1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Ohs. It is 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: the beginning of the new financial year, but unfortunately we 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: are still in twenty twenty one, which means a large 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: majority of our listeners are in lockdown. To help me 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: make sense of what is happening today, I'm joined by 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Sam Kazlowski, co founder of The Daily Ohs, and Sam 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: tell me what is up today. 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: Good morning, Zara, coming to you live from under my bed, 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: which appears to be the most sound proof place of 10 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: my house. Today we're going to be talking about how 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: COVID nineteen is tracking across Australia. We're also going to 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: be discussing coercive control and we're going to come back 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: to that in our deep dive, and some good news 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: about the removal of a Confederate statue in the US. 15 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: Let's get into it, okay, So somehow it is my 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: job again to take you through the entire country worth 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen cases, and we'll start in New South Wales. 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: There were twenty two new locally acquired cases in the 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: twenty four hours to eight pm on Tuesday. Queensland recorded 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: three new locally acquired cases. We then heard some bad 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: news for those residents in Alice Springs and Chief Minister 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: Michael Gunner had this to say about a snap seventy 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: two hour lockdown that he announced yesterday, just like the 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: Top End lockdown. We made this decision very quickly. I 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: know it is sudden and shocking. 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: I am sorry about that, but we cannot afford to 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: wait a minute longer. 28 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: And after hearing that, we were hearing rumors of another 29 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: lockdown in South Australia after the state recorded five new 30 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: locally acquired cases. But Stephen Marshall, the state's premier, just 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: announced some more restrictions. So South Australia is not in lockdown. 32 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: We're going to take you through this story a little 33 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: slower in our deep dive. But a parliamentary committee in 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: New South Wales has unanimously recommended creating a standalone fence 35 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: of coercive control. This is something that advocates have long 36 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: said is a behavior that's not covered by existing domestic 37 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: violence crimes and that makes it really hard for police 38 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: to regulate and prevent. The committee's report said it is 39 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: clear that coercive control is a factor and red flag 40 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: for the horrific and preventable murder deaths of Australian women 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: and children, some twenty nine murders in twenty twenty alone 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: in New South Wales. 43 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: That is a really important story, and stick with us 44 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: as we take you through it. First, we're going to 45 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: jump to Canada, where the country is set to ban 46 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: the sale of new fuel powered cars and light trucks 47 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: from twenty thirty five, and that's in an effort to 48 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: work towards the net zero emission's goal by twenty fifty. 49 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Only zero emissions cars and trucks can be sold from 50 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: twenty thirty five. According to a statement from the government. 51 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: And Today's Good News, the US House of Representatives has 52 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: voted two hundred and eighty five to one twenty to 53 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: remove Confederate statues from Capitol Hill. Significantly included in the 54 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: removal is a statue of a former Chief Justice of 55 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: the United States who ruled in eighteen fifty seven that 56 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: people of African descent were not US citizens. 57 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: Before we start today's deep dive, I just wanted to 58 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: give you the heads up that it is about domestic 59 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: violence and coercive control. If you don't think that you're 60 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: in the headspace to be listening to this, it might 61 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: be better for you to switch off today's podcast and 62 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: jump back in tomorrow. If the topics talked about in 63 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: today's deep Dive bring up anything for you, please reach 64 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: out for help and we have included the helplines in 65 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: today's show notes. A really important part of a parliament's 66 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: work is for parliamentarians to join committees where these committees 67 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: can interrogate and investigate policy issues in a more thorough 68 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: way than the day to day of parliament allows for. 69 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: And it's usually a process that only keen eyed observers 70 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: will pay attention to. But yesterday in New South Wales 71 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: Parliament there was a really really significant report handed down 72 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: by a parliamentary committee, and that was a parliamentary committee 73 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: report that unanimously recommended creating a standalone offense of coercive control. 74 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: And before I throw to Sam to define what coercive 75 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: control is, I just want to underscore the fact that 76 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: this was a multi partisan joint party committee. So there 77 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: were members from the government, from the Liberal Party, from 78 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: the Nationals Party, from the Labor Party and from the Greens. 79 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 1: And this was a unanimous report. So it's a pretty 80 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: big deal. 81 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: Sam. 82 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: Why don't you take us through what the report found 83 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: the definition of coercive control to be so. 84 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: The report defines coercive control as when perpetrators aim to 85 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: take away their partner's autonomy and freedom, and this normally 86 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: occurs with a gradual escalation of tactics like isolating the 87 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: partner from their friends and family, humiliating them and putting 88 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: them down, controlling and tracking their movements or their finances, 89 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: and taking away their ability to make decisions about how 90 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: they live their life. So coercive control doesn't actually always 91 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: involve physical violence, but it is a common factor in 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: intimate partner homicides. 93 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: There were some really astonishing stats that came out during 94 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: the process of these committee hearings, and one of them 95 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: that's out to me was that ninety nine percent of 96 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: domestic violence homicides in New South Wales between two thousand 97 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: and eight and twenty sixteen, one hundred and eleven out 98 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: of one hundred and twelve of these were preceded by 99 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: coerce of control. So that gives you some insight into 100 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: why this is such a pressing issue and why it's 101 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: being spoken about and herald It is such a big 102 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: move by this parliamentary committee. Another reason you might. 103 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: Have heard of. 104 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: This is because in Queensland, where Hannah Clarke was brutally 105 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: murdered by her former partner, her family has been really 106 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: pushing the government to adopt legislation that criminalizes coerce of 107 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: control in that state because they say that that lay 108 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: the foreground for what ultimately unfolded in the tragedy of 109 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: her death. But with many things, it is often difficult 110 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: to define parameters that could allow for this to be criminalized, 111 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: and that's what much of the report focused on about 112 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: how the government should go about legislating this change. 113 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: So the one hundred and ninety one page report Hannah 114 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: down twenty three main recommendations. I wanted to take you 115 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: through the top three as it paints a picture of 116 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 2: where the report thinks the government should direct its energy. 117 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: Most immediately. Recommendation one was simply the criminalization of coercive controls, 118 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: So all of those behaviors we talked through a couple 119 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: of minutes ago should be under this report now illegal. 120 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: The report suggests that after this offense has been drafted 121 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: and passed through Parliament, the actual implementation should be assisted 122 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: through a multi agency task force. Recommendation two calls for 123 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 2: a really clear and accessible definition of domestic abuse that 124 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: includes these coercive and controlling behaviors. 125 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: And it can't be made clear enough how big this is. 126 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: New South Wales is one of the only states that 127 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: doesn't have a definition of domestic violence enshrined in legislation. 128 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 2: And the third one is that there should be a 129 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: increase in the maximum penalty for contravening an apprhanded violence 130 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: order or an AVO. And this has been one of 131 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: the identifiable patterns in the murders that Zara was talking 132 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: about before, was the breaches of AVOs and. 133 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: This again goes to some of the earlier cases we 134 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: were referring to where there were a VOS in place 135 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: that were contravened and ultimately led to the tragic deaths 136 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: of many women. And just to round out this conversation, 137 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to read out something that Jess Hill, who 138 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: is really the leading expert in this space, something she 139 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: wrote on Twitter yesterday. She said, I understand that some 140 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: people outright oppose criminalizing coerce of control, and others fear 141 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: how it might affect them or their communities. The committee 142 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: was strongly advised to consult closely with community when drafting, 143 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: legislation and implementation, and that's what they recommended. These recommendations 144 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: go beyond the criminal justice system. There are many recommendations 145 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: about funding, about resourcing, and this cause for a whole 146 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: of government response, working with police, health, education, justice, housing, 147 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: and indigenous agencies. And I think that's a very good 148 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: point to end on because lots of advocates in this 149 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: space for a very long time have just been calling 150 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: for a more holistic approach to the way that gendered 151 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: violence is dealt with in this country and this seems 152 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: like a great first step. 153 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: And if this conversation has brought up any issues for you, 154 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: we really encourage reaching out. You can call one eight 155 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: hundred respect on one eight hundred seven three seven seven 156 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: three two twenty four hours a day.