: and Kimilla came out and said, if anything, we look

443
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Speaker 1: more like Kath and Kim. And like most reality TV villains,

444
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: they came out hard in the press saying, oh my gosh,

445
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Speaker 1: the show has portrayed us in a way that we

446
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Speaker 1: are not.

447
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Speaker 2: We weren't mean.

448
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Speaker 1: We just said things that were bad about the food.

449
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Speaker 1: For those who haven't seen the show, their comments were

450
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 1: so bad that people thought they were actually paid actors. Well,

451
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 1: they thought that Ash was a paid actor because some

452
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Speaker 1: journo found some previous.

453
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Speaker 2: Work or ads that she'd been in.

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Speaker 1: What's so Folk Star now profile, Well, they always seemed

455
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Speaker 1: to come across Well, she hit out and said, there's

456
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Speaker 1: no way I'm acting. That is all completely natural. I'm

457
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Speaker 1: a bit of a weirdo. Now, since MKR, Ash has

458
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Speaker 1: appeared on Dancing with the Stars, I'm a Celeb and

459
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Speaker 1: also The Traders, and she even had her own breakfast

460
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Speaker 1: radio show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

462
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Speaker 1: Well she's been very successful since MKR and I think

463
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Speaker 1: think a lot of it had to do with her

464
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Speaker 1: appearance on i'mus Celeb, because she really was able to

465
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Speaker 1: redeem herself on there. She showed another side of her personality. Yeah,

466
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Speaker 1: and now she's the mum of two girls called Clementine

467
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Speaker 1: and Claudette.

468
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Speaker 2: That just made me.

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Speaker 1: Laugh because she obviously has this reputation of being a

470
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Speaker 1: bit of a snob and those are very like snobby

471
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Speaker 1: social names. And she does a fair bit of influencing

472
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Speaker 1: work now and she's actually represented by Roxy Jusenko's Ministry

473
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Speaker 1: of Talent. So she's got one hundred and twenty six

474
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Speaker 1: thousand followers exactly at the moment, So quite a good

475
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Speaker 1: following considering she was on a show almost ten years ago. Well,

476
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Speaker 1: this week, Ash made headlines by revealing she was fired

477
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Speaker 1: by her house cleaners. So in a ten minute rant

478
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Speaker 1: that she posted to Instagram, Ash explained that her cleaners

479
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Speaker 1: told her her standards were too high for their service

480
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Speaker 1: before pulling the pin on their working agreements.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: She chose not to name the cleaning company, but slammed

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Speaker 1: their service, saying no one wants to put in the

484
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Speaker 1: hard work these days. It was very Kimmy Kay esque

485
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Speaker 1: what she was saying.

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Speaker 2: Let's throw to a bit of it.

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Speaker 4: Just wondering is it possible to be fired by your

488
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Speaker 4: own employee? Because I just was. My cleaner fired me

489
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Speaker 4: as their client. Do you want to know why my

490
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Speaker 4: cleaner said that my expectations were too high for their service?

491
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Speaker 4: Maybe I do have an issue because I just keep

492
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Speaker 4: thinking it's them. Nah, it's not fucking me, it's them. Seriously,

493
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Speaker 4: what is wrong with people these days? People's standards are low?

494
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Speaker 4: People's people just have low standards or they're not willing

495
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Speaker 4: to put the fucking work in.

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Speaker 1: Look, I feel like the problem sits with Ash because

497
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Speaker 1: this isn't the first time that she's been fired.

498
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Speaker 2: Her previous cleaners.

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Speaker 1: Also told her that she was expecting too much. I

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Speaker 1: suspect she was paying through the nose for these cleaners

501
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Speaker 1: as well, because anyone who listens to the podcast and

502
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Speaker 1: runs a business, you will know there is something in

503
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Speaker 1: the industry called a dickhead tax, and these cleaners would

504
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Speaker 1: have added a dickhead tax to her cleaning. So yeah,

505
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Speaker 1: she did actually confirm that they were being paid very well,

506
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Speaker 1: but she didn't specify the amount. She also said that

507
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Speaker 1: her house was brand new when she and her family

508
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: moved in a few years ago, and that she employed

509
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: the cleaners in question to visit every fortnight and she

510
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: was basically doing the upkeep in between. Now, things came

511
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Speaker 1: to a head when Ash discovered that there was mold

512
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Speaker 1: in her shower. She claimed that there was mold in

513
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Speaker 1: the grout and that she was expecting the cleaners to

514
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Speaker 1: get on their hands and knees and scrub. Now, her

515
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Speaker 1: list of complaints didn't end there, because it appears that

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Speaker 1: she was very dissatisfied with the way that they also

517
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Speaker 1: mopped the flaws.

518
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Speaker 2: Let's listen to what she said.

519
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 4: It just lightly go over, like just wet the floor

520
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 4: like that and mopped themselves out of the house. No

521
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Speaker 4: mopping is like this, you know. And then that's what

522
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 4: mopping is. It's not like out of the house just

523
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Speaker 4: making it look wet. It's getting the shit off the flour.

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Speaker 4: You need to be fucking breaking you back and sweating

525
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Speaker 4: for that.

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Speaker 2: I kind of get where she's coming from.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a regular house cleaner, but I've used

528
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Speaker 1: clean as before when I've done an end of lease

529
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Speaker 1: clean and things are different in Adelaide because they expect

530
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Speaker 1: the house to be spotless and sometimes you were paying

531
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Speaker 1: a fuck ton of money to have them there, and

532
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Speaker 1: you're sort of like, I probably could have done this

533
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Speaker 1: better myself, but you can't expect these cleaners to come

534
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Speaker 1: in every week and do an end of lease style.

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Speaker 2: Oh definitely, it's meant to be upkep.

536
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Speaker 1: Well, in this round, it was quite funny because Ash

537
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Speaker 1: was taking her followers around her home and showing them

538
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Speaker 1: the areas that she was dissatisfied with, and she discovered

539
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Speaker 1: that the cleaners never picked up her furniture to clean underneath,

540
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Speaker 1: and that they would just vacuum around. She also found

541
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Speaker 1: dust on the skirting boards on top of her alcohol collection,

542
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Speaker 1: and also on the base of her floor lamp and

543
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Speaker 1: in between the tiles of her kitchen.

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Speaker 2: Was it actually bad?

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Speaker 1: Look it was dust. I don't know if if dusting

546
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Speaker 1: was part of their contract or not. Now she declared

547
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Speaker 1: that she doesn't want a speck of dust anywhere, and

548
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: that she's invested in a feather duster now to eliminate

549
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Speaker 1: that problem.

550
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Speaker 2: What do you mean she didn't have one before?

551
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Speaker 1: Well, no, and I think she assumes that her cleaners

552
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Speaker 1: didn't own one either. Now she reiterated that she was

553
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Speaker 1: aware that this is a first world problem and she

554
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Speaker 1: wanted to make it clear that she really respects good cleaners,

555
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Speaker 1: and she prefaced that she's a very good cleaner herself,

556
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Speaker 1: but would prefer to outsource and not do it because

557
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Speaker 1: she doesn't want to waste her time. Look, she's not

558
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Speaker 1: doing a good job advertising her home for potential cleaners.

559
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Speaker 1: No one is going to want to accept that job. Well,

560
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Speaker 1: it's funny you say that, because one cleaning company clearly

561
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Speaker 1: saw this as an opportunity to promote their services, and

562
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: in response to Ash's rant, they created a real saying

563
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: that they were up for the job and just as

564
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Speaker 1: passionate about cleaning as her.

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Speaker 2: Let's throw to what they.

566
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Speaker 3: Said, Ash, you don't have any issue. Clean have an

567
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 3: issue because cleaners clean. That's our job. But do you

568
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: know what you need? You need SMK, You need Kylie

569
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: or Cody to come and clean your home because I

570
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: promise you there won't be no moldy ground. The standards

571
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: and the expectation that you expect, we deliver every single time.

572
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Speaker 3: So Kylie, do you think, baby?

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Speaker 1: This is just giving me horrible flashbacks to when we

574
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: rented this home and the owner had the most unrealistic

575
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: expectations of how much we had to clean the house.

576
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: Remember it was literally like we had wardrobes and she

577
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: said that we had to polish the track where the

578
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Speaker 1: wardrobes slid across.

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Speaker 2: It was worse with the tiles.

580
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Speaker 1: We had these white tiles and we were staying in

581
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Speaker 1: a really beautiful house near the beach. Like, I don't

582
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: know how we lucked out on this place. This would

583
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Speaker 1: have been like seven years ago when rent wasn't that

584
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: there was three of us pay. Yeah, were three of

585
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Speaker 1: us in there. But yeah, it had these beautiful, pristine

586
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Speaker 1: white tiles and she literally had a manual on how

587
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Speaker 1: to clean them. It was using floor polish. They expected

588
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: as car sorry car polish, and they expected us again,

589
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: like Ash said, to be on her hands and knees

590
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: every day scrubbing. They even told us they're in order

591
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Speaker 1: to keep up with the cleaning that they suggested that

592
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Speaker 1: we have a full time cleaner come in. But I mean,

593
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Speaker 1: as like in your twenties, who the fuck can afford that. See,

594
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Speaker 1: I've never had a cleaner. I've always done my own cleaning,

595
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Speaker 1: as I think most people probably listening to this have done.

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Speaker 1: I would feel really uncomfortable having a cleaner come in

597
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: because I would feel like I had to clean before

598
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: they came in because they'd be judging me.

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Speaker 2: Well, my friend, she has a fantastic cleaner.

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Speaker 1: And this is someone who we actually got in for

601
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Speaker 1: that least clean to fix a few things up, and

602
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: she was so cheap. Like my friend said, she actually

603
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: feels terrible and like she's extorting them because it's ridiculously cheap.

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Speaker 2: You do have top people are get to email me asking.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't know from any listeners whether you have been

606
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: fired from someone else providing you a service where you

607
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: really should have done the firing yourself. We'll put up

608
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: a thread in our Facebook community. Argentinian police have raided

609
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: the hotel where One Direction singer Liam Payne died after

610
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: falling from his third fort balcony. Hard drives and hotel

611
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: camera footage was seized from Cassis sir as well as

612
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Speaker 1: registration books. Now, interestingly, police are looking for new intel

613
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Speaker 1: about the hotel staffers working on the day of Liam's death,

614
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Speaker 1: and Liam's father Jeff, as well as Liam's bodyguard Paul Higgins,

615
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: have been assisting police in reviewing security vision at the hotel,

616
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Speaker 1: with Liam's security guard also seen.

617
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: Questioning several staff.

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00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now this raid comes after unverified reports that hotel cameras

620
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Speaker 1: allegedly stopped working one hour before Liam's death, which is

621
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: very suspicious. Now, Jeff was informed last week that Liam's

622
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: body must stay in Argentina until all reports are finished.

623
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: Now this could take some time as they are now

624
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: reviewing computer data and also security vision, so it must

625
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: be such a terribly long wait for his family. Now,

626
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: following the initial toxicology reports, which we discussed on Tuesday's show.

627
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: It's since been reported that Liam had drugs, including pink

628
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: cocaine in his system at the time of death. Now,

629
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: this party drug usually indicates a combination of MDMA ketamine

630
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Speaker 1: and meth and fetamine, which is not a good mix of.

631
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Speaker 2: Drugs to me.

632
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Speaker 1: But despite that report, one Argentinian fan is adamant that

633
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: Liam was not under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

634
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: Is this a TikToker?

635
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: No, So she was actually interviewed by an Argentinian TV

636
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: show and she met Liam on the day of his death.

637
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: So her name is Diana, and her and her friends

638
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: were waiting at Hotel Casas Sue in the hope of

639
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Speaker 1: meeting Lim. So they arrived at nine to thirty am

640
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: and they finally got to meet Liam when he came

641
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Speaker 1: down to.

642
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: The hotel lobby at three o'clock.

643
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Speaker 1: So he said he had just read recently woken up

644
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: and came down to see them. Now they said he

645
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: was alone and didn't have his bodyguard there.

646
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: So Liam chatted to.

647
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: The group of girls for fifteen minutes and Dianna rejected

648
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: claims that he was under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

649
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: She said he was healthy and talkative. She also said

650
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: he was speaking really eloquently and he was very calm

651
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: and grateful that they were there. She also said that

652
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: Liam spoke about being in awe of the beauty of Argentina,

653
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: how he was very happy to be there, and he

654
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: even wanted to move there, so he was talking about

655
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: future plans. Now. Deiana then told Liam that another friend

656
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: of theirs was heading to the hotel and she had

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Speaker 1: a present for him, and Liam explained that he was

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Speaker 1: and receive the gift. Now, so that was at three

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Speaker 1: pm when they met him, So he died at five pm, so,

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Speaker 1: she said. An hour or so passed and they started

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Speaker 1: seeing weird movements within the hotel. So Deianna said she

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Speaker 1: someone in authority asked them who they were waiting for,

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Speaker 1: and she said Liam Payne. They then spoke to hotel

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Speaker 1: staff who said that someone had jumped off a balcony,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't say that it was Liam. Now the

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Speaker 1: interviewer asked Siana if she had seen Liam being destructive

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Speaker 1: said no. She also claims she never saw the alleged

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Speaker 1: over money, which is really odd because there's been so

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Speaker 1: many eyewitness accounts which say very different things occurred. It's

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Speaker 1: not really so many eyewitness accounts. It was really the

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Speaker 1: one main American guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was him. And again I'm probably.

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Speaker 1: Buying into too many TikTok conspiracy theories, but there is

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Speaker 1: a theory going around that he is a crisis actor.

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Speaker 1: Now those are just allegations, but I just want to

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Speaker 1: reiterate that it's very interesting that Diana and her group

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Speaker 1: of friends had been waiting there since nine thirty. They

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Speaker 1: have been like when you I have been before to

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Speaker 1: hotels waiting for celebrities, you pick up on everything.

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Speaker 2: That is happening. It was actually in the four of

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Speaker 2: the whole time. I think they were drifting in and out.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that doesn't make sense is if he

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Speaker 1: told them that he got up at three pm, all

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Speaker 1: of the sex worker stuff was happening earlier in the day.

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, he's hardly going to tell his fans,

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Speaker 1: I just had two sex workers.

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Speaker 2: I just think TikTok can get.

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Speaker 1: Out of control with conspiracy theories. We saw it with

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Speaker 1: the Kate Middleton drama.

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Speaker 2: It just is concerning.

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Speaker 1: I mean, until police come out and actually give conclusive

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Speaker 1: evidence around what has occurred, it's just going to continue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing for me where I just felt

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Speaker 1: like there might be some validity to what this fan

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Speaker 1: of psychological tests and drug testing and he was clean

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Speaker 1: at the time. So that's why I just find this

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Speaker 1: new eyewitness account very interesting. Yeah, but I think everyone

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Speaker 1: needs to be really careful because there are so many

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Speaker 1: crazy rumors circulating. I mean, just over the weekend, there

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Speaker 1: was a rumor that Liam's ex Maya Henry, who filed

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Speaker 1: the season desist letter against Liam, was staying at the

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Speaker 1: same hotel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: She has since come out and said that she has

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Speaker 1: never ever visited Argentina and that it's completely far fetched.

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Speaker 1: But this is the concern with TikTok, that there are

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Speaker 1: so many citizen journalists out there that are putting out

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Speaker 1: all of this crap. And if it goes viral, people

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Speaker 1: just start believing. But I think the other concern is

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Speaker 1: whilst I think that there are some crazy rumors, I

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Speaker 1: think there are also a lot of unanswered questions. And

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Speaker 1: despite there being so many eyeballs on Liam in the foyer,

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Speaker 1: there was still no vision of him smashing his laptop

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Speaker 1: or acting erratically. But there were so many photos of him,

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Speaker 1: but we never actually saw the vision of him acting erratically.

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Speaker 1: We only saw him being lovely and welcoming to fans.

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Speaker 2: That's I don't know.

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Speaker 1: For me, I just feel like there is more to

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Speaker 1: this story, and more is going to come out the

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Speaker 1: fact that his father is getting involved in the invent

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Speaker 1: stigation as well, it's clear that he probably doesn't entirely

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Speaker 1: trust the process. Well, there's just so many unanswered questions

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Speaker 1: right now. Well, on that note, I think that is

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Speaker 1: all we have time for today. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us for another episode of Outspoken.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to con Sophie and Kay into testing out

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Speaker 1: some Christmas food with me.

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Speaker 2: I have found the.

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Speaker 1: Most delicious looking stuff at Coles and Willies that I

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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the

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Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes.

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Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present.

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Speaker 1: And sorry for those expecting all three of us to

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Speaker 1: return today. Kate tried to be involved in the recording remotely,

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately the technology.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't on her side.

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Speaker 1: It was going in and out so so far, I

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Speaker 1: just had to record this together, but hopefully Kate will

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Speaker 1: be back later.

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Speaker 2: In the week.

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Speaker 1: We do appreciate her contribution to the notes for this

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