1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Kerry Gribble dropped by White 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Fox for body shaming, Mikayla Tester, the revelations from the 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan doco, and the Target Christmas event that 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: feels like deja vu. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: twice a week. I'm Sophie Tolbert and Kate. This weekend 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 1: was Reese's Big Bucks party. What went down? Well, I 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: don't know if it was a big Bucks party. It 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: was rather tame from what I've heard. We actually ended 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: up coming home after the boys. So we had gone 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: out to a girl's dinner and did some Christmas light 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: looking afterwards. I loved. While we were looking at Christmas lights, 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: I got this call from Dale and he was giving 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: me all the goss on the night. I was like, 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: what went down? We know the door side of things. 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: I was like, what is he saying? So Dale was 17 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: telling me basically that Reese got absolutely burnt at the races, 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: but it sounded like he'd been up to no good. 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: So when I got off the phone, Cakes like, oh 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: my god, what happens? I'm like, you're not gonna like this, Kate. 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: He's completely burnt. Look. I didn't like it. My reaction 22 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: was quite bad. I was like, what the fuck because 23 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: I am just so fanatic about suncream, and I was 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: kicking myself because all the other partners seemed to provide 25 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: their partners with sun cream. Well, they looked like they'd 26 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: been skiing. You know when people go skiing and they 27 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: get the burn and they have the visor marks. Because 28 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: both of them had sunglasses marks and I remember to 29 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: put those on. They looked like lobsters. We were meant 30 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: to be going out for breakfast the next day. I 31 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: think Reese needed some food to soak up the alcohol, 32 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm actually too embarrassed to go out. 33 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: I've never been so proud of my partner because before 34 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: he left he brought his acubra hat with him and 35 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: also he said, I'm putting sun cream on in the car. 36 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: And I feel he must also take home the Fiance 37 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: of the Night award because according to Dale, they were 38 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: having a little bit of a dance on the dance 39 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: floor and a group of girls came up to them, well, 40 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: more specifically came up to Brandon, and he apparently looked 41 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: at them and ran away. I've taught him well. 42 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: I've obviously read comments from a few videos that brands 43 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: have possed with me looking again stunning, being like, she 44 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: looks so different, she looks. 45 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: A lot chubbier. 46 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: Adelaide influencer Carrie Gribble has been dropped by fashion label 47 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: White Fox Boutique for body shaming fellow OnlyFans creator Mikayla Tester. 48 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: In the Drunken snapchat story, Kerry called Mikayla fat and 49 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: said she was taken back by how different she looked. Now, Sophie, 50 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: can you take us back to the start. What has 51 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: gone down? Well? The storm really erupted on social media 52 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: when Mikayla shared a TikTok video revealing that a girl 53 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: she had just met at an event had publicly called 54 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: her fat. So In the video, Mikayla is drinking a 55 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: glass of water and she spins around to show her body, 56 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: and she captured the video. A girl I met at 57 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: an event called me fat on a snapchat story hours later. 58 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: If she thinks this is what fat is, I'm concerned now. 59 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: Michayla didn't name the girl, but it didn't take long 60 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: for followers to work out who it was, and they 61 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: started sharing clips of the snapchat story. If the hell 62 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: uses snapchat now to update people, I would assume she 63 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: would have put this on TikTok. I love how this 64 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: is your biggest problem with you. Oh no, it's definitely 65 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: not my big She was appalling what she said, Well, 66 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: do you think it was our private snapchat story and 67 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: it's somehow leaked? Maybe? Well, the woman at the center 68 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: of this, Carrie Gribble, she's come out and said that 69 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: the snapchat was intended for her best friends. She didn't 70 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: mean to upload it on her Snapchat story. She was 71 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: quite drunk at the time when she made the snapchat. 72 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: That old chestnut. Now, Sophie, last week you put your 73 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: foot in it and said that Adelaide doesn't really have 74 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: any influencers other than Kayla had seen us. Now we're 75 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: talking about a big Adelaide influencer. She's putting us on 76 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: the map here. So Carrie, as you said, is from 77 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: our hometown Adelaide, and she has one hundred and twenty 78 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: two thousand followers on Instagram. She's also quite big on OnlyFans. 79 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: What a proud moment for us having an influencer who 80 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: body shames and other influencer Now. In the video, which, 81 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: as we said, Carrie uploaded to her Snapchat story accidentally, 82 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: she said that she was providing people with a public 83 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: service announcement about Mikayla. Here's what she said. 84 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 4: Public announcement ca let youse all know that an't you. 85 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: Mikayla Testa is fun in person. 86 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: Social media is thing. 87 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: As you can imagine, this story was swiftly removed from 88 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: social media, but not before it was widely circulated. So 89 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: this led to hordes of women calling for Kerry to 90 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: be sacked from her ambassador role, which she held at 91 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: White Fox Boutique. And it was pretty crazy because I 92 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: looked up the hashtags that were trending and there were 93 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: so many girls creating TikTok video saying I'm not going 94 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: to support White Fox Boutique if they celebrate someone who 95 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: body shames women. Well, Sarah's days done some pretty scandalous 96 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: things in the past and they've never dropped her. Yeah, 97 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: but the difference is that most scandalous things she did 98 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: involved a White Fox Boutique campaign they were on, so 99 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: they're profoually going to drop her, and I'm wondering if 100 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: Kerry's actually making them that much money or is she 101 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: someone who's just been to events or been given free clothes, Like, 102 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: what's actually the status there. I feel like she's just 103 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: someone who has a discount code. And I think also 104 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: the fact that this article gained a lot of mainstream 105 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: public attention is why White Fox also had to come 106 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: out with a comment. So they told that Kerry is 107 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: no longer an affiliate of their brand. And it was 108 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: quite interesting because Influencer Updates was of course posting about 109 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: this big story, and Mikayla Tester actually commented under the 110 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: post and she said, PSA White Fox Boutique does not 111 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: contone body shaming or anything of this nature and has 112 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: supported me one hundred percent on this. She is in 113 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: the bin, don't worry. Oh well, now, I think it's 114 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: a great move that White Fox Boutique have dumped Kerry, 115 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: but I do wonder if it's got anything to do 116 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: with this alleged screenshot of a DM between Kerry and 117 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: a friend that's floating around so Ozzie. Influencer Opinions shared 118 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: the screenshot and in the messages, Kerry is discussing how 119 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: she wanted to get some free stuff from White Fox Boutique, 120 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: and Kerrie was explaining that she wanted to buy some 121 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: stuff from White Fox Boutique, be thought, oh, why don't 122 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: I use my following and get some free stuff. She 123 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: then told her friend that she should do the same, 124 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: and she ended up actually screenshotting her partner's demographics and 125 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: sending them off as her own because he had more 126 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: female followers than she did. So I'm wondering if this 127 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: is a part of it, because allegedly we must say 128 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: we don't know if this screenshot is real or not, 129 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: but this has been shared online. It looks pretty legit. 130 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: And the thing is, I do wonder if White Fox 131 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: Boutique might tighten up how they look for influencers, because 132 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: we've spoken a lot on this podcast about how we 133 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: question some female influencers demographics because they've seen a lot 134 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: of female influencers posting images that appear to be for 135 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: the male gaze, and you're kind of like, well, do 136 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: they have a female following? And I see the people 137 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: commenting and males most of people liking the content. Males. Yeah. Well, 138 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: I think that White Fox Boutique wanted to get onto 139 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: this pretty quickly because they have been criticized in the 140 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: past for only using a specific type of model, those 141 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: that are very skinny and fittest specific sort of aesthetic. 142 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: So I think that White Fox has been clever to 143 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: actually listen to the backlash that they're receiving an act 144 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: on it quickly. The thing is, I suppose it's easier 145 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: to cut someone off that they just give free clothes 146 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: to rather than an ambassador and said before like a 147 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day, Like, it's pretty easy to be like, well, 148 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: let's cross them off the free they're not getting anything. Well, well, 149 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: Kerry has written a rather lengthy and questionable statement on 150 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: her Instagram story. So she started the statement by outlining 151 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: that it's not an apology video, which was quite clear 152 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: because it was a written statement, not a video. She 153 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,559 Speaker 1: then continued saying she won't be making an apology video 154 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: because the only person she needs to apologize to is Mikayla, 155 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: and that everyone else is just here because they're bored 156 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: and think that they have a say in everybody's drama. Now, 157 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: this comment instantly got me offside because she's already downplaying 158 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: the gravity of her comments, and instead of acknowledging what 159 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: she did, she then tried to create this pity party 160 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: around herself and shift the blame towards Michayla. So she said, 161 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm not a problematic person. I do not put my 162 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: business online. I'm a full grown adult. If I have 163 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: a problem, I speak to the person about it. I 164 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: do not, and never ever will condone putting the problem 165 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: online for the other party to be bullied. Now, I'm sorry, 166 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: but Mikayla didn't even name you in that video, Kerry, 167 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: and in my opinion, she had every right to name 168 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: her if she wanted to, because Carrie was the one 169 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: who publicly put Mikayla's name out there and flatly body 170 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: shamed her to her snapchat unfollowed, who's to say it 171 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: was a mistake. Yeah, Well, the thing is, it's like 172 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: she's saying, oh, I never put my stuff online. Well 173 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: you did. This is your fault, this is your accident. 174 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: And also it seems like she's saying, oh, it's okay 175 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: to body shame people behind their back. It's not like 176 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: she acknowledged that there was anything wrong with what she said. 177 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: And that's the thing. She made. The whole half of 178 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: this statement about how everyone has been awful to her 179 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: and is bullying her following these comments, So she continues 180 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: saying that most creators know they have a whole support 181 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: team who will basically jump on any issue. So she's saying, here, 182 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: Mikayla full well knew that by her putting that video 183 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: out there, I was going to cop shit for it. Well, 184 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: the whole stand culture and standing stands against you is 185 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: a big thing. But I feel like I know Mikayla 186 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: is the bigger influencer here. But it's not like this 187 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: girl is unknown. She wasn't named though. That's the thing. 188 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: She doesn't even name her. And to be honest, I 189 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: feel like this may pay off big dividends for her 190 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: because people seem to genuinely forget what the big drama 191 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: was about and then they just remember, oh, Kerry Gribble, 192 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: she's well known. I mean I'd never heard of it before, 193 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: and we live in Adelaide now. She finally then went 194 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: into what actually happened and wrote, to go into context 195 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: of the video, I do not think that Mikayla is fat. 196 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: Her and I could wear the same clothes and I 197 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: do not think of myself as fat. And then she 198 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: put in brackets, so everyone commenting saying, I'm so fat 199 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: and disgusting. Joke's on you. It doesn't hurt me because 200 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: I know I'm not. Now, this whole statement was confusing 201 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: as it is, because there wasn't really much punctuation going on. However, 202 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: she then tried to condone her body shaming by saying, 203 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: I also don't find being called fat as an insult. 204 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't make me upset. And to all the girls 205 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: out there who do get called fat, I think you're beautiful. 206 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: Fat is not a disgusting word to me. Now, what 207 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: she's trying to do here is to pretend that she 208 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: didn't mean any harm by that snapchat about Mikayla, And 209 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: she's putting the blame on others for interpreting her comments. 210 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: So she's trying to say that she wasn't putting an 211 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: air give connotation on the word. It's complete gas lighting. 212 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: We all know what she meant by that. Why would 213 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: you do a public service announcement to your friends about 214 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: someone's body shape anyway? She was doing it in a 215 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: negative way exactly. So she then continued and said, when 216 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: first meeting Mikayla, she was super kind and lovely, and 217 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: same with the second time. I was taken back because 218 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: Mick looked different in person, but not bad. She was 219 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: still gorgeous. Jeez, kind of reminds you of Skywheatly apology. Yeah, 220 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: it reminds me because most of the time, most big 221 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: influences are quite polished and they'll have a PR person 222 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: working on an appropriate comeback. It's quite clear that she 223 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: came up with that herself. Oh well, otherwise a PR 224 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: team would need to be fired on the spot. I 225 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: felt really bad for Mikayla because Carrie's comments come just 226 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: after she spoke about how her body shouldn't be something 227 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: that people aim for and that she underwent a lot 228 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: of plastic surgery in order to please men in her life. 229 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: And while she's being really strong and saying, you know, 230 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: calling Carrie out, I feel like this would impact on 231 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: her mental health a lot, particularly because she's saying that 232 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: she's going through a really difficult time at the moment. 233 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: Regards to Kerry's apology, a better PR move for her 234 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: would have just been saying, what I said was awful. 235 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: I apologize. I have no excuse. It was shit what 236 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: I said, and I'm going to learn from it. Anything 237 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: would have been like, oh no, you guys got the 238 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: wrong end of the stick. Well, I've been bullied here. 239 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: The other thing I find really shocking is that it 240 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: was only a few months ago when Mikayla went through 241 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: her breakup with addis that a lot of people were 242 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: really worried about her because she'd had dramatic weight loss 243 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of concern about her. And 244 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: then back in November, followers started to comment on Mikayla's 245 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: weight gain after she attended a White Fox boutique event. 246 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: So Mikayla actually called out the comments and she said 247 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: that she had put on nine kilos, but she loves 248 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: how she looks. Here's a snippet of what she said. 249 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: It's come to my attention and apparently a lot of 250 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: other people's attention to that I've gained a few pounds, 251 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 2: maybe kilos. 252 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 4: That's what they're say in Australia. 253 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: You know what, I don't give a fuck. 254 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: I don't care that I'm getting my killers. 255 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: I look good. I look good. 256 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: I don't care I have bigger boops, bigger stomach, bigger arms. 257 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: When I just thought, maybe that's a good thing. Maybe 258 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: I like being bigger, Maybe I like being sick. 259 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: Remember a few months ago when I was like heartbroken 260 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: out of my mind, and I looked like this, don't 261 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: forget this. I have gained nine kilograms in like, however 262 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: long I was in the US for like, I've gained 263 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: it in that time. So of course I'm gonna look 264 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: very different nine kilograms. 265 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 4: There's a lot of. 266 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: Difference to a person. But I still stand behind what 267 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: I said. I love how I look, and I'm going 268 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: to keep going. I'm gonna order room slows right now. 269 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: How about we just don't comment on people's weight. I mean, 270 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 1: I just don't understand what the point of this was 271 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: if people had just shut up and kept their opinions 272 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: to themselves. I mean, it's not something that we should 273 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: be discussing in general. I mean, obviously we're talking about 274 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: this as a topic, but it just makes me feel 275 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: really gross that it's such a focus at the moment. 276 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: It really feels like we're going back to those early 277 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: naughties when everyone is talking about weight. And I know 278 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: I can't be a naive and act like it doesn't happen, 279 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: but I am quite shocked that this is being discussed 280 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: by gen Z's. 281 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 3: God, I'm just making a quick salad for everyone checking 282 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: my house in a Target. I'm talking like new place, 283 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 3: like glasses, trees, everything. I can't wait to share it 284 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: with you. And also surprise, Mickey, I'm hosting a few 285 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: dinners and I'm going to invite all the people that 286 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 3: I have promised that i'd make dinner for but I 287 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: haven't done so yet, So I'm really excited for you 288 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 3: guys to see that as well. 289 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: On Friday, we discussed the lack of OD disclosure at 290 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: Targets Christmas dinners hosted by Khan Ong. Since then, we 291 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: have received messages from some of the influences in attendance 292 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: and Karan has hosted more famous friends. So Kann has 293 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: been a busy boy since our last episode. Kate, Yes, 294 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: he's hosted another Christmas party since we last spoke to 295 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: the delight of Target exactly right now. He shared the 296 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: beautiful table setting on his Insta story and wrote, I 297 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: decided this morning to have people over again lol, And 298 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: what a coincidence. They ended up being top Australian influencers again. 299 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: So Olivia Rodgers was there alongside her stylist Paul for SACI. 300 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: Former Bachelor Matt Agnew was also in attendance as well 301 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: as podcaster at Sarah Davidson, I feel so sorry for 302 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: Kahn's regular friends, these people who were sitting at home 303 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: seeing these dinner parties being like, where the fuck's my invite? 304 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. 305 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: Well, it's quite funny because since our episode, he has 306 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: started putting up a few more reels, and it's good 307 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: to see this time he's using the paid partnership tool 308 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: on Instagram and putting hashtag at. So he shared a 309 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: reel explaining how the styling team at Target had come 310 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: over to his house and decked the whole place out 311 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: in the Christmas range. Do you know it cracks me up? 312 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: This weekend, this dinner party really did have an effect 313 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: on me. I had to go and check out Target's 314 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: homewhere range and Christmas d Finally enough, all the things 315 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: that were featured were basically sold out. That we're gone, 316 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: I know, because Khan did this individual trifle recipe with 317 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: these beautiful glasses from Target, and as you said, they're 318 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: completely sold out. So this promotion clearly is working and 319 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: making a lot of money for the brand. Now this 320 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: reel you were talking about, Kate, where Khan was explaining 321 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: the basically how the stylist had come into his house. 322 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: They'd even changed his TV cabinet and everything. So it's 323 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: basically this was a set almost that the Target had 324 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: created it. And he had five Christmas trees like all 325 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: this different sized christe strees amazing, So it blew my mind. 326 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: He clearly lives in the same sort of flat apartment 327 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: as Olivia Rogers. His room looks identical to her. Maybe 328 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: you know they are neighbors, so popping over to get 329 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: some sugar from the neighbor. Yeah, and that's the thing. 330 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: I also saw on YouTube Riley Hempsen, So she we 331 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: spoke about last week how she had also been hosting 332 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: some of these dinner parties and she had a whole 333 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: YouTube talking about how Target had come over and transformed 334 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: her house. So this is clearly a big deal for Target. 335 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: They're putting a lot of money and effort into it 336 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: because she's based in Queensland and they flew their styling 337 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: team from mel Target. If he came to Adelaide and 338 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: we did well, we could have Kerry Gribble there, we 339 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: could have It's seen us. We definitely say hashtag ad. 340 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: Now he did provide further information about the event. He said, 341 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm hosting a few dinners and going to invite all 342 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: the people that I've promised that I'm going to make 343 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: dinner for and haven't yet. And in the caption of 344 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: the real he wrote, over the next few weeks, I'll 345 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: be helping you with ideas to host your family and 346 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: friends over this holiday season. Think side recipes, cocktails, decorating, 347 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: and table settings. Now we have a couple of messages 348 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: from influencers who did attend the initial Christmas party, so 349 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: Tarlie Smyth was the first to share feedback. So on 350 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: our Instagram post about the episode, she wrote, Hey gals, 351 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: I can't speak on behalf of anyone else, but I 352 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: wasn't paid a cent to attend. I copped a last 353 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: minute invite and I went A for the food and 354 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: b for the company. I also made it clear whilst 355 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: going through my Santa sack that this wasn't paid or sponsored. 356 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: It's interesting that Tully made the point that it was 357 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: a last minute invite because Sarah Davidson also put up 358 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: an instant story this week saying, oh, when Cahn contacts 359 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: you at five PM about a dinner party at six, 360 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: So it seems to be this narrative that it's a 361 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: last minute invite that they're not aware of. But is 362 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: that actually the case. Did you see some of the 363 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: food that was being served at this event. It's like 364 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: this full on glazed ham like that takes more than 365 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: an hour to cook. Now, we did also receive a 366 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: DM from Laura Henshaw where she said, I just want 367 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: to let you know Steph and I were not paid 368 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: to attend or by Target for anything. We just love 369 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: Kahn and wanted to go as we hadn't caught up 370 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: in so long. We always disclose if we're paid. Laura 371 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: also added I never ever would want to miss said anyone, 372 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: and didn't share any of the gifts, but thank you 373 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: so much for sending all the info through. Now. We 374 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: did really appreciate Tully and Laura reaching out, and they 375 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: were really kind and respectful about sharing their experience. But 376 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: I think it really highlights the confusion in the influencer 377 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: industry about paid partnerships and gifted content. So I thought 378 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: it would be good to go through what the rules 379 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: actually are to ensure complete clarity for influencers who may 380 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: be listening and also the general public. Now, in terms 381 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: of the rules, it seems like influencers are aware if 382 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: there is a set contract and there's payment that they 383 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: do have to disclose that it is an ad. However, 384 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: Laura and Tiley both seemed a bit confused why they 385 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: had to say if something was gifted, and they thought 386 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: that by attending that they were essentially only invited by 387 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 1: Khan and therefore the partnership was just with Khan and 388 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: they didn't actually have to disclose. I actually think that 389 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: Laura Henshaw hasn't done anything wrong. Okay, I know there 390 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: is a bit of a gray area, but she didn't 391 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: share any of the gifts that she was given in 392 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: the Santa sack. She didn't tag Target. She just put 393 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: up a photo that she had at an event where 394 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: they were getting free food. So maybe, but maybe Khan 395 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: hasn't disclosed. Hey, I'm actually this is a deal with Target. 396 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: Well O friends, Well, he only puts hashtag spond con 397 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: and he didn't he suddenly found the paid partnership after 398 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: our podcast. It was only I think it was only 399 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: three or four days ago where he posted this reel 400 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: really going into the deal with Target, and I wonder 401 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: if that was a request from Target. I just wonder 402 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: if Khan has been misleading and what he's told the 403 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: influences about this event and the gravity of this sponsorship. 404 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: On Amy, there was an event photographer. They're taking photos 405 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: of the influencers with their Santa sax. All the top 406 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: Possie influencers were there. Jarde Tunci was flown over put 407 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: up at the Crown Hotel. I think it's a bit 408 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: naive to suggest that they didn't know about it. Okay, 409 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: it is interesting that they weren't paid. However, when you 410 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: do have a look at the guidelines, content is considered 411 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: to be advertising if it is shown to consumers or 412 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: the public in a way that is calculated to promote 413 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: a product or service. Now I have got an example 414 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: for you. So AMCO have provided a scenario to help 415 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: people with further clarification on the rules around gifting and 416 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: AMCO are the Australian Influencer Marketing Council. Now, in the scenario, 417 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: a brand organizes an event where they invite a number 418 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: of influencers to attend and the brand gives each influencer 419 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: a sample bag of products at the event. Now, some 420 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: of the influencers post from the event about the products 421 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: at the event. Now, AMCO says that ad disclosure is 422 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: required in this scenario because the brand sought out the 423 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: known influencers and provided them with free products, likely with 424 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: the intention to promote the brand and its product. But 425 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: what happens if Khan invited them, not the brand and 426 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: there's been no contract or an okay, so there doesn't 427 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: need to actually be a contract with any of the influencers. 428 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: So basically there is a scenario that AMCO goes through 429 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: where a friend or a family member gift and influencer 430 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: a product from a brand. Now an influenzer wouldn't have 431 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: to provide ad disclosure if the friend or the family 432 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: member didn't have a relationship with the brand, and then 433 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: this instance can't has a relationship with the brand. The 434 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: thing where I think there's been a lot of confusion 435 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: is that a meal is actually considered a gift as well, 436 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: particularly when that meal is taking place in an area 437 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: that has been set up by a brand. I actually 438 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: feel for these influencers because I don't think that any 439 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: of them were trying to do the wrong thing. I 440 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: think that influencers are trying to be more wise and 441 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: use a lot of paid partnerships. I think there was 442 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: just confusion here. Well, the whole thing is I think 443 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: the whole situation is totally manipulative, the way that this 444 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: that these Target products are being advertised, because as you said, 445 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: they've set up a complete set. We're led to believe 446 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: that these are just friends having a dinner party even 447 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: though they're Australia's top influencers. There are so many people 448 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: who are going to view that, and if the influencers 449 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: are confused, surely the general public is going to be 450 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: confused around is this an AD? So I actually think 451 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: it's Target's fault. I don't think it's the influencers who 452 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: are invited. So these influencers, they're earning a lot of 453 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: big money. They need to keep up with the rules 454 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: have been out since two need to keep up with 455 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: the rules. But I think there's been completely blurred lines. 456 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: I think it's been like a loophole. I think it's 457 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: been a really, as you say, manipulative slash strategic event 458 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: because I actually think that Khan is genuinely friends with 459 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 1: a lot of these people. So I wouldn't have an 460 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: issue if Karan is getting paid for this event and 461 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: he genuinely invited Joe Blog down the road, who's his friends? 462 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: He does have following. That's what Riley Hempsen did. She 463 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: didn't invite all these influences and she obviously just got 464 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: paid herself. I noticed that the second dinner party that 465 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: none of the guests tag Target. Well, it didn't seem 466 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: like they were treated with the royal treatment as the 467 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: first law. I didn't see any Santa Sax. I don't 468 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: know if people just decided not to share them. The 469 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: thing is gifting is so prevalent in the influencer industry 470 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: that I think it is really important that influencers and 471 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: brands know the rules around it. And I think that 472 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: in this instance, Target should have provided influences with clear 473 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: terms and conditions because they need to be very clear 474 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: to the people that are attending this event. This is 475 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: a promotional event, and if you are going to post 476 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: about the gifted products or service, you need to clearly 477 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: disclose that this is an AD and it has been 478 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: gifted for you for free. And I think this is 479 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: actually an amazing concept that Target have come up with, 480 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: but it's just fallen in terms of actually meeting the 481 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: AD standards code. That's a thing Everyone who has been 482 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: invited to Carn's dinner party they're bang on the target demographic. 483 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: As someone in that target demographic, I love all of 484 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: the people that are invited. I think they're all aspirational 485 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: and just needed to be across Gifted. And what a 486 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: coup to get Laura Henshaw and Steph kles Smith there 487 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: for free. I know that really surprises me as someone 488 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: working in PR. That is a really big effort to 489 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: get them to attend for free. I just don't know 490 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: why they were so against just putting hashtag gift. Like 491 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: to me, it just seems so easy to cover your 492 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: own ass. Just the whole rule is go over and 493 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: above just to make sure that it's clear what the partner. 494 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: But I think sometimes you look like a bit of 495 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: a Wayne Can when you're like hashtag gifted. I know 496 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: that it's the right thing to do, but I think 497 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: that's why they're trying to avoid it. Yeah, but then 498 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: it just makes them look bad because they get pulled 499 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: into these scenarios where it sounds like they were going 500 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: to support their friend and just had put hashtag gift. 501 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: This could have all been avoided, and to be fair, 502 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: TUG should have let them. Note these are the guidelines 503 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: and you need to adhere to it. If you're coming 504 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: to this event, TI. 505 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 4: I'm Meghan, and I play a mean game of scrabble. 506 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: Last week, over two point four million people tuned in 507 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: to watch Harry and Meghan's much anticipated tell all Netflix documentary, 508 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: and the first three episodes didn't disappoint, doubling the audience 509 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: of the Crown Amy. I was absolutely glued to this 510 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: docker I couldn't get enough of it. I was so 511 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: disappointed when the three hours ended. There were some pretty 512 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: big TV moments. I think the first is how they met. Yeah, 513 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: because we'd previously heard that they'd been introduced by friends, 514 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: but the reality was that Harry had actually spotted Meghan 515 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: on Instagram. And this is the most modern twist on 516 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: the fairy tale, isn't it meeting your princess on Instagram 517 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: or through Instagram. It blew my mind because he said 518 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: that he saw her first with a Snapchat filter on, 519 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: and it was very twenty sixteen because she had the 520 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: Damnation ears on. I also loved hearing about their first date. 521 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: So apparently Harry was half an hour late and he 522 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: arrived a sweaty mess, and then Meghan was late for 523 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: the next day. Yeah. I felt like that was a 524 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: bit tit for tat. She wanted to make sure you 525 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: knew it was only two minutes, because she doesn't like 526 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: being late to things. Can you imagine if this foreign 527 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 1: prince had asked you out on a date, and you're 528 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: sitting there at this restaurant like a mug, waiting for 529 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: half an hour. 530 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 2: I know. Well. 531 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: The docco also began by showing a clip of Meghan 532 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: being interviewed back in her suit's day, so this is 533 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: well before she met Prince Harry, and in the interview 534 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: she was asked a series of short questions and one 535 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: of those happened to be who would you prefer Prince 536 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: Harry or Prince William? And you could just tell she 537 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: did not give a fuck about the royal family. She 538 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, well, I don't think it's 539 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: so Harry. I think it's more that she just didn't 540 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: know much about them. And I think it was a 541 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: really clever way to start the documentary because there's been 542 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: so much criticism that Meghan is strategic and a social 543 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: climber and she set out to become a princess, and 544 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: it just seems like that couldn't be further from the truth. Look, 545 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: I absolute love the docor and think it was really 546 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: cleverly put together. But one bit I probably would have 547 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: emitted was the way Meghan Markle referred to Harry as H. 548 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: I just feel like, either she's using the code word 549 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: because maybe she used to call him H when she 550 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: didn't want to let on that they were dating, or 551 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: it's a way to show that they're really close. And 552 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: the friends were calling him H as well, and it 553 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: was all very good. That's the thing. They started going 554 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: through the love story and I was like, this is 555 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: so cute, and then she said oh and then I 556 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: met H. And then the friend was like when Meghan 557 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: met H, I was like, this is just too American, 558 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: this is too Hollywood. That he caught as well. Yeah, 559 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: but you can imagine the British people watching it would 560 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: be like, oh shut up. My favorite bit was how 561 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: he's also known as Prince Has so as you said, 562 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: he first spotted Meghan when she was that Darmation snapchat 563 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: filter and he messaged the friend saying, hey, who is she? 564 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: And it's funny because the friend then went to Meghan 565 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: and said, Prince has is interested in you, and she's like, 566 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: who the FUCKX Prince has se. I assumed that he 567 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: much must have watched suits, so he clearly had no 568 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: I did. 569 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: She was. 570 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: She was just hot, yeah with a dog filter on. 571 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: I think one of my other favorite moments has got 572 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: to be the curtsy. This was fucking classic. Well, this 573 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: is one of the most This has been highlighted as 574 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: one of the most cringe moments of the Docker. It 575 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: was hilarious as goal, I think we need to throw 576 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: to a grab of what she said. 577 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 4: And driving up and he's you know how a curtsy rate? 578 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 4: And I just thought it was a joke. Now I'm 579 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 4: starting to realize this is a big deal. I mean, 580 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: Americans will understand this. We have medieval times dinner and tournament. 581 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 4: It was like that, like I curtsied as though I 582 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 4: was like, pleasure to meet you, your Majesty. 583 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: Was that okay? People thought that this moment was disrespectful 584 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: because they said that she was mocking the queen and 585 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: traditions that have been around for thousands of years. But 586 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: I loved this moment because I thought it was really relatable. 587 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: If I got pulled into the royal family and someone said, oh, 588 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: you've got to do this curtsy. We all have a 589 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: laugh about it. But she wasn't mocking the queen. She 590 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: was mocking herself. It was hilarious. A lot of people 591 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: were saying though that they thought Prince Harry looked really 592 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: embarrassed when she was telling the story. He did look 593 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: like he was giving a dirty look. Well, I felt 594 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: like he was more you know when you kind of 595 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: get annoyed by your partner and you're like, oh, you've 596 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: heard this, like what or why are you telling this story? 597 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: I thought she might tell the story but not do 598 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: the dramatic curtsy. It was hilarious. I think he shouldn't 599 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: have given the look, though, because it just gives people 600 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: ammo to be like, oh, look, he's already annoyed her. 601 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: The thing is Megan saying she didn't know how to 602 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: Curtsey was actually a very interesting point because you would 603 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: assume that the Royals were people coming into the royal 604 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: family would be taught the etiquette, and it seems like 605 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: she had no one telling her what she should be doing. 606 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: I mean, she was talking about how she used to 607 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: wear a lot of neutrals and beige because she wasn't 608 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: allowed to wear color and she didn't want to be 609 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: seen to be taking any attention away from the top royal. Well, 610 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: that's because there's rules about what colors you can wear, 611 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: so you're not allowed to where the same color as 612 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: the Queen. And I love the fact that Meghan brought 613 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: the Princess Diaries into it. So she said, of course 614 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: everyone's seen that movie, and you'd think that you would 615 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: get some sort of person teaching you what to do, 616 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: but that doesn't exist. Well, that was one of the 617 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: biggest revelations I think of the documentary that she claimed 618 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: that nobody helped her. One thing that really stood out 619 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: to me was that this seems to be a true 620 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: love story, like you can tell that they are really 621 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: into each other. And I loved how protective Harry was 622 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: of Meghan, and I think the thread throughout the series 623 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: regarding his mother and then him wanting to go on 624 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: to protect his family was really touching. You could see 625 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: that scene where Meghan had baby Archie and there was 626 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: a beautiful picture of Princess Diana on the wall and 627 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: Meghan was saying, this is Grandma Diana. I had chills 628 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: down my smile too. I even had to shiver them 629 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: when you said the whole Docoe series itself has had 630 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: such high production values. So OSCAR nominated director Liz Garbers. 631 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: She directed the project, and she's done such a great 632 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: job of telling their loves story and getting people invested 633 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: into it. Because I've spoken to people who didn't like 634 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: Meghan before watching this, and they've done a three sixty 635 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: and gone. I actually feel for her and I can 636 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: see why her and Harry were Do you know what, though, 637 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: when I saw the trailer, I initially thought it would 638 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: be more like a reality TV show. We were going 639 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: behind the scenes and seeing sort of vision of what 640 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: they got up to, and I know that they had 641 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 1: vision of them recorded on their phones. But I didn't 642 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: think it was going to be such a high production doco, 643 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: especially because there was a lot of historical facts and 644 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,719 Speaker 1: it feels like they were very much presenting to an 645 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: American audience about how the royal family works and how colonization. Well, 646 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,719 Speaker 1: they were so cleverly weaved into the documentary, and it 647 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: gave people a greater understanding and better context of why 648 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: maybe Harry and Meghan were treated in such way, because, 649 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: as you said, they did talk about different issues of 650 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: racism Colone, and I think that context is so important 651 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: to how people view Megan, because it's really easy to 652 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: forget those things and then be like, oh, she's just 653 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: a victim. Well, she's had a lot of shit things 654 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: done to her. Well, even the way that they explained 655 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: that Meghan would have had to see a lot of 656 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: racist statues and also how one of the guests wore 657 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: a racist badge, and that would be a lot to 658 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: put up with when you already feel like you're the 659 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: odd one out in that family. I enjoyed the insight 660 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: that Megan gave into what it's really like after the 661 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: royals have finished a public event. So Meghan explained that 662 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: she thought once they were behind closed doors, everyone would 663 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: be like, oh good, that's over, let's relax. But she 664 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: explained that when she met Kate and Will for the 665 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: first time and they came over for dinner, they were 666 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: very much what they're like in public as they were 667 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,239 Speaker 1: behind closed doors. So I got the vibe that they 668 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: weren't very chilled. Because Meghan said she was wearing no 669 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: socks jeans, she tried to go in for a hug. 670 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm assuming the hug wasn't really reciprocated. That's the most 671 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: awkward thing I had that happen on the weekend where 672 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: I bumped into people that I hadn't seen for a 673 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: while and I tried to initiate a hug and it 674 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: was very cold. Well, that might be Kateen Wills, and 675 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were expecting more mud 676 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: to be thrown at them. And I mean, there are 677 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: three more episodes to go, but it seems like Harry 678 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: doesn't mind being pretty comfortable behind the scenes because there 679 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: is a video that has gone viral on TikTok and 680 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: it's called the Royal Ick, and it's the scene where 681 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: Harry was bending over with Arching and his jocks are 682 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: hanging out. Now, I do think that there was a 683 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: second scene where his jocks were hanging out when he 684 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: bent over on a date. Well, it's because he was 685 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: wheeling Archie around on his luggage and I reckon. It 686 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: was one of the quite early scenes in The Dog 687 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: First Day. I thought Harry looked hot in I mean, 688 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: not in his jocks in that scene, but with his 689 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: bum But I kind of enjoyed seeing him in his 690 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: TRACKI tacks I got there in normal person because he's 691 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: so used to seeing them in suits. I liked no 692 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: pun intended this. Yes, Oh he was hot when they 693 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: showed him in the army. You know that classic scene 694 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: that they always show on Instagram where he's running after 695 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: this interview. Well, I think one of the most fascinating 696 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: scenes for me was when Prince Harry explained the reciprocal 697 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: agreement the Royal family and the UK press share. So 698 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: this is what's called the Royal Rota, which has been 699 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: in place for over forty years. So it basically gives 700 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: journalists from this list of exclusive papers the opportunity to 701 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: take its turn to go inside royal engagements, break stories 702 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: about the royals, and it's basically a big media pool 703 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: that agrees to distribute the material to the other publications 704 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: within the Royal Rotor system. To me, it seems like 705 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: they're really setting the scene for the next three episodes 706 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: of what's to come, because it's clear Harry and Meghan 707 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: are going to weigh into reports that the firm were 708 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: feeding negative stories about Meghan to the Royal Rotor and 709 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: there's actually a speculation online that this was to cover 710 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: up for more salacious stories going on regarding other senior royals, 711 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: including the Prince Andrew scandal. It was really powerful the 712 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: way that they explained this and also showed a lot 713 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: of vision of Harry as a child being absolutely bombarded 714 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: by the press, and he said that one of his 715 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: earliest memories wasn't about his mum or his dad, it 716 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: was about the press just intruding on his life. And 717 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: particularly when you take into consideration that the media fundamentally 718 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: killed Princess Diana, you can see why he would have 719 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: such a hatred and also such a worry that something 720 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,719 Speaker 1: would happen to his wife. How bizarre was it seeing 721 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: Harry and William and also Eugenie and Buttris being wheeled 722 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: out in front of the media when they were on 723 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: a ski trip and there you could just see the 724 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: two little girls were just like well, ironically, the press 725 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: and also TikTok has seemed to pick up on the 726 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: fact that some of the photos and videos used of 727 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: the media, they're saying they're inaccurate. So basically they found 728 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: out that some of the press pack shots one was 729 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: taken from the premiere of the Harry Potter movie. How 730 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: random is that? Yeah? And another one was also file vision. 731 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: But it's like that's just the course, I mean, that's 732 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: what they do in these sort of docos because they 733 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: won't they don't own the rights to every bit of 734 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: vision that's filmed of the press pack. So they're telling 735 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: a story and I don't think is anybody actually arguing 736 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: the fact that Harry and Meghan have been harassed by them. 737 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: It's just some petty little thing that people who hate 738 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: them can say, Oh, pick it up. They don't really 739 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: get that much attention, of course they do. Another thing 740 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: I found really interesting in the docco was a Meghan's 741 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: relationship with her niece, so that was the niece of 742 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: her estranged sister, and how she wasn't allowed to go 743 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: to the wedding because can you imagine your auntie is 744 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: a part of a royal weaber and you couldn't go. 745 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: I think I saw a moment was like David Beckham's there. 746 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: You know, all these great people are there and you're 747 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: not invited, and it's because her mother who she's estranged from, 748 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: and they're saying all this shit about Meghan in the press. 749 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: Well that and also because the niece was on Meghan's side, 750 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: but it would have highlighted it was a relationship when 751 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: there was a rift there. So she was invited in 752 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: the motherway, Sorry, What an asshole is her dad going 753 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: and taking money from the paparazzi to pose in these shots? 754 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: What a sellout? Her mother's come out as an absolute Godtoria. Oh, 755 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 1: she was incredible, And yeah, the fact that she stayed 756 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: quiet the whole time was there for her daughter. Thank 757 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: God Meghan had her. You can see where Meghan gets 758 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: it from, though she and her mum were so similar. 759 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: That being said, I feel like the director and the 760 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: producers of this doco were very clever because it wasn't 761 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: too much of Meghan talking either, because I feel like 762 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: that's been a big criticism everything shut up and let 763 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: Harry speak and that. Yeah, the first episode was very 764 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: much told from Prince Harry's standpoint, and I feel that 765 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: that was purposely done. Course, there has been some criticism 766 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: that there weren't enough bombshells dropped in the first three episodes, 767 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: and I think this has a lot to do with 768 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: the fact that Prince Harry's book called Spare is coming 769 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: out next year in January, and I think that a 770 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: lot of those bombshells will be saved for that. Well. 771 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: The thing is, they did the whole Oprah, which was 772 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: an expos on what happened. I think this doco is 773 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: more about saving their image because they've copped so much 774 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: shit and it's really hard to hate someone that you 775 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: know well. And I feel like we're learning a lot 776 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: more about Harry and a lot more about Meghan, and 777 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: they're showing their personal sight. I mean, I've always been 778 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: a bit of a fan of Meghan, and I like 779 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: her even more. I also feel like I also feel 780 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: like they wouldn't be wise to come out and just 781 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: start slamming members of the royal foundly, because that's gonna 782 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to do them any favors. However, 783 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: I think the last three episodes are going to be 784 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: more explosive because the first three have been used to 785 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: set the scene. This is who we are, this is 786 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: our love people like, and then we're going to drop something. 787 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: Expect Then we're going to drop something expecting them to 788 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: talk about the Firm and how the firm has directed 789 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: a lot of negative press attention towards Meghan to hide 790 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: stuff that people we don't know, the ins and outs. 791 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: I've spoken to lots of people about the documentary that 792 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: I know people don't know about the rumors online. Do 793 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: some googling everybody the rumors online? When I was online 794 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: William is having an affair? Oh yes, I understand that. 795 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: I thought that was quite common knowledge, though they were 796 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: pushing negative stories about Meghan. The thing is, I mean, yes, 797 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: I suppose because we're journalists, we know more about how 798 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: the media works, and they're definitely setting that up to 799 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: show how manipulative they are. But I think people were 800 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: expecting them to throw mud at William and Kate. Do 801 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: we think that's going to come? I think they were 802 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: weren't expecting Harry and Meghan to throw mud at Charles. 803 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: Let's be honest, they were never going to throw it. 804 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: They have hardly mentioned Charles or William in a at all. 805 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: That's also telling. There's Diana, as we mentioned a number 806 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: of times, yet nothing's been said. The whole thing to 807 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: me is that they are trying to put Meghan on 808 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: the same personal pedestal as Princess Dinah's quite clear that 809 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: they're trying to point out these two women are very similar, 810 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: except one is loved and one is hated. Well, Prince 811 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: Harry even said that Meghan is exactly like my mother 812 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: and reminds me so much of her, and I just 813 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: think this whole documentary has been a stroke of genius. 814 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: We didn't want No one wanted mudslinging, none of the 815 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: English public wanted mudslinging. And all we've seen is how 816 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,919 Speaker 1: in love these guys are, how hard done by they've been, 817 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: and we've really got to know them on a different level. 818 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: On your point about comparing Diana and Meghan, and you 819 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: said one was loved obviously by the public, and one 820 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: was hated by the hated by the public, which is Meghan. 821 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting that also one is loved by her 822 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: partner Harry and Meghan, and one wasn't given the support 823 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: by her partner, Charles. And that's why Prince Harry, he's 824 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: seen the mistakes that Charles has made and he's gone, 825 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: fuck this, We're out where. God, it's not crer. We 826 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: could talk about Meghan and Harry all day, but I 827 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: think that is all we have time for. Thank you 828 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: so much for joining us for today's episode. 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