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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the sit down. I'm Viv Christi

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Speaker 1: of us joined Tennis Magazine and joined by Mattrolope of

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Speaker 1: ozopen dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Hey Matt, Hey Viv, how are you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm great. We had a really interesting chat this week.

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Speaker 1: We talked to a man who has worn many hats

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Speaker 1: in tennis. Tell us a little bit more about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were lucky enough to get connected with Brad Gilbert,

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Speaker 2: who was the consultant coach on the new Challenges movie,

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Speaker 2: and we spoke to him the morning after. He'd just

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Speaker 2: seen the film the night before for the first time.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, the timing was brilliant, and yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a very enjoyable chat.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear what he has to say.

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Speaker 3: Brad.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you and thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: joining us on the sit down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my pleasure. Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations on the upcoming release of Challenges. Yeah, we'd love

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Speaker 2: to chat to you about your experiences working on that

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Speaker 2: film because I know that you were pretty central to

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Speaker 2: getting the actors, you know, whipped up into shape and

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Speaker 2: getting their kind of tennis skills honed to appear on

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Speaker 4: It was a really unique experience, you know, it's coaching,

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Speaker 4: but in a different way.

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Speaker 3: Zendiah and Josh had very little tennis experience.

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Speaker 4: Mike had only played, you know a bit of high

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Speaker 3: Had to have a one handed back end, and you know,

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Speaker 3: challenge that's different about something like this. In a tennis match,

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Speaker 3: a lot of times you don't know what's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: It just kind of in this we had scripted points

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Speaker 2: We heard that Zendiah attended a college tournament and some

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Speaker 2: college matches with you and one of the one of

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Speaker 2: the actors studied me curiosis serve. I was wondering, like,

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Speaker 2: were ay your ideas being like, you should watch this.

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Speaker 2: This is a great basis for kind of like learning

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Speaker 2: it looks, or kind of yeah, how did that? How

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Speaker 2: was that kind of like extra research for the actor?

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Speaker 2: How did I arrive at that?

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Speaker 3: Well, my wife, who was involved in the project with me,

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Speaker 4: Of them a lot of different videos, and you know,

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Speaker 4: We knew it was patterned a little more after Roger Fetter,

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Speaker 4: after a Pete samples, Zandiah Tashi her character was a

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Speaker 3: So I think that when we went to the Pepperdine

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Speaker 4: Five, I think it was a really good experience for

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Speaker 1: Brad, who were some of the players that at SENDEO

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Speaker 1: watched that You said that you sent some videos, Well.

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Speaker 3: We sent a lot of videos of taller players, you.

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Speaker 4: biggest thing was the writer had written a lot of

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Speaker 4: so we're where you don't miss and then you.

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Speaker 3: Continue on with the points.

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Speaker 4: I think that helped all three of them a lot,

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Was there anything that surprised you about the process

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Speaker 4: I don't think you realize until you start filming that

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Speaker 4: And then when you start to rehearse and start to film.

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Speaker 4: You know, in Dennis and a match is in real time,

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Speaker 4: But when you're you're doing this type of work, Let's

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Speaker 3: Looking for different Another thing that is unique in Dennis

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Speaker 3: when you're watching a manage you're seeing the players and

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Speaker 3: So it's a different way. And the movie itself is

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Speaker 2: Brad, when did you see the final version of the

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Speaker 3: Well, I saw the final version last night at the

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Speaker 4: The writer strike, the actors strike, so that pushed everything behind.

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Speaker 4: But we did, my wife, I mean, we did a

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Speaker 3: The scoreboards were right from the open, the posters were right,

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Speaker 4: So we but we would see a ton of the

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Speaker 4: you know, I never saw the entire movie through, but

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Speaker 1: How stressful was the process compared to say, catching a

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Speaker 4: You know, probably the most ratifying experience was the three

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Speaker 3: So everybody's got to know and do their part.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. While we've got you here, we'd love to

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Speaker 3: Cocoa has a lot of resolve for a young player,

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Speaker 3: and she's learning how you know, what happened today doesn't

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Speaker 3: She's a great kid.

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Speaker 4: She literally has no shortage of I call doing what

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Speaker 4: Son then obviously that kind of makes you feel like, okay,

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Speaker 1: What's it been like for you, Brad working with one

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Speaker 1: of the world's top women after you've worked with some

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Speaker 1: of the great ATP players in Agacy, Erotic and Andy Murray.

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Speaker 3: Well, I told Zenzaia last night that, you know, somehow

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Speaker 5: For Coco in twenty twenty three. But honestly, if I'm

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Speaker 3: I would say, honestly, I've been blessed by a dire

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Speaker 4: You know. I love to commentate, I love the coach

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Speaker 1: Atenus and Brad, we have to ask have you worked

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing, and it's been so great just listening

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Speaker 2: we're thrilled that, you know, there's a movie that's getting out.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, appreciate it, and look forward to twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: five Osie Open. Yes, well, see so much, Brad.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Brad, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I loved hearing all the details of, you know, Brad's experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love that quality control he got to do. And

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think one thing that's kind of underrated

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that he's valued every

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Speaker 3: He does so much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome.

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