1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: On today's show, a war of words has broken out 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: between two high profile influencers. Lily Brown issues a warning 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: to influence the business owners and Tammy Hembro's new bow 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: spills the beans. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: a week. I'm Kate Torbert, and so if you've got 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: some exciting news to share with us, I can't believe it. 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm officially moving out of my rental and into my 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: own home. This has been a long time coming, and 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: I think I'm more stressed than excited at the moment. 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: It's been a wild week, yeah, because last night we 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: thought you actually weren't going to move in, because we 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: were on our way to family dinner. Dad had the 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: champagne on ice, and suddenly we got all these panic 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: phone calls saying that you got this very confusing building 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: inspection and you didn't know what to do. I can't 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: believe how many pages they sent us of things that 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: were supposedly wrong with this property. And anyone who has 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: gone through the buying process will know that when you 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: read these things, you get a real scare. Oh I 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: remember getting hours and I'm like, we need to pull 22 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: out of the sale because it was like fifteen things 23 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: that are apparently wrong. But when you actually get someone 24 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: to look over it that knows what they're talking about, 25 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: they're like, no, just buy house. Well, we are buying 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: a house that's over fifty years old, so there's always 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: going to be issues with it, and they are things 28 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: that we've worked out we can fix along the way, 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: so they're not as major as they appeared. But cat 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: all back on. It's back on, It's back on. I'm 31 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: just I do feel for everyone who's looking for a 32 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: house at the moment, though, because it is such an 33 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: awful process. There's so many highs and lows. I feel 34 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: like I've been on a roller coaster ride for the 35 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: past six months looking at houses. And I'm a little 36 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: bit jealous because now you guys are both going to 37 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: be living in the hills. But I'm actually so excited 38 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: for you because we now have a halfway point that's 39 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,639 Speaker 1: a bit closer to me up in. I'm just thinking 40 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: of all the jobs I have to do now. Brandon 41 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: and I have this list of all of the things 42 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: that we want to sell at our house so we 43 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: don't have to move it across the other side of town. 44 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: You've only got a thirty day settlement, don't I. I 45 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: think by moving in on the weekend of my hen's party, 46 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: so it was pretty badly timed. Maybe at least I'll 47 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: get out of some of the movie. The most exciting 48 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: thing is right before Christmas, so as soon as you 49 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: have again, you can set up your tree, ghet all 50 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: your decorations sorted. I've already had a domestic with Brandon 51 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: about where I'm gonna set up my tree. So my 52 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: position is that where you set up your tree, it 53 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: has to be in your eye line, so you have 54 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: to be able to look at it whilst you're watching 55 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: TV or enjoying, you know, having a chat with people 56 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: on the couch. He wants to put it in the 57 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: dining room. No way, no way, Tammy Hembro's new boat. 58 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: Matt Sukowski has lifted the lid on his relationship with 59 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: the Gold Coast influencer on his podcast Now Kate. He 60 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: got pretty cancid in this podcast episode. Yeah he really did, 61 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: and I was quite surprised how much detail he actually gave. 62 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: So the biggest takeaway for me was the fact that 63 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 1: he actually slid into Tammy's DM. So it all came 64 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: about when he was doing some planning for his live show. 65 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: So he was sitting around with the producers and they 66 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: suggested getting some influences to the show, and Tammy hen 67 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: Bro's name got brought up. Now, Matt claims that he 68 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: didn't know who Tammy was. He's not familiar with influencers. 69 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: I would more get it if Tammy didn't know who 70 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: Matt was. But I think that Matt would have been 71 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: fully aware who Tammy Hembro. She's one of the country's 72 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: biggest influences. She has got like seventeen million followers. So 73 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: he claimed that he looked Tammy up because he didn't 74 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: know who she was, and he exclaimed, fuck, she looks 75 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: all right, So he decided to send the DM. Now, 76 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: he said, he just simply sent a DM that said, 77 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: would you like to come to our live show? And 78 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: Tammy double tapped it and liked it and nothing more 79 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: was said. From a PR perspective, can you imagine getting 80 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: someone like Tammy Hembro at your event for free? Oh? 81 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: It would be incredible. The thing about the head fuck 82 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: of having her like, you're like, wait a sec. So 83 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: does this mean that she's coming we put for her, 84 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: we reserve a section. And we were having this discussion 85 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: the other day. Is it rude to love heart a 86 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: lengthy text message? Because I think it's okay if it's 87 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: a short message, you know the texting is coming to 88 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: end very light to love heard it. But what about 89 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: if someone sends you a lengthy message with questions. Look, 90 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: I think that when you are in a back and 91 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: forth with someone and you can feel the flow of 92 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: the conversation and you know when it's slowly coming to 93 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: an end, it's acceptable to like that comment. But when 94 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: someone sent you a message and there's a question, or 95 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: there's is quite lengthy, it's obvious that there's some sort 96 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: of response to be had. I feel like it's a 97 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: bit of a power play. It's a bit of say 98 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm too busy. I feel like a lot of people 99 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: use it in dating to look like they're really busy 100 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: and too important to actually respond. Now, Matt waited two 101 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: and a half weeks until he messaged Tammy again, and 102 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: he was really skimming over a lot of details. All 103 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: of a sudden, he said that Tammy had asked him 104 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: if he was in Sydney and he said, no, I 105 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: live in Melbourne, and then she said, oh damn, I 106 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: really want to see you, and that he was like, oh, well, 107 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: I've got some live shows coming up in Sydney, you 108 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: know the ones that I mentioned a Ridge in order 109 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: to contact. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, out 110 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: of nowhere, he decided to fly from Melbourne to the 111 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: Gold Coast to take her out on a date. I 112 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: want to know, did Tammy fly him out, because she's 113 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 1: probably the bigger earner in that relationship. Maybe they paid 114 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty. Well, Matt has spoken in the past 115 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: on his podcast about how he doesn't mind giving out 116 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: the flame emojis to instant story, so I wonder if 117 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: that was what was happening. He was just instantly flaming 118 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 1: everything she put on. Ye I was so lucky these days, 119 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: they don't even have to try to start a conversation 120 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: with you. They can just send some sort of reaction 121 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: back to an Instagram store. Yeah. Well, fortunately Matt's co host, 122 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: Anna mackinvoy did a bit more digging for us and 123 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: she's like, hang on, surely more happened than that, And 124 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: it turns out, yes, they had been chatting quite a bit, 125 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: and Matt said he wasn't sure how his messages were landing, 126 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: so he sent Tammy his number and said call me, 127 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: and from there they had a one hour conversation and 128 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: they realized that they really clicked and Tammy actually got 129 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: Matt's humor. I find this whole relationship confusing because a 130 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: few weeks before this pat photo came out of them 131 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: kissing at the hotel, Tammy was speaking on her TikTok 132 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: about how it's difficult date as a single mother and 133 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 1: how she met a few people and everything was a flop, 134 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: and then suddenly this just seemed to come out of 135 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: left field. Well, she must have been spending a bit 136 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: of time on TikTok because apparently she ended up telling 137 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: Matt that his podcast videos kept coming up in her feed, 138 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: so she definitely knew who he was before he DMed her, 139 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: and she thought he was really cute. Is the algorithm 140 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: now the new way of acting like you're meeting someone 141 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: out of fate, Like, oh, you just kept showing up 142 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: on my TikTok? Now Tammy's a Love Island fan? Maybe? Well, 143 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: Matt did go into details about their first date, and 144 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: he said when he first saw Tammy, there were butterflies 145 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: in his stomach. And he also confirmed that they shared 146 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: a kiss on their first date. So he said that 147 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: Tammy kept staring at him and he said, what are 148 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: you thinking? And she replied, you tell me what I'm thinking, 149 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: and he said, does this mouth taste as good as 150 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: it sounds? Oh? Oh my god, that is so gross. 151 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: I don't think I could give someone a kiss if 152 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: they said that to me. Apparently it worked on Tammy, 153 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: because he said that they both went off separately to 154 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: go to the toilet and met in the hallway and kissed. 155 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: There was some speculation that that first photo taken by 156 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: a follower that went everywhere, was taken on their first date, 157 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: because some people think that they visited a restaurant that 158 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: was part of that hometing. I think what happened is 159 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: Matt was staying at that hotel. They stayed the night together, 160 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: and then they checked out together, and that was the 161 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: photo taken when they were lead. They were casually dressed. 162 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't think you'd wear that for a date. Matt 163 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: has teas that he is going to get Tammy on 164 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: the podcast, and I can't help but think about Travis 165 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: Kelsey's podcast and how there's so much pressure to get 166 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. Well, it's quite clear that Matt is leveraging 167 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: his relationship with Tammy at this point because he's been 168 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: so quick to actually share details about their first date. 169 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: He said he wants to get Tammy on the podcast. 170 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: Obviously this is all going to bolster how many people 171 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,559 Speaker 1: download it. He has had another high profile relationship before, 172 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: and that was with Kira Maguire, who used to be 173 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: on the Bachelor, So he is quite open about his relationships. 174 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: I think that they genuinely must have hit it off well, 175 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: but I also do think it will advantage him in 176 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: this frictly. I mean, it is interesting to note that 177 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: he is the one that shared a photo dump with her, 178 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: but she hasn't actually shared anything to her feed. But 179 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: even if you look back at her past relationship with 180 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: the other Matt, he I don't think he was as 181 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: high profile as Matt. Yeah, but that's because, well you 182 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: think Matt Zukowski's more high profile than Matt Paul. Yeah, 183 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: I do. I definitely do, because he's got a podcast, 184 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: he's got a large Instagram following, he was on free 185 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: to air TV. People know who he is. So from 186 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: Tammy's perspective, it sounds like she was a bit of 187 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: a fan of Matt before. So for her, I don't 188 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: actually I think in her mind it probably seems quite balanced, 189 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: and but she's been a small fry like he's got 190 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand followers compared to her like seventeen million. 191 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: I also think when she says, oh, I know you 192 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: from TikTok, she probably thought, who's this hot model from TikTok. 193 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: I don't think she actually knew much about well. I mean, 194 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that Matt's coming more from the perspective that 195 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: he's actually just so excited by the relationship he wants 196 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: to share. Yeah, he wants to share about it. I 197 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: mean it does open up to a whole new international 198 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: following because Tammy has a lot of followers from America 199 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: and the UK. So it'll be interesting to see if 200 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: it does bolster his Instagram following. Because the difference between 201 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 1: this Matt and Matt Paul is that Matt Sakowski obviously 202 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: is in the media, is happy to share about his relationships, 203 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: and wants to grow his following. I'm just going to 204 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: put it out they obviously hanging with the Hembros didn't 205 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: work out. I'd like to see Matt and Tammy on 206 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: a reality show, him meeting the kids, them living to 207 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: the other potent. Wouldn't that be good. Lily Brown has 208 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: issued a warning to influencers out there, don't get taken 209 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: advantage of when you launch a brand. The pajama mogul 210 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: revealed she caught a staff member allegedly cooking the books 211 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: in the early days of her brand Chill. Yeah. So, 212 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: Lily was actually interviewing Mitch Orvil at the time, and 213 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: she revealed that the staff member was allegedly adding an 214 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: extra forty percent into her production invoices and pocketing at herself. 215 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: Let's throw to some of what she said. I had 216 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: someone come up on board when I launched Chill that 217 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: was just so toxic, and she literally was like a 218 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: cancer in my business. Mitch ended up adding in that 219 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: he'd been down that road before, which I thought was 220 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: interesting because I don't know if he's referring to zep. 221 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: In previous episodes, Lily was talking about how she got 222 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,359 Speaker 1: financial advice from someone who actually didn't have any financial qualifications, 223 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: so I'm not sure if it was this collige. She 224 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: does seem to have been shafted by a couple of 225 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: people when setting up this business. It sounds hard to believe, 226 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: doesn't it, thinking, Oh, how did Lily not notice? But 227 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: when I mean, we all manage our own finances, and 228 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: you've really got to know your shit to be able 229 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: to pick up stuff like that and be constantly looking 230 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: at all of your activity statements, So I can see 231 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: how it could happen. And if you think about it, 232 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: Not to generalize or throw shade, but a lot of 233 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: influencers have gone from filming videos in their bedroom as 234 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: teenagers to starting up these influencer brand so it is 235 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: likely that many of them aren't very business savvy. So 236 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: they seem to actually go and choose these people that 237 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: they put all of their trust into, and Lily has 238 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: obviously done that with the wrong person. Yeah, they're obviously 239 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: creative people, and sometimes when you're a creative then having 240 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: to jump into business mode doesn't necessarily always work well. 241 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: So in this interview Lily did with Mitch, he actually 242 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: revealed that he set to launch his own clothing brand 243 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: that he's been working on for a few years. Just 244 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: what we need another influencer clothing brands. I think that 245 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: the public have been crying out for this. There's huge 246 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: demand on this another influencer brand. Now. Mitch said that 247 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: there isn't a date set for everyone that's wanting to 248 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: spend their dollars on this, but he did say that 249 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: everything's happening a lot quicker than he thought, and apparently 250 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: the philosophy behind the concept of the clothing range is 251 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: very different and is very hymn. I did notice that 252 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: Lily was trying to be really polite and tiptoe around 253 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: some of the questions that she was asking him, because 254 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: she did say, how does this new clothing line differ 255 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: from the Hooded Smile? So, if you cast your minds 256 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: back to twenty nineteen, he brought out a range of 257 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: hoodies with very positive slogans on it and they were 258 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: to raise money for the Bushfire appeal and he kept 259 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: them going as well. So he has been doing various 260 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: merch drops with the Hooded Smile. Yeah, he didn't really 261 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: give too many details away about what this new clothing 262 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: brand will actually be, but I'm guessing it won't be 263 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: as easy as just slapping a logo on a jumper again. Yeah, 264 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: he also teased that he might be back on YouTube, 265 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: but he did admit that it's really difficult filming when 266 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: you've got two kids, and he seemed a little bit 267 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: unsure of whether he even wanted to share the content 268 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: that he's already filmed. I actually really enjoyed hearing him 269 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: speak so positively about fatherhood and how it's really been 270 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: important for him to put his work on the back 271 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: burner and invest time and energy into his kids, because 272 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: we don't often hear men talking about that. Sorry, I 273 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: don't mean to be that person, but how much work 274 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: was he actually doing before having kids. Well, he did 275 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: say that he and Chloe are in a privileged position, 276 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: which is not like most normal Australian families, where they 277 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: can take the time off to really be invested in 278 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: their children's lives. I understand that that's not something that 279 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: everyone can do it. Yeah, but he has spoken about 280 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: how his job is basically just investing in bitcoin and 281 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: making money off property that he's bought. Yeah. But that 282 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: being said, we're so quick to criticize anyone who puts 283 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: down the role of a mum working in the home, 284 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: but he's clearly working as a dad in the home. Yeah, 285 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: but Kate was comparing it to his previous work. Yeah, 286 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: and also, why were we so quick to praise dads. 287 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so good that they're actually being 288 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: a parent, whereas as you said, like with mums, no 289 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: one's like, oh, well done for that, mum. I'm not 290 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: patting him on the back for it. I'm just saying 291 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: it was actually refreshing to hear a father openly speak 292 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: about how they put their work on the back burner, 293 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: because we often don't hear that, and how important it 294 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: is to actually be around. Yeah, but mums always do that, 295 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: I think, Kate. What Kate's saying is it is probably 296 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: easier to put bitcoin on the backburner if you're providing 297 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: for your family. But the clothing range doesn't work out, 298 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: Mitch has his real estate license to fall back on. Oh, 299 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: this was so fascinating to hear about because apparently it 300 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: was only a four day course to become a real 301 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: estate agent. Well do you think that they were acting 302 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: like this real estate license was a license to print money? 303 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: Because Lily was getting really excited, like they were talking 304 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: about how much commission they could make, and then Mitch's like, well, 305 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: Hannah's done it as well, and Lily's like, maybe I'll 306 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, because he said that his dad has 307 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: started his own real estate company called Awvill real Estate, 308 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm not going to be working in 309 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: there every day or anything, but you know, when an 310 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: opportunity pops up, I'll come in and do it. Can 311 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: you imagine the other people who are working from nine 312 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: to five being like, fuck, oh, I'm guessing they all 313 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: watch lux Listing like we all did it well. I 314 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: could actually do that. I could imagine a lot of 315 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: real estate agents listening to that podcast feeling really pissed 316 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: off because the way that they were talking about is oh, yep, 317 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: it's just this four day course, easiest piss Then you 318 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: just start getting this commission. It's way more involved than that. 319 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: And if it's not, maybe I'll do the course. Can't 320 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: get enough of Outspoken? 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TikTok's girl Alex Earl revealed 336 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: she thought she contracted an STI from a mechanical ball. 337 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: She wasn't visiting the woolshared and Adelaie Botch. No, she 338 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: was actually at a college party and this wasn't recently. 339 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: She was actually retelling this story. So apparently, as a freshman, 340 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: she wrote the mechanical bull twenty times at this party, 341 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: and she was having the absolute time of her life 342 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: until the next morning when she was having a shower 343 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: in the communal dormitory showers and she realized that she 344 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: had all these bumps on her legs, and she began 345 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: shaking and crying because she remembered this horror story that 346 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: someone from high school told her that another girl had 347 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: got an STI after riding a mechanical bull in a bar. 348 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: So apparently she ran into her friend Hannah's room and 349 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: was crying and asking her for her advice because she 350 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: actually thought that Hannah was studying nursing. But it turns 351 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: out Hannah was actually studying biology, so she began googling 352 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: the symptoms. I'm going to have a wild guess here. 353 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that these bumps on her legs are from 354 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: irritation from riding the ball so much, not from an STI. 355 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: Sophi is Google doctor, because that is true. It ended 356 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: up being like a carpet burn or they were calling 357 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: it bull burn or burn. But it's pretty funny because 358 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: Pedestrian ended up covering this story and they took it 359 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: to the next level, so they actually interviewed a doctor 360 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: to find out if it was possible to get an 361 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: STI from a mechanical bull. Everyone always says that you 362 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: can get an STI from sitting on a toilet seat, yes, 363 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: but it always seems to be men who've cheated and 364 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, I got it from a toilet. 365 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: See you to say this is kind of opening up 366 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: a different sort of discussion. But when you go to 367 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: a public toilet, do you sit on it or do 368 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: you squat? I usually squat, but if I'm feeling lazy 369 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: or my legs are sore from a workout, I will sit. 370 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: See I go down the toilet paper route. I put 371 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: toilet paper over the seat, not all over. I kind 372 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: of lean on one side just to be giving way 373 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: too much information there, But yeah, I'm not gonna sit 374 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: bare ass. See. This is another one of those moments, 375 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: like the towel and chet incident. I just sit on 376 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: the toilet. I'm not such a seat sound across as 377 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: such a grot on this podcast. Maybe it's me building 378 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: up a strong immune. What's it called rat girl or 379 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: something on TikTok. Do you know what word we need 380 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: to bring back is FESTI? How like that is so 381 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: two thousand and two? Yeah that probably does appropriately describe 382 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 1: this situation. Yeah, Well, back to the STI. So the 383 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: doctor said there are two possible scenarios where you could 384 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: get an STI from writing a mechanical bull So the 385 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: first circumstance is if the saddle was hairy and the 386 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: person who rode it had a terrible case of crabs, 387 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: so they could actually transfer onto you. The other instance 388 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: where you could get an STI is if the person 389 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: who rode the ball had an open wound and was 390 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: sweaty and got their sweat on the saddle, and then 391 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: another person rode the ball and they also had an 392 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: open cut on them, So it's quite unlike God. This 393 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: is a lot of investigative work pedestrian has done. Yeah, 394 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: this story, well, the doctor actually said that he was 395 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: cautious not to rule anything out because he actually had 396 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: a patient who ended up having gone a rear on 397 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: his face after he attended a ping pong show. So 398 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: he's actually shaved his face before attending this event and 399 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: ended up getting hit in the face with a ping 400 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: pong ball. And that's how we got gon real Well, 401 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: there's some useful tips for anyone listening to avoid getting 402 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: an STI. A war of words has broken out between 403 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: og influencer Michael Finch and the husband of lifestyle Influence 404 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: at Madison Smith and it's all over a gym video. 405 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: Now before we get into it, so can you bring 406 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: us up to speed with the two camps. Well, I 407 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: don't think we need to introduce Michael Finch too much. 408 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: He is a regular fixture on our show, but for 409 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: those who have been living under a rock, he started 410 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: out as a beauty influencer and now has grown a 411 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: following on TikTok sharing food videos. Now he is embroiled 412 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: in an online fight with micro influencer Brody Sinclair, who 413 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: has seven thousand followers on Instagram and eighteen thousand on TikTok. Now, 414 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: Brady does share a lot of jim and fitness content, 415 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: and he is married to Madison Smith, who has six 416 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five thousand followers on TikTok and also 417 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: one hundred and four thousand on Instagram. I personally don't 418 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: follow her and I'm not really across her content, but 419 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: having a look, she does share the occasional gym content 420 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: and also very family styled content. Now, things really erupted 421 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: on Tuesday when Brody uploaded a number of screenshots to 422 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: his Instagram story call Michael Finch out. Now. Brody had 423 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: screenshotted a number of insulting comments that Michael Finch's official 424 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: account had left under his brother's fitness page. So that 425 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: page in question is called Tea Sinclair Fitness, which has 426 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: a relatively small following, and in the comments, Michael wrote, 427 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: please don't take hideous photos for everyone to see. The 428 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: fitness account wrote back you ever looked at your own photos? 429 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: Another relative called Alie Sinclair got involved, tagging Michael and 430 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: wrote is twenty twenty three? What is this? Wife? Owler? 431 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: Grow up? How insecure do you got to be? When 432 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: I first saw these comments, I just thought it was 433 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: Michael Finch being playful, because you know how he's always like, oh, Ronnie, 434 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: you look like a horse, and like it seems to 435 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: me his kind of love language to insult his friends. 436 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: And he also wrote ranswered under another post this guy 437 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: in the gym, and a lot of fans were speculating 438 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: that maybe he was being flirtatious and having a bit 439 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: of banter, but Brody took offense to these and screenshot 440 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: them and shared it all over his Instagram store. So 441 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: in response to Brodie's stories, Michael wrote back, ha ha 442 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: ha ha, to which Brody responded, you're hilarious man. Didn't 443 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: you used to get hate comments for your appearance? Now 444 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: you're doing the same shit. Good on you, buddy. Now. 445 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: A lot of people assumed that Michael had been hacked 446 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: because he didn't say anything about the incident on his 447 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: TikTok or his Instagram and was just posting videos as normal, 448 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: and someone actually messaged him saying, what about those nasty comments? 449 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: Were you hacked? Now? Michael responded saying that Brodie's brother 450 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: had actually come for his mum on one of her 451 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: fitness TikTok videos, and he said, sorry, but that's a 452 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: huge trigger for me, as if I'd say that unprovoked. Now. 453 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: Some more light was shed on the incident from one 454 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: of Michael Finch's friends, who ended up sharing a screenshot 455 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: of their conversation. So Michael wrote to his friend, as 456 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: if I'd come for someone like that unprovoked. A random 457 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,239 Speaker 1: thirty year old man was commenting on a sixty two 458 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: year old woman's TikTok video in brackets my mum at 459 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: the gym, saying you shouldn't be doing this, you shouldn't 460 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: be doing that. So mum called me quite upset with 461 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: this comment, and that was a huge trigger for me. 462 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: Hence why I don't share hr on the internet anymore. 463 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: That's why I reacted the way I did, and I'm 464 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: sure ninety nine percent of you would do the same 465 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: if your mum was upset. It was really interesting to 466 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: see the different ways that Michael's followers reacted. So after 467 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: it was apparent that Michael was defending his mum, a 468 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: lot of people thought that was a worthy excuse and 469 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: that they would do the same thing, whereas others really 470 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: seemed to turn on him, saying that they've been off 471 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: him and his content ever since he started sharing about 472 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories in twenty twenty, and people even came out 473 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: of the woodwork claiming that they were from his old 474 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: country town and that they'd had run ins with him 475 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: at school. So I thought it was really interesting to 476 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: see that there's people in his past who are perhaps 477 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: using this as an opportunity to suit their own agendas. 478 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: While I don't agree with people leaving trolling comments online, 479 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: I kind of get it more so in Michael's case, 480 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: because if someone goes for your mum, like if someone 481 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: was going on to my mum's TikTok, not that she 482 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: has one, but if they were going on a TikTok 483 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: and abusing her or talking about her in a disrespectful way, 484 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: I would see red. And sometimes you don't even know 485 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: what you're going to do in that situation. When someone 486 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: attacks a family member. And we've spoken about it before 487 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: because Michael would be used to people having a girl 488 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: at him, but it hits a different nerve when they're 489 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: talking about a relative. Yeah, there's a difference between you 490 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: choosing to be in the public eye and knowing the 491 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: consequences that go along with that, whether that's troll comments 492 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: or insults. But then your parents or your family members, 493 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: they haven't chosen that lifestyle and they might just be 494 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: in the background of content and videos. And I can 495 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: see why this is a trigger for him because perhaps 496 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: it's something that he experienced when he did share a 497 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: lot of his mum in his TikTok videos or his 498 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: YouTube videos, because he said he's not sharing her anymore. 499 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: From a PR perspective, although I would never tell my 500 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: own client to respond in this way to someone putting 501 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: my podcast on, I am actually very pleased that we 502 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: are getting some influencer brawls at the moment, because things 503 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: do seem to be quiet on the influencer front. I 504 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: think people are on their best behavior at the moment, 505 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: and I am missing a bit of the personality and 506 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: a bit of the drama that usually happens in the 507 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: influencer space, and Michael Finch is great for that. Yeah, 508 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: we've seen him recently hanging out with Shanie Grimmond in Bali, 509 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: So I feel like we're seeing a bit of the 510 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: og old school influencer days and maybe we need an 511 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: influencer fight or two to get things exciting again. Well 512 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: that's how we've got for this episode. 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