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Speaker 1: Two Good Sports would like to acknowledge the traditional owners

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Speaker 1: Sports news told differently. I'm Georgie Tunney and we're actually

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Speaker 1: taking a break this week, but we wanted to share

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Speaker 1: a previous episode from November last year, one of our

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Speaker 1: best ones. Obviously, do you remember the tale of ang Postacoglu,

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Speaker 1: Well this is here to remind you of it. We

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Speaker 1: has been some developments. The Premier League season has just

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Speaker 1: concluded and Andre's side, Tottenham missed out on the top four,

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Speaker 1: so no Champions League football for Spurs next season. It

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Speaker 1: hasn't quite gone to plan, but Ozzie Ange is sticking

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Speaker 1: So it's a good time to recap and reflect on

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Speaker 1: just how Ange got to this point as coach of

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Speaker 1: a Premier League club. Jeremy, you know how as Australians

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Speaker 1: we love to see ourselves as big hitters, whether it

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Speaker 1: be in geopolitics or sport, and to our credit, a

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Speaker 1: the world game at least in the men's competition. Matilda's

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Speaker 1: you stay on your lofty platform. So how is it

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Speaker 1: that right now one name is changing all that, not

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Speaker 2: He was the first Australian to win Japanese league, first

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Speaker 1: I want to say Australians doing Australian things, but this

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Speaker 4: Truly, that was quite the regime I read for and

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Speaker 4: posta conglu as we need to call him in Australian

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Speaker 3: To say Ossie one more time. I'm like, we get it.

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Speaker 4: Surely we know who this man is, and surely now

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Speaker 3: But a guess, manager, we need to get up terminology.

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Speaker 3: He is an onion Georgie.

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Speaker 4: There are many many layers to and and there's things

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Speaker 3: He goes to the club.

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Speaker 1: That's very Australia, very Australian.

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Speaker 4: And yet he by his own admission, keeps a little

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Speaker 1: Well, we are going to start from the top. We're

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Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, world media went well, this.

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Speaker 1: Is new and they started reporting about Ange posta cogli

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Speaker 1: our ang Ossie Ang as a ted Lasso type. Now

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Speaker 1: But he was this very presents himself as this very

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Speaker 1: So he joins Tottenham the seventh of June twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: But you certainly just don't go from coaching in Australia

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Speaker 3: Who is this? How is he going to prove himself?

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Speaker 4: And and himself describes football in Scotland and saying it

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Speaker 4: He just didn't love that people had apathy towards the

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Speaker 3: And he joined under immense pressure.

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Speaker 4: They just lost the league title to the Rangers, their

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Speaker 4: We know that he's a first in the Premier League,

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, if he does not achieve at Celtic,

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Speaker 3: It wasn't all sunshine rainbow from the very start.

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Speaker 4: They lost three early matches and if you lose four

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Speaker 4: They turn around, boy do they And Celtic won the

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Speaker 4: The next season angelid Celtic to their eighth domestic treble,

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Speaker 1: Now, how much football is too much football?

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Speaker 3: Never enough, they would argue. They would argue.

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Speaker 1: His games managed at Celtic from twenty twenty one to

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Speaker 3: Games they won eighty three of them.

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Speaker 4: Andre's appointed manager of Yoga F Marinos in the j

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Speaker 4: Up and in typical and fashion, it was a bit

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Speaker 1: turn that come around and he will make you a winner.

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Speaker 4: First Australian manager to win the j league title. We

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Speaker 4: everything he does from now on because there's no one

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Speaker 4: name in Asia. Yes, before that, of course, he was

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Speaker 3: You just keep being Ossie and and we love you.

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Speaker 3: How good?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to too Good Sports. And let's hope

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Speaker 1: Ozzie and has better luck next season. This has been

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Speaker 1: an iHeart production. Follow us on Instagram of course at

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Speaker 1: two Good Sports Podcasts. We'll be back next week, but

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Speaker 1: until then, be a good sport