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Speaker 2: But well, we do know that trade talks are going

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Speaker 2: Natasha files, good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You, Good morning Katie, good morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: Now Chief Minister. Firstly, you met with the Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie.

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Speaker 4: So the Commissioner for Police has made an operational decision, Katie.

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Speaker 2: There is a lot to cover this morning, and the

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Speaker 2: As I understand that the inquiry gets underway early next year.

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Speaker 4: I raise this that this is an important project for jobs,

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Speaker 3: So we've done that.

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Speaker 4: But the Prime Minister did attend a fundraising dinner and

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Speaker 2: So with that vision that's emerged from the event those

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Speaker 4: But ambushing the Prime Minister around that topic, I just

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Speaker 2: So do you think the Prime Minister should be doing

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Speaker 4: I think that the Federal government and the response around

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Speaker 2: Now, last week you announced a massive reshuffle. Plenty of

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Speaker 4: I would hope that would be within that time frame, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Now, Chief Minister, you're revealed on the show last week

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Speaker 4: Katie, it's a matter in terms of Ken Davies is

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Speaker 1: And how much do you anticipate that's going to cost

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Speaker 4: I don't have those details. But I made a decision

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Speaker 2: So presumably though there is going to be a payout

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Speaker 4: So Katie, I'm not going to get into commenting on

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Speaker 3: Over this role.

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Speaker 4: So he hadn't retired, he'd taken my understanding, Katie, And

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Speaker 4: He's someone that's worked for a very long time in

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Speaker 1: And was that the issue here?

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Speaker 4: Katie, It's just about we're at a point and you know,

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Speaker 2: One of those tough decisions is the role out of

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Speaker 1: Now, some people do not think that this should happen.

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Speaker 1: When is it going to actually happen?

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, I really support measures that keep our community

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Speaker 3: There are some logistics around working it through.

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Speaker 4: But I believe that our in terms of crowd controllers

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Speaker 1: So when's it going to happen, Katy, I'll have.

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Speaker 3: To get this spec if it's for you.

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Speaker 4: We changed the legislation for the transport safety officers to

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Speaker 3: Katie.

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Speaker 4: I will come back to you with the timeframe. I

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Speaker 1: Now, just a really quick one.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully we know that you tabled the alcohol review, that

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Speaker 4: Yes, Katie, so I'm working through that review, and there's

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Speaker 4: there's some things that sit within the Liquor Act. But

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Speaker 4: I do anticipate there'll be further legislative changes, both in

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Speaker 3: Up and then early next year.

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Speaker 4: Those conversations, Katie, are continuing, particularly with industry, particularly with

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Speaker 3: Sure that they can access alcohol, which is a legal product.

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Speaker 2: All Right, We're going to have to leave it there,

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Speaker 2: Chief Finiston, Natasha Files, thanks for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Take care,