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Speaker 1: Now, we've spoken quite a bit over recent days about

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Speaker 1: but what would it actually mean to those licensed venues.

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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about this is Kathy Simmons, the CEO of Hospitality

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Speaker 1: here in the Northern Territory. Good morning to you, Kathy.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, how you doing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really good, lovely to have you on the show. Now,

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Speaker 1: do you think it's time to introduce a BDR for

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Speaker 2: No, I don't, No, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Now tell me why and what impact do you think

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Speaker 1: it would have on some of those licensed venues.

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Speaker 2: Look, you know we all live in the territory. We

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Speaker 2: all know alcohol related at harm is a serious issue.

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Speaker 2: But the fact remains that eighty five percent of alcohol

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Speaker 2: the street. That's what's causing, that's fueling the alcohol related harm.

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Speaker 2: It's not pubs and clubs where there's staff who are

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Speaker 1: In terms of like the logistics of there being a

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Speaker 1: it work. I suppose if you go into a nightclub

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Speaker 1: it might be a little bit different. Now, the opposition

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure what she means by certain venues

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Speaker 2: in certain locations. Like I said, every stuff member in

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Speaker 2: other venue is trained in responsible service of alcohol. You

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Speaker 2: want to serve a glass of wine, you want to

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Speaker 2: really you know, that's why we're pushing back on something

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Speaker 1: Do you feel as though we're in a situation in

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Speaker 2: That is kind of what we're feeling. Absolutely it is

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Speaker 2: the focus so far has totally been on regulating the

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Speaker 2: people in the territory, a lot of Territorians are just

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Speaker 1: Kathy, what a business is saying to you at the

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Speaker 2: They're saying to me that they've obviously had enough. Like

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Speaker 2: They're not drunk themselves, they're not interested in drinking themselves.

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Speaker 1: This tell me in terms of the BDR like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. That's the government has said that they're

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Speaker 2: conducting a BDR review, a review that was an election

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Speaker 2: that review and we will be you know, participating in

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Speaker 1: I think now in terms of some locals in Catherine

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't really see it as a reintroduction. The

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Speaker 1: In terms of our police officers or the palis on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely makes a difference. There's if you look

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Speaker 1: Kathy, we did see some changes obviously come into play

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Speaker 2: There's been a few licenses for security to carry pepper spray,

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Speaker 2: capsule spray, The uptake hasn't been super widespread. It's quite

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Speaker 2: I'd like to investigate that a bit more, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: also even if the capsicum spray is issue, like, what

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Speaker 2: are the conditions under which it can be deployed as well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then what are the ramifications for those security

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Speaker 1: sort of going, we'll hang on a set. I don't

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right. I think it is useful as a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is distressing, and it's in your face, like

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Speaker 2: And security for their safety as well are instructed don't engage,

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Speaker 2: don't escalate it. What is going on? What are we

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, and then you know, it

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Speaker 2: That's right, and that's what we've seen in Nightcliffe. You

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Speaker 2: imagine having a security guard at a supermarket. The alcohol

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Speaker 1: Not acceptable at all, and it's really sad then it's happened.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to make the point as well.

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Speaker 2: have the restrictions on venues on alcohol. There's something else

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Speaker 2: individual responsibility on the person who is engaging in harmful behaviors.

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Speaker 1: What interesting isn't it when you go into state like

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Speaker 2: I was like, goodness me, it's because adults can be

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Speaker 2: beers and it's fine. Like it's usually very much fine.

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Speaker 2: But it's irresponsible consumption that causes alcohol related harm. The

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Speaker 2: responsible consumption is not harmful.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, Kathy. In terms of the industry at the moment,

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Speaker 1: be a few more tourists around the place, Like obviously

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Speaker 2: the gardens and coming back to the city afterwards. Maybe

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Speaker 2: back to the city and having a great time afterwards.

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Speaker 2: It feels amazing. Gin Festival this weekend, Temper Trap headlining.

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Speaker 2: Get there for that. It's going to be amazing. And

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Speaker 2: then if Gin's not your thing, that's fine. Nonamar rodeos

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Speaker 2: in the evening as well. You get down there, say

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Speaker 2: hi to Beck and Tony and have a great time.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's always an awesome rodeo out there. Well, Kathy,

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Speaker 1: always good to catch up with you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I know it's a busy week for you guys next

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Speaker 1: week as well with the Hospitality Awards, the Awards of Excellence,

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Speaker 1: so it's going to be a busy week. Thank you

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you