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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for.

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Speaker 1: The time poor parent who just once answers.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's hard to believe that December has arrived. Pinch

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Speaker 2: in a punt, punt, punt, pinchon a punk, honey, pinch

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Speaker 2: and a punch for the first of the month. Slap

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Speaker 2: on the back seat. Can't give it back. I can't

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Speaker 2: reach you, so I'm just saying it, which means that

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Speaker 1: App I can't slape you on the back.

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Speaker 2: No, that's right, broken back. I don't actually well, my

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Speaker 2: bat's you know what. It's better that you don't slap

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Speaker 2: me on the back, just to be safe. Hello, I'm

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Speaker 2: doctor justin Courslan here with my wife Marty, our six kids,

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Speaker 2: Kylie Misshappy Families every Friday. We I think we look

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Speaker 2: forward to this episode perhaps more than any other. It's

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Speaker 2: the episode where we talk about what's working in our

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Speaker 2: family and what's not as we try to get things

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Speaker 2: right at home. I'll do better Tomorrow is the idea

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Speaker 2: where we get intentional about our parenting and Kylie, I'm

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Speaker 2: excited for your story. I know where you're going to

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Speaker 2: go with this one, and I just think that there's

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Speaker 2: something revelatory here something really inspiring, not just for every

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Speaker 2: other family, but also for you. In your story today,

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Speaker 2: you told me what you're going to share, and I

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Speaker 2: got so excited. What happened this week that you nailed

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Speaker 2: that might help families who are struggling.

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Speaker 1: So Miss nine Emily, She's always struggled.

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Speaker 2: With food, strong opinions about food.

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Speaker 1: Food has been a really big challenge in our home,

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Speaker 1: and for the most part, we've been able to navigate

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Speaker 1: it quite easily. In the early days, the biggest challenge

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Speaker 1: was she would actually fixate on a specific food and

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Speaker 1: eat it so much that she would get bored with it,

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Speaker 1: and then you had to then go through the process

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Speaker 1: of trying to reintroduce new foods to her so that

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Speaker 1: she could find a new food. And that was problematic

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Speaker 1: in and of itself.

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Speaker 2: Cucumbers, Like, eventually she started going to the toilet and

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Speaker 2: it was like she's the cucumber in cu cover out.

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Speaker 2: That was kind of it, right, Like I was disgusting

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Speaker 2: the cucumbers salmon, and she won't eat this stuff now

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Speaker 2: it's so bizarre, And.

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Speaker 1: We go through these big phases where she just won't

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Speaker 1: really tricky when we get to that point where there

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Speaker 1: isn't any saved foods. And I've never actually heard of

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Speaker 1: the word save foods before, but I got to a

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Speaker 1: point last week where I just thought, every meal, literally

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Speaker 1: every meal is a struggle. And she is highly motivated

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Speaker 1: for very sugary foods and we don't usually have them

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Speaker 1: to a point where your kid's not eating anything where

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Speaker 1: you kind of think it's better than nothing. And so

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Speaker 1: I had almost got to that point where I just thought,

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Speaker 1: you know what, if she wants Coco Pops every morning,

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Speaker 1: morning because at least I know she's getting something in

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Speaker 1: know what, let's sit down and actually have a conversation

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Speaker 1: now that she's calm and she's quiet about the foods

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Speaker 1: So I sat down with her and I said, I said,

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Speaker 1: other thing that's tricky with Emily is she's not motivated

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Speaker 1: having a massive meltdown. And so I said to her,

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Speaker 1: response cocoa pops and a tellogs like she won't eat toast,

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Speaker 1: but you'll eat natellatoast. And I said to her, okay,

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Speaker 1: I said, well, are you up for an experiment? And

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Speaker 1: she said, like what? And I said, well, what if

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Speaker 1: we put down seven different breakfasts that you could have

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Speaker 1: and I said, and you can have cocoa pops and

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Speaker 1: have Natella toast today, and she was so excited about it. Well,

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Speaker 1: because she's nine and I give her independence. I didn't

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Speaker 1: actually oversee Ntella breakfast, but by the time I came out,

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Speaker 1: It was just different. And finally the crux of it

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Speaker 1: was that you made them pancakes, because that was on

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Speaker 2: Reached what ten o'clock horrendous.

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Speaker 1: It was a disaster. And when we finally got to

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Speaker 1: and she said, oh mum, she said that was not

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Speaker 1: still had challenges around food, but there is so much

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Speaker 1: And because it's on paper and it's been at her direction,

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Speaker 1: she's actually more able to meet those needs and open

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Speaker 1: to having the conversations around how our day is going

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Speaker 2: There is so much in this right need supportive parenting.

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Speaker 2: It's everything that I've written about in the parenting Revolution.

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Speaker 2: You build the relationship, you understand, you provide and support

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Speaker 2: autonomy by saying what do you think, but you also

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Speaker 2: develop a frame work or a structure, a way to

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Speaker 2: move things forward. And all of a sudden, we've gone

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Speaker 2: from fights every morning about food to oh, this is

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Speaker 2: a framework, there's a structure that has been self determined.

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Speaker 2: You've had some oversight because you're the wise parent who's

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Speaker 2: making sure that you're guiding the conversation, but ultimately our

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Speaker 2: daughter is making this decision with your gentle guidance to

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Speaker 2: pull all this together. I think this is a great story.

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Speaker 2: I guess the next step is how do we move

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Speaker 2: towards more meals that are going to tick the boxes

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Speaker 2: that lead to better outcomes, and how do we have

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the great thing about the structure that

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Speaker 1: her body feels when she eats foods that are less

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Speaker 1: the days where she started her day beautifully has meant

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Speaker 1: think that's been revelatory for her because she's recognizing it.

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Speaker 1: We've had lots of different discussions with her around calories

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Speaker 1: and just how her body works and how it needs energy.

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Speaker 1: Those calories provide her with the energy that her body

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Speaker 2: Structure builds competence. How do you feel about structure?

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Speaker 1: It works so well, what's your old do about it tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to share too, because I always do.

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Speaker 2: You can't, I can't help myself. But the first time

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Speaker 2: got hill starts nailed, hill starts. She's only done five

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Speaker 2: This week, I spoke to my sister Karina. She's the

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Speaker 2: which we've spoken about on the podcast a lot. Her

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Speaker 2: this is what my sister said. She said, I want

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Speaker 2: saying that in the funeral and thinking to myself, this

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Speaker 2: a little kid, you a big kid that walks into

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Speaker 2: mum or Hi dad. And when I think about what

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Speaker 2: for them and support them and love them, not to

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Speaker 2: as we go into the weekend, that we can just

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Speaker 2: And we've been like, no, that we won't.

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot to miss, and there is there is.

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Speaker 1: A lot to miss. Am I tired? Yes, I'm exhausted.

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Speaker 1: Family life is messy and hard and exhausting, but there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have the blessing that our kids are

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Speaker 2: coming home. We hope that there's some inspiration here to

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