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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio is the Minister for Police

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Speaker 1: and also Veterans' Affairs, Brent Potter.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, brand.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: Now, first off this morning, I did mention this just

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Speaker 2: a moment ago.

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Speaker 1: A nurse who's also a member of the Northern Territories

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Speaker 1: Nepalese community. She was threatened at knife point last week

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Speaker 1: during an attempted carjacking and no longer feels safe living

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Speaker 1: in Darwin.

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Speaker 2: That's what she's told the media.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't the only serious incident, with Bangladeshi UNI student

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Speaker 1: hit with a hammer at a servo in another attempted carjacking.

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Speaker 1: We know the government is bolstering police numbers. That's a

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Speaker 1: long term plan. But people are being injured on our streets.

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Speaker 1: They're just going about their daily lives. What more can

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Speaker 1: be happening right now to keep people safe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the second incident you spoke about, Katie,

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Speaker 4: they're related. There's a relation there for the same offenders.

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Speaker 4: And I'm angry with her. I heard her comments. I agree,

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Speaker 4: I'd be in the exact same position she is right now.

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Speaker 4: And I think Sydney's shown us more than anything that

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Speaker 4: some of these instances we end up being responding to

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Speaker 4: rather being able to prevent because they're just randomized. I

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Speaker 4: think in the short so you said the long term police, well,

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Speaker 4: to me, the short term is more police.

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Speaker 3: In the long term, it is more around the investment in.

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Speaker 1: The causes are we're going to have those police at.

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Speaker 4: The Commission's got sixty eight graduating in June. We just

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Speaker 4: had a graduation early two graduations this year, so we.

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Speaker 1: Just sort of like between now and June, and I know,

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Speaker 1: like I get what you're saying, but between now and June, right,

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Speaker 1: people are feeling like they call the police and they

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Speaker 1: don't get somebody out there, and those.

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Speaker 4: Numbers identified in the police review, and I'm not disputing

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Speaker 4: that's why we put the money in Kadie. The only

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Speaker 4: thing I can do right now to change this, he's

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Speaker 4: get more police on the beat. We're seeing people return

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Speaker 4: to work after the police review. We're seeing the commissioner

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Speaker 4: change that culture in that organization. And when I was

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Speaker 4: down an aalys during the curfew, a couple of the

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Speaker 4: people in the specialist sales said he's really making an

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Speaker 4: impact culturally in the organization and people feel supported. Now

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Speaker 4: that's long term police officers in Alice Springs some of

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Speaker 4: the hardest places to police, and they're very happy with

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Speaker 4: the Commissioner. And I think that, yes, you're right, we

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Speaker 4: have to wait till June. But in saying that, we've

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Speaker 4: got officers in Alice Springs at the moment, they'll stay

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Speaker 4: there until June. We've got OSSes coming back to work.

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Speaker 4: The Territory Safety Division, which we announced December, was actually

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Speaker 4: out at the Eels game and commiserations the Eels fans.

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Speaker 3: They were out at.

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Speaker 4: The Eels game walking the beat and those weren't general duties.

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Speaker 4: That meant those general duties cars could be out responding

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Speaker 4: to calls, whereas previously we'd have to pull.

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Speaker 3: Them for events.

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Speaker 2: Look, i'll give you an example.

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Speaker 1: I was contacted by a parent last week and I

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Speaker 1: have contacted the Northern Territory Police about this. But her

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Speaker 1: teen daughter was at soccer at Baggotoval last Thursday. Right

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Speaker 1: they were there. There was a number of teams. Luckily,

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Speaker 1: the littlies, you know, like the kids that are my

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Speaker 1: son's age, had already gone home. But a man's turned

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Speaker 1: up with a weapon. He's turned up with a weapon.

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Speaker 1: He was apparently threatening members of those senior teams. They're

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Speaker 1: mostly adults in those teams, thankfully, but.

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Speaker 2: There are juniors there as well.

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Speaker 1: Now, dogs apparently ended up bailing this blowcup and he's

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Speaker 1: left the scene.

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Speaker 2: But they called the police. The police did not arrive.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether they arrived later in the evening,

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Speaker 1: but we're talking about some thirteen year.

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Speaker 2: Old girls that are there.

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Speaker 1: A bloke's turned up with a weapon. The police have

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Speaker 1: been called, and no one's turned up. Like to me,

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Speaker 1: that's really bloody scary.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So I don't know the circumstances of it. What

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Speaker 4: I would say is, and I'm happy to go and

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Speaker 4: find out. For example, Katie, I've called police before. They've

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Speaker 4: not turned up that instant we had in Prap that

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Speaker 4: you and I'm aware of. Yeah, they never turned up

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Speaker 4: to Prap. But what I found out they used CCTV.

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Speaker 4: We're actually attending to the individual. So I'm happy to

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Speaker 4: follow up find out why they didn't attending person. Did

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Speaker 1: I think they did later on, OK, right, But the

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Speaker 1: fact is you tell people that are scared, you know.

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Speaker 2: And that's the point I think that I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: make right now.

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Speaker 1: And I get what you're saying that the government's longer

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Speaker 1: term plan is that you're going to have more police

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Speaker 1: and that by June we're going to have sixty eight graduating.

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Speaker 1: But for right now, like for that nurse that's got

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Speaker 1: two eleven year olds and two teenagers holding her up

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Speaker 1: with a bloody knife, it's just appalling.

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Speaker 4: The best solution out of that because and I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to go into the individuals of every those kids involved,

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Speaker 4: but no legislation change would have changed their offending right there.

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Speaker 1: And I've said this before, and would re lowering the

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Speaker 1: criminal age of responsibility change.

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't solve the problem, Kady, because like I said,

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Speaker 4: the criminals don't think they're going to get caught. Whether

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Speaker 4: they're a young adult or an adult, or they're young

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Speaker 4: or they're an adult, they don't think they're getting caught.

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Speaker 3: What needs to happen.

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Speaker 1: It's appropriate that kids can literally hold a woman up

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Speaker 1: with a knife, two of them just get taken off.

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Speaker 4: I don't think any anyone should hold anyone up with

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Speaker 4: a weapon, whether they're a kid or not. Now, the

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Speaker 4: eleven year old, for example, that you're referring to, the

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Speaker 4: best outcome there. You know, if he's not the primary

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Speaker 4: offender is getting back on community and have community accountable

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Speaker 4: for that case. And so is that what's is he

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Speaker 4: is back on community and community are dealing with him

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Speaker 4: because you should never have been in town. The reality

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Speaker 4: is he should never have been in town without his parents.

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Speaker 4: And this is the point we make that you can

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Speaker 4: go off and change bail legislation. It's not going to

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Speaker 4: solve the problem. It's going to make people feel better

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Speaker 4: for the first couple of hours until they're a victim again.

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Speaker 4: We need to address the parenting issue and get parents

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Speaker 4: at the table. So who put the kid back in?

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon though, that the lowering or that the

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Speaker 1: raising of the criminal age of responsibility is working.

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Speaker 4: I'd say we've got offenders that are still six and seven.

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Speaker 4: So regardless of what the age is, we're still seeing

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Speaker 4: offending and it's a good example.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's gotten worse.

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Speaker 4: I think what it's done is more people are heightened

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Speaker 4: people are reporting on it. These were happening when the

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Speaker 4: criminal age was ten. We were having kids that were

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Speaker 4: seven and eight. I think what it has done, though,

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Speaker 4: is it has brought scrutiny onto the departments to make

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Speaker 4: sure they're managing these youth appropriately, because I think that

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Speaker 4: is what's failing. Now.

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Speaker 2: Minister, do you think that your knife crime strategy is working?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I do.

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Speaker 4: I think we've seen the reduction from the start of

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Speaker 4: the wanding when we first introduced the legislation to when

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Speaker 4: we've seen wanding operations occur, and the pickup that we've

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Speaker 4: identified is declining. As Sydney has showed us, you can't

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Speaker 4: stop people carrying weapons if they make that decision. What

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Speaker 4: you can do is detect it quicker and respond faster.

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Speaker 4: We've seen that in our springs and overwhelmingly from that

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Speaker 4: study that we did, we've confirmed that most people carry

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Speaker 4: them for self defense. That's the education piece, Like we

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Speaker 4: really want to stop it, we've got.

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Speaker 3: To go down education.

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Speaker 1: But most people carrying them for self defense, right, aren't

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Speaker 1: going out then threatening people and trying to steal their Well, no,

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Speaker 1: you are right.

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Speaker 4: That weapon, whether it was a knife, a bottle, or however,

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Speaker 4: they were going to steal the car, they were going

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Speaker 4: to commit the eqrevents and they got a hold of

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Speaker 4: a weapon, being a knife, and knives are readily available

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Speaker 4: throughout our community, both in houses and shops. What I

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Speaker 4: would say is visible patrolling and wanting is working. We

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Speaker 4: have the education program in the schools, but in this instance,

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Speaker 4: those kids probably aren't attending school, so therefore they're not

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Speaker 4: getting that program that we need them to get.

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Speaker 1: Minister literally, just as we're on air, the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police and now calling for information after an aggravated robbery

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Speaker 1: occurred in Catherine early yesterday morning.

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Speaker 2: You're probably aware of this.

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Speaker 1: About five point thirty in the morning, police received reports

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Speaker 1: that an eighty three year old man was allegedly assaulted

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Speaker 1: female uthes. The incident occurred after the group allegedly asked

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Speaker 1: Now upon arrival at another street, the offenders allegedly assaulted

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Speaker 1: Since been conveyed to hospital to receive treatment for his injuries.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look to me reading that, and I understand.

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Speaker 1: That the government's got different, you know, different measures in place,

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Speaker 1: different things that you're trying to do right. But to

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Speaker 1: me reading that, if an eighty three year old man

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Speaker 1: because there's three female youths assaulting him, things are out

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Speaker 4: So I'm not going to comment on that one, k

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Speaker 4: because there's probably some more information that needs to come

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Speaker 4: out on that one. There'll probably be an ongoing investigation

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Speaker 4: and those youth will be identified. But to me, there's

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Speaker 4: probably more of that story you've alluded to that had

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Speaker 4: any interaction before at the service station, he's offered to

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Speaker 3: I'm going to.

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Speaker 2: Reserve judgment, so the reckon he's known to no, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Not going to say until I get a brief. I've

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Speaker 4: got a brief on other information and other events have occurred,

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Speaker 4: but that one specifically, I'm probably sure there's more to

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Speaker 1: Just in relation to the second international student being attacked,

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Speaker 1: you know that was that we know of. Obviously, we

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Speaker 1: also know that Seafat was murdered while sleeping in his

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Speaker 1: own bed last year. Does the government have a player

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Speaker 1: to ensure that international students feel safe and still want

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Speaker 1: to come to day?

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Speaker 4: Yes, So I'm re establishing the multicultural advisory community that

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Speaker 4: sits within police, and they're going to do that from

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Speaker 4: a ministerial level and get those people at the table,

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Speaker 4: because I think that more than anything, they are some

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Speaker 4: of the They have some of the best indicators of

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Speaker 4: what's occurring on the ground and a majority of the

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Speaker 4: time they'll have some of the best solutions. And I

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Speaker 4: think that if we really want to address this, it

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Speaker 4: can't just be a government led police solution. We've got

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Speaker 4: to bring the multicultural community along with us with their ideas.

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Speaker 4: So I've re established that, but I think when we

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Speaker 4: driver and the woman that had her car stolen, it

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Speaker 4: can affect any territory and I'm not going to shy

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Speaker 4: have an absolute understanding of the impact they're having on community,

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Speaker 4: and the courts can do that. They did that after

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Speaker 4: This from day night. There are criminals that need to

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Speaker 3: But this money will go a long way to helping them.

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Speaker 1: And Mate, on that note, I am very sorry to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Gudy, and he really he loved listening to

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Brent Potter, Minister for Police and Veterans Affairs, really appreciate

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks Cody, thank you,