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Speaker 1: a twelve million dollar grant into the Darwin Turf Club.

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Speaker 1: So he made this decision obviously yesterday after a partially

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Speaker 1: successful court challenge. The news came after Justice Judith Kelly

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Speaker 1: afford mister Damian Moriarty procedional fairness and acted outside his

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Speaker 2: Handing down the findings last year.

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Speaker 1: Now, in the statement that was issued yesterday, we know

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Speaker 1: that mister Richards said, as a result of his decision

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Speaker 1: own Supreme Court challenges. So what are the ramifications given

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Speaker 1: the fact that the Northern Territory government has changed the

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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line is the Chief Minister Natashaphiles

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Speaker 1: from Japan. Good morning to your Chief Minister.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now we will obviously get to that Japan troup in

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Speaker 1: just a moment. But the IKAK made the statement yesterday

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Speaker 1: What was your reaction by this decision by the new

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, I think that these questions would be placed

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Speaker 3: but equally, the parties that have been involved in court

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Speaker 3: matters have also agreed not to further progress that But

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Speaker 3: I have not been briefed on this matter. I'm going

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Speaker 3: this is a matter of the IKAQ and those individuals.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I understand that, and obviously he is the

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Speaker 1: What are those ramifications now? What is the government process

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, a couple of weeks back you saw the

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Speaker 3: this doesn't have any implications going forward. It would be

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Speaker 1: Well, look, the KAC Commissioner has said that he won't

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Speaker 1: like you've pointed out, there had to be a new

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Speaker 3: So Katie, I would have to be briefed on what

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Speaker 3: it means. The ICAC Commissioner chose to from his website

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Speaker 1: Can I ask, though, do we know or do you

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Speaker 3: I'm not aware of that decap and it would be

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Speaker 3: I think in answering that question, Katie, I can point

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Speaker 2: Still have faith in a body like the iye Cack.

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Speaker 3: Katie. I think they can. And I think that's because

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Speaker 3: And we've also reviewing that legislation that sets that office

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Speaker 1: Are you confident that all of those things that you

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Speaker 1: And when do you anticipate that that is going to

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Speaker 1: I'm very mindful of the fact that we are pressed

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Speaker 3: So, Katie has been warmly welcomed here in Japan. Yesterday

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Speaker 3: So for me, it's around projects and investment opportunities and

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Speaker 1: Now, speaking of major projects, we know that that Shiploft

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, with this project, fifteen million dollars will be

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Speaker 1: So is that one hundred million like a contingency in

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Speaker 3: We've been seeing with a number of contracts that have

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Speaker 1: Now, Chief Finister, has the government secured any of the

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Speaker 3: So now we've got the tender outer and those plants

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Speaker 1: Now, while I was away, I know that there was

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Speaker 1: some massive news around changes to the Northern Territori's hospitals.

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Speaker 3: So Katie, what the process will be is we'll work

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Speaker 3: It's about making sure that we have people in the

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Speaker 3: So Katie, they'll still have a position within help. It's

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Ministon, Natasha Files, we are going to

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