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Speaker 1: There is obviously other pathways for people to be added

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Speaker 1: NT Alex Bruce. Good morning to you, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Katie, welcome back. We definitely missed you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks mate. Now, Alex, tell me I did hear you

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Speaker 2: Well on Monday it wasn't even clear which businesses would

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Speaker 2: we've asked for an end date on that because they've

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Speaker 1: So from what you're saying, because I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Alex? I mean to play Devil's advocate here though. Will

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Speaker 2: Katie in Catherine Tenant analys where our public areas, our

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Speaker 1: Alex, I do want to move along because we're running

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Speaker 2: That's not where it should be get used. So you know,

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, we're supportive of giving it a go. We

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Speaker 1: Well, Alex Bruce, we always appreciate your time, Thank you

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Speaker 2: Next time you're not out here, Katy, because I don't

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Speaker 2: want to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'll try my best to not go on holidays very often.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when it's about supporting your children, you've

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Speaker 1: got to do it right.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I kid you not. Though. On the Sunday night

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Speaker 2: we were discussing how we're in an opportunity that they

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Speaker 2: next morning I was stepping.

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Speaker 1: On a rake. Well, Alex Bruce, we appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Mate.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you very soon, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: Hid Katie all the bit.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,