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Speaker 1: first day back at the new Dicks.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, we're in a brand new studio here and

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Speaker 2: the events of the weekend, we now feel heartsick. What

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Speaker 2: of the shopping mall. How can you not feel for those,

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Speaker 2: for the poor people and their families and everyone, We're

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Speaker 2: all feeling it. So we're going to talk about how

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Speaker 1: Also, the tribal drama will just beat for it, because

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Speaker 1: at times like these you just need to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely on our podcast you'll hear that. Also, away from that,

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Speaker 1: you've gotten news from the Golden Bachelor breakup the Golden

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Speaker 2: The Golden Bachelor, remember he on the US Bachelor he

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Speaker 2: was seventy four, fell in love with the seventy two

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Speaker 2: year old. Everyone thought it was wonderful. Three months after

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Speaker 2: their wedding vows, things have gone a bit south.

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Speaker 3: If they can't make it, who can I.

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Speaker 4: Think everything's going south.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Right now.

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Speaker 6: That a miracle of recording.

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Speaker 3: We have so many requests for them to do it again.

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Speaker 6: Mistress Amanda and miss Keller. Amanda doesn't work alone.

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Speaker 7: Friend is in a broom making the tools of the train.

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Speaker 1: I've heard them describe him as a drunken idiot.

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Speaker 6: The legendary part. Jonesy, Amanda the.

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Speaker 8: Actress, Congratulations, we're ready right now.

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Speaker 9: Josey and Amanda, you're doing a great job.

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Speaker 6: Anyone but selfie giant.

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Speaker 3: Now the time to hear good radio.

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Speaker 1: Sorry but it's a tu twist set and Amanda's shoot

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Speaker 4: Air to the Amanda, Well, Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm glad A tough weekend, it.

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Speaker 2: Certainly has I think we're in morning, aren't we. I

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Speaker 2: How everyone is feeling after what happened in Bondo Junction

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Speaker 2: over the weekend. We'll be talking about it throughout the morning.

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Speaker 2: I live in that area, and the first thing you

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Speaker 2: But you know what we're going to be. We'll be

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Speaker 2: touching on things throughout the morning. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: The mall is our safe space.

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Speaker 4: The mall is.

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Speaker 2: Our town square. Mums and babies, teenagers, everyone goes to

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Speaker 4: That's how we live. Now, how do we move on

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Speaker 2: We'll also talked to Joe Lamble, who's a psychologist, about

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Speaker 2: how we guide our kids through through this kind of event,

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Speaker 3: What do you think of the new digs?

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Speaker 4: We are in a brand new studio. We're looking over

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Speaker 2: Thinking I developing everyone a big hug in Sydney right now,

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Speaker 4: Over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: There's a song by the Mighty Buddy Boss Stones and

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of people that were tested, and

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, but we'll get through this. I will enjoy the

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Speaker 3: It's nice to be back. It's nice to see your smiling.

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Speaker 4: I know, nice to be back after holidays.

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Speaker 2: I did not expect that this would be what we'd

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Speaker 4: But your life spins on the head of a pin.

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Speaker 1: Brendan Jones, a friend of mine told me that that's right,

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Speaker 1: the Magnificent Seven.

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Speaker 3: We can't do anything until we do the Magnificent seven.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to question one?

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Speaker 1: Nice to be back, It's nice to be back in

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Speaker 1: I was worried when I got here this morning I

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Speaker 2: What happened, Well, my past didn't work. That's how you

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Speaker 1: Well in the week last week I dropped in and

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Speaker 4: Am I'm happy for it. I'm more than happy for it.

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Speaker 4: But this is exciting.

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Speaker 1: Know, it was like that Warner Brothers cartoon Morning Ralph Morning.

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Speaker 3: Frank, we don't see those little kids anymore.

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Speaker 4: Well, I for one of them. Are they still going

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Speaker 2: I've never worked in a big well, we've got a

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Speaker 2: We've got our own concierge in this building.

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Speaker 4: That's he's the building concierge.

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Speaker 2: But our radio network has its own concierge, Gordon Gordy.

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Speaker 2: It's all set up for sales, obviously, because it's all

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Speaker 3: See that building down there, that gray building that.

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Speaker 4: Are you not allowed to go near?

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Speaker 3: That's the old two S M Building.

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Speaker 1: Well, I went on a school et scourgeon in nineteen

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Speaker 3: That you could put a whole family on yeah.

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Speaker 2: They were the hero days of two sm and did

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Speaker 2: you say I want that chair on that.

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Speaker 3: Track, want that job. So now I'm looking over.

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Speaker 4: The bill and you've got the sideburns.

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Speaker 3: I could never grow a good side burn like yourself.

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Speaker 2: I know I've been very lucky. It matches my handlebar mustache.

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Speaker 3: Oh we have the make this to seven for you

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Speaker 3: seven questions. Can you go all the way and answer

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Speaker 4: Say, I hope everyone's doing okay.

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Speaker 3: And we're joined by Leah of Kirell.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Leah, Hey, hey.

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Speaker 2: Don guy, very well, thank you. He's question number one

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Speaker 4: Mean the movie and the movies?

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Speaker 3: Johnny Dumbo? Question?

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Speaker 11: That is it?

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Speaker 11: Really?

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Speaker 7: Question?

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Speaker 3: It's intelligence? There? Which vitamin is found in oranges and lemons?

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Speaker 12: Vitamin C?

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Speaker 2: This Lea brings you to question number three, the delightful

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Speaker 4: Rightly, here we go. What is this sound? Let's hear

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Speaker 5: Opening a door.

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Speaker 2: It's not opening the door, not opening a door. Let's

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Speaker 4: What is that secret.

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Speaker 6: Bloody red TV?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't mean you've just realized. I've seen the panic

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Speaker 4: Your equipment, Jmi Ri's gone.

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Speaker 3: Where's he going?

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Speaker 4: He's gone to Disneyland. I'm not even making that up.

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Speaker 3: That kid lives in Disneyland. Why is he going to Disneyland?

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Speaker 10: What he?

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Speaker 4: Goofy approved it? You've got his past? The CEO.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen wsm us here it one more time. They're not

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Speaker 4: What do I feel like? I'm having a wax hit podcast?

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Speaker 3: We have and we find ourselves at question number number three.

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Speaker 4: It's not so secret sound. Matt's in North Kellyville. Hello Matt.

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Speaker 6: And the good morning, Josie.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing well?

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Matt. Have a listen to this.

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Speaker 4: What do you think that is?

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Speaker 13: Sounds like peeling masking Tape's.

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Speaker 2: Peeling masking tape, and it makes me flinch every time

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Speaker 2: because it sounds like I'm getting waxed.

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Speaker 4: I do like to use masking tape for that. Is

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Speaker 4: there enough in the world? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Isn't there a wax?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Is that what you're supposed to do?

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Speaker 4: That's my mistake?

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Speaker 3: What are you just out of curios?

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Speaker 2: No, Brandon, Let's move on to question number four.

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Speaker 1: In the famous song by the band Cake, John McCrae

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Speaker 1: sings about wanting a girl with a short skirt and

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Speaker 13: A long jacket, yeah, girl, the short skirt?

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Speaker 4: Meal, Yeah, jacket.

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Speaker 2: We don't have time to play the word jacket there.

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Speaker 3: We've got no time. We're on commercial radio.

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Speaker 2: Question number five for you, Matt, which musical instrument is

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Speaker 6: Well, Homer calls it the saxomophone.

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Speaker 1: The saxophonees it is in sailing? Knots is a measurement

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Speaker 1: regarding as ship's what.

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Speaker 3: Matt?

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Speaker 4: Here it all comes home to roost for you.

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Speaker 2: Which major golf tournament is currently underway?

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Speaker 6: US Master?

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Speaker 4: It is done it, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations to you, Matthew, you have won the jam Packet's

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Speaker 1: all coming away A double pass to Sydney's Banksy exhibits.

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Speaker 4: That looks amazing.

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Speaker 3: I would like to go see that.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and sixty artworks, original prints, installations and more.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Banksy will be there? Who would?

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Speaker 4: Who would know? He's mister anonymously.

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Speaker 3: Up the back in the hoodie? Say jee? Who's very good?

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Speaker 14: Is it he?

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Speaker 3: Whoever? He might be that guy?

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Speaker 4: Some guy with a spray can and a wall.

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Speaker 1: You've also got to double past to the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four New South Wales Caravan Camping Holiday super Show. It

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Speaker 1: starts tomorrow and ends this Sunday at Rosehill Garden's Racecourt.

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Speaker 3: Get your tickets at super Show dot com.

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Speaker 1: Dot A and Jonesy demanded characters for you to color

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Speaker 1: in and some stale the pencils so you can color

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Speaker 1: in confidence.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything you'd like to add there? My man?

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Speaker 13: Well, thank you very much. I've just been a holiday's family.

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Speaker 6: Holidays for four weeks on my first day back at work,

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Speaker 6: so yeah, that's a very nice start to it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very well done, Matt, Thank you very well done.

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Speaker 9: Jonesy and Amanda gem Motion podcast like it.

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Speaker 3: I believe this is going to be our final time.

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Speaker 1: Show me what you've got coming through the Germanac, our

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Speaker 4: Did you look after it while we're on holidays?

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Speaker 3: I was checking it out.

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Speaker 4: Let me pick one?

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Speaker 3: Good to see that? Make the moon?

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Speaker 4: Here we go on this day.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty, Billy Joel released his hit It's Still

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Speaker 2: rock and Roll to Me?

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Speaker 4: Did you know that? That was his first number one single?

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Speaker 4: I don't thought Piano Man would have gone to number one?

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Speaker 4: No, why would I think that that's an a?

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Speaker 2: Beatles explored new territory with Yesterday and the Stones with

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Speaker 4: He's a quote from Billy Joel.

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Speaker 2: Did that mean that they became an adult contemporary group

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Speaker 2: suitable only for dentist's officers? No, they didn't stop them

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Speaker 2: from doing any of the trashy rock and roll stuff

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Speaker 2: that they did. Yeah, and if anyone knows trashy rock

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Speaker 2: and roll, I like to think it's Billy Joel.

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Speaker 1: And also Billy, you're in a dentist's office right now,

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Speaker 1: and this is right in your wheelhouse.

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Speaker 3: As you're getting your mole has worked on.

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Speaker 4: I'm getting his denches done, GM.

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Speaker 1: Wearing the new digs. And you went to make me

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Speaker 1: a cup of tea. But the hot water zip tap.

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Speaker 2: Zip TAP's not working. And they're the small things. Bring

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Speaker 2: a person like me undone.

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Speaker 3: The child luck is on.

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Speaker 4: Well, you said there'l be your child luck.

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Speaker 2: So I ran my hands all over it and pressed

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Speaker 2: all the buttons and all the things. It's still not working.

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Speaker 2: You're entitled to go and check it out for yourself

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Speaker 2: if you like.

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Speaker 1: I just remember at the last place they put up

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Speaker 1: tap because of you.

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Speaker 9: I know.

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Speaker 2: I was going to make myself a cold drink, changed

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Speaker 2: it at the last minute, and then want to make

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Speaker 2: and the roof of my mouth is still blistered. Eighteen

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Speaker 2: years later.

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Speaker 3: You had a bit of a Kadi Perry situation, and.

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Speaker 2: So there was a sign above it that said hot

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Speaker 4: What is that sign there?

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Speaker 1: I dare say, wherever there's this, I think of you

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Speaker 1: went paint live wires in here.

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Speaker 3: Did you do anything over your holidays? What did you do?

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Speaker 2: I went to the South Coast and I went up

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Speaker 2: to Brisbane to see my dad, who's ninety. He's doing

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Speaker 2: really well, but I don't want to wait too long

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Speaker 2: between visits.

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Speaker 3: Of course, did he ask about me?

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Speaker 4: He said, who's that fool you work with? And how

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Speaker 4: is he?

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Speaker 3: He loves me. I didn't do much.

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Speaker 1: I just hung around home. I came in here and

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Speaker 1: sure that everything was tickety boo except for the hot

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Speaker 1: tap we had our well, I just would have presumed

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Speaker 1: that you would have worked out the hot time.

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Speaker 2: Well, when we go to the next song, you go

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Speaker 2: and make me a cup of tea.

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Speaker 1: I know, but we have a new system now, We've

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Speaker 3: No of the radio station.

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Speaker 4: I don't care about that.

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Speaker 3: Jim y Ry has gone away on a holiday.

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Speaker 4: He's gone to Disneyland.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what idiot approve that. But one thing

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Speaker 3: that happened while I was on my holidays was our

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Speaker 3: local electure.

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Speaker 1: The seat of Cook has left, and so the new

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Speaker 1: Cook candidate, Simon Kennedy.

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Speaker 4: He did he win?

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Speaker 3: He won. He's a liberal guy.

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Speaker 2: So he's taken Scomo's place. So there'sther liberal persons come in.

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Speaker 3: Yep, Simon KENNI Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people who are saying he was a

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Speaker 4: Been near there.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't live in the shop, doesn't he Well, that's

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Speaker 3: not right.

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Speaker 4: I would want a shire.

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Speaker 3: He is on the cusp of the show.

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Speaker 4: What's the cusp of the show.

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Speaker 1: He's bayside around Congress, around Mindsy's area, I believe.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, is he shy enough for you?

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Speaker 1: Look, if he does the job right, if he organizes night,

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Speaker 1: anything like that, I'm okay. But I went there on

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Speaker 1: Friday and they are for the pre polling thing, and

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was even happy. I'm just wandering

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Speaker 1: through and they're all handing me the pamphlets, and then

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Speaker 1: I made the crack. I said, always the labor guy,

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Speaker 1: because there's no labor guy.

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Speaker 4: Didn't even run they know, And it's not worth it

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Speaker 4: for them.

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Speaker 1: So you had the Greens, the Save the Groper party,

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Speaker 1: the groper, the groper, the blue groper.

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Speaker 4: I thought the blue groper was at Gordon's Bay. That

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Speaker 4: they're everywhere because let's say, well, they'd save all of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course i'd like to save them. I think

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Speaker 3: they're great.

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Speaker 1: You're not allowed to spearfish and you can catch them

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Speaker 4: Is that their only policy?

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm pretty sure they save other animals as.

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Speaker 2: Well, but just save the groper if you vote for them,

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Speaker 2: do you you know, do they do the same sort

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Speaker 2: of municipal work that every other party.

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Speaker 1: Would, Well, i'd imagine, so, yeah, they'd have to check

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Speaker 1: your bins out how many gropers are in there?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're called the save the group

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Speaker 3: of people. Then there's the Libertarian Party.

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Speaker 4: What do they do?

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Speaker 3: They're just against woke everything that's woke.

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Speaker 4: And they didn't win in the ship.

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Speaker 3: Come.

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Speaker 4: I'm just going from by you.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny when I got to the man,

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Speaker 1: you know, and he said, do you have a good

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Speaker 1: reason for voting today?

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Speaker 3: Because I was voting out I hadn't even thought of

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Speaker 4: I was because you're a day ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was a stadion.

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Speaker 1: I went, I will be doing things on Saturday, and

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Speaker 1: he said, Oak made assistant format.

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Speaker 4: You could be more elaborate than that, I will be.

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Speaker 3: Doing things on Saturday.

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Speaker 9: And Amanda's shim Notion podcast.

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Speaker 3: Varlet OJ Simpsons.

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Speaker 2: Some might not say, interesting, isn't it he passed away

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Speaker 2: last week. I said to my twenty almost twenty three

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Speaker 2: he goes, hmmm. I thought, of course, why would he

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Speaker 2: know him only through sort of memes and references to him?

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Speaker 2: I guess on The Simpsons and things like that. But

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Speaker 2: is really conflicted as to how to eulogize him and

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Speaker 2: how to mourn him. Some people from the Football Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame have just all they've spoken about is his

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Speaker 2: incredible football achievements, and other people saying you can't talk

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Speaker 2: about that without mentioning he has been accused of two murders,

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Speaker 2: and when mentioning his death, how can you not mention

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Speaker 2: his wife, Nicole Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman, both

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Speaker 2: of whom were murdered. Many people believe by OJ Simpson.

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Speaker 2: He got off that charge he was in prison, but

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Speaker 2: I thought it was related to that he was found

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Speaker 2: so there he was found not guilty.

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Speaker 4: Remember the whole thing with the glove.

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Speaker 2: Yep, to the point where my husband, when he heard

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Speaker 2: that OJ died, isaid, one of his coffin fits him

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Speaker 2: like a glove.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember him doing the glove? Though he just

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Speaker 3: overegged the cal glove doesn't fit. Doesn't fit because my

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 2: His legal team was so wiy that he got off

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Speaker 2: found libel. But all that meant was he was found

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Speaker 2: guilty for the wrongful deaths of those people, ordered to

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Speaker 2: But years later he was convicted of armed robbery in

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Speaker 2: Vegas in a confrontation with sports collectible dealers at a

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Speaker 2: of that. He has passed away to battle with prostate cancer.

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Speaker 2: His family has said during this time of transition, his

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Speaker 2: privacy and grace. I don't know if he deserves privacy

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Speaker 2: and grace. A very mixed legacy. This man leaves a

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Speaker 2: lot of memes are going around. I saw one of

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Speaker 2: through the streets atop a white broncho.

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Speaker 4: And this is a.

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Speaker 2: Really interesting quote from David Zucker, who directed him in

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Speaker 2: the Naked Gun movies. He said, what a terrible actor

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Speaker 2: he was. He said, although he actually improved with each film,

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Speaker 2: his acting remained a lot like his murdering. He got

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Speaker 3: Varalet jem jam Na said, it's a free mon instance

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Speaker 3: and Amanda's boom. Ten questions, sixty seconds on the clock.

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Speaker 3: You can pass. You don't know an answer. We'll come

452
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Speaker 3: back to that question of time. But mean you get

453
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Speaker 3: all the questions right? One thousand dollars.

454
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Speaker 2: And you can leave with a thousand dollars. We're okay

455
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Speaker 2: with that, obviously, but would you like to try you

456
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Speaker 2: for two thousand dollars?

457
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Speaker 4: One bonus question, but it's double or nothing?

458
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Speaker 3: Would you? Would you? Or Jerry of Children and Queens?

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Speaker 13: Hello, Jerry, hi legend, welcome back.

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Speaker 4: That's good, Thank you, Jerry.

461
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Speaker 1: Our stick is no doubt broadcasting up to the sunny

462
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Speaker 1: state of Bings.

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Speaker 3: Oh my, you guys got the bear really good?

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Speaker 13: You've packed on the shire. How good was you on

465
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Speaker 13: the weekend?

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Speaker 5: Who points upper on top of all ladder?

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Speaker 9: Here we go.

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Speaker 4: He's talking about shut I know else, Come on, God,

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Speaker 4: I know, but.

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Speaker 2: It's true that it's true it was, but it was

471
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Speaker 2: such a challenging weekend. You do have to take your

472
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Speaker 2: your pleasure and your happiness where.

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Speaker 13: You can every day of the week. Command that's true.

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Speaker 4: All right, Jerry. Well let's see what we can do

475
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Speaker 4: for you. You know how this works.

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Speaker 2: Ten questions, sixty seconds. If you're not sure, say past,

477
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Speaker 2: we can have time to come back. Okay, not feel

478
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Speaker 2: anyway as we've seen, all right, Jerry, fingers crossed.

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Speaker 4: Here we go. Question number one? What month are we in?

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Speaker 10: We are in April?

481
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 3: My birthday?

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Speaker 4: Question two? A baby horse is called a what? Question three?

483
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Speaker 4: What flavor is ntella?

484
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 6: It's Hodler?

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Speaker 4: Question four? Mammals with pouches of what kind of animal

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Speaker 4: a half question? Five? True or false? We're not in

487
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Speaker 4: daylight savings time out. Oh no, that's true. Oh we've

488
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Speaker 4: come out of daylight savings. You know what horse.

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Speaker 3: We hated Queensland?

490
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Speaker 4: What's a baby horse called a bowl? A fole? And

491
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Speaker 4: a mammal with a pouch is a kangaroo or a mast?

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Speaker 4: Soup here respondent as.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jerry under a bit of a wet sail, bro.

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Speaker 4: Bucks fear groceries to be getting on the Hey, that's.

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Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with that.

496
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Speaker 13: Weird bonding, is it?

497
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Speaker 6: When Greensland?

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Speaker 11: Good on you, Jerry.

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Speaker 1: Gem Nations podcast and we come back to work with

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Speaker 1: heavy hearts today.

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Speaker 2: Our heartsore and half heart sick. I think is how

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Speaker 2: we're all feeling. What's that quote you like to quote

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Speaker 2: from the The Big Fish.

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Speaker 1: Song, Mighty Mighty Mighty buses the impression that I get

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Speaker 1: I'm not a coward, but I've never been tested.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so many people would test it on the weekend,

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Speaker 2: and this is what happens. In moments like this, we

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Speaker 2: see the worst and the best of humanity together as

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Speaker 2: well as thanking all the first responders. I thought Anthony

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Speaker 2: Alberanezi said it beautifully when he said start.

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Speaker 14: For whom this should have been a normal shift, shoppers

512
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Speaker 14: peacefully going about their lives. And yet for these Australians,

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Speaker 14: their first instinct in the face of danger was to

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Speaker 14: help someone else. That is what we hold on to

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Speaker 14: tonight as Australians. That's confirmation of who we are. Brave, strong, together.

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Speaker 2: So hard, So hard, isn't it. And that's my local

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Speaker 2: shopping precinct is Bondai Junction, Westfield. So the first thing

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Speaker 2: you do is check that all your ducks are okay

519
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Speaker 2: and make sure everyone's okay. And then all our friends

520
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Speaker 2: were all texting each other, Everyone okay, everyone's kid's okay.

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Speaker 2: Imagine sending out that sonar and not getting anything back

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Speaker 2: from a loved one, absolutely terrifying.

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Speaker 4: And this is what the all is for us. Now.

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Speaker 2: This is our town square and you can see why

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Speaker 2: mums and babies. You're trying to get your baby to sleep,

526
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Speaker 2: You're bored at home, You need to get out. That's

527
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Speaker 2: where your head. You head to the shopping center. Teenagers

528
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Speaker 2: meet up with each other in the shopping center. That's

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Speaker 2: where you have your retail there therapy, that's where you

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Speaker 2: de stress. That's where you wander around as aimlessly or

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Speaker 2: as aim fully as you like. And I wonder if

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Speaker 2: we'll ever feel about a shopping mall the same way again.

533
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Speaker 2: The sanctity of the shopping all, the right to take it,

534
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Speaker 2: to be so blase about wandering around a shopping mall,

535
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Speaker 2: has been taken away from us.

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Speaker 1: I've always felt, ever since the Stratfield massacre all those

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Speaker 1: years ago, I've always felt unsafe in shopping centers.

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Speaker 4: I always have since then.

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Speaker 1: Not unsafe, but I always feel when I go to

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Speaker 1: a shopping center, I thin't mosey around them. I go

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Speaker 1: there usually to get a gift for someone, and you

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Speaker 1: go into our shops that sells candles or.

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Speaker 3: Plates or something like that.

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Speaker 1: So usually it's largely women that I'm buying gifts for,

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Speaker 1: and you're in and out like I walk through there,

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Speaker 1: But I'm always very mindful of what's going on the

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Speaker 1: other During my holidays, though, there was a point where

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Speaker 1: I had to wait for my mum while she went

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Speaker 1: to the dentist, so I just wandered aimlessly around Miranda

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Speaker 1: Fair and I'm just wandering around, got a coffee, And

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Speaker 1: what you do when you're in those places, you go

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Speaker 1: into a fugue state where you're not really aware of

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Speaker 1: your surroundings.

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Speaker 3: You just sort of switch off a bit.

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Speaker 2: Which is what we love about the time we spend

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Speaker 2: in them all. Yeah, it's just switch off time.

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Speaker 3: And you do wonder if something like that had happened.

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Speaker 1: But as I said, you know, ever since what happened

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Speaker 1: at Strathfield Plaza all those years ago ago, it's always

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Speaker 1: played on my mind.

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Speaker 2: Also, imagine if we didn't have such strict gun laws.

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Speaker 2: Six lives lost in a horrendous dabbing frenzy, But imagine

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Speaker 2: if it had a gun. Oh god, I saw someone say,

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Speaker 2: well he was killed with a gun. Yes from an

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Speaker 2: armed professional. Yes, it wasn't an individual with If everyone

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Speaker 2: was armed, how chaotic that scene would have been.

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Speaker 4: How many more lives would have also lost.

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Speaker 1: It's been proven time and time again in America where

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Speaker 1: an arm shooter has gone into a place and there's

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Speaker 1: people with guns. But suddenly people just don't have the

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Speaker 1: stones to do it.

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Speaker 2: No, But also you don't know someone's got a gun.

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Speaker 2: Are you the assailant or are you the good guy

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Speaker 2: who knows?

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Speaker 3: But that police officer absolutely amazing. He's a guy with

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Speaker 3: the ballot absolutely.

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Speaker 2: The heroism of people has been extraordinary. Something else that

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Speaker 2: I find really that I know will be unpicked in

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Speaker 2: coming weeks, as it should be, is he targeted women.

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Speaker 2: We have an epidemic of violence against women in our

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Speaker 2: society at the moment. We don't know what his motives were,

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Speaker 2: but obviously of all the eighteen people who were stabbed,

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Speaker 2: thirteen were females.

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Speaker 4: What's going on there?

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Speaker 2: I was in Brisbane over the weekend and my nephew,

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Speaker 2: who's in his early thirties, mid thirties, he said he's

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Speaker 2: gone off Instagram and social media because his algorithm is

588
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Speaker 2: being fed with the assumption that as a white man

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Speaker 2: in his thirties, he wants to listen to Andrew Tate,

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Speaker 2: he's interested in Joe Rogan, which he isn't. And he's

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Speaker 2: getting a whole lot of anti trans, anti woke, so

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Speaker 2: called anti he's getting homophobic stuff. And he said, this

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Speaker 2: is what's being funneled to young men at the moment.

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Speaker 2: This is a much more wide ranging conversation. What an

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Speaker 2: interesting way of looking at this is what is social

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Speaker 2: media doing to the men in our society?

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Speaker 3: Zuckerberg has a lot to answer for, doesn't he really

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Speaker 3: when you.

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Speaker 2: Think about because they know what the algorithm is, they

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Speaker 2: tweak that algorithm. It's not just happenstance. It's not organic

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Speaker 2: in any way, Hi and Mighty.

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Speaker 1: You can't have a breastfeeding mother on Facebook, but you

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Speaker 1: can have a guy doing a live show.

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Speaker 2: And you have to have rules if you're going to

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Speaker 2: be a publisher. But he sometimes gets somehow gets around

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Speaker 2: that that it's not under the guys. That isn't a

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Speaker 2: publishing platform. But someone's got to be in charge.

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Speaker 3: And this is free speech, but it's not really, it's

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Speaker 3: the outlet.

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Speaker 2: It's targeted. It's absolutely targeted. How are you all feeling?

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Speaker 2: I mean, we need a collective hug, We need it.

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Speaker 2: And for the people who were there, horrendous. And also

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Speaker 2: there are mental health professionals who are going to be

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Speaker 2: there working with the staff at Bondi Junction. But even

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Speaker 2: if you weren't actively involved on the weekend, certainly this

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Speaker 2: triggers a lot of response from a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: the idea that the mall is no longer sacred to

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Speaker 2: us or a safe space. One of the girls who

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Speaker 2: works with us, her sister was traveling overseas and was

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Speaker 2: part of a terrorist moments. Incidents like this yesterday have

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Speaker 2: triggered emotions for her. Is everyone okay, what is it

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Speaker 2: you'd like to talk about regarding this?

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Speaker 4: Use us? This is the ultimate tribal drum.

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Speaker 3: It really is beading for you.

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Speaker 1: Basis nice to be back, it's nice to be in

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Speaker 1: the new digs, but it certainly has been soured by

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Speaker 1: what happened at Bondo Junction on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Oh, just so hard to process, isn't it that in

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Speaker 2: the space of an hour your life can spin on

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Speaker 2: the head of a pin. It's true, so many people

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Speaker 2: were caught up in it, so many people saw it,

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Speaker 2: people who weren't even there. As you do react to

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Speaker 2: how that would be, how it would feel. Everyone knows

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Speaker 2: someone who's going to be affected in some way, even

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Speaker 2: if remotely. This stuff triggers a lot of stuff for people.

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Speaker 2: On our social media, we do have all the numbers

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Speaker 2: for Lifeline for Kids' helpline reach out if if you

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Speaker 2: need help, please yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the tribal druma right now, this is what the

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Speaker 1: tribal drum is for, and it's beating. It's just how

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Speaker 1: are you doing right now? What's happening in your world?

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Speaker 1: Charlie has joined us.

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Speaker 3: Hello Charlie, Hey go Matte.

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Speaker 6: I'm just going to say life is fragile, life is precious,

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Speaker 6: and life at times can be unpredictable. But and I

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Speaker 6: feel sorry for the people who were at the mall.

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Speaker 6: And also I was going to say, for people who

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Speaker 6: ran in terror, do not feel that you were gutless,

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Speaker 6: don't feel that you were doing the wrong thing, and

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Speaker 6: don't have remorse of saying, oh I should have done

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Speaker 6: this or should have done that. It's a you know,

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Speaker 6: I mean, sometimes there's fight and flight, and you know,

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Speaker 6: it takes for the people who did what they did.

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Speaker 6: It does take courage, and it does take stepping out

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Speaker 6: of it. But it's a normal reaction to be a

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Speaker 6: person who who would run. I mean, I probably do

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Speaker 6: the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned that, Charlie, because I thought that too.

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Speaker 2: We talk about the heroism of people. To be a

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Speaker 2: survivor through any of those experiences is to be a hero,

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Speaker 2: to protect your family and run. It's absolutely, Charlie, there's

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Speaker 2: everyone who was there is a hero.

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Speaker 3: And to reiterate those words, I'm not a coward, but

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Speaker 3: I've never been tested. You never know when it comes

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Speaker 3: down to it.

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Speaker 4: But there was no cowardice in any of them.

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Speaker 3: And there's none. There's none of that. There's none of that.

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Speaker 4: That's a good reminder, Charlie.

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Speaker 3: Charlie, thank you for your call. Tanya's joined us as well.

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Speaker 7: Hello Tanya, Good morning, Jane and Amanda.

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Speaker 4: How are you going.

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Speaker 5: I'm heart sick, My heart hurts from the events of

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Speaker 5: the weekend. But what I wanted to talk about, and Amanda,

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Speaker 5: you've touched on it several times this morning about seeking help,

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Speaker 5: you know, through Lifeline and Kids Helpline and so forth.

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Speaker 5: I'm highly highly that media outlets are publishing photos of

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Speaker 5: the deceased perpetrator. We all saw that photo of that

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Speaker 5: that father who shielded his two young kids with our imaster.

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Speaker 5: They wouldn't be scarred by the events of what occurred

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Speaker 5: on the day. And our media outlets are publishing photos

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Speaker 5: of the deceased perpetrator. It is disgusting.

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Speaker 2: Do you make a very good that's right, you make

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Speaker 2: a very good point. And also through social media, the

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Speaker 2: family of Ashley Good have had to say we have

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Speaker 2: released a photograph you can use. Please don't just mine

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Speaker 2: her social media and use all these photographs of her,

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Speaker 2: this is a very hard time for us. Do not

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Speaker 2: just print these photographs of our loved one, please, it's

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Speaker 2: the duty of care hasn't been there. But you make

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Speaker 2: a very good point, Tanya. We have seen a deceased

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Speaker 2: perpetrator lying on the floor on the ground, very distressing

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Speaker 2: images and we do have to be careful. We're going

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Speaker 2: to be talking to Joe Lamble later in the show.

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Speaker 2: She's a psychologist. She's going to talk to us about

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Speaker 2: how we help our kids through the trauma of what's happened.

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Speaker 9: Jonesy and Amanda Gamation podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to make this show.

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Speaker 11: It's sweet.

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Speaker 6: I'm only going to stand on.

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Speaker 3: Hello there.

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Speaker 1: We are back to work and we come back to

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Speaker 1: work with heavy hearts as the city griefs with what

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Speaker 1: happened at Bonda Junction on Saturday, an area you and

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Speaker 1: I are both for me with we worked in that

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Speaker 1: particular building. I spent a lot of times just wandering around, well,

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Speaker 1: that's particular space.

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Speaker 4: That's where I've always socialized.

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Speaker 2: When my kids go, that's where you hang out the more,

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Speaker 2: that's where mums and babies go, That's where that's where

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Speaker 2: you live your life. A lot of the time and

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Speaker 2: this the safety and the sanctity of that has been

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Speaker 2: stripped away from us. It's everyone's reeling and.

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Speaker 3: What I find with these things, it's usually good just

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Speaker 3: to talk it.

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Speaker 1: Originally, when the tribal Drum came to four all those

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Speaker 1: years ago, it was after September eleven because people wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk about what's going on, and certainly that hasn't changed.

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Speaker 1: And you can call us right now if you like

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Speaker 1: thirteen WSFM, like Robert has done.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Robert, Hi, how are you doing great?

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Speaker 4: How are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: Robert?

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Speaker 13: Personally, I'm actually feeling okay. But the story that I've

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Speaker 13: got years we were going to go to the supermarket

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Speaker 13: on the Sunday morning after the event, and we exerted

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Speaker 13: some shopping for a birthday. And I have a nine

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Speaker 13: year old son who did get to see some of

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Speaker 13: the news from, you know, from what had happened, you know,

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Speaker 13: although we tried to sort of shelter him a little

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Speaker 13: bit away from that. But his words were when we

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Speaker 13: said we were going to go to the shopping center,

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Speaker 13: was I don't want to go to the shopping center.

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Speaker 13: I don't want to get stabbed. O.

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Speaker 4: God, I think you're probably not the only parent who's

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Speaker 4: dealing with that. Robert. We are going to be talking

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Speaker 4: to Joe Lamble today.

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Speaker 2: She's a psychologist about exactly this, about how we help

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Speaker 2: our children navigate their fear about going outside again.

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Speaker 4: And to the main community area, the shopping center. It's tough.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Robert, Thank you, Robert.

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Speaker 3: Rebecca has joined us as well.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Rebecca, Hi, how are you going?

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Speaker 15: How are we?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: I'm okay. So what my feelings are? I don't want

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Speaker 15: taken in a negative way. But he was obviously targeting women,

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Speaker 15: as we know, which is horrific, devastating for everyone. But

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Speaker 15: I can't say, I can't really find the right word.

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Speaker 15: It's not going to find solace or but I find

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Speaker 15: it kind of a bit fitting that it was a

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Speaker 15: female that ended the whole situation. Yeah, when he was

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Speaker 15: targeting females and for me is a email life found

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Speaker 15: it kind of yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It almost felt like a movie script, didn't it. That's

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Speaker 2: a solo female police officer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And we forget police are people as well, but

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Speaker 1: they have to make the decision when it counts. But

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Speaker 1: then you look at the two different fields of policing.

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Speaker 1: You had that guy that tasted the old lady down at.

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Speaker 3: The nursing home.

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Speaker 1: You know what, where's his thought process when he did that,

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Speaker 1: compared to this copper here who has stepped up at

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Speaker 1: the right time, made the right decision. So we a

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Speaker 1: lot of us think our police, you know, you just

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Speaker 1: got to do that job. But there is a decision

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Speaker 1: that you have to make it. And there was a

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Speaker 1: point where she said drop it. He didn't drop it,

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Speaker 1: and he shot her or she shot him rather and

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Speaker 1: and that's how it works.

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Speaker 2: And then had to race to try and resuscitate him

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Speaker 2: because that is what the training is as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the extraordinary scenes and what an extraordinary police officer she is.

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Speaker 3: And Caitlin's with us.

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Speaker 12: Hi, Caitlin morning jointing And Amanda, how are you going?

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Speaker 12: Oh I'm coping.

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Speaker 7: I wasn't anywhere near.

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Speaker 12: But one thing I did want to bring up. There's

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Speaker 12: been quite a bit of research which has happened around

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Speaker 12: playing Tetris after from what traumatic events to stop or

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Speaker 12: to reduce the long term impact on people.

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Speaker 4: Tetris Tetris tetris.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, So the idea is that it's you're still within

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Speaker 12: the window where it's going to help. But the idea

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Speaker 12: is that you after something really bad happens, you play

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Speaker 12: a game of Tetris and the process of playing Tetris

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Speaker 12: helps your brain process it in a way that helps

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Speaker 12: reduce the chance of it becoming PTSD or becoming one

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Speaker 12: of those really bad call memories which you know sneaks

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Speaker 12: up on you and bashes you overhead when you least

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Speaker 12: expect it.

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Speaker 4: That's really interesting.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it came out of a Swedish medical institute, has

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Speaker 12: been worked on by people at Oxford. There's now they're

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Speaker 12: now doing studies at the Queen's University in Belfast looking

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Speaker 12: at trying to help parents whose kids end up in

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Speaker 12: MIKU because they end up with a lot of trauma

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Speaker 12: from their experiences. So for people in Sydney, whether you

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Speaker 12: were there or not, if it's probably a good idea

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Speaker 12: to go online. There are free Tetris or Tetris X

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Speaker 12: esque games around. Play a couple of rounds just to

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Speaker 12: help your brain figure out the craziness that we've been through.

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Speaker 12: Because you know, this is an entire population trauma and

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Speaker 12: whilst there's no substitute for if you're really feeling it,

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Speaker 12: going to see a psychologist or talking to Lifeline or

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Speaker 12: Beyond Blue. It's a small step which costs you nothing

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Speaker 12: apart from time, which can actually help your brain end

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Speaker 12: up in a better place than it would be otherwise.

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Speaker 4: Caitlyn, that is so interesting.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: And as Caitlin says, if you do need help with Lifeline,

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Speaker 2: Kids Helpline, Beyond Blue, all those numbers or on our

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Speaker 2: social media, is that.

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Speaker 3: Why you play word all all the time?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 4: I wonder if it's interesting though.

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Speaker 2: She said that tetras in particular, there's something about how

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Speaker 2: you process that that helps your brain.

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Speaker 3: Jones Podcast, I feel like we need to drink.

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Speaker 1: Let's get on down to the Jersey demand of answer

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Speaker 1: the pub test and today this is something that a

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Speaker 1: little bit of change your pace backing into car spots

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Speaker 1: does it pass the pub test?

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Speaker 4: I saw this being debated on x or Twitter. Interesting.

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Speaker 2: If you're driving a car Brendan and you're in a

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Speaker 2: shopping center, do you go in forwards or back?

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Speaker 3: Which way do you want me to go in? I

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Speaker 3: could do anything. I'm like this fast and the furious.

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Speaker 4: In a park you just spin around and it just

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Speaker 4: happens to land in there.

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Speaker 3: I usually drive drive straight, in. I knows it.

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Speaker 4: That's harder, I think than backing in in a shop center.

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Speaker 3: If you're backing in, then you hold it up everyone

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Speaker 3: that's going past usually, but.

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Speaker 2: You can't always going forward in one smooth movement either.

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Speaker 2: This is interesting though. This is the chat online was

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Speaker 2: around people who are frustrated on both sides. People are

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Speaker 2: annoyed about people driving so close behind them when they're

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Speaker 2: trying to reverse into a spot, and other people are

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Speaker 2: annoyed that, hang on, why are you being so entitled

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Speaker 2: that you're holding us all up to reverse into a spot.

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Speaker 2: I would prefer to reverse in because it means going

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Speaker 2: out is easier. So you go to hold up traffic

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Speaker 2: one way? Why don't you you know why people all

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Speaker 2: complaining one way or the other. You've got to go

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Speaker 2: nose in or come out my speak English.

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Speaker 3: Are going to get there, going to get you.

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Speaker 2: I find it's easier to reverse in, it's easier to

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Speaker 2: leave that way, but going in those wise still isn't

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Speaker 2: an easy maneuver.

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Speaker 3: Ie part.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a bad party. You have these incredible tropes

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Speaker 4: about how bad I am at driving. I'm actually a

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Speaker 4: very good driver and a very good part.

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Speaker 3: Did you hear me say the words that you are

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Speaker 3: a terrible driver.

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Speaker 4: You infer that with your irony.

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Speaker 3: There's no irony about it. What do you do?

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Speaker 4: We're going to call it this backing into car spots?

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Speaker 4: Does it pass the pub test?

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Speaker 2: Jam Nation, Well, we're all debriefing about the events of

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Speaker 2: the weekend at Bondi Junction. How we respond in these situations?

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Speaker 2: How should we respond? What can we learn from what

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Speaker 2: has happened. Scott Taylor is a security expert. He's trained

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Speaker 2: alongside the world's leading security experts, including the former head

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Speaker 2: of the FBI Behavior Unit.

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Speaker 4: Scott. Hello, just lean into your microphone. There a bit better.

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Speaker 10: There we are.

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Speaker 4: We're in a new studio this morning.

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Speaker 16: And a beautiful studio it is.

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Speaker 3: Are you on there?

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Speaker 4: He's on here, we are Scott.

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Speaker 2: You were in Bondai Junction yesterday and you spoke with

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Speaker 2: people who'd been part of what went down.

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Speaker 4: How are they all going?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: I mean when you're there on site, you were seeing

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Speaker 16: people coming in. It was the first time they had

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Speaker 16: to physically reconcile with what occurred. So you saw that

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Speaker 16: they would come in and it would physically hit them.

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Speaker 16: They would stop and they'd see the crime tape around

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Speaker 16: the areas that they'd normally go on a weekend, So

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Speaker 16: I mean, people are hurting.

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Speaker 2: We took a call from someone earlier I thought made

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Speaker 2: a really interesting point. We talk about the heroism of

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Speaker 2: people on the day, and it's very easy for some

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Speaker 2: people maybe to feel did I do enough? But just

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Speaker 2: surviving a day like that is doing enough?

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Speaker 3: Oh one d percent.

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Speaker 16: I mean the thing is, I know we'll talk about

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Speaker 16: the heroism of the people that responded, but for their

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Speaker 16: parents to be able to under that level of stress

893
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 16: and duriss to make some smart decisions and to be

894
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 16: calm and to evacuate the families the way they did

895
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 16: is straight courage.

896
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: When you look at the footage of what happened on Saturday,

897
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: what do you glean about this perpetrator and what can

898
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 2: we learn.

899
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 16: Well compared to I suppose what would be said as

900
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 16: a traditional or active armed defender, Normally they are trying

901
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 16: to just get to as many people as possible and

902
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 16: trying to get as many victims as possible. But he

903
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 16: had some element of of target selection. You'd see there

904
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 16: were some people he would choose not to engage with,

905
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 16: And I suppose drilling down a bit further than that.

906
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 16: You saw when some of the males would turn around

907
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 16: and even just turn to face him, not be aggressive,

908
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 16: just put their hands up. He wouldn't even make eye contact.

909
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 16: So that's showing some level of awareness and target selection there.

910
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 16: So that's why it reiterates the point about him trying

911
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 16: to either target females or to people that just he

912
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 16: thought would not be more of a threat to him.

913
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: And we're presuming mental illness.

914
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: Schizphrenia has been bandied about a bit, but there's a

915
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: lot of schizophrenic people that walk among us that don't

916
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: stab people.

917
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

918
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 16: And the other thing even the presence of mind with

919
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 16: things like you see some of the footage when he's

920
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 16: on the escalator, he's got his hand on the handrail,

921
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 16: he's making some elements of conscious decisions there. Has had

922
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 16: some mental presence about the things that he's done, and

923
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 16: I think that's some of the other thing that's been

924
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 16: a bit more jolting for people about that he appeared

925
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 16: calm in some of the footage that.

926
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: We've seen, because you'd expect someone in the midst of

927
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: a frenzy to not look like a normal, calm human.

928
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct.

929
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 16: And the thing is the whole process that occurs and

930
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 16: with the response processes that we talk about as well.

931
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 16: We say, in these type of circumstances that you want

932
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 16: to try and we go through an escape hidetel and

933
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 16: the whole process of it that is slowing down people's

934
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 16: access to get to more people. And because that is

935
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 16: traditionally what will happen. And yeah, like I said, it

936
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 16: was just different behavior than what you would expect from

937
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 16: that type of frenzied or crazy attack.

938
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: If you do come across a similar situation. Because a

939
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: lot of people are thinking, how to ever go back

940
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: to a shopping mall? What should is there something we

941
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: can be thinking of to be useful?

942
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean those three words escape, hidetel and in

943
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 16: that order and from the escape point of view, I

944
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 16: suppose what we would say is escape whether it's for

945
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 16: a firearm or with an edge weapon, so escaping, staying down, low,

946
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 16: and escaping. But don't just think the traditional exits because

947
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 16: for example, if this wasn't an edge weapon, if this

948
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 16: was what was a firearm, then you're going to be

949
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 16: thinking any exit you can, whether it's staff exits, loading docks,

950
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 16: staying down low and moving from cover to cover, which

951
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 16: is important cover so you're not being seen, but also

952
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 16: depending on if it was a firearm attack, hardcover to

953
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 16: protect you as well. So I know it's not the

954
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 16: sort of thing that we would like to think about.

955
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 16: But the other thing I think that's important is about

956
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 16: being aware, situational and environmental awareness. I mean, sadly we're

957
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 16: just not generally aware of what occurs around us. That's

958
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 16: why they've got text wild walking lanes in various countries

959
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 16: because people are watching their phones and not what's around them.

960
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: And have you found, like I have, just people just

961
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: not engaged with they're walking around.

962
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: They're just sort of kid the other day just on

963
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: his phone, just walking across the street and I'm thinking,

964
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, you're not aware of.

965
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: Anything but at the mall.

966
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: That's the pleasure of being at the mall. If you

967
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: can leave your brain in a jar, that's what's disappeared

968
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: from this.

969
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 3: But I don't think you can be Can we not

970
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: live like that? Scott?

971
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, if I suppose the way that I

972
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 16: would like things to be is that we don't have

973
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 16: to live like that. But the fact that I think

974
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 16: there's a key element of awareness here, and so I

975
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 16: recommend things like walk around with one headphone not too

976
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 16: so you're actually aware and of what's going on around

977
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 16: you look up from your devices as much much for

978
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 16: the good relationship in dynamic. If you're looking up, you're

979
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 16: more aware, you're seeing things going on, you're having better communications,

980
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 16: but you're also picking up with there's some negative things

981
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 16: occurring around you because you saw some times there that

982
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 16: I think the footage that's being shown regularly about when

983
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 16: the offender is going through the area and approaches a

984
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 16: couple of people, it's the kids that you see turn

985
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 16: and see first, just at the end of that frame,

986
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 16: before even the parents are were more aware.

987
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

988
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 4: So after this horrendous event, what do we come away with?

989
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 16: I mean, firstly, I think what we need to come

990
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 16: away is that the focus that under pressure some people,

991
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 16: That the bravery of people and not just the first responders,

992
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 16: the everyday person there. And probably something that's really stuck

993
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 16: with me and with everybody is the photo of the

994
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 16: father leaving with the two kids and he's covered their

995
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 16: eyes and ears. That's showing mental presence, not just about

996
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 16: let me get you out of here, but let me

997
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 16: twine protect you from every sensory element of what's occurred.

998
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 16: I think the other thing I think to take out

999
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 16: out of this is that, unfortunately, regardless of you know,

1000
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 16: I know there's gonna be some talk about the mental illness,

1001
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 16: is that there's also some people whose moral compass isn't

1002
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 16: aligned with ours and that's hard to reconcile. And so

1003
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 16: as a result of that, we just need to be

1004
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 16: to be present and aware. And it's also a time

1005
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 16: that we just need to be really supportive of each other.

1006
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 16: And I know you're speaking to somebody later on today

1007
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 16: about that.

1008
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do have Joe Lamble coming who's absolutely fantastic,

1009
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: and su'll give us some tips on how to negotiate

1010
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: stuff with the little ones at home.

1011
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 3: But Scott, thank you for joining us.

1012
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: If you want to find out more, head to Praise

1013
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: presadiumgroup dot com dot are you Scott Taylor?

1014
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks very much.

1015
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 16: Great to speak with you.

1016
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 3: John de Manda, gem Nation. Hello, it's Jonesy demanded here.

1017
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: It's nice to be back and the new digs here

1018
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: in North Sydney.

1019
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: Very nice, isn't it. Do you remember you've moved on already?

1020
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: What do you mean?

1021
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: Well, you do. It's very nice, isn't it there? Now

1022
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: you've just moved on, Jommy.

1023
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: Looks what on you look at the back of my

1024
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: head while I look out the window. Well, and now

1025
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm swinging back because I've got things to talk about Brendan.

1026
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: That's been going on since we've come into this new building.

1027
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: I've got to samiriize myself with all this equipment that

1028
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 1: jim y Raie usually uses.

1029
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 4: He's having holiday in Disneyland.

1030
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: The kid's life is Disneyland. So someone authorized that he

1031
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: goes to Disneyland when we've moved to a new building.

1032
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 4: Goofy, Goofy arranged it that, you know, did you sign

1033
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 4: the forms?

1034
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 15: Well?

1035
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: Look, one of the things I do want to talk

1036
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: about is the Golden Bachelor.

1037
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 4: Do you remember this.

1038
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: This is the latest incarnation of the Bachelor in the States,

1039
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: and they turned the genre on its head a bit

1040
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: because love isn't just for the young, as we know.

1041
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: We had Jerry Turner, seventy two, looking for love. He

1042
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: said he hadn't actually dated a woman since his wife

1043
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: died forty five years ago, and he was a very handsome,

1044
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: well put together, older gent.

1045
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: He's seventy two. Yeah, wife died forty five years ago. Well,

1046
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: that's quite the dry spell.

1047
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: Well he did well.

1048
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: Interestingly, after the show ended, a woman came forward saying

1049
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 2: that she'd gone out with him for two years and

1050
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 2: their relationship had started a month after his wife died.

1051
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: So it's not quite the narrative that he was hoping

1052
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: would be told about him. Well, he found love on

1053
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: The Golden Bachelor. He found love with Teresa Gist is

1054
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: it gist? Gist? I get the gist now, nist, it's

1055
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 2: nist Theresa nist, it is toname. And so he knew

1056
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: straight away that she was going to be the one.

1057
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: She's seventy years old, he's seventy two. She was another

1058
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 2: glamor pot looking very attractive. Couple of these two were.

1059
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: But everyone loved the idea of what this did to

1060
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: the Bachelor franchise. It showed that older people are still

1061
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: looking for love and can find love together. So they

1062
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: actually got married. Not just did they find love, but

1063
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 2: Jerry and Teresa got married.

1064
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 10: Oh, I promise to be your calm and a storm,

1065
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 10: to comfort you when you're sad, to laugh with you

1066
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 10: when you're happy, and to stick with.

1067
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: You throughout at all And we have a trust that

1068
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: cannot be broken.

1069
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: You may kiss your ride, keep your teeth in. So

1070
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: he says, we're going to stick together through thick and thin. Sadly,

1071
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: three months later, they've announced their divorce. Not only that

1072
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: they're breaking up, they've announced a divorce. So they went

1073
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: on television. They said that, well, things hadn't worked out.

1074
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: For one thing, they're not living in the same city.

1075
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: We looked at homes in South Carolina, we considered New Jersey.

1076
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: Then we just looked at home after home, but never

1077
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: got to the point of making that decision because apparently

1078
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: she lives He lives in Indiana and she lives in

1079
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: New Jersey.

1080
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 4: So they never quite got around to living together. Al's

1081
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 4: been together, they've only been together three months.

1082
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: They could have made those decisions while they decided to

1083
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: get married, so you know they have.

1084
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 4: It's a shock to people because if.

1085
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 2: They can't make it, who can. Three months from wedding

1086
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: to announcing a divorce. They went on TV to announce

1087
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: the divorce, and it seems like they still have feelings

1088
00:48:59,440 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: for each other.

1089
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 3: I can't help but notice you're still holding hands.

1090
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you fall out of love?

1091
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 14: No?

1092
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 11: No, I still love this person, no doubt in my mind,

1093
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 11: I still am in love with her.

1094
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: I root for her every day.

1095
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 4: Well they won't you stay together?

1096
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: How's that dry spell going?

1097
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: At that age? You don't want a wet spell? J

1098
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 4: SA Podcast.

1099
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: We've been talking this morning about how the mall is

1100
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: meant to be a safe space. You meet up with

1101
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 2: your friends, get your baby and yourself out of the house.

1102
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a weekly visit, do some shopping and just

1103
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: to veg out. It is our town square. But after

1104
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: the tragic events that occurred at Bondi Junction and the

1105
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 2: media coverage on our screens in our social media, how

1106
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: do we navigate this so called safe space now for

1107
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: our children?

1108
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 4: Psychologists?

1109
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 2: Clinical psychologist Joe Lamble is going to give us some guidance.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Joe, Good morning guys. So so sad, it

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00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 4: is so so sad.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people have been talking about the man

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Speaker 2: who escorted his children from them, all with blindfolds over

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Speaker 2: their eyes. Ironically, that footage has now been seen by everybody.

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00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: But what foresight to try and protect his children from

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00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: from all the images that other kids are now being

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00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: subjected to.

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00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 7: Yes, exactly, and that man sounds like was in a

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00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 7: shop and being protected by staff who were just amazing.

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Speaker 7: Weren't they right across the center and then yes, had

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00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 7: the for sight to try and shield their eyes as

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00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 7: they were all escorted out. Yeah, it's incredible what parents

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00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 7: will do.

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Speaker 2: So what do we do for the children who well,

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Speaker 2: obviously the children who were there, that's another that's a

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00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 2: very traumatic and different story. But what about for everyone

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00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: else's kids who are watching this play out on television

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Speaker 2: and on their social media screens.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the key is And it's so different these

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Speaker 7: days because they are seeing so much more than we

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00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 7: would have in our when we were that age. I

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Speaker 7: think what one of the frightening things I heard was

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00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 7: there were teens who were hearing and hearing about this

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00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 7: and seeing images before it had got to the media

1135
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Speaker 7: because kids who were there were busy posting things, and

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Speaker 7: so kids at homes all over Australia were seeing what

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Speaker 7: was playing out. So it's really important that all parents

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00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 7: check in with their kids, what have you seen?

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00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 6: What have you heard?

1140
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 7: And it may be much more than you realized, and

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00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 7: they may not be telling you because they may fear

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00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 7: that they're going to get in trouble or that you're

1143
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 7: going to say that's it, get off your phones. But

1144
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 7: we need to know what they have seen, not then

1145
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 7: reassure them they're not in trouble, just so we can

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00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 7: support them.

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00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 4: And how do we support them?

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Speaker 7: Well, the main thing is, you know, all parents know

1149
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 7: their kids, you know, so some kids really want to

1150
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 7: talk about it, and they will talk and talk and talk,

1151
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 7: and we will listen and listen and listen. Other kids,

1152
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 7: you know, your child is not one to open up,

1153
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 7: So they're the ones we have to check in on.

1154
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 7: Don't just wait for them to come to you. Check

1155
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 7: in on them normal bill when there's little eye contact

1156
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 7: in the car, beside them on the couch and just say,

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00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 7: how are you traveling? You know, what have you seen?

1158
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 5: How you're feeling?

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00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 7: So just don't feel like you're bringing it up and

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00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 7: making a big deal out of it if you check

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Speaker 7: in on them, because as I said, those kids who

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00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 7: keep it all inside, they're the ones we really need

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00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 7: to be mindful of.

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Speaker 1: Well, we had that call this morning from the dad

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00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: and his little daughter said, I don't want to go

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Speaker 1: to the shop.

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00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 3: He said, I don't want to get stabbed. You what

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00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: would you do when you get asked that question.

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00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's going to be quite common. We look for

1170
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 7: any of these changes changes and sleep patterns in nightmare, juice, appetite,

1171
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 7: and definitely this avoidance behavior. Avoidance behavior is very common

1172
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 7: in traumatic events because that's it's natural, isn't it. We think, wow,

1173
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 7: there's danger there. So we want to reassure them by saying,

1174
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 7: I can understand that you don't want to say, do'd

1175
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 7: be silly? Do'd be silly? Of course you'll be fine.

1176
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 7: You say, no, that's totally normal that you want to

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Speaker 7: avoid the shopping center, and when it's fine to lay

1178
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 7: low for now, and then you're just very gently, as

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00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 7: we do in any anxiety reducing event, is we just

1180
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 7: gradually take little steps just to the local shops with them,

1181
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 7: you know, a new reassure them, and we say as

1182
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 7: often as we can, you are safe, you are safe,

1183
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 7: you are safe. And so it will take some time,

1184
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 7: and some kids, again according to their personality, according to

1185
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 7: their situation, some will take a bit longer than others.

1186
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 7: Some might take months and months.

1187
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: Well, Joe always a treat to have you on and

1188
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: be good to have you on under good circumstances. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you should book Joe in for a good circumstances chat.

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Speaker 7: Great idea.

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00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 3: It's a good idea. Joe.

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00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: If you want to get in contact with Joe. By

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00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: the way, Joe Lambell dot com. She's got our own

1194
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: website now, Joe.

1195
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thanks guy, Thank you, Joe.

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00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: And as we say, if you need to contact Lifeline

1197
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: or Kids Helpline or Beyond Blue if you need further help,

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00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: all those details are on our social media.

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Speaker 9: Jonesy and Amanda Gamation podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Well there, we're broadcasting from the new building, which is nice.

1201
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: And I just went to the facilities here and it

1202
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: hasn't got an auto tab. I can't go back to

1203
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 3: not having an auto tab because while.

1204
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: You were doing that, I was trying to make up

1205
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 4: a couple of instant hope. And that's a hot tab.

1206
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 4: I don't like to be a winger.

1207
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 2: The hot tap, I screamed up there healthy the hot

1208
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: tap comes out of the mazel spit into them.

1209
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 4: There's just no there's no water. How am I going

1210
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 4: to survive?

1211
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: So is this coffee full of spit?

1212
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 4: May as well be. And now I'm puffed. I ran

1213
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 4: back and I got here later. So here, I'm okay.

1214
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 3: Here I am You need to take a break. I

1215
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: need to take it. But it's nice to be back.

1216
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 3: It's nice to see your smiling face. Over the holidays,

1217
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Speaker 3: not ue.

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Speaker 4: We sit on my chair, hang on struggling. Here I go,

1219
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 4: here I go.

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Speaker 1: Over the holidays, not much happened, although I do miss

1221
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: ACA because they had a great offer on ACA while

1222
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: we're away on holidays.

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00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 4: Did you hear this coming up?

1224
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 8: Drugs, prostitutes and a very expensive steak.

1225
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 4: Well I'm we given that all, sign me up?

1226
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 3: What a prize nation.

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00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 2: Well, this time last week, large swathes of the US

1228
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: took time out of their day to view a solar eclipse,

1229
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: a very rare occurrence. Actually, there's some great footage of

1230
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 2: people going out of their way to enjoy this incredible moment.

1231
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: I can't remember how long ago it was that they

1232
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 2: had their previous version of this, but a teacher had

1233
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: promised his students that they'd reconvene to watch it the

1234
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: next time they came around. So a whole lot of

1235
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: people in their sixties sitting in deck chairs with their

1236
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: old teacher watching the total eclipse.

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00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the brilliant said to once in a lifetime event.

1238
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: But it seems in my lifetime. I've seen a lot

1239
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,959
Speaker 1: of eclipses, so I don't look directly at.

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Speaker 3: Them because I'm not an idiot, but I have been

1241
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 3: aware of them.

1242
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: You can see why primitive cultures would think the gods

1243
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: are unhappy, because it's a very dramatic thing.

1244
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: Of course, the incomes, they'd go and sacrifice a virgin.

1245
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: Well, they couldn't find any in North America, so they

1246
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: are all safe. So I saw some funny stuff too

1247
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: that someone said, I've traveled all the way to Ohio

1248
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: to watch the eclipse. It's over and now I'm stuck

1249
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 2: in Ohio. But crowds from Texas to Maine apparently all

1250
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: came out in drives to watch this incredible event.

1251
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 3: Who are the dopes that were looking at well?

1252
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: How very interesting? Apart from Donald Trump last time around?

1253
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 2: Remember but apparently Google searches for my eyes hurt peaked

1254
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: the next day.

1255
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 4: Have you listened to this my eyes.

1256
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 11: Hurt rather than't over the last twenty four hours? Peaks

1257
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 11: at three twenty in the afternoon in eastern at one

1258
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 11: hundred percent interest level, the highest that you can get

1259
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 11: on Google. I see who was interested in it? Everybody

1260
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 11: from Mean to Texas was interested in this thing. It's

1261
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 11: pretty much a street line. Shout out to ust Virginia,

1262
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 11: who was one hundred interested in it. They were very,

1263
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 11: very interested in why their eyes were hurting. Path of

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00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 11: totality of the eclipse mean to Texas, congratulations.

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00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 6: Everyone, we've done it.

1266
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 4: They've done it.

1267
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: They've hit peak. Dumbbo I like someone underneath that as

1268
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: saying is educational legally America. But they were trying to mock.

1269
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 2: But they've written his education illegal on America.

1270
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 3: So what a shame.

1271
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 4: But that's cut now to Mexico.

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00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 2: Mexican news channels, a particularly news channel was cutting to

1273
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: different images that they're listening their viewers had sent in

1274
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: that they'd taken on their phones or other apparatus of

1275
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: the eclipse. Here they are, they're cutting image to image.

1276
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 3: It's I speak Mexican, this is Mexican.

1277
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: Various dramatic images, various dramatic images. And then we saw

1278
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: an image full screen of this lowering into the screen

1279
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: that looks like it's a scrotum, a big hairy scrotum.

1280
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: I went to wear this giant nutsack with the light

1281
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: behind it and all the hairs sticking out.

1282
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 13: It is the host.

1283
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 3: It's a car Stephano someone else.

1284
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 2: They've cut the footage of just someone sending in an

1285
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: image of their testicles, and it went live to air

1286
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: and they just kept going as if it had never happened.

1287
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: Bravo, Bravo, My job Brava and Amanda's Shimnation podcast.

1288
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 4: To be twenty thousand dollars.

1289
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: We have that on hand for our cash for our

1290
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: favorite goolie of the year thanks to hair Informs Machinery House.

1291
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: What have we got today?

1292
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: What really gets my goalies is that every public holiday

1293
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: and every school holiday days, the petrol prices seemed to

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00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: go up by forty cents overnight.

1295
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 5: Yet they don't come down when the price of the

1296
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 5: barrel drops.

1297
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 6: They will not come down by forty cents overnight. They

1298
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 6: drizzle down one two cents over the next three weeks.

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00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 8: Until the next set of holidays for another public holiday,

1300
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 8: and up they go again forty cents again overnight.

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00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 9: That really gets my bullies.

1302
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 3: It's life, really. What else have we got?

1303
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 8: What gets my grulies is people helping you out by

1304
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 8: telling you that this giant huntsman has just crawled into

1305
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 8: your car at the service station, and then you have

1306
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 8: to drive home and then you have to spend every

1307
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 8: day driving looking everywhere for the huntsman because you can't

1308
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 8: find it. So sometimes it's not great to be helpful

1309
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 8: because you've terrified me about driving my car, so that

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00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 8: gets my gruelies.

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00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: Would you rather know or not know?

1312
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 4: I think I'd rather know?

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00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 3: What about? You got a cape fear situation? You've got

1314
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 3: a craze killer strapped to the underneath of your cart.

1315
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 4: Robert Denier are hanging on? Yeah, don't tell me, tell me.

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00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 3: Just off your holiday out with the banning, with the

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00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 3: good of you to gat. You can always contact us

1318
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: by the iHeart lady, it's three to night.

1319
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 4: I've a call it your mail a Facebook friend when

1320
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 4: it's a Coss.

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00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: I've got a Coss Coast get away, return flights from city,

1322
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 2: the Coss Harbor, accommodation at you holiday apartments and experience

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01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 2: at the Big Banana Fun part. We can find direct

1324
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: from city to Coffs Harbor and start your holiday sooner.

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01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 3: At my sign Unleash Fun.

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Speaker 4: You're so get a Jones and Manda Teita.

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Speaker 3: Which is always good and fits Magnet which is even better.

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Speaker 2: Every morning we play Instagram and things can be a

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Speaker 2: bit slow on a Monday. People don't always have their

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Speaker 2: brains switched on. But today Jerry from Childers he.

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Speaker 4: Did his best.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't help when you're from Queensland as he is,

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Speaker 2: and you get a question about daylight savings Question.

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Speaker 4: Five, true or false? We're not in daylight savings time now.

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Speaker 9: Bob oh, no, that's true.

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Speaker 4: What are the chances he called from Queensland?

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Speaker 3: No, don't shau because where we like to have Queen's

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Speaker 3: Landers on the show.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't know w'ere out of daylight saving?

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Speaker 3: These is because he's living in Queensland.

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Speaker 4: Fire nineteen fifty tween Friday year tea.

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Speaker 9: That's enough. Ugly fills up.

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Speaker 4: Next the wsvent's total recall.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back God willing tomorrow, No tonight for generation

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Speaker 1: of six o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Of course I forgot. We'll see you then, good day

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Speaker 3: to you.

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Speaker 9: Well, thank God.

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Speaker 3: That's over.

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Speaker 6: Hood bite would bite wipe the two.

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Speaker 9: Catch Jonesy and Amanda's podcast on the iHeartRadio app or

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Speaker 9: wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Podcast.

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01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 9: Catch up on what you've missed on the free iHeartRadio app.