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Speaker 1: If you're listening to the show yesterday, you would have

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Speaker 1: heard our discussion about the Cyclone Tracy Survivors group saying

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Speaker 1: of council by laws should they protest what they've described

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Speaker 1: is the manifestly unpopular Cyclone Tracy kinetic sculpture. Now, as

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Speaker 1: I understand it, the plan was to attend the VIP

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Speaker 1: SAE and Saunders about this yesterday. She had said that

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Speaker 1: they need as part of the protests that they need

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Speaker 1: that is like their public liability insurance. Now joining me

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Speaker 1: is one of these Cyclone Tracy survivors. Good morning to you, Anthony.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning Katie. Thanks so much for taking this court.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no worries at all. Look, I'm really keen to

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Speaker 1: Samone Saunders. Now, I'm not sure you know whether you've

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Speaker 1: But where are things at for you guys in terms

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Speaker 1: of that protest? You told me last time you're on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're a few days older, I suppose. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: look where things are at this point in time, Katie

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Speaker 2: is that the council are still insisting that those that

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Speaker 2: the insurance is provided before they'll issue the permit. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I did hear the CEO comment on

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Speaker 2: she's getting her information from, because you know, I've referred

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Speaker 2: to the cycling sorry, the City of Darwin information and

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Speaker 2: if you can, anybody can go to it and says

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Speaker 2: do I need insurance for my event? For public liability?

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Speaker 2: And it clearly states we're exempt from having any form

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Speaker 1: All right? How come?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's quite clear. It says that the small

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Speaker 2: the by laws or the Anti Local Government Act does

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Speaker 2: which is what we've applied for We've applied for an event,

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Speaker 2: sporting organizations, large organizations or event organizers, enterprises, small enterprises

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Speaker 2: they're all required to get public liability insurance. However, groups

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Speaker 2: I'm just a little bit confused, and it is concerning

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Speaker 1: So Anthony we I literally just caught up with the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Commander Danny Bacon. He said that he's

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police and that you know the police

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Speaker 1: his understanding was that you know that anyone protesting does

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I think people are even more determined

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Speaker 2: It's as simple as that, and I think the council

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Speaker 1: Anthony, tell us, how many are you do you have

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Speaker 1: Man. I thought to myself, you know what, what like

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Speaker 1: It's actually you know, you saying that as well. I

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Speaker 2: Well that you've hit the nail on the head, Katie.

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Speaker 2: That's you know, there are people who've been here, you know,

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Speaker 2: And it could have been, this could have been such

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Speaker 2: But for reasons that we're still trying to find out,

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Speaker 1: Something, Anthony, are you able to reveal which MLA's or

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Speaker 1: are you prepared to sort of, you know, tell us

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's about four or five that have

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Speaker 2: get something done. As you know, Katie, our age group

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Speaker 2: aren't one to win so much. Protesting is not in

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Speaker 2: But I'm surprised at the amount of people who do

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Speaker 1: Well, Anthony Bullock, I really appreciate you having a chat

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Speaker 1: and we'll probably have a chat with you again next

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Speaker 1: get a better idea of where things are at. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm still hoping for a positive resolution, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'll keep going up to the eleventh power. But yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: and again, thank you so much for your attention to this.

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Speaker 2: It's really appreciated.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important that our Cyclone Tracy survivors

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Speaker 1: I you know, my father in law's a Cyclone Tracy survivor.

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Speaker 1: I know so many Cyclone Tracy survivors, and I know

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Speaker 1: how important this is to you guys, not just you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's exactly why so many people are

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Speaker 2: And so that's you know, people have lost lives. We've

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Speaker 2: got people who are pretending this protest with family members

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Speaker 2: who they lost, so it's so so close to their

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Speaker 2: hearts at the moment, and it needs it needs somebody

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Speaker 2: within either the government or the council to show some

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Speaker 2: empathy and get this sorted out.

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Speaker 1: Well, Anthony, I really appreciate you having a chat to

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Speaker 1: me today, and we'll talk to you again next week.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'm just there's already a heap of messages

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Speaker 1: coming through on the text line this morning, so we'll

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Speaker 1: read those out as well throughout the morning. But mate,

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Speaker 1: thank you for chatting with us. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: again soon.

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Speaker 2: No worries, Katie, and thank you again very much for

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Speaker 2: your change with us. Thanks very much, Thank you