1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: It's The Happy Family's podcast with doctor Justin Coulson, the 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: podcast for the time Poor Parent who just Wants Answers 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Now Where Luke and Susie our husband and wife radio 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: team and the parents of three young boys. And today 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: we are talking about COVID nineteen. How do we as 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: parents navigate this? What do we communicate with our children? 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: We're all healthy and you obviously are as well, so 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: we can be in the same space. 9 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: We should maintain appropriate distance. Isn't it strange when we 10 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: see people we're not allowed to shake hands any It 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: feels so disconnected. 12 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, impersonal. 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 3: That's where my idea of actually greeting each other with 14 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 3: a famous dance move might really come into like it, 15 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 3: and so the macarena and the Chicken dance and the 16 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: nutbullsh I think it's going to take off. It's probably not. 17 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: Probably not, But this is an interesting time. And the 18 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: question I've heard going around a lot is how much 19 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: do we tell our children? 20 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 3: Now? 21 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: Obviously, there comes a maturity state with children where above 22 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: which they can hear anything and they'll be able to 23 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: process it and understand it in a good and healthy way. 24 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: But for those with younger children, well. 25 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: We're overwhelmed as adults in the midst of this, really. 26 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: Demonstrating that we're not quite sure how to handle it ourselves. 27 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: Kids are looking at us going, what are you buying 28 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: that much? Toilets play before? So? How do we navigate? 29 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 3: What are the things we need to consider in this justin. 30 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: There's a couple of different questions that you've asked. Luke, 31 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: you're asking how do you navigate it? And Susie you're 32 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: asking how much do we tell our children? So let's 33 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: talk about how much we tell our children first and 34 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 2: how to have the conversation, and then we can step 35 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 2: into the navigation concepts as well. So we have this 36 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: pandemic sweeping the globe, and our children are seeing our 37 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: anxiety and they're feeling anxious. So the first thing that 38 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: I would say is, please, you don't need to rush 39 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: out and buy three months worth of groceries. We have. 40 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's telling us we've got enough, will be okay. 41 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: We just need to take a big, deep breath, maybe 42 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: remembered that we live in an incredible country and we 43 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: do have enough. Just that one thing step away from 44 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: the whole panic buying, and that's going to change things. 45 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: The second thing I would say is to turn the news off. Really, 46 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 2: you don't. You're not going to be any better off 47 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: knowing or not knowing now that we know, and anything 48 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: that's important that you have to know, you will find out. 49 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: We don't need to be monitoring the news constantly. It's 50 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: doing our anxiety no good. As our anxiety increases, our 51 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: children see as being anxious. Therefore they think that they're 52 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: supposed to be anxious because we're anxious. We see them 53 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 2: being anxious, we think, oh, no, there's something the matter 54 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: about our child, and we become anxious about their anxiety, 55 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: and up it goes. Yeah, we've got to slow down. 56 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 2: I can't emphasize that enough. We've just got to take 57 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: a breath and remember what it is to be human 58 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: and to connect. The conversation, though regardless of the topic, 59 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: is essentially well, what have you heard? What are you 60 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: a little bit nervous about? What's somebody in the school 61 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: yard told you, or what's that person on social media 62 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 2: told you? Or what did you hear on the radio 63 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: or on the internet or on the TV that's got 64 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: you worried? And then we answer their questions to the 65 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: extent that they're curious. Okay, so a lot of parents. 66 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 2: I use this analogy all the time. Our child. When 67 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: our child comes to us in the kitchen and says, 68 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: do you mind if I have a glass of water please, 69 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: we don't turn on the fire hose and say open 70 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: up kids. 71 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: Oh, oh, okay, that's not what I'm saying. 72 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 2: No, we wander across and we turn on the tap 73 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 2: and we give them what they need, and if they say, 74 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 2: can I have some more please, we give them a 75 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: little more and that's it. We don't need to keep 76 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: going now. Now, this is a really important thing to 77 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: point out as well. If you don't know the answer, 78 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: don't make it up. 79 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: Ah. 80 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: Yes, And when it comes to COVID nineteen, we don't 81 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: know the answers, so just tell them what you do know. 82 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: What we know is that there's a disease that's going 83 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: around the world, and we're concerned that it could really 84 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: have a big impact on the health of people, and 85 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: so everyone's trying to isolate and stay away from people 86 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: and close things down so that too many people don't 87 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: get sick. I've talked to my kids about how you know, 88 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: the survival of the fittest is the way. A lot 89 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: of people might look at something like this, and I'm 90 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: suggesting to them this should not be about survival of 91 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: the fittest. This should be about protection of the weakest. 92 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: This is an opportunity for us to make sure that 93 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: we're doing the right thing so that people who are 94 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: not healthy and strong like we are are not going 95 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: to get sick because fingers crossed, we're probably if we're 96 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: in good nick, we're probably going to be okay. But 97 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 2: I've got a friend who's got a son who's got 98 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: cystic fibrosis, and talking to the kids about that, they go, oh, 99 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: that could be deadly. Yeah, And they're good people, and 100 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: we don't want them to suffer. So we need to 101 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: do the right thing. We need to wash our hands well, 102 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: we need to do the Dracula cough, lift up the elbow, 103 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: cough into the elbow like Dracula hiding his face. Just 104 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: these practical little things. So that's how I would do it. 105 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: I only answer questions to the extent that they're curious. 106 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: Always tell the truth. And if you don't know, the 107 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: answers say, I don't know, just focus on those. 108 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: Things with that. Is it detrimental to try and be 109 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 3: over dismissive and encouraging, will be fine, will be okay 110 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 3: in a sense where if everything else is panicking and 111 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: you're trying to say it's no big deal, and half 112 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: the time, even if you don't believe it, will say 113 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: that to our children to try and stop them from worrying. 114 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: Do we actually if we're lacking authenticity and actual genuine 115 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: honesty compared to how we feel, are we doing our 116 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 3: damage to our relationship with our children because they go, 117 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 3: I can't believe you. 118 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: Nobody wants to be dismissed. Everyone wants to be understood. 119 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: So if we transition from what you said, Susie, you know, 120 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: how do we talk to them? Well, we just had 121 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: the conversation to what do they need and how do 122 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: we manage this? I love my three ease of effective discipline, 123 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 2: and I love my three l's of what makes families happy, love, limits, 124 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: and laughter. I've come up with four hs. Oh yes, 125 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 2: the four ages are going to help us to navigate 126 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: this in terms of what do we do now with 127 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: our children. The first age is our children need to 128 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: feel heard, which means that we're not going to dismiss 129 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: them when they come to us and they're scared, or 130 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: they're anxious, or they're concerned. What we're going to do 131 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 2: is to them, Wow, this whole coronavirus things really got 132 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: you worried, hasn't it. Now that's not dismissive. We don't 133 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: have answers. We're not going to fix everything, but we're 134 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: actually I always say this, if you can name it, 135 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: you can tame it. If it's mentionable, it's manageable. Our 136 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: idea here is we lean into their feelings. We don't 137 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: tell them they're wrong for feeling what they're feeling. We say, wow, 138 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: with everyone pulling out of school, or with all the 139 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: talk that we can't go and do the normal activities 140 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: that would do. The school formals are being canceled, the 141 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: fates are being canceled in New South Wales, the Royal 142 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: Easter Show has been canceled. All this sort of stuff 143 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 2: makes you feel really nervous and worried, doesn't it. And 144 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: so we're hearing them, not just intellectually and through our ears, 145 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: we're hearing them in our heart. They need to feel heard. 146 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: The next thing that I think that they need is 147 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: they need humor. Like this is I can't believe how brilliant. 148 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: The creativity of people is when you look at the 149 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: just sensational memes that are out there about what Australia 150 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 2: is doing with their toilet paper, and how toilet paper 151 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: is going to correct us from the aunt A virus, 152 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: or what it means to be in isolation and can 153 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 2: you really expel your children from homeschool. 154 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 3: There's so much. 155 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: Fun creativity there. In fact, I asked my Facebook followers 156 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: to share their favorite memes that have come up as 157 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: a result of the coronavirus and the thread is hundreds 158 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: of comments long, and it's just so funny. Our children 159 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: need to recognize that we can be in the middle 160 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: of a global pandemic and still laugh and enjoy life, 161 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: because that's how you survive, right. Humor is how we 162 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: get through this stuff. 163 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: My favorite is the whole thing to if you're working 164 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: from home, then say something that your children have done today, 165 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: but refer to them as your coworkers and just the 166 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,559 Speaker 3: therapy that comes from. 167 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: Oh, I had to write one that said, my coworker 168 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: led me to the toilet to show me what he'd done. 169 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: It just makes you feel a little bit lighter about 170 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: attend situation. I love it. 171 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: Me too. So we've got we've got to hear them, 172 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: we've got to find an opportunity for human with them. 173 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: The next one that I think they really need so 174 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: that we can help them to navigate it and so 175 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: that we can navigate it as well, is find opportunities 176 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: to help. We are living in a community that might 177 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: have just gone a little bit bond because over the 178 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: last little while, I mean, if we could press reset 179 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: on twenty twenty, we probably all would push that button 180 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: and say, let's just hold it in for ten seconds, 181 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: reboot the whole thing and start twenty twenty again. Obviously 182 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: we can't do that, but there are people who are 183 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: around us who really need help. There are people who 184 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: are very afraid. Some of them might be elderly. Perhaps 185 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 2: you've got somebody in your church community who doesn't have 186 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: any nearby support. Maybe you've got somebody from your school 187 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: community or your neighborhood who just need some help. There 188 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: are people who are dropping little notes in people's letterboxes 189 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: and saying, hey, we live at number twelve. If you've 190 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: got anything that you need, because we understand that your 191 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: circumstances might prohibit you from going out, let us know 192 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: we're here to help, maybe take them a meal. I 193 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: know that there's issues with that at the moment, but 194 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 2: there's all sorts of different ways that we can help. 195 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: And what that does for our children is it helps 196 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: them to feel empowered when they know that they're not 197 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: a victim and they're not stuck, but they can actually 198 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: go out and make change for somebody else. They can 199 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: help somebody else in their lives. It gives our children 200 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: a sense that we can get through this. I think 201 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 2: that's profoundly important. And what it also leads to is 202 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: the fourth age, which is hope. The conversation that I'm 203 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: encouraging people to have right now is a hopeful conversation. Now, 204 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: I recognize that what I'm saying is very sensitive for 205 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 2: some people who might be about to lose a job 206 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 2: or might have already been laid off. The economy is 207 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: in a really scary place, and there's a lot of 208 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: fear around health and hospitals, and there's a lot of 209 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: reasons to be scared, let's be honest about that. But 210 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: there's also a lot of reasons to be hopeful. And 211 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: even if you do lose your job, well, that's not 212 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: the end, because right now the supermarket is looking for 213 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 2: five thousand people, please, so that we can feel It's 214 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: not perhaps what some people are dreaming of doing if 215 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: they were working in something else. But there's always hope. 216 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: Right now, there are people around the world who are 217 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: coming together to develop ideas and technologies and strategies to 218 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: literally change the way we will live into the future 219 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: as a result of this. The technology around schooling, the 220 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: technology around delivery of services. That the technology that's going 221 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: to be developed to make life better as a result 222 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: of coronavirus, I think is going to be extraordinary, and 223 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: humanity will be better in spite of the difficulties and 224 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: in some cases tragedies and devastation that this will cause. 225 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: Humanity as a whole will be better because of it. 226 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: If we can help our children to recognize the growth 227 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: that will come as a result of a terribly trying time, 228 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: what a powerful message of resilience we give to them. 229 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: So they're my big four, beautiful heard. 230 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: Make sure our children are feeling heard. Find humor. That's 231 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: our strength. 232 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 3: We've got one out of four a bad. 233 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: Helping people and hope in the midst of it. 234 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: I love it. 235 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Justin Coulson We're going to get 236 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: you back to talk more about this in the coming 237 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: days and weeks. 238 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: I think let's do it. 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