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Speaker 1: Good morning, not too bad, minister. I know that on Friday, well,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, the thousand dollar payments that we put together

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I reckon there will be quite a few people

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Speaker 3: Well, we would absolutely love to be able to reimburse

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Speaker 2: Of these tourism operators because, yeah, the tale does last

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Speaker 1: Well, that'd be good because I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: But it's not a situation where we've run out of

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Speaker 1: Now, moving along, because I know that there are still

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Speaker 2: Oh, I certainly we hear the feedback from people and

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Speaker 1: Now, what about those in the construction industry. We caught

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Speaker 1: Now, just very briefly, I think there is so much

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Speaker 1: discussion happening around the nation about those vaccination rags, about

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Speaker 1: us getting to eighty percent, you know, about that then

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Speaker 1: hopefully being the time when the country sort of opens

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Speaker 1: bit more freely. We caught up with a healthcare worker,

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Speaker 1: a healthcare professional a bit earlier this morning, and she's

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Speaker 1: actually launched an online petition really encouraging people to get vaccinated,

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Speaker 1: not just here in the Northern Territory, but right around Australia, saying,

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Speaker 1: you know that she would like to see a situation where,

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Speaker 1: you know, where everybody does go out and get vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: If they don't, then they're not allowed to travel sort

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Speaker 1: of further than their towns where they live. But those

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Speaker 1: of us who have been vaccinated will be able to

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Speaker 1: move around freely. I mean, what do you think about this?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that should be the case.

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Speaker 2: And I think we almost saw some of that start

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Speaker 2: to play out online last week when people were asking

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Speaker 2: questions about, you know, people that had come from in

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Speaker 2: and what sort of proof and protocols we need to

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Speaker 2: put around that. I think there will come a lot

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Speaker 2: of pressure, particularly in the northern territory where we know

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Speaker 2: that if the disease does get here, the virus will

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Speaker 2: spread really really quickly. We've got some very very vulnerable

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Speaker 2: people there, laughing that we can afford to happen as

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Speaker 2: we're seeing in country New South Wales now, is that

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Speaker 2: creeping out of the city centers and out into some

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Speaker 2: of those remote towns and remote communities. That would be

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Speaker 2: absolutely devastating in the northern territory. So we've worked really

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Speaker 2: really hard with our health professionals make sure that we

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Speaker 2: do get those policy setting right and we'll certainly continue

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Speaker 2: to do that. But yeah, it was an interesting to

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Speaker 2: see people in the community almost starting to ask that

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Speaker 2: question of how are these people from in the state

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Speaker 2: allowed to come here and move around if they can't

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Speaker 2: prove that they've been vaccinated. So it'll be an interesting

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Speaker 2: discussion going forward, I think, Katie, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Reckon it will be well. Minister, Please let us know

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Speaker 1: how you go in terms of getting that further information

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Speaker 1: about whether that payment actually closed on Friday, and be

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Speaker 1: keen to get that info throughout the rest of the show.

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Speaker 1: We've had all possible.

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Speaker 2: Certainly will where we're doing a business visit at a

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Speaker 2: recycling center out Humby, do it at the moment and as

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Speaker 2: soon as we can get that information to you, we

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Speaker 2: will so that your listeners are clear on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff. Thank you, Minister, Minister for Small Business

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Speaker 1: Paul Kirby. Always good to catch up. Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Katie. Cheers