1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Already and this is the daily This is the daily. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: to the Daily oas it's Friday, the thirtieth of August. 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 2: I'm Lucy, I'm Zara. 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Imagine working really hard at something for most of your 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: life and never really feeling like that many people are 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: paying attention, until one day you wake up and everyone's 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: paying attention, cheering your name, screaming your lyrics at you, 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: and you're the biggest artist in the world. That's basically 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: what's happened recently to singer Chapel Wone. In today's deep dive, 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: we'll explore how that's happened. Is Chapel Roone really an 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: overnight success or is there more to the story? But first, Sarah, 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: what's making headlines? 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: An inquiry into a terrorist shooting in Queensland has now 15 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: concluded after five weeks. Constables Matthew Arnold and Rachel Mcrowe 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: were shot dead at a rural property in Queensland's Western 17 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: Downs back in twenty twenty two. Fifty eight year old 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: man Alan Dair was also shot and killed when he 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: went to check on his neighbors. Three shooters, Nathaniel Stacey 20 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: and Gareth Train were later killed in a confrontation with police. 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 2: They've since been linked to an extremist Christian terror group. 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: The end of the five weeks worth of hearings, the 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: families gave statements calling for changes in police operations, which 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 2: they said were partly to blame for the officer's deaths. 25 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: The federal government has issued a bird flu warning for 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: Australia's traveling to Europe, North and South America, and Asia. 27 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: Several strains of avian influenza or bird flu, have spread 28 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: rapidly in these regions, while human infections are rare. Travelers 29 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: are advised to limit contact with animals, review health risks 30 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: for their destinations, and make sure their flu vaccinations are 31 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: up to date. 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: And Meteorological Agency has issued its most severe level of 33 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: weather warnings as Typhoon Shanshan makes landfall. The agency's chief 34 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: forecaster urged maximum caution ahead of what's expected to be 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: the country's strongest storm of the year. Evacuation orders have 36 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: been issued for over eight hundred thousand residents across Japan's 37 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: southernmost island, as well as the country's central regions. 38 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: And Today's Good News Global toymaker Lego is experimenting with 39 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: sustainable and recycled materials like sugarcane, fishing nets and recycled 40 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: plastic bottles in an effort to make its plastic bricks 41 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: more sustainable. The manufacturer has set new targets as part 42 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: of its plan for all Lego products to be made 43 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: from renewable or recycled materials by twenty thirty two. Currently, 44 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: twenty two percent of Lego products are made from renewable 45 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: and recycled materials, up from eighteen percent in twenty twenty three. 46 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: Lego said it's leaving quote no brick unturned in its 47 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: sustainability mission. 48 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: So, Lucy, you are a long standing Chapel Rone fan, 49 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: and I think that that is an important note to 50 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: start on, because not many people are. And that is 51 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: the whole point of this podcast. That Chapel Road, who 52 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 2: if you missed it, is a ginormous superstar at the moment, 53 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: has seemingly for people that haven't been paying close attention, 54 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: come out of nowhere, and it's kind of brought to 55 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 2: the forefront a whole lot of conversations about how people 56 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: get famous nowadays, what the kind of music life cycle 57 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: looks like, and what it means for the artists themselves, 58 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: And so I thought her better to bring onto the 59 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: pod than Lucy Tassel. The og chapel Rone fan, with 60 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: that title now bestowed upon you, can you start from 61 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: the beginning tell us what we should know about her. 62 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Chapel Rone is the creation of a singer named 63 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: Kaylee rose Amstratz, a twenty four year old from the 64 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: US state of Missouri. She has kind of created Chapel 65 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: Grown as her drag character basically is what she says, 66 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: a persona that she puts on for the stage. So 67 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: she began as a teenager by uploading songs to YouTube, 68 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: very much reminiscent of Justin Bieber, who also got a 69 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: start in the same way. Eventually, like Justin Bieber, she 70 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: was noticed by a major label, Atlantic Records, who signed 71 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: her to a contract when she was just seventeen. 72 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: That was a number of years ago. 73 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: Several years ago now, Yes, because she's now in her 74 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: mid twenties, New Trouble fans might be surprised to know 75 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: that that label actually dropped her at the beginning of 76 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: the pandemic in twenty twenty, right after she released a 77 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: single that you've probably heard playing somewhere over the last 78 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: few months called Pink Pony Club. 79 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: That song is now going to be stuck in my 80 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: head for the remainder of the day. But you know, 81 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: we're talking about twenty twenty there, this song is now 82 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 2: huge in twenty twenty four. What happened between being you know, 83 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: someone that was dropped by a label to wear she 84 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: is now. 85 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: Without her labels backing. She had to go home to Missouri, 86 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: where she began working part time jobs and writing her 87 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: own music over the next couple of years. So over 88 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two, she really built 89 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: up a very loyal following through social media, which is 90 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: how I first came across. 91 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: Her on tip to TikTok. 92 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: It was TikTok, it was Pink Pony Club in a 93 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: TikTok and I said, who's that? 94 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: Yeah? 95 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: And through basically relentless touring, and then she released her 96 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: debut album, which is called The Rise and Fall of 97 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: a Midwest Princess through an independent label in September twenty 98 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: twenty three. This caused her to pick up a little 99 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: bit more steam, so much so that she could tour internationally, 100 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: including Here to Australia last November, and then off the 101 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: back of that, she got booked to perform at Coachella, 102 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: which is a huge California music festival that is live 103 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: streamed globally, and that is really where everything changed. 104 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: And so to recap, you're saying that there was this 105 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: kind of slow bur and she was touring internationally, but 106 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: by no means was she filling out a stadium or 107 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: anything of that nature like Nudie kind of venues. And 108 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: then this year it was Coachella. What did that later? 109 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 2: I mean I saw the clips everywhere, but what happened 110 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: from there. 111 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: Well, you and basically everyone else saw those clips. I 112 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: really can't overstate how big of a moment that was. 113 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: Those clips. They just went so viral. 114 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: Too soon, I told you. 115 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: So, you know, we actually have data to show exactly 116 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: how impactful that was. There's this graph that was made 117 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: by music statistics platform chart Metric that shows exactly how 118 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: influential it was. You can see there's a key inflection point. 119 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: She's building building, building quite slowly, and then basically the 120 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: graph goes directly up in the air ninety degrees. In 121 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: terms of her sales, her streams, the engagement with her accounts, 122 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: all of this immediately skyrockets. It's very dramatic. 123 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: Can you just add some color for people that might 124 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: not be familiar with the graph you're talking about, Like, 125 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: what sort of numbers are we talking here when we 126 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: talk about her success? 127 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: So we're talking about going from the hundreds of thousands 128 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: to the tens of millions in the space of about 129 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: a month and only continuing to grow from there. Currently, 130 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: her Spotify monthly listeners are at about forty four million. 131 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, wow, I mean, it's just incredible and that's 132 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: just bound to grow. Every time I open TikTok it's 133 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: you know, another video about Chapel Roone. What do we 134 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: actually know about her listeners? 135 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: These forty four million monthly listeners, They are very dedicated fans. 136 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: These fans are extremely extremely hungry for a piece of 137 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: Chapel Roone, I think is the way to put it. 138 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: And it's all just been incredibly intense and fast. 139 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: And that's something that's come out this week because Chapel 140 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: Rone herself has issued a number of statements and made 141 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: a number of videos about the boundaries that she's looking 142 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: to set for herself as a public figure now who 143 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: has attracted this fame almost, you know, overnight. Talk to 144 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: me about what we've seen there and what it means 145 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: about kind of modern day fandom. 146 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: The level of fandom around Chapel Rone is reminding me 147 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: of kind of previous fandoms. It's reminding me of Beatlemania. 148 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: It's reminding me of the fandom around one Direction. The 149 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: way that very quickly, a very very dedicated fan base 150 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: has kind of sprung up. It's understandable that it would 151 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: make someone who as of April had about a million 152 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: fans feel very unsafe. So she said quote, I feel 153 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: more love than I ever have in my life. I 154 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: feel the most unsafe I have ever felt in my life. 155 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: It has been alleged that a fan found out her 156 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: family's address. Just very scary stuff with almost no time 157 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: to adjust to it. That has really reminded me of 158 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: another one of my favorite artists, Charlie XIAX, who might 159 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: say the same thing, that her entire life has changed 160 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: in the last few weeks. 161 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 2: Talk me through that. Why would she say that. 162 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: Well, so she's over a decade into her career, but 163 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: I would say that this year is the year when 164 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: she truly became a household name. And that is because 165 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: of her new album Brat, which even if you only 166 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: listen to ABC Classical, it has been impossible to escape 167 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: the phrase brat or Brat's Summer, And part of that 168 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: is because it became a meme, but it also is 169 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: just it's a very simple concept to grasp its confidence. 170 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: It's imperfection. It's just I'm a brat and I'm unapologetic 171 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: about that, and that's reflected in the music, it's reflected 172 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: in the aesthetics that she's curated. And it was so 173 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: graspable that the new campaign for new presidential candidate Karmala 174 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: Harris actually rebranded all of its social media to say 175 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: Karmala HQ in the style of the album cover of 176 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: b It is bananas to think that a possible future 177 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: president of the United States has had to be briefed 178 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: on Charlie XCX. 179 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: But I mean Charlie XCX and Chapel Roona almost opposites 180 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: in that Charlie XCX has had this really long career 181 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: that has certainly picked up with a whole lot of momentum, 182 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 2: but it has had that longevity to it, which I 183 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: imagine is very different to what was seeing wh chapel Roone, right. 184 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Chapelerone obviously had been working for a long 185 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: time to become famous, but the rise was so steep, 186 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: whereas for Charlie XCX, it's kind of a different model 187 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: of fame where it's it was much more of a 188 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: slow burn in terms of slowly increasing the size of 189 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: the venues she played, the number of people who listened 190 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: to her, the number of people who've heard of her, 191 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: going from quite niche to quite mainstream over the course 192 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: of more than a decade, with some other kind of 193 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: She also had like big mainstream moments in between, like 194 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: we would all know the song Boom Clap or the 195 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: song Boys, these kind of big pop moments interspersed throughout 196 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: a very long career that has now culminated in this 197 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: huge cultural moment of household name status. 198 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: Both of the artists that we have spoken about today 199 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: are international artists. Do we think that Australians can get 200 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 2: access to these sorts of steep rises to fandom or 201 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: do you think that's something that's uniquely held by those 202 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: outside of our very small country. 203 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: I'll start by saying that there are, of course extremely 204 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: successful Australian artists on the world stage. I mean, one 205 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: of Charlie XCX's collaborators, Troy Savonn, is on a world 206 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: tour right now and he's had some very significant kind 207 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: of viral TikTok moments with his last album Something to 208 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: Give each Other. And of course there's the kid Leroy, 209 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: who we really can't discount how incredible it is to 210 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: see a young First Nations kid who grew up in 211 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: public housing on the world stage like a really huge artist. 212 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: But when I consider, like, for example, how Chapel Rohn 213 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: came to fame, I struggled to see those pathways for 214 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: Australian artists. 215 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: Why is that? Is that because we know that festivals 216 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: were that important in her Riz or was it TikTok? 217 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: Like? 218 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: What do you think separates that from happening for an Australian. 219 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the festival aspect is so crucial. There's 220 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Australian festivals have shut down left and right, 221 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: and those ones that do exist, it's not as though 222 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: they are running live streams that people around the world 223 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: would invest in or want to spend time watching. Those opportunities, 224 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: to my eyes, just simply don't exist. It's also true 225 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: that Australian artists have to fight for space on the 226 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: Australian charts alongside people like Chapel and like Charlie. And 227 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: while TikTok is one way of kind of being a 228 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: democratizing force in the industry, it's not perfect. We saw 229 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: earlier this year Universal Music Group pulls all of its 230 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: artists music from the platform because of concerns around AI 231 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: and compensation and then put the music back. But for 232 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: some artists that had taken away the momentum that they 233 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: needed to launch an album successfully or you know, just 234 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: interrupted their flow. So it's not something that can be 235 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: TikTok can't be a load bearing presence in your career. 236 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: It can only be part of it. 237 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 2: I mean, I do want to end on that note 238 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: because I've learned so much about these artists because of TikTok, 239 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: and my question to you is do you think that 240 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 2: they could have achieved this success without TikTok? 241 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: To me, no, the way that I think about TikTok 242 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: in terms of the way that it launches music careers 243 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: is I think about TikTok is the new TV in 244 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: that sense, when we think about how the Beatles got 245 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: their US audience because they were on the Ed Sullivan Show, 246 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: which was watched by seventy three million people. The idea 247 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: of their being like a central kind of hub. I mean, 248 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 1: it's about the loss of the mainstream, right. TikTok is 249 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: the new mainstream. TikTok is the place where you and 250 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: successfully get seventy three million sets of eyes pointed at 251 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: you if you're lucky, and the algorithm works in your favor. 252 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: So that's how I think about it. But it's a 253 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: pretty blunt weapon. 254 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: It's really interesting and I mean a really challenging, but 255 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: I guess, on the flip side, hopefully exciting environment for 256 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: up and coming artists to be and to see the 257 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: growth that we have seen for so many artists. Lucy, 258 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: thanks for joining us today and thank you for tuning 259 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: into this episode of The Daily OS. This week we 260 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: covered a whole range of topics. 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