1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Kalgodin woman from Gadighal country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and torrest 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: rate island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Friday, 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: the eighteenth of November. 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm saam now. 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: A story went viral this month that fifteen thousand protesters 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: had been sentenced to death in Iran. Fifteen thousand Iranian 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: protesters are in danger of being executed by the Iranian government. 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: It turns out only five people have received the death 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: penalties so far, but the situation continues to escalate as 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 2: protesters are met with violence and then imprisoned. I'll tell 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: you what you need to know in the deep dive, 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: but first Sam take us through the headlines. 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: Prime Minister Anthony Albernizi has set his time at the 19 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: G twenty summit in Bali cemented personal relationships he's been 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: developing as leader of the country. Albernizi had a busy week. 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: He met with leaders from across the G twenty, including 22 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: from the US, UK and China, and will now head 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: to Bangkok for the APEC Economic Leader's Summit. 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: The unemployment rate fell zero point one percentage points to 25 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: three point four percent, and that is according to the 26 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: latest figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics. The ABS 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: found that seasonally adjusted employment increase by about thirty two 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: thousand people across Australia in October, while the underemployment rate 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: also declined by zero point one percentage points to five 30 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: point nine percent. 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: To the US now and the Republican Party has secured 32 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 3: a majority of seats in the US House of Representatives 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: in the midterm elections. This means the House will now 34 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: be held by Republicans and the Senate by Democrats. Seats 35 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: of Congress will next be up for grabs in twenty 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: twenty four, which will also be when the presidential election 37 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: will take place. 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: Some good news for your Friday. The new season of 39 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: the A League Women's competition will kick off tomorrow, with 40 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: five opening round matches scheduled across the weekend. Western United 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: will join the competition after the Wellington Phoenix entered the 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: league last year. Very excitingly, the Women's World Cup will 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: be jointly held here in Australia and New Zealand next year. Sam, 44 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but earlier this week I 45 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: was seeing a post about Iran everywhere on my socials 46 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: and we were also being dmd at heaps on the 47 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: Daily Ozzes Instagram and that post said in a very 48 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: clear tile that fifteen thousand protesters had been sentenced to death. 49 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: We now know the contents of that post aren't exactly accurate, 50 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: and some people who posted it, like Canadian PM Justin Trudeau, 51 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: have since leaded it. So I thought it'd be important 52 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: today to lay out exactly what is going on in Iran, 53 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: because even though those numbers aren't accurate, there is still 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: a really dire situation unfolding there that deserves our attention. 55 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 3: Let's start with a bit of background. When did these 56 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 3: protests begin. 57 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: Well, the story started two months ago with the death 58 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: of a twenty two year old woman, Massa Zena Amini 59 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: after she was violently arrested by the Morality Police and Sam, 60 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: we've spoken about this a number of times on the podcast, 61 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: and we've written a number of posts about it. But 62 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: the morality police enforced strict cultural laws that are imposed 63 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: by Iran's conservative Islamic dictatorship, and that includes that women 64 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: must cover their hair. The death of this twenty two 65 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: year old woman, Masaramini sparked outrage and thousands and thousands 66 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: of people took to the streets. 67 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: This is an uprising, a popular rebellion against the clerics 68 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: and rulers of Iran. 69 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 4: Taking off their head and waving them in the air. 70 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 4: This is defiance in Iran, and women are leading the charge. 71 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 4: Some are even burning their hitjobs. They're mandatory head coverings 72 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: in protest. 73 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: Protesters are calling for freedoms for women and to overthrow 74 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: the government. And I think it's important to note that 75 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: they are being led themselves. These protests by women, and 76 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: particularly by young women. These protests are still ongoing. Just 77 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: this week we've heard reports that Iranian security forces opened 78 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,559 Speaker 2: fire at a metro station in Tehran and beat women 79 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: who weren't covering their hair. 80 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: So we know these protests have been violent and resulted 81 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 3: in deaths. Now, I also know it's hard to get 82 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 3: accurate information out of Iran. But do we know how 83 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: many people have died. 84 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 2: Well, there's an organization called Human Rights Activists News Agency 85 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: which I'll just call HURANA, which has been tracking some 86 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: of the stats from outside the country, and they say 87 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: that three hundred sixty two people have been killed in 88 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: the protests so far, and that includes fifty six children. 89 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: This same organization estimates over sixteen thousand people are currently 90 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 2: detained after being arrested in relation to the protests. IRANA 91 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 2: says they've been able to identify over two thousand of 92 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: those detainees so far. 93 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: And do we know much about what's happened with these detainees. 94 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: We don't know about all of the detainees, but we 95 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: know about some. So you and experts said last month 96 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 2: that eight people were charged by the Islamic Revolutionary Court 97 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: with crimes like and i UM quoting here, waging war 98 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: against God and corruption on earth. It's understood these charges 99 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: are related to the protests, and in Iran these crimes 100 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: can actually carry the death penalty. A few days after 101 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: those charges were laid, the Tehran prosecutor announced some one 102 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 2: thousand charges had been brought and public trials were scheduled. 103 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: This already was getting lots of attention at the time, 104 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: and there was a fair bit of international condemnation about 105 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: what had happened. But then in the sixth of November, 106 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: Iranian media reported that two hundred and twenty seven members 107 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: of Parliament had called on the courts to act decisively 108 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: in their response to the protests, which the unna Is 109 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: condemned as a blatant violation of the separation of powers, 110 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: the idea being that separating powers means those who make 111 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: the laws shouldn't be telling the courts how to enforce. 112 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: Them, and he said that some of these crimes can 113 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: carry the death penalty right exactly. 114 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: So far, various sources are reporting that five death sentences 115 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 2: have been handed down in relation to these protests, and 116 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: the charges include using a knife in the street, attacking others, arson, 117 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: running over and killing a police officer, and also for 118 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: being a leader in street unrest and blocking streets. The 119 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: courts did note that these sentences were preliminary and could 120 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: be up for appeal, but not everyone charged in relation 121 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: to the protests has received the death penalty, and several 122 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: others received five to ten years in prison for national 123 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 2: security related child. 124 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break, we'll be right back. 125 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 3: So at the top of this podcast, you mentioned this 126 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: story about fifteen thousand sentenced to death. Yeah, where did 127 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: that story come from? 128 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: Well, at the time that story was circulating, there were 129 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: believed to be fifteen thousand people arrested for their involvement 130 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: in the protests. On top of that, the story that 131 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty seven parliamentarians were calling for this 132 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: decisive action and to teach an example to protesters, that 133 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: was interpreted by many as a formal call for the 134 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: implementation of the death penalties. So that led to an 135 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: interpretation that all of those fifteen thousand detained protesters were 136 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: at imminent risk of execution. And so that led to 137 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: some interpretation that all fifteen thousand detained protesters could have 138 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: been at imminent risk of execution. While the numbers that 139 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: were circulated in that now viral post aren't necessarily accurate, 140 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: human rights organizations have been extremely vocal in their condemnation 141 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: of the death sentence for any peaceful protesters, whether it's 142 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: one or fifteen thousand. 143 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on the Daily OS this week. 144 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: If you learned something from today's episode, I know I did. 145 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: There's a quick and easy way to help us keep 146 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: making more apps for you. Give us a rating and 147 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: review wherever you do your podcast listening. We'll be back 148 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: again on Monday. 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