1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Some local politicians are ramping up their push to put 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: a stop to people sleeping outside of businesses by urging 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: the City of Darwin to enforce the by laws around 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: illegal camping. It's understood that the issue was raised during 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: the council meeting attended by the Member for Fanny Bay, 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Brent Poster, and also the Member for fong Limb Mark Monahan. Now, 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: the City of Darwin has released a statement saying that 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: the council has been subjected to significant pressure from some 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: MLAs to increase the number of fines handed out to 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: vulnerable people sleeping rough in public spaces. 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: Now, it is obviously a situation. 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: As we know that there are a number of different 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: bylaws that are in place. Now joining me in the 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: studio right now to talk a little bit more about this, 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: and we did talk about an on Friday during the 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: week that was as well. It is Brent Potter, the 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: Member for Fanny Bay. Good morning to your breakakytie, high listeners. 18 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio now, Brent, why 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: did you attend the council meeting? 20 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: This has been going on for about four months so 21 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: about November. 22 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 4: I raise issue around untended items actually came from I 23 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 4: think when we had that last month soon some items 24 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 4: fell off off the side of a business and almost 25 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 4: hid someone. And so I asked the question of counsel 26 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 4: and said, if that happens, who's accountable? And they said 27 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 4: business owners And I thought that's a bit of shirking, right, I. 28 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: See, like people if they've been rough sleeping, if stuff put. 29 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 4: Their camping items up right, a small community business it 30 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 4: fell off in the storm and almost hit someone, and yeah, 31 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 4: they I asked the questions of who is liable if 32 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 4: that falls off, and they made the business owner, and 33 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 4: I thought, well, so now you're asking business owners to 34 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 4: remove the items for their liability. And as we're going 35 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 4: for about four months and then I had significant representation 36 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 4: from many businesses that have said we've tried to engage 37 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 4: with counsel, We've got corresponds back. They're just they're not 38 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: doing anything about it. It's impacting our daily life. We're 39 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 4: cleaning up feces, rubbish, we've seen fighting and domestic family violence. 40 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 3: And then everyone would know that. 41 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 4: The East Point toilets for a period of time, probably 42 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 4: twelve months, people were living inside the toilet, which was 43 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 4: denying people the ability to use it, and I've had 44 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 4: constituentscy they don't feel safe walking down there at night, 45 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 4: and then don't feel safe going in the toilet, and 46 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: so I wrote to cancel. On many occasions. Not once 47 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 4: have I asked them to enforce fines. 48 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: Actually, you're not asking them to enforce a fine. 49 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: Here, Absolutely not. And I said this on Friday Rady 50 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: on your show. 51 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 4: It doesn't change behavior, people can't pay it, it doesn't 52 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 4: get us anywhere, and it's nothing more than revenue raising. 53 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: What I've said to them is enforced the bile. 54 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 4: And now the way I see that playing out, you 55 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 4: engage with people and they have outreach teams in council, 56 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 4: and I think Andrew was on ABC yesterday he believes 57 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 4: that they've been they ca Yeah, we met yesterday and 58 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 4: it was a really productive meeting. They've actually reduced how 59 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 4: many people they have in their outreach, he believes. I 60 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 4: don't think there's enough public place rangers and at the 61 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 4: end of the day, they should be engaging and offering 62 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 4: a service enough. And when a bet is offered and 63 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 4: then not taken up because they don't want to go there, 64 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 4: well that's when I want them to enforce the bile. 65 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 4: I'm not asking for the moment someone starts camping or 66 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 4: someone that is genuinely homeless and he's not given an 67 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 4: alternative option to be issued at a fine. I don't 68 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 4: want the fine, do want the notice, but I want 69 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 4: them to be off at a bed first. And I'll 70 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 4: give you an Esport example, because that's the one they 71 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: keep talking about. That lady had been there for about 72 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 4: twelve months and family had then started to congreen. There's 73 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: a significant amount of people there was. 74 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: There was a lady that was there who had been there. 75 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: For quite some times. 76 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 4: She's been there for twelve months. So before the by election, 77 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 4: I've then obviously engaged. They posted the by election sleeping 78 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 4: rough there, sleeping rough in the toilet's family and the toilets, 79 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 4: stoing their camping items above the toilets in the grass 80 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 4: on the footpath. We've had three domestic vioans incidents happened there. 81 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 4: They've been quite significant. So I went down and engage 82 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 4: in them and ask counsel and they actually said no, 83 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: we've offered her a bed previously, and the writing they 84 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 4: put in the email to me was that she's refused 85 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 4: to take it up because they don't want to pay 86 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 4: them because they can't drink. 87 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 3: Now, that was what they've said to me. 88 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 4: I don't think that's all of them, but obviously some 89 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 4: in the group most definitely. At that point, I said, well, 90 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 4: they've took them and off at a bed somewhere safe 91 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 4: to sleep, because not safe to sleep rough down at 92 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 4: East Point where no one's at night time and there's 93 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 4: any social behavior. What are we doing about it? And 94 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: they said, well, basically, we're not going to do anything 95 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 4: about it. And so I've pushed now for the last 96 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 4: four months, and I ended up a counsel because I 97 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 4: don't believe the counselors will be giving the full story 98 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 4: of what I was writing into counsel on and I 99 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 4: thought the best way to get in front of the 100 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: councilors all at once is an open forum counsel meeting 101 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 4: and represent my constitute. 102 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: Well, look, Brent, I know you and I had a 103 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: bit of arjibarjie about this on Friday, and obviously my 104 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: stance on this is I think it's certainly part of 105 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: the issue. I think that you know, when you've got 106 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: rough sleepers, that is part of the issue. 107 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: But one of the big concerns that I've. 108 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: Gotten I know a lot of people that listen to 109 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: the show have as well, is that there's public intoxication, 110 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: there is public drinking. And we keep getting told by 111 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government that there is the two kilometer 112 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: drinking law, but a lot of people are questioning, well, 113 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: why is that not being enforced. 114 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: Well, tip out and poor and sees is absolutely be enforced. 115 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 4: And we had some people drinking yesterday down the electorate 116 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 4: and the cops arrived within ten minutes and they tipped 117 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 4: out there actually rested someone as well for other reasons. 118 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 4: But you know, we've seen the Northern Suburbs very recently 119 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: and you can talk to I think the chair of 120 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 4: the Northern Suburbs Liquor Ords. 121 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,119 Speaker 3: This is the Cas Club. 122 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 4: They've introduced a residence rule around you must live in 123 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: the Northern Suburbs and demonstrate where you're going to consume 124 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 4: your ol call and have an appropriate residence to buy 125 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: our cohol. Now we've been doing that in Fanny Bay 126 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 4: for sixty days and the chair of our one, Nevelle 127 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 4: is and they've ex nevill from Prap Fine Foods. They've 128 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 4: extended it out to the middle of the financial year, 129 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 4: so the two kilometer rule. In its context, we have 130 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: what we call general restricted area. All of Darwin is 131 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 4: a general restricted area. You cannot drink in a public place. 132 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 4: There are certain areas that have times that you can, 133 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 4: but outside of that it's still it's. 134 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: Still against the law. 135 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: This is I think where people are really getting the 136 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: shits for one of a better word is that they're 137 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: thinking to themselves, we'll hang on a sec. If that's 138 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: the case, why is there still public drinking? And again 139 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: it's part of the puzzle. One of the other parts 140 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: of it, though, I guess is, and you've touched on this, 141 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: is you know, people aren't going to be able to 142 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: pay fines if they are genuinely homeless. 143 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: Exactly right. 144 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: So there's that worry. But also is there enough short 145 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: term accommodation for people? 146 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: We have it. 147 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: We pay for a significant amount a short stay, visitors 148 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 4: stay and meetiam and long term you know, thirty one 149 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 4: million dollars in the budget was put towards homeless services 150 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 4: and housing. There's definitely gets blockages and any given day 151 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 4: there may be a bed, there may not be. And 152 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 4: hence I go back to this point. I don't want 153 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: people being issued the notices. You know, when there's nowhere 154 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 4: to go, they've not been offered somewhere to stay. But 155 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 4: in the instance of the two instances, I've spoken to 156 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: council and they've had significant engagement, significant options. 157 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: Now, so is it the council's job to be offering 158 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: people somewhere to stay? 159 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 4: Wellson, we pay for the services. They decide to have 160 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 4: an outreach team. You know, how they structure their ranges 161 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 4: and their outreach team is to them. I would say 162 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: they don't have enough public place ranges and a good 163 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 4: example of that is the amount of people in the 164 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 4: frustration with dangerous dogs and barking of dogs. They don't 165 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 4: enforce those bylaws appropriately. They've got two ranges that do 166 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 4: public places. They've got two ranges that do their outreach team. 167 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 4: I think that with Larochian Nation is probably the best 168 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 4: service that we have and I'm glad we fund so. 169 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: I do want to ask you that is Larichian Nation, 170 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: is their return to country still in place? 171 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 3: The return to country is still in place. 172 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 4: They still facilitate that take people to Casarina to book 173 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 4: that in if it's going to be federally or if 174 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 4: Antique government's providing a period of time where sometimes we 175 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 4: will offer it, will pay for it to when we've 176 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 4: got huge influxes. But every day Larakian Nation can facilitate 177 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 4: the access to the return to country. The problem becomes 178 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 4: some people just will book it and then will not 179 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 4: turn up or will change their mind. 180 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: And so how many people have been returned to country 181 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: in recent in recent months? 182 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 4: Do we have any idea and get the numbers. I 183 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 4: didn't get those today before coming on the show. I'm 184 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 4: happy to come back to you with a cadie. But 185 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 4: you know, we do go through I guess peak periods 186 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: where we target that will focus on how turn a 187 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 4: country is on, you know, and you're actively following people up. 188 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: But I think we're in that situation at the moment 189 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: where we actually do need to get a bit of 190 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: focus on this again because it does seem to be 191 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: quite a few people around, not just I think this 192 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: is the other really big point is it's not just 193 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: in Fanny Bay, not just your electorate's certainly not just 194 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: in long Limb. But you go into the city, you 195 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: go out to Palmerston and it's tough. 196 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 197 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 4: Today, listen, I think post COVID we've seen more people 198 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 4: in town we ever have for a variety of reasons, 199 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 4: and we need to keep pushing really hard on returning 200 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 4: country we all. 201 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: I think it's to access alcohol. 202 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 4: I think some people are. I think there's a variety 203 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 4: of reasons. Absolutely there are people here accessing alcohol that's 204 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: never really changed, just increased post COVID. I think we 205 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: also need to articulate to people and work with people 206 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 4: coming in both from community and the tourists and the backpackers. 207 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 4: You need to have a plan where you're staying if 208 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 4: you're coming into town for a holiday. You know, we 209 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 4: can't have your sleeping in the parks and public places. 210 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 4: You know, we have temporary accommodation, short day and agency family. 211 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 4: We have a two week rule in public housing you 212 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 4: can stay for before you have to vacate. Like, we 213 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 4: need to get better at helping people build a plan 214 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 4: for when they go on holidays rather than Hey, I'm 215 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: just going to stay with family until i can't stay 216 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 4: there anymore, and then I'm going to go and sleep 217 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: in Funny Bay by the Wardlight. 218 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: Now, obviously the council have said as part of their 219 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: statement that the increase in the number of people staying 220 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: in Doe AND's created a significant upsurge in the workload 221 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: for the City of dow and frontline staff, including their 222 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: ranges and assertive outreach, cleaning and parks and reserves teams. 223 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: And they'd be supportive of any initiatives from the Northern 224 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: Territory government to put in place to provide more short 225 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: stay accommodation and support services to people experiencing homelessness. 226 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 4: Quite funny that it always comes back to dollars with Counseling. 227 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 4: In that meeting was made very clear by the Lord 228 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 4: Mayor that if we provided funding they would enforce it. 229 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 4: This isn't a funding issue for counsel They've chosen to 230 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 4: only have two public place ranges. They choose to not 231 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 4: enforce that, Biler and I've got that directly from their 232 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 4: rangers on the ground when I talked them. They're frustration. 233 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 4: You talk to the cleaners that are going beween these facilities. 234 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 4: I'll say you, I'm here two three times a day, 235 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 4: and I say, what do you think this is bandaid 236 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 4: in the situation, and they go absolutely, you know, we 237 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 4: should be telling people you can't camp in the toilet. 238 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: I've got to tell you, Brent, you know, same as 239 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: what I said to you on Friday, and I'll say 240 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: the same thing to the council. We're in a situation 241 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: right now where there is people that are sleeping rough 242 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: around the city. 243 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people don't. 244 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: Have a huge concern if people are sleeping rough, but 245 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: they're doing the right thing absolutely. But right now we've 246 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: got absolutely a situation with public drinking, anti social behavior 247 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: and criminal behavior. You know, I had a phone call 248 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: earlier this morning from a listener not on air, off 249 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: air who'd said to me, you know, they were riding 250 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: home from work and there's a domestic violence incident right 251 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: on the main street of the CBD. 252 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: You know, yep, police get called. But lo, this is happening. 253 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: This isn't just a one off unfortunately, It's something that 254 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: we're seeing all the time. Are we at the point 255 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: where we actually all need to get together? There needs 256 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: to be a sum much or something and we have 257 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: got to sort this out. 258 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 4: So ironically, Katie, in one of my emails today City Council, 259 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 4: I said to them, I'm going to do a fortnightly 260 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 4: catch up with businesses and a fortnightly catch up with 261 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 4: government agencies and service providers because I want to resolve 262 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 4: the local issues in my electric Now people say you 263 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 4: shouldn't just be focused in your electric. Well, the reality 264 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: of it is, I'm a local member. I need to 265 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 4: service my constituent first and foremost. 266 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: Now. 267 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 4: That offer was putting an email to two council staff members, 268 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 4: to which neither of them replied. I meet fortnightly with 269 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 4: the council aldermen and they're fantastic and we work at 270 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 4: our level. But I've opened it up to like I 271 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 4: do with the liquor coord like I meet with anti 272 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 4: police and other government agents to come in and sit 273 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 4: in the room and work with me on the individual's 274 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: hotspots I have in the electorate. I think if we 275 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 4: look at it very lineal though, everyone has to do 276 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: their part. You know, police do their part. We've seen 277 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: territory families and all of our outreach services non government. 278 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 4: We just need And the reason we're taking this so 279 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 4: strongly is because we just need counselors to do this. 280 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 4: But I'm not asking anything more than what their builer is. 281 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: I don't want the fine. I'd actually like to see 282 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 4: them renegg on the fine that they've issued currently for 283 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 4: their legal camping and go down the notice path, And 284 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 4: what I mean by that is you issue the notice 285 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 4: to vacate, if they still don't vacate, then you hand 286 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 4: that over as a trespass to that point police and 287 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 4: have discretion as well. No one's going to jail, but 288 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 4: there has to be a reason to take the services 289 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 4: we're paying for, and at the moment there's no reason 290 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 4: because they own that land. At each point, Crown Lands 291 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 4: do it how I've just described, and they're actually enforcing 292 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 4: that on our land. 293 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 2: What about for some of our businesses. 294 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: You know, they're putting up with people who are not 295 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: only sleeping rough outside, they're defecating on their front steps. 296 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: You know what. 297 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: That might not be considered criminal behavior, but it is 298 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: absolutely terrible. 299 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 4: Behalve the public health orst first and foremost. And listen, 300 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 4: I've been working with the Funny Bay shops down there 301 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 4: and there they were genuinely that the we'd's end and 302 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 4: they have been emailing counsel back and forward and. 303 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: Just falls on deaf years. 304 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 4: The one, as I said previously on the show, trespass 305 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 4: will come is a bit to a degree for private businesses. 306 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 4: With the trespass form, it will be a lot easier 307 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 4: to issue the notices and move people on. 308 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: Do you reckon it's going to work. 309 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: I hope it works, like honestly, I really hope that 310 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: it does. 311 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: But is it going to work Brent? 312 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: Or are we just going to end up in the 313 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: same situation as what we're in now sort of thing 314 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: where you issue someone are fine? 315 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: Can they even pay us? 316 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 4: Well, the tresspar doesn't come with a fine at the 317 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 4: point of issue. But I think at the end of 318 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 4: the day, we have to try. This is the piece 319 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 4: that we know that it's missing. Police has said it's 320 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 4: been missing and it's difficult to enforce, and it's not 321 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 4: use legislation. The Chamber of Commerce, the SDA, all of 322 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 4: those people have been advocating for it and small business. 323 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 4: I do think it'll work. I think if everyone does 324 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 4: the bit, it will free up in other areas, as in, 325 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 4: if you're doing your by law enforcement in the morning 326 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 4: and early denying the camping police are out with our 327 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 4: liquor accords and all of our liquor inspectors reducing access 328 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 4: to alcohol, then we should see a reduction in DV 329 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 4: in the afternoons, which will start to forre out police 330 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 4: from going to DV. That's how I see it very lineal, 331 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 4: but everyone has to do their bit and at the 332 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 4: moment we're missing that very start on public land. 333 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: So do you feel at the moment sounds like that 334 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: finger is being pointed at the council. 335 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 4: I'm happy to take all criticism, and I do this 336 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 4: on the show, and you know, people that live in 337 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 4: my electric know exactly what I'm doing in pract with 338 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 4: private security, a liquor accord and the fortnightly meeting with businesses. 339 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 4: But yeah, I absolutely am pointed the finger because the 340 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 4: reality of it is they're fighting this. They're issuing fines 341 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 4: when I've said clearly in every bit of correspondence there's 342 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 4: not a single bit of correspondence. So I've said fine, 343 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 4: I've just said issue the notice and I can't understand 344 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 4: why will do that. They won't do that, but they'll 345 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 4: go to parrap on a Thursday and issue parents parking 346 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 4: infringements on a drop off. 347 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 3: Well, it's revenue raising. 348 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: I am. 349 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm anticipating a phone call from the Lord Mayor to 350 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: us here on the show, so we'll wait and see 351 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: exactly what the council. I've got to say, Brent, thank 352 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: you very much for coming into the studio this morning 353 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: and having a chat with us. Are we going to 354 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: see you on Friday again? You are going to see 355 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: thank You next meeting, so. 356 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: You're in again. Good on you mate, Thank you, appreciate it.