1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the daily, This is 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: the daily. Ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, the twelfth 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: of August. I'm Harry, I'm Zara. Would you stay silent 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: if you were sexually harassed at work? That's a decision 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: many need to face when signing a non disclosure agreement 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: or MDA, which has become standard practice for settling sexual 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: harassment claims in workplaces across Australia. Victoria could become the 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: first state to change its laws on MDA's and is 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: opening up a new phase of consultation. In today's deep Dive, 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: you'll hear my chat with Victoria's Premier to Center Allen 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: on the state government's push to change the laws. But first, Sarah, 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: what's making headlines? 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: An Israeli air strike on a school in Gaza has 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: killed at least eighty people, according to the Gaza Civil 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: Emergency Service. The Israeli Army acknowledged the attack but said, 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 2: and I quote, the IDF conducted a precision strike against 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: the terrorists in one specific building of the compound, an 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: area where according to our intelligence, no women or children 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: were present. The White House issued a statement following the attack, saying, quote, 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: we know HUMAS has been using schools as locations to 22 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 2: gather and operate out of, but we have also said 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: repeatedly and consistently that Israel must take measures to minimize 24 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 2: civilian harm. 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: A pill testing site in Queensland has detected a cancerous 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: chemical in cocaine. Checkpoint in the Gold Coast found a 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: combination of cocaine and a substance called fanacitin in two 28 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 1: white powdered samples. Fanacitin is a painkiller that was banned 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: in the late nineteen nineties because it can cause kidney 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: damage and cancer. Side effects of the drug include dizziness, fatigue, 31 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: blue fingertips, and slow breathing. 32 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: A plane with sixty one people aboard crashed in Brazil 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: on Friday local time. There were no survivors of the crash. 34 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: Over the weekend, investigators said they had recovered the plane's 35 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: two black boxes and were working to extract information to 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: further investigate the crash. 37 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: And today's good News. Researchers have extracted the deepest ever 38 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: samples of rock from the Earth's mantle, a thick layer 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: in the earth that makes up around eighty percent of 40 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: the planet. Using a deep sea drilling at the bottom 41 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: of the Atlantic Ocean, research has extracted a sample of 42 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: nearly one point three kilometer long green marble like rock. 43 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: Geochemists with the record breaking expedition set the findings are 44 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: quote key to how we understand the formation of tectonic 45 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: plates in the oceans and our planet's formation and evolution. 46 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: Harry, we are talking about quite a complex legal issue 47 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: that is actually fairly it's this concept of a non 48 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: disclosure agreement an NDA. Can you just start by explaining 49 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: what exactly an NDA is if anyone listening hasn't come 50 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: into contact with it. 51 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: It's really interesting that you touch on the idea that 52 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: it's quite common, because we actually don't really know the 53 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: extent of how popular NDAs are because it's a secret 54 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: deal by its very nature. But we do know from 55 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: the legal experts and the advocates are telling us that 56 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: it's starting to crop up in a lot more circumstances 57 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: in workplaces. And let's just take a step back. So 58 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: an NDA is a non disclosure agreement, which is also 59 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: known as a confidentiality clause. It's basically where you're legally 60 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: obliged to keep a secret. I probably would have been 61 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: bad at that in high school. They have been used 62 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: in the business world quite a bit. So think about 63 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: coca cola. The recipe for coca cola has been a 64 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: secret for more than one hundred years because people that 65 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: have worked in the industry have had to maintain that 66 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: secret by signing an NDA. But it's crept into other 67 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: forms of agreements, and this includes cases where workplaces are 68 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: handling sexual harassment. 69 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: Okay, and so in this context, you're saying that an 70 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: NDA is being used by businesses when there is an 71 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: alleged sexual harassment case at work. Can you just explain 72 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 2: a bit more about that. 73 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: So, if an employee brings an allegation against a colleague 74 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: or a boss relating to sexual harassment at work, one 75 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: option that they have instead of going to the police 76 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: is to settle the matter within their workplace by receiving 77 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: a certain benefit, which is usually a financial payment, but 78 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: the parties could also agree to something like an apology. 79 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: The catch is that the parties then need to all 80 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: agree to keep quiet about the allegation itself. So this 81 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: means that someone who's experienced sexual harassment, who has made 82 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: the complaint is prevented from saying anything negative about the 83 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: workplace or the perpetrator in the future. And so sometimes 84 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: NDAs are time limited, so they end after a period 85 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: of maybe a few years, but sometimes they are lifelong. 86 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: There's just no end to the non disclosure agreement. So 87 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: to put it really simply, the workplace will offer this 88 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: up as an opportunity to say, we'll give you X 89 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: amount of money if you promise to never talk about 90 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: this employee and about that particular incident. So now NDAs 91 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: can be beneficial because it means that someone who never 92 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: wants to go public about the allegation, who wants to 93 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: maintain their own privacy, has the option to do so 94 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: rather than going through maybe a court process. But there 95 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: is growing concern from legal experts, from the advocates who 96 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: are saying that NDAs are being increasingly used to immediately 97 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: silence people before they've even had time to think about 98 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: a potential course of action that they could take. And 99 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: this is where the Victorian government comes in. They want 100 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: to make some changes to ensure that this doesn't continue 101 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: being the standard practice. 102 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: And so you have spoken to the Premiere of Victoria 103 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: just into Alan, what does she want to change in 104 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: this area. 105 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: So two years ago the Victorian government flagged that they 106 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: were considering some changes and from today they're opening up 107 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: a four week consultation window to get some feedback on 108 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: the changes themselves. So what are those actual changes? So 109 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: they could include options like prohibiting NDAs unless it's requested 110 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: by the person making the complaint, so the boss or 111 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: the bigger organization or company won't be the ones putting 112 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: it on the table. It would have to be requested. 113 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: Another option is allowing just to lawyers and counselors, or 114 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: giving someone the option to waive their confidentiality down the 115 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: track if they want to. And so, as you'll hear 116 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: with my chat with Premier just into Alan, she's still 117 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: hesitant to commit to anything as the consultation gets underway, 118 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: but she does seem determined for things to change. Premier 119 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: just into Alan, thank you so much for joining the daily. 120 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: Ohs great to be back with you, Harry. 121 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: So, Premier, what do you see as the main problem 122 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: with the way that NDAs are used at the moment. 123 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: Well, the challenge with NDAs and my information comes from 124 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 3: listening directly from victim survivors, people who have experienced sexual 125 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: harassment at work and then have had to be in 126 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: effect retraumatized by going through the NDA process. Is that 127 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: it silence as victims. It silences victims, so it's not 128 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: designed to address the issue in the first place, which 129 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: is to address the harassment in the workplace. There are 130 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: examples of where NDAs have been misused in those employment 131 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: processes and that's why I'm determined to look at what 132 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: we need to do to go further here in Victoria. 133 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: It's a complex area of the law, but we know 134 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 3: that this is an issue that must be addressed, and 135 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: that's why we are undertaking consultation to look at how 136 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: we need to see NDAs not being misused in instances 137 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: where people have experienced sexual harassment at work and then 138 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: go on to be retraumatized through the NDA process. 139 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: So in Victoria specifically, two years ago, the Labor government 140 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: had said it was undergoing some consultation. So can you 141 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: give me a bit of an update of what your 142 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: government's been doing in the last two years. 143 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: Well, this is an incredibly complex area of law and 144 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: what we have been doing over that period of time 145 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: is listening to the voices of victim survivors. Also to 146 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 3: listening to other organizations in the community's businesses, lawyers, as 147 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: unions to look at what we need to do to 148 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 3: strengthen this area of the law. Now, it's also, Harry 149 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: I think important to remember that for some victims, they 150 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 3: may want to retain the choice to have an NDA 151 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: in place to protect their privacy or whatever their personal 152 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 3: circumstances might be, and we've got to recognize that where 153 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: it's appropriate, where it's been undertaken in an appropriate consultative 154 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 3: way in the workplace, that may be appropriate. But the 155 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: evidence that we've collected over this journey shows us that 156 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: too often they are being misused. The consequence of that 157 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,479 Speaker 3: is that the voices of victim survivors are being silenced. 158 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: So we're up to another phase of consultation. How long 159 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: is that going to stretch out? 160 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: So we've releasing a discussion paper through our Engage Victoria 161 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: website and it will be open for a number of weeks, 162 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 3: and we want to hear from a broad cross section 163 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: of the community. There will be the mechanism for victim 164 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 3: survivors to provide the information in a confidential and an 165 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: anonymous way, because we do want to hear from their 166 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: lived experience, because we know this is being used in 167 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: many instances as a tool to silence victims, and the 168 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 3: consequence of that is we are not hearing directly from 169 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 3: them enough about what we need to do to improve 170 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 3: the processes into the future. 171 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: So how long do you anticipate that will take? 172 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: Look, we'll collect obviously the four weeks a period for 173 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: the consultation paper will be open, will consider that, and 174 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: we'll need to then look at what further action we 175 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 3: need to take off the back of that advice. I 176 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: don't want to put a ceiling on that, Harry, because 177 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 3: this is complex. I think if you look around the world, 178 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: there is I think there's a bill in the Irish 179 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: Parliament at the moment, and there's an experience in one 180 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: small province in Canada. What we're doing is world leading work, 181 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: and it's really important we get it right with respect. 182 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: Premier, your government did flag that two years ago it 183 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: wanted to make these changes. When will people be able 184 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: to see the reforms, When can they actually be expected 185 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: to have that as a practical lived reality. 186 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: Look, that's a really fair question, a really fair question, 187 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 3: and it is a little frustrating that that timeline cannot 188 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: be clearly spelled out today because of the complexity, because 189 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 3: of the world first nature of the work we're doing, 190 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: and also should there be legislative change required, that's also 191 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: in the hands of the Victorian Parliament. The government would 192 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 3: have cause be sponsoring the bill and bringing the bill 193 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 3: to the parliament, but ultimately the time it takes to 194 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: pass the parliament is in the hands of the parliament. 195 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: So one of the models that you mentioned there is 196 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: in Ireland, part of these laws that were cleared in 197 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: at least one house of the Irish Parliament brought in 198 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: a new set of provisions for employers wanting to have 199 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: an NDA for an employee or want their worker to 200 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: sign an MDA. So talk me through some of those 201 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: changes that you want to see here in Victoria as well. 202 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 3: We want to get feedback on a number of potential 203 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: protections in the restriction of the use of NDAs, and 204 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: this includes areas like potentially prohibiting the use of NDAs 205 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: unless they are requested by the complainant. And this is 206 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: really important in terms of having the victim and their 207 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: voice front and center of our considerations. Looking at mechanisms 208 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: that can address where undue pressure may have been placed 209 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: to influence a complainant to enter into an NDA. Also too, 210 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: One of the things that has been put to meet 211 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: really clearly in my conversations with victim survivors is that 212 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 3: they're often not given enough time. There's a forcing of 213 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 3: the decision, there's a rush to get paperwork done, and 214 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: they're not given time to understand to work through the 215 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: complexity of what they're being presented with. So considerations of 216 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 3: whether you need a review period or cooling off period 217 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 3: is part of the potential package of changes we're looking 218 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: at that we're outlining in the discussion paper. 219 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: One of the interesting elements of the bill is this 220 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: idea that employees who have signed an NDA can have 221 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: the option to waive that down the track. Is that 222 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: something you want to see in Victoria, Well. 223 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: This is something I want to see feedback off, and 224 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: I don't want to preempt the voices of victims and 225 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: other people who are involved in the process. This is 226 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: definitely an issue that has been identified. It's why it's 227 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: part of the discussion paper that we have released for consultation. 228 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: I'll be guided by those voices, Harry. 229 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: I understand you don't want to get ahead of the 230 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: feedback process and getting in front of you know, putting 231 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: the cart before the horse. But as the premiere, what 232 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: is your vision at this stage? What is your position? 233 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: You say you want change, what does that change look like. 234 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 3: Well, the change looks like making sure that victims survivors 235 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: aren't silenced. That's central to what's driving this next stage 236 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: of work in my government is that we shouldn't have 237 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 3: legal mechanisms, paperwork being used to silence victim survivors. And 238 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: why this is important is when you consider it's a 239 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: pretty alarming statistic that around one in three people in 240 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: the workplace experience a form of sexual harassment, and we 241 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 3: know disproportionately they're women. We know too they're disproportionately it's 242 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: people from groups that get particularly targeted, like our LGBTQ 243 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: plus community. So we know that we need to address 244 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: this as an issue, which is why I've placed this 245 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: as a priority for the consultation that we're about to undertake. 246 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: This as a final thought, there are many people and 247 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: we don't know how many, but there are many people 248 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: who have already signed NDAs. What is your plans for them? 249 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: Look, that's a real challenge. I would hope that they 250 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: can feel comfortable to participate in this process. I don't 251 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 3: want to cause any re trauma, but their experience is 252 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: going to be really important to drive the change, to 253 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: understand how they've been silenced, how it's misused, how people 254 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: have felt coerced, and then the flip side of that 255 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: is to take that experience and share that with employers 256 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: and how together we can work towards getting a better system, 257 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: better processes that see workplaces more free from sexual harassment, 258 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: totally free from sexual harassment, but where we can have 259 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: better supports for victim survivors. 260 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: Premier to center, Allen, thank you so much for joining 261 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: the Daly Eads today. 262 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: Great to talk to you, Harry, thank you. 263 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to today's episode of 264 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: The Daily oas it was a really interesting topic and 265 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: always great to have the decision makers on the dally 266 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: Ods podcast talking directly to you our audience. 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