1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Get a I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: all in a bid to. 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: Inspire us to fearlessly fail. 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: We have got a health and wellness for you today, 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: specifically focusing on pre and postnatal movement and health. Laura 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: Vanni is pretty awesome, so she's done loads of yoga 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: teacher training. She used to compete as like a bodybuilder, 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: bikini bodybuilders. We talk about kind of the extremes and 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 1: the really restriction and the kind of like hardcore or 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: eating habits that she kind of went through when she 15 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: was doing bodybuilding, but then kind of went through this 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: real like opposite end of the spectrum with the yogus 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: and then in the pandemic, fell pregnant and started to realize, 18 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: hang on, we need support for both pre natal and 19 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: also post natal and so yeah, in this chat, we 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: talk about being a mum, the movement side of things, 21 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: and we actually talk a lot about the fear associated 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: with kind of like when you get pregnant, you're like, 23 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: oh my lad to move my ladder to do this? 24 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: How what can and can I do with my body? 25 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: And with Laura's great she kind of like breaks through 26 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: the stigma and really compassionately talks about like these really 27 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: confronting and flong things that happen when people fell pregnant. 28 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: You know, we kind of. 29 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: Told her society it's a really great thing, which it is, 30 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: but she also says like it can make you feel 31 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: out of your body, disconnected, it can be really confronting. 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: And so I really love that this was just. 33 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: An honest chat about pregnancy post pregnancy, you know, the 34 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: differences that the body goes through via natural birth versus 35 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: C section, and so yeah, I think it's a really 36 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: interesting chat and I hope you love it. And yeah, Laura, 37 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: thank you so much for educating me. 38 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: I learned so much from this chat. Laura Vannie, welcome 39 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: to the pod. 40 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me. 41 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: You've got this beautiful Americana accent. I love it. 42 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: Now this is going to be a real health and 43 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: wellness Twang episode. And I'm really excited about your journey 44 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: and sharing your journey. So I want to kind of 45 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: rewind a little bit. Are you a Southern gal? 46 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: I am a Southern girl, but you wouldn't from the accent. 47 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: No, you wouldn't. 48 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: I never had one. 49 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: Do you ever drop a y'all or anything? 50 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 3: I drop y'all all the time, Yeah, and I type 51 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 3: y'all in texts CEO. But I never really had a 52 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 3: Southern accent. My dad is from mein. 53 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: Yes, so it's like that's a different accent altogether. 54 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: It's totally totally different. 55 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: Okay. 56 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: So as much as I would love to do a 57 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: whole episode on the dialects of America, and I'm trading 58 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: in dialects the moment, I actually one of the things. 59 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: So I really want to talk to you about what 60 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,279 Speaker 1: you're passionate about, which is I love it, this empathetic 61 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: approach to wellness, which is unrestricted, unrestricted but also pro strength. 62 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: So that's what we're going to get. But what fascinates 63 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: me about you is the body competing there. Is it 64 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: called NPC? Yes, what does that stand for? 65 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: National Physique Committee? I believe it's been been a while. 66 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: I've got it noted to hear your core. 67 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: So you've literally gone from extra dream restriction control, and 68 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: I really want to deep dive that because I'm nutritionists 69 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: by trade. 70 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: And now fast forward to where you are in your life. 71 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: You've got this incredible pre impost bambino that's my word 72 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: for baby program that you've created. So can we go 73 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: back to the time when you lived in that space, 74 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: because I imagine you must have an incredible mental discipline. 75 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: I did, and I guess I would say I do. 76 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: But it's so interesting thinking and as a nutritionist, I 77 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: bet that sounds like a complete nightmare for you because it. 78 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: But also fascinating to me to be asked. 79 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 3: Of course, I mean, it's just the whole restriction and 80 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: the whole intensity of it all is so different than 81 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: what I do currently and what I preach currently. Right, Yes, 82 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: So in a way when I think about it, I'm like, 83 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 3: I can't believe I did that. I can't believe that's 84 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: what I was about. But it taught me balance. 85 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: But also, don't you think, like anyone that's on a 86 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: health journey, like I've had history of anorexia and eating 87 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: this sort of so like I think having that kind 88 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: of a start is like it needs It's like you 89 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: need a fall flat on your face and then you're like, 90 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: hang on, this is not in line with my value system. 91 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: I want to inspire women, I want to empower them. Hm. 92 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: So okay, so I want to sit in that yucky 93 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: space for this is called feelthy failing. So you were competing, right, 94 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: So that is where just to give the listeners a visual, 95 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: it's like what percent body fat are. 96 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: We looking for? 97 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 3: Nine ten eleven? 98 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: Which you kind of start losing your period. 99 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: You start losing your period for sure, and. 100 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: It's like extreme muscle definition, super dark spratan, and my is. 101 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: The worst part. The spraytan is the worst part. Sometimes 102 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: I've gone back in my photos, you know, deleting photos 103 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: from my phone, and I would see like the pictures 104 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 3: of me with that spraytan, and it's so absurd. 105 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: It's so absurd. Did you do the like dehydration thing 106 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: right before? 107 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a huge part of it, right, It's 108 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: like getting dry, yeah, because then you see the muscle definition. 109 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: More veins everything. 110 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really intense, but you know what, you're right, 111 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 3: It does teach a certain level of commitment and the intensity. 112 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: While I wouldn't preach that now, especially in pre postnatal 113 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: right of course, there is a time and. 114 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: A place for that. Yeah. 115 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's a time and a place for that. 116 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: Can I ask, like, as someone that's obviously super pro 117 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: like women's health, pre postnatal fertility as well, would probably 118 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: come under that banner a little bit? 119 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,559 Speaker 2: Was there a little like voice inside your head? 120 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: Like, I know when I had my EMI sword and 121 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: I stopp getting my period, I was like, oh, you're 122 00:06:59,200 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: messing with the fatil. 123 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: Now did you get any of that? 124 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: Not one bit? So here's the thing. I had a 125 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: very irregular period anyways, So I didn't personally notice whether 126 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: or not that was changing in my body. But several 127 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 3: of the women who I was training with and competing 128 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: with were absolutely going through that, and I'm sure that 129 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: was in their mind. At that period in my life. 130 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking about having babies. You know, this was 131 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: eight years ago. 132 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: How old were you when you were competing. 133 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 3: Twenty three, twenty four? 134 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: I would see, yeah, pretty young. Yeah, so interesting though. 135 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of like waking up 136 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 3: in the morning before work, going to the gym, doing 137 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: an hour of cardio, going to work all day, by 138 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: the way, bringing tupperware of cold fish like talapia, and 139 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: asparagain the most disgusting like bottom of the barrel fish 140 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: that nobody eat. You don't even know what it is. 141 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: Is it pretty much like you're eating really controlled protein, 142 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: a smaller amount of carbohydrate and loads of grains. 143 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: Is that kind of the. 144 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: Depending on where you are right in the beginning, there's 145 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: a listen. It's hard for me to remember at this point, 146 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 3: but there's a period of time where you're bulking kind of, 147 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: and so you eat a little bit heavier on the 148 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: carb side to increase your muscle mass, and then you 149 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: cut it down drastically. And you know, one of the 150 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: things I remember when I was competing one of my 151 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: best friends and if she hears this, she will laugh 152 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 3: so hard. It was one of her birthdays, okay, And 153 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: we went to her birthday party and it was at 154 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: Choshaw Chicken in Santa Monica, which is like, I don't 155 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: know if you've ever been there, but they have like 156 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: amazing caribbean chicken. It's delicious. 157 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: Probably not on the diet plan, right. 158 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: No, because I've never tried it. So I go to 159 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: her birthday dinner and I bring a tupperware no of 160 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: my fish and asparagus. 161 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: Wow. 162 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: Kind of so yeah, okay, okay, really extreme. I would 163 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: call that disordered eating as well. But also like a part, 164 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: like the A type part of my personality is like, wow, 165 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: that's disciplined. 166 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it really things on your mindset. Because then I 167 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: was not thinking of it as disordered eating. I was like, listen, 168 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: I have a goal. I'm going to get from A 169 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: to B, and this is how I can do it, 170 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 3: and so I'm just gonna do it. I either don't 171 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: go to the birthday dinner or I go and I 172 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: bring my own food. 173 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: Oh amazing. 174 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: So what about after you compete, did you then go 175 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: stuff this and have a little binge? 176 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: I did not. Most people do, but I was really 177 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 3: nervous because I had heard horror stories about people getting sick. 178 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. 179 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: So actually my mom came into town. Yeah, my mom 180 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: and my aunt came into town to see me. Even 181 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: though my mom, I would not say, really supported it 182 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: because she could at the time that it was a 183 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: little bit too intense. Yeah, And afterwards we went to 184 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: dinner and I ordered a hummus plate like hummus and 185 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: vegetables and peter And I will tell you this, for 186 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: five six hours after I was vomiting, because that's all 187 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: you need to know to tell you that it is 188 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: not good for you. 189 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but thank you for sharing that. 190 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: I've never had somebody on the pod that has done 191 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: that before, and I've always, I guess, just been fascinated 192 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: that that to even click into that mindset. It's like 193 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: pro athlete, but at it's almost like some other because 194 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: I imagine there'd be like potential body dys morphere in 195 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: there as well, where you're so pinpoint focused to get 196 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: it to within a percentage I imagine like a one percent. 197 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. The interesting part is I actually weighed more than 198 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 3: I had ever. 199 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: Weighed before, because muscle weighs more than fast of all 200 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: the muscles. 201 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and I wasn't. There's there's different types of 202 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: competing for females. I did bikini, which is a slimmer 203 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: I guess version. There's also physique, which you see like 204 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: the women look more bulky. I did not do that, 205 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 3: but I still did way more than I ever had 206 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: and that didn't really mess with my head, surprisingly enough. 207 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: So interesting. 208 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to know how you go from 209 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: this to like Yogi Bear going to Greece for a 210 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: month and go on a bali for a month and 211 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: doing all yoga teach training because for me, yoga teach 212 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: to training feels like the opposite end of the spectrum 213 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: to you know, the bodybuilding. 214 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: Stuff it is. 215 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 3: It's definitely the opposite end of the spectrum. So there 216 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 3: was a lot in between. There was definitely a lot 217 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: in between. But after I got done, what happened was, 218 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: at first I wanted to continue competing because I could 219 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: have gone pro soon, uh, but kind of realized that 220 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: I had no social life anymore because it was literally 221 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: making food, eating food, exercising and that was it. 222 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 223 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 3: So I don't remember exactly how I decided to stop, 224 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: but from there I started. I got into yoga a lot. 225 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: So I was going to two places. I was going 226 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: to Hot eight into Core Power on Monday. Oh it's 227 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: the best. 228 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: It's so hot, though, home mate, it's so tough. 229 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I haven't been in years. I haven't been 230 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: since I got pregnant, so it's been a long time. 231 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, wow. 232 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: So I was doing that pretty consistently and then realized 233 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: I wanted to do yoga teacher training to learn more 234 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 3: about yoga, not to teach. Yeah, I was the same yeah, 235 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: so where did you take yours? 236 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: Might I've trained all over Australia, but Power Living is 237 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: the an Australian company, so Power Vinyasa, which I know 238 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: you've also trined in. So you're like, okay, I want 239 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: to learn more about yoga's for myself. And then you 240 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: get hooked, don't you, mat It's. 241 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because here's what and you said this, it's 242 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 3: so completely opposite. Right with the body building, it's very 243 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 3: much physicality. Right with yoga, it's so much more than that. 244 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: Oh, it's like it's so much emotional. 245 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: The physical side is actually more like length and flexibility, 246 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: which in turn makes you feel stronger in a different way. 247 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 3: Which is my complete weak area as as a when 248 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: it comes to physicality, like flexibility is not my strength. Okay, 249 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 3: So that was another reason that I wanted to that. 250 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: I really gravitated towards that. 251 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: It's interesting that you went to Bali too. You had 252 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: your full eat, prey love moment. But a lot of 253 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: Americans kind of romanticize Bali, I think for that reason. 254 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: Where it's in Australia, it's so close for us to 255 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: get to Bali, like you go there on your holidays. 256 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: You know, but did you love it? Because I think. 257 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: It's there's such a spiritual to Bali that I don't 258 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: I haven't experienced. I haven't traveled enough of America to 259 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: know yet, but that you get it a bit in Mexico, 260 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: but it's very different to Bali. 261 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: You're right, you do get it in Mexico, but it 262 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: is different and you won't get it in America at least. 263 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 3: I don't know where you were. 264 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: No, I don't feel like they'd be. 265 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: It's just yeah, it's it's just different. And you know what, 266 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: I had been to Bali twice before that you're gonna 267 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: teacher trainings, so you love Bali. It really holds a 268 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: special place in my hope. It really does. And there 269 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: are it's like all Australians. 270 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so easy for us to get to, like 271 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 4: you go to Mexico or Hawaii. 272 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, same thing. And you guys brought like 273 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 3: amazing food and coffee. 274 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: So thank you for that. 275 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: So okay, so you did your because you did your 276 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: second Batchel teach training in Bali? 277 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: Is that right? Oh? Mate? Look at you go? And 278 00:14:54,520 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: then so what made you go? Okay? I love yoga. 279 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: I am actually going to teach it because I know 280 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: I was the exact times you. I was like, I'm 281 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: just going to do the teacher training to understand it 282 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: better to understand my anatomy in the way that it moved, 283 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: Like you know when you're getting into a twist and 284 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, what muscle am I activating there? 285 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: And so I did it for that reason. 286 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: But there is a moment right towards I found at 287 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: the end of my teacher training where I was like, 288 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: I want. 289 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: To share this with people. Did you have that as well? 290 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely so. My first training at Core Power here 291 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: in La was all about learning for myself. And then 292 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: I was going through a rather difficult time in my 293 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: personal life and I was going to this one class 294 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 3: at Alo Yoga. I think it was like Sunday mornings. 295 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: I would always go and a girl who I knew there. 296 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: We weren't really friends, but I knew of her. She 297 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: was always in the same class and she knew I 298 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: had been to Bali in the past, and she was 299 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 3: ready to take a new yoga teacher training course and 300 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: she mentioned to me, I want to do this and 301 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: I want to do it in Bali, And I was like, 302 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: sign me up. I'm going like I needed I needed 303 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 3: to leave. I needed I needed that spiritual experience. 304 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: Really, I have a. 305 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: Theory about LA too, Like I do think it's an 306 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: amazing place and I love it and there's so much opportunity, 307 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: but you do need moments we step away and heal spiritually, 308 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: emotionally like, and then you can come. 309 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: Back and you're like so clear, and you've got a 310 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: new perspective. 311 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: And I've seen you talk about travel, I've read about 312 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: read about you talking about travel being so important for 313 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: that perspective and growth. 314 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: So okay, So if. 315 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: You if you don't mind me asking that that personal 316 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: stuff that was going on, was that like a breakup 317 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: or something like that. 318 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was with somebody for about five 319 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: years and thought we were going to get married. He 320 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: was the one. Yeah, and things were going south and 321 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: we were trying so hard and we were both making 322 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 3: all these mistakes and you know, nothing crazy happened. It 323 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: just wasn't working out. 324 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: But enough for you to be like need a reset, Yeah, 325 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: to give back to myself. 326 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Bali you go. 327 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: So BALI I go. Honestly, I was like, I'm going 328 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: to go here, I'm gonna. I'm gonna It was oshtonga training, 329 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 3: which is I had never even practiced ashtanga in my life. 330 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 2: Okay, ever, wash China takes no prisoner's mate. It is 331 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: there are. 332 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 3: Rules, strict rules, and I was not used to that 333 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 3: when it came to yoga, had never taken a class before. Wow, 334 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm going to do this. I'm 335 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: going to meditate. There was a lot of you know, 336 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 3: silent meditation days where we would go and I'm going 337 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: to figure out what the answer is. I was looking 338 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: for an answer, right, which honestly, that's not really how 339 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: it works. 340 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: If that's what gets you there and gets you on 341 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: the mat and gets like go for it. 342 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, And was there. 343 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: Something in that teacher training where you were like, oh, 344 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: I think I want to share this. 345 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 346 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: So community, the women that were in that teacher training, 347 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 3: we are all collectively going through something at the same time, 348 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 3: which makes sense, right, Yeah, everyone's going to bali and 349 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 3: I met the most amazing women. The girl who I 350 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: went with, we became great friends and we cried, we partied, 351 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: we learned, we did all the things together and at 352 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: the end of the day, I was like, this is life. Changing. 353 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 3: It just is the practice of yoga, sitting on your 354 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: map and breathing is life changing. And there's not enough 355 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 3: of this, and I did I wanted to share it 356 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 3: with people, and I didn't do that for a short 357 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: period of time. I did in the class sense, but 358 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 3: I did it mostly one on one. That's what the 359 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 3: majority of my training experience was. So that's also like 360 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 3: a kind of a different way of going about it. 361 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: And it just felt incredible to share. 362 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I love meeting a fellow Yogi nerd. 363 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 2: So then did you come back here and you're like, right, 364 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 2: I want to teach more? Was that kind of the thing? 365 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: But you've trained in so much like here pet, like 366 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: you've got all these amazing like health and wellness kind 367 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: of like I read Gill of all Trades kind of 368 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 1: you know, you've got all these great skill sets. So 369 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: was it the pandemic that then birthed this next phase 370 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: of your life? In many ways, there's probably a few 371 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: you're like, what are you talking about having a bambino 372 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: or like a whole new business where like, talk to 373 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: me about that massive shift for you. 374 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, in a very real way, having the 375 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 3: baby birthed my other baby, the baby body right about. Yeah, 376 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: you know, everything was moving online during the pandemic, and 377 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 3: I was really struggling to understand how I wanted to 378 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 3: do that. 379 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: Were you here? Were you in la oh mate? Yeah, toughie. Yeah. 380 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: And I've had a roster of one on one clients 381 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: for you know, eight nine years. During that time, a 382 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 3: lot of the women were getting pregnant, right, this is 383 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 3: before the pandemic. So I trained a lot of women 384 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 3: one on one through their pregnancy during postpartum rehab. But 385 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: it's not It wasn't really until I became pregnant myself 386 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 3: that I was like, this is it, you know, this 387 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 3: is this is what I love. 388 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: So okay, so talk to me. You find out you're pregnant. 389 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: How well is your baby boy now. 390 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 3: A year today to breathday? 391 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 2: What's his name? Roka roca o? 392 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: Great name, yeah, bethday roka. So okay, So when you 393 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: find out you're pregnant and it was pandemic, this is 394 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: in the pandemic. 395 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 2: Right, are you like? 396 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I've actually got it now, Like all this 397 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: stuff that I've preached with my clients, I've got to 398 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: then implement it to myself and then is it through that, 399 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: like through literally filling this within your own body that 400 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, there's not enough. Because the 401 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: thing that I find interesting about you is you can 402 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 1: look up online and you can get prenatal support or 403 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: postnatal support. It's quite rare that there's this whole, like 404 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: the whole timeline, don't you find Yes? 405 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: Well, and initially my program was only pre netle So 406 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 3: you're totally correct, and. 407 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: I in yoga teacher training the same. I'm saying pre 408 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: nod or prenatal Like. 409 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 2: It's that's cool. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah, I 410 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 2: was a bit like you, I got the bug and 411 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, what else can I train 412 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: in year? Prenatal sign out? But it is so specific 413 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: to pre natal as opposed to, hey, why don't we 414 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: support you for this entire journey? 415 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 3: Right? 416 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, talk to me about. 417 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 1: How that kind of like where I want to know 418 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: where this like brainchild kind of was birthed from. 419 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 3: So you've said it right, you said it, which is 420 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 3: it wasn't until you feel things in your own body, Yeah, right, 421 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: Because you can know the concepts, you can know the contraindications, 422 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: you can know what you're supposed to do with a 423 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 3: pregnant woman, with a postpartum woman and what you're not 424 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: supposed to do, but until you actually go through it yourself, 425 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 3: at least for me, it was that's when a light 426 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 3: bulb went off. I was like, oh, now I get it. 427 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 3: Now this makes sense, you know what I mean, Because 428 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 3: it's one thing to say, oh, let's not do this 429 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: inversion or oh let's make this modification for your plank, 430 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 3: and another to have the belly, have the pelvic floor, 431 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 3: have all these things going on, plus the you know, 432 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: trying to catch your breath every five minutes and feeling 433 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 3: it in your own body and going oh, okay. 434 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: That's why. 435 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: And also like I've had a lot of mates that 436 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: have had Bambain eyes, and there's a lot of fear 437 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: at the start, because you know, I don't want to 438 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: do too much exercise. I don't want to stress my 439 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: body out, but I want to feel healthy and nourished, 440 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: and I want to feel all strong and connected to 441 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: my body and this experience, and so there's this It's 442 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 1: really hard because I think there is a little bit 443 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: of fear of the unknown, and like, especially for probably 444 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: first I don't have any kidos. But like for first 445 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: time mummas, I could only imagine I'm a virgo, so 446 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm an overthinker, I'm a list person. You can say 447 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: what notes, so I'd be like, what can I do? 448 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: What can I do? 449 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: And so I think it's really empowering when you've got 450 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: someone that's like, I'm with you these this is a 451 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: really great way for you to feel healthy, strong, and 452 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: like really feminine. There's a real femininity to you as 453 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: well and your Insta and everything. So what else is 454 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: really cool about what you do is it's that pre 455 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: But then you've got like even tips for labor, like 456 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: and moving through that phase which I didn't even know existed. 457 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 4: Again, so intense, but like you you it's you know you, 458 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 4: you've got all these methods to help people through not 459 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 4: just one part of the pregnancy or not just one 460 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 4: you know, post and I want to talk. 461 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: To you about how you've shit about like if someone's 462 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: had a sea section and coming out of that, can 463 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: you share a little bit about that. 464 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's a huge part of it, right, which 465 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: I didn't think before having the baby. I didn't think 466 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: necessarily about how intense labor is. And then you're in 467 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 3: the room on all fours, you know, sounding like an animal, 468 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, wow, I really need some training 469 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 3: for this, Like this is a totally different thing. I 470 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 3: ended up having a sea section. And the thing about 471 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 3: recovery is obviously, the recovery for a sea section and 472 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 3: the recovery for a vaginal delivery is completely different, right, 473 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 3: totally completely different. When you birth a child from your vagina, 474 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: you're gonna have tearing. Possibly, you're gonna have stitches. There's 475 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 3: there's pelvic floor issues that may or may not occur 476 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: that might not happen when you have a sea section. 477 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 3: And then if you have a C section, you have 478 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 3: the scar. You're cutting through all these layers of tissue. 479 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 3: It's so insane and so just having those specific rehab programs. 480 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 3: So in my program, there's a six week rehab for both. 481 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,239 Speaker 3: I love that, Yeah, and it's so important. And like 482 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 3: you said, women come and they are scared. The two things, right, 483 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: the two things I hear the most are fear about 484 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 3: exercise when pregnant. Yeah, wanting to jump into intense exercise 485 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 3: too quickly postpartum. Well, that'd be most especially in this 486 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: city because there's pressure type like boot camp now, right, 487 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: and then the you know, ab separation. 488 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: Which was my next question. So you're going to know 489 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 2: that again. 490 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: I haven't had a kiddo, but how common is the 491 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: EB separation? 492 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: Listen, every woman has some degree of separation in their 493 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: abs when they get when they have a baby. Everyone, Okay, 494 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: there's no escaping it. There's no escaping it. The tissue, 495 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 3: the linear al but that tissue is made to stretch. Okay, 496 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: thank god, Right, Okay, it's made to stretch. But just 497 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 3: as it's made to stretch, it's made to come back together. 498 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 2: Got it. 499 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: So everyone has a different degree. It might your your 500 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 3: gap might be wider or deeper than someone else's, but 501 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: we can repair it. It is repairable, and it is 502 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 3: also you can prevent having a super super deep or 503 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 3: wide separation if you work on that during your press. 504 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: And that's what I was going to say. 505 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: I imagine you would see a difference because you've had 506 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: so many clients over the years, the people that really 507 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: do focus on like this pre natal phase. I imagine 508 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: it would potentially affect the labor, but then really affect 509 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: the recovery after. Like you look at Yogi's usually Yogi's 510 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: bounced back. This is total generalization, but often they'll bounce 511 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: back reasonably quick. I don't know whether it's through connection 512 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: to body, all that lengthening and all that, like I 513 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: imagine muscle strength as well, But do you see that 514 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: there's a correlation between the pre and there that affecting 515 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: the post Absolutely. 516 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 3: Without a day wore and you know, with the fear, 517 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 3: which is totally understandable, having fear working out during pregnancy 518 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 3: ninety percent. Don't quote me on this, I'm just saying 519 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 3: a number, but ninety percent of women can exercise during pregnancy, 520 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: especially if you've been working out before you've got pregnant. 521 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 2: That's what I've heard. 522 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: You can often continue a lot of the practices that 523 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: like if you're a runner, you can run, you know, 524 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: if you're a yogi, go to yogs. You know, I think, 525 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: I like, I find that quite empowering as a as 526 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: a total overthinker. 527 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 3: Right, and just in life, movement is better than no movement. 528 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 2: It just is. 529 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: You can tell, like I can tell if I've spent 530 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: a day sitting on my laptop writing podcast show notes, 531 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 1: like by the end of the day, my spine is 532 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: like an old little lady. But if I've made sure 533 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: that I've broken that up, gone to yoga, gone for 534 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: a hike, like my spine feels better. And I don't 535 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: know if you remember this, but I remember from my 536 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: yoga teach training healthy spine equals healthy. 537 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: Life totally, right, totally. 538 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: And even like getting up away from the laptop doing 539 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: some spinal roles or doing a quick little stretch on 540 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: the yogi mat just to. 541 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: Break it up. 542 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: And I think you bang on about movement is better 543 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: than non movement one hundred percent for anybody. 544 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 2: I think, how much do you think nutrition plays into it? 545 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: And I know, like me being a nutrition is that's 546 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: a cheeky question, but in your experience, how much is 547 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: it important? 548 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 3: Nutrition is insanely important whether you're pregnant or not. Yeah, 549 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: But the issue that people run into when they're pregnant 550 00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: and postpartum is that some people deal with crazy nausea. Yes, right, 551 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: So I can only speak from my personal experience, but 552 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 3: also from my clients. For the first three and a 553 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 3: half months of my pregnancy, I was nauseous all day, 554 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 3: every day, a lot of those times throwing up, maybe 555 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: not throwing up, And so it was like there was 556 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: a lot of time where I could not eat anything 557 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 3: or I could eat toast, do you know what I mean? 558 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: So with pregnancy, nutrition is so important because you're not 559 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: only eating for yourself. You're eating to fuel your child 560 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 3: and get try. You want to give them the right nutrients. 561 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 5: Right, but you also have to give yourself that grace 562 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 5: period to get past whatever might be happening at least 563 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 5: in the beginning, so that you can at least eat something. 564 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: It does it also change with like I imagine breastfading 565 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: as well, You're going to have different nutritional needs. Again, 566 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: you're fading a little tiny human that is relying potentially 567 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: solo beyond that, and that would affect all nutritional planning 568 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 1: as well, wouldn't it. 569 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I am still breastfeeding and I actually have 570 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 3: a smoothie in my bag because I was like, am 571 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: I going to get hungry during this interview? It's insane, really, 572 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 3: it's insane. So I think the numbers are around three 573 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 3: hundred extra calories a day when you're pregnant ish depending 574 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 3: on the person, and like five hundred or more plus 575 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 3: when you're breastfeeding. You actually need more calories when you're 576 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 3: breastfeeding than when you're pregnant. 577 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: I have heard that. That makes total sense. 578 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're sucking the life out of all day. 579 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: It's so interesting though, and then that's going to affect 580 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: like how much energy you've got for movement and recovery 581 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: as well. 582 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Oh my goodness, I could ask you so 583 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: many things. 584 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: So if you could put into a nutshell what your 585 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: ultimate goal is through the baby body, which is for 586 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: the listener, it's a thirty five week plan, is that right? 587 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: So it was just a thirty five week prenatal plan. 588 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: Have moved on so that it's there's thirty five weeks 589 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 3: of prenatal which comes with a calendar that you can follow, 590 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 3: but you don't have to cool and then there's a 591 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 3: six week postpartum rehab program and then tons of workouts 592 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,239 Speaker 3: for postpartum once you finish that rehab. So what the 593 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 3: rehab program does is help to reconnect you mind, body 594 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 3: connection and engagement with your core and pelvic floor, which 595 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 3: is going to help with that exactly. And you know 596 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 3: with all of this, oh I I pee a little 597 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 3: when I cough. Well that might be common, but it 598 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 3: doesn't have to be the standard. Like you can work 599 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: towards repairing that. 600 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: And that's how week floor stuff, right, yeah, exactly, so cool. 601 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: And so what is your like ultimate mission or like goal, like, 602 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: what what's your jam? You know? 603 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 604 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 3: So so we've, like I said, we've expanded into postpartum 605 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 3: and just workouts for moms. So whether it's you had 606 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 3: a baby a couple weeks ago or you had a 607 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 3: baby four years ago, it does not matter. We have 608 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 3: something for everybody and the goal is to just reach 609 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 3: as many women as possible. What happens. What I hear 610 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: so often from women when they become moms or become pregnant, 611 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: is like, I don't recognize myself. I don't feel like 612 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 3: myself anymore, Like I'm who am I like I look 613 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 3: in the mirror, even just the way I feel, the 614 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 3: way I move, it doesn't feel like myself. And you 615 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 3: can reconnect to that new version of yourself and be better. 616 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 3: And I want to share how example. 617 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: I remember when I was doing my prenatal yoga teacher training. 618 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: One of the first things I said is you'd be 619 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: surprised a lot of women do not like being pregnant. 620 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: And they said, so don't They were like, don't like google, 621 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: don't like be like, oh can I touch a belly 622 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: or that they were like, you need to like read 623 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: the play. And some women are like there is an 624 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: alien growing inside me, or I've lost a sense of 625 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 1: who I am as a human, or my value system 626 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 1: is now changing, and that's confronting for me and I 627 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: I think we don't you know, we can feel like 628 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: not unaware of it until you're in it, and I'm 629 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: sure every human being has a very different experience, but 630 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: it is interesting to know that, like we can't presume 631 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: that it's always going to be a positive experience for 632 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: everybody totally. 633 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 3: You're so right, and people don't talk about that enough 634 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 3: because in society we tend to put pregnancy up on 635 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 3: a pedestal, like it's this beautiful thing, and it is right, 636 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 3: it's even just scientifically it's a miracle to become pregnant. 637 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 3: A lot of people have such a hard time getting there, 638 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 3: Like it is beautiful and it's very challenging, and it's 639 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 3: very frustrating, and you might not feel like yourself and 640 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: so it can be all of those things at once. 641 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 3: But that's a really good point because I feel like 642 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 3: that's not really talked about that much. 643 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: Well, that's why I love that you've talked about today, 644 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: the fear element, because I just know that it'd be 645 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: my brain. I'd be like, Okay, I don't want to 646 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,239 Speaker 1: stuff this up. What am I going like like, And 647 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: that's where my brain would one hundred percent go. And 648 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: it's so nice to know that someone like you exist. 649 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: That is all about like educating, empowering and kind of 650 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,959 Speaker 1: like taking that fear away. 651 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: And instead being like, Okay, let's. 652 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: Find this new you, yeah, which I think is a 653 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: really It's not like you need to become some pregnant goddess. 654 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: But you also don't need to lose who you are 655 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: in the process either, So it's finding this kind of 656 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: like re's like reevaluating who you are, which I think 657 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: is really cool. 658 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 3: Totally because you can be a combination of both. You 659 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 3: don't have to just be the mom who you know 660 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 3: feels like you have split up on you all day 661 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 3: and you're not accomplishing anything. Like there is a little 662 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 3: bit of that, and you can also have the other. 663 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 3: You can also reconnect to who you are, and a 664 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 3: huge part of how I think human beings do that 665 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 3: is through moving our bodies. 666 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 2: Well, can you connect to breath? 667 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: You can know you know all this from yoga as well. 668 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: So this is going so quickly. But one final question, 669 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: what would your advice be to someone that's like really 670 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: came to be mama. They're doing everything right, but there's 671 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of fear in there that they're like, oh, 672 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to if this up or whatever, Like, 673 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: how do we take some of that pressure off ourselves? 674 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 3: Do you mean fear about exercise? 675 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, about movement? 676 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 3: Okay, So barring any intense health issues, obviously check with 677 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 3: your doctor before we have to say that move your body. 678 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 3: Find what you like. Find what you like. I will say, 679 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 3: before I got pregnant, walking as exercise wasn't even a 680 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 3: thought in my mind. I was like, walking's not exercise. 681 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 3: I need to go get some crazy sweating. But once 682 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 3: I got pregnant, I realized I would go for a 683 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 3: two mile walk and be like that was the best 684 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 3: workout I've had in a while. You know, like, connect 685 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 3: with what you really like and genuinely feels good in 686 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 3: your body. Take time to sit down and breathe and 687 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 3: connect to your body so you know what you like 688 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 3: and you know what feels good. Because if you're doing 689 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 3: something that you genuinely enjoy exercise. Wise, you're going to 690 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 3: continue to do it. 691 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: Ah, You're a champion. Thank you, Laura, thank you so much. 692 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to put all your deats in the show notes. 693 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 2: You're wonderful. Thank you. 694 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 3: This is such a great conversation. 695 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 696 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation 697 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: on Instagram. 698 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 2: I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. 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