1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: Well, we're coming to you live this morning from Darwin 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: MASDA in BERRIMA very exciting stuff that it is. Of 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: course they're masda's end of financial year specials. 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: They are on now, but the week that. 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Was coming to you live this morning from Darwen MASDA 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: and we're joined this morning by Murray Claire Boothby from 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: the Opposition. 8 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Murray Claire, Good morning Katy, and 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: to your listeners, we've. 10 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: Got Brent Potter from the Labor Party and the Minister 11 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: for Police and various portfolios. 12 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: Good morning to you morning, Katy. 13 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 3: I hope I don't walk away by a current. 14 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: Oh mate, We'll try our best. And we've got Tom Morgan. 15 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: Thomas Morgan, the political reporter with the ABC. Lovely to 16 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: have you here with us today. 17 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 4: Good morning, Katy. 18 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: I keep going to say that we're in the studio, 19 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: but of course we're out and about. 20 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: It's wonderful. Yeah, it's so good to be out and about. 21 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Now. Look, there is so much to cover off on 22 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: this morning, and I do just want to start with 23 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: the fact that we know that Donald Trump has been 24 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: found guilty this morning. I think it's you know, it's 25 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: an interesting situation. That we now find. But we might 26 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit more in depth a 27 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: little later this morning. But I do also want to 28 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: just let our listeners know that overnight and some police 29 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: news emergency workers were called to the rural area yesterday 30 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: in the afternoon after another person was struck by a 31 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: vehicle yesterday afternoon as he was trying to cross the 32 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: Stuart Highway. Now, my understanding is that that person has 33 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: been taken to hospital. That is in addition to the 34 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: hit and run which occurred the night before last, which 35 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: saw a man killed on Progress Drive. The police had 36 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: been calling for that driver of the vehicle to come 37 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: forward and yesterday the man was arrested after handing himself 38 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: to detectives at the Darwen Police station. Now, his vehicle 39 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: was located on Wood Street and declared a crime scene. 40 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: While major crash detectives and forensic crime scene examination officers 41 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: inspected the vehicle. 42 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: It's since been seized by police. 43 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: Now, look, I'm not aware of the exact circumstances with 44 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: these incidents, but we are seeing a lot of pedestrians 45 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: being struck by vehicles at the moment. From some of 46 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: the conversations that I've had with Northern Territory Police at 47 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: different times as well. Very unfortunately in some of these situations. 48 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: You're talking about alcohol involved by the pedestrians. 49 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, it's a driving cause factor. Same with speed 50 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 5: and not wearing a seatbelt. And tragically, I think we're 51 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 5: now we had twenty sixty other day and we were saying, 52 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 5: can you guests over the last week, people need to 53 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 5: be aware of their surroundings. They need to use the crossings, 54 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 5: that's why we put them in and drivers obviously you 55 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 5: redrivening they can and they need to reduce their speed. 56 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 4: It is pretty sad as well. 57 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 6: Like this time last year, the police were saying at 58 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 6: a press conference on earlier this week that you know, 59 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 6: the number of people lost in our roads was four 60 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 6: at this time, yeah, last year, and now it's something 61 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 6: above twenty. It's it's pretty remarkable. 62 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: Eating Yeah, it's terrible. It's a terrible situation. 63 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: But look, let's move along because there is really so 64 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: much to cover off on this morning and I want 65 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: to take our listeners across to the fact that just 66 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, we know the Northern Territory 67 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: Police Commissioner Michael Murphy was the final witness at the 68 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: inquest into the police shooting death of common Walker during 69 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: an arrest in. 70 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: You and to move back in twenty nineteen. 71 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 5: Now. 72 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: It was an explosive final day, with the Commissioner admitting 73 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: that he had unintentionally misled the public when he denied 74 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: knowing about racist internal awards six months after he was 75 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: told about them, saying I should have reported it earlier. 76 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 5: Now. 77 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: The Northern Territory News had reported earlier in the week 78 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: that mister Murphy told the court that he first learned 79 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: of the Sea of the Year awards from an ex 80 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: police officer, Kerry Joy, at a meeting in August last 81 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: year that also included Alice Springs anti crime activist Darren Clark. Now, Brent, 82 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: does the government still support the Northern Territory Police Commissioner. 83 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's my absolute full support. Put me clearer on that. 84 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 5: I think what's important out of the EIKAK report is 85 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 5: that these related to twenty seven in twenty sixteen, and 86 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 5: there's no identified ongoing systemic institutional racism. We have our issues, 87 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 5: we have our issues, no doubt, but I think at 88 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 5: the end of the day, that's a very specific period 89 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 5: that's been reviewing the coronial. The commissiony ofhiself said he 90 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 5: will do better. I wasn't there for the conversation between 91 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 5: those two individuals and the commissions. I can't comment on it, 92 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 5: but I think he's made it very clear if he 93 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 5: made a mistake, and he would have done differently. In hindsight, 94 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 5: everyone makes mistakes. I've done it myself, but he has 95 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 5: my absolute support. 96 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 6: I mean, the IKAK report did mention that he'd found 97 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 6: the IKAK statement that came out earlier this week, that 98 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 6: he'd found no evidence of anything happening past twenty sixteen. 99 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 6: My question, Brandt is how do you believe that has happened, 100 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 6: that this has just dropped off the radar. Is it 101 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 6: that there has been institutional change within police or is 102 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 6: it the police certain police, not all police, but that 103 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 6: they're using different channels that may not necessarily be as 104 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 6: easily trackable for authorities for the ARKAK. 105 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 4: What's your feeling. 106 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's and I know you've asked me 107 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 5: questions about this out the last couple of days, as 108 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 5: many outlets have. 109 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: We've got to be really clear. 110 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 5: Institutional racism, systemic racism believe occurs in the Northern Territory 111 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 5: Police Force. They have all of the policies and processes 112 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 5: to recruit, retain and support people from multiple different backgrounds. 113 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 5: In terms of individual pockets, yes, there will be that, 114 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 5: and that is in every organization, and you are right 115 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 5: they use different platforms or I can tell you specifically 116 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 5: the Territory Response Group, the hierarchy in there has change. 117 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 5: I've gone and met them and I know who they 118 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 5: are and they've absolutely done a huge body of work 119 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 5: since twenty sixteen in that particular organization. 120 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: I line, I mean, do you believe that the Northern 121 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: Territory Police Force has issues with racism? 122 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: I think every organization does. It's a frontline organization. 123 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 5: Think about what they're dealing with every day, the trauma 124 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 5: they go and see what they get asked to go 125 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 5: and do. There's no doubt about that. The Veterans Royal 126 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 5: Commission found that dark humor is a cover for some 127 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 5: of the mental health issues that we see. So I'm 128 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 5: not making excuses for what I'm saying is that it 129 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 5: will happen. It does happen, and the commissioners recently, I 130 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 5: don't know if it's public, but he's bringing some people 131 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 5: on internally. 132 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 3: In the organization. 133 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 5: From another government agency that's to address these issues and 134 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 5: do lead the cultural reform through the average or justice 135 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 5: principles and foundations that we've agreedr. 136 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: Look, there is going to be some people listening this 137 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: morning who are saying, well, how can the police minister 138 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: sort of you know, how can he make a judgment 139 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: call on this when you yourself came under fire for 140 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: posts on your own social media So there's no judgment. 141 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 5: Call for me to be making in the context of 142 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 5: the commissioner and there's nothing criminal that has occurred here. 143 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 5: He's owned his mistake. Can he said or do better? 144 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 5: And that's why we have the coronial. The Coronial is 145 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 5: literally there to go through and bring this stuff out. 146 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 5: I'm not saying that there is an issues from the 147 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 5: police force. I'm not saying there is any pockets of races. 148 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 5: I'm just saying when people say he's a systemic racism 149 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 5: which is also known as institutional racism that does not 150 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 5: exist inside the organization, that would mean the organization there's 151 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 5: policies in place and barriers which they don't have. They 152 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 5: got eleven percent First Nations participation in that organization. The 153 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 5: only other department that beats them is the Aboriginal Interpreted Service, 154 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 5: Like they have got all these policies in place and 155 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 5: they're doing great work in that Lury Claire does. 156 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: The CLP continue to support the Northern Territory Police Commissioner 157 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: Michael Murphy despite these revelations earlier. 158 00:06:58,960 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: In the week. 159 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 7: We absolutely back our police. I mean they do an 160 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 7: incredible job under extremely difficult circumstances. You know, we know 161 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 7: that Labor have created a crime crisis, and I just 162 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 7: think it's interesting that Brent is providing a lot of 163 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 7: commentary around this and he is the police Minister, and 164 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 7: yet he is conflicted. And I think territorianes who are 165 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 7: listening today would realize that because you know, he too 166 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 7: has been approved and admitted that he too was being 167 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 7: racist as well. So, you know, I think that the 168 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 7: police do an incredible job. They definitely need more support. 169 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 7: They need stronger laws so they can do their job, 170 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 7: and that is something that labor has failed to give 171 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 7: to them. And they talk about they talk about all 172 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 7: this money and you know, all these promises of all 173 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 7: this extra funding, but the police actually need a lot 174 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 7: more than just big money thrown at them. 175 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: And so you do, though indeed, support the Northern Territory 176 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: Police Commissioner. 177 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 7: I think that the police and the Commissioner do an 178 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 7: incredible job with the limited resources they've got. You know, 179 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 7: they are under extreme pressure with having to deal with 180 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 7: offenders who continue to be out on our store. They 181 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 7: continue to pick up the same people all the time, 182 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 7: they're put for the judge and all of a sudden 183 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 7: they're back out on the street again. Do you support well, 184 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 7: I think we support the police and the Police commissioner. 185 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 7: I think an incredible job. 186 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's definitely like he has stepped in at 187 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: a really difficult time. You cannot deny that that the 188 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Commissioner, Michael Murphy has stepped in at 189 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: a really difficult time. No matter how anybody wants to 190 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: view it. We know that police morale has been incredibly low. 191 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: We know that the crime rates have been continuing to grow. 192 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: We know that we've got issues of course with retention 193 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: and retaining stuff. All the while, those coroonial in quests 194 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: continue on, not just the one in to Come and 195 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: Joe Walker, but also into deaths of Aboriginal women to 196 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: domestic violence. 197 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 5: It's worth noting that the Commissioner's work that he has 198 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 5: done over the last sort of six to eight months 199 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 5: and the time of years of deputy. The nutrition rate 200 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 5: is now down in the six percent of so we've 201 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 5: gone from eleven down to six. Now, that is absolutely 202 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 5: his hard work. It is the money we're putting into police. 203 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 5: So an anyone that' said is that he's. 204 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: Not getting. 205 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: An absolute shit show and. 206 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 5: You can only answer for what he's done, and you 207 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 5: think that is before his time. I think that he's 208 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 5: unreasonable to have someone personally own that, but as an 209 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 5: organization they have. 210 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: But so the question I've got now and I think 211 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: what's going to be really what's going to be really 212 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: difficult over the coming months, is that we've got a 213 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,599 Speaker 1: situation where our Northern Territory Police Force have been on 214 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: their knees. So it felt like they're unsupported by the 215 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: Northern Territory government. In previous Northern Territory Police Association surveys, 216 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: they have felt like there's not enough of them to 217 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: go out to different jobs. And we know that there's 218 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: work now happening in that space, but they're also now 219 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: in a situation where for a lot of those officers 220 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: that do an incredibly good job, that have worked bloody 221 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: hard for years and years. They're now probably feeling like 222 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory and different Territorians think that they're racist, 223 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: when for a lot of them, they go out to 224 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: incidents every single day where they stand up for territorians. 225 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: They go there when they're at their absolute lowest. And 226 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: I am not dining in any way any racist towards. 227 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: In fact, I think they're disgusting. But what I will 228 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: say is that some of the things that our Northern 229 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: Territory Police go out to every day, and a lot 230 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: of their clients, it does not matter whether you what 231 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: color your skin is and where you come from. 232 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: They do an incredibly good job. 233 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: And if we didn't have them, if we didn't have 234 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: the TRG to go to some of those incidents, what 235 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: situation would we be in. 236 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 5: No, we'd be lost to a degree, to be completely frank. 237 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 5: And those officers very recently went down Ali springstre in 238 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 5: the curfew and they saved a man's life that it 239 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 5: was quickly stabbed. They were first unseen and they kept 240 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 5: him alive, and then it was even the next day 241 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 5: Saint John's came and gave them. I think it was 242 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 5: a letter of appreciation or made comment, and it was 243 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 5: disappointing that the first article that was published said the 244 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 5: TRG save this man's life and then use out let's 245 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 5: later on change it just to Northern Territory Police Force. 246 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's deliberate, but we need to make 247 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 5: sure we're not punishing the guys that are in the 248 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 5: the guys and girls in the organization now who are 249 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 5: like you rightly pointed out, disappointed that the reputation of 250 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 5: their organization has now been brought into question for actions 251 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 5: that they haven't done. And they've done a lot of 252 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 5: work since twenty sixteen, like you talk to them, it 253 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 5: is not the same organization that it was in two thousands. 254 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: No doubt. Some further work though, it's going to need 255 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: to happen, right. 256 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 5: And we've said the anti discrictly, we said the Anti 257 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 5: discrim Commissioner will do some work, and I think the 258 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 5: commission's just to I know, the Commission's just hired someone 259 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 5: from the Average or Justice Unit that's come. 260 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: Over to do a bunch of work inside the organization. 261 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 6: And there will need to be work in the community 262 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 6: as well to restore that faith, because you can't have 263 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 6: a situation where people are seeing these headlines and they're 264 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 6: getting an impression of the Northern Territory Police and therefore 265 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 6: they're not wanting to come forward and report absolute times 266 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 6: and report things that have happened to them. So there 267 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 6: needs to be work done in the public space as 268 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 6: well to make people have faith in them. 269 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 270 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that work within the communities and getting out there, 271 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: and I know that that is something that our police do. 272 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: I do just want to also mention that we know 273 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory i CAC did indeed will they had 274 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: been investigating allegations of racism as we know within the 275 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Force, and mister Richards did indeed release 276 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: that statement earlier in the week saying that he'd been 277 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: in contact with twenty past and present TRG members and 278 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: had been presented with two awards with racist woods in them. 279 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: You know, we know then that it had well, it 280 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: had been found that he believed that there was that 281 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: shift in attitudes as you've touched on Brent and behavior 282 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, finding no evidence of racism from thereafter, 283 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: and has renewed his call for information that may assist 284 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: with the investigation. So so no doubt there will be 285 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: some further I guess we're going to We're going to 286 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: wait and see what the findings of that coronial do 287 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: come out with as well, so there will be more 288 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: on this. But look we are going to take a 289 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: bit of a break. You are listening to Mix one 290 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: O four point nine's three sixty. Well, we're out and 291 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: about on the road today. We are out here at 292 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: Darwin Mazda Beerroma where they have got their end of 293 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: financial year of sale on. 294 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: Now head on out. 295 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: If you're after a vehicle, there are some beautiful cars 296 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: out here, Brent Potti, you're not going to leave with 297 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: a new one Area. 298 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 3: I just had to give it one of our cars 299 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: to our daughters to jo. 300 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: We'll wait and see what happens. You look quite they're lovely. Now, look, 301 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: there is so much to discuss this morning. 302 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: If you've just joined us, We've got Murray Clair Booby, 303 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: Brent Potter and of course Tom Morgan from the ABC. 304 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 6: Now. 305 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: In some pretty disappointing news earlier in the week, a 306 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: Darwin business owner who's described well he's he's decided to 307 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: shut shop after what he has described as six and 308 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: a half wonderful years of serving gelato to the beautiful 309 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: city of Darwin. John Conig spoke to me earlier in 310 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: the week to say that he's going to be closing 311 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: at the end of the dry season now. He said, 312 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: the escalating crime and anti social behavior over the years have. 313 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: Taken a toll. 314 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: Customers and lifelong friends have told him that they're refusing 315 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: to come into the city with their children as they 316 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 1: do not feel safe and the behavior that occurs on 317 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: the streets is disgusting. Like many others, he said, I've 318 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: decided to close down and look to move into state. 319 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: Darwin City has been my home for over thirty years, 320 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: a city that I used to love deep. However, times 321 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: have changed and I've fallen out of love with USh now. 322 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: I'd spoken to him just a couple of weeks ago 323 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: after he'd been left really quite shaken after being threatened 324 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: by a man who'd earlier been involved in a fight 325 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: just next to John John's. 326 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: I've got to tell you it's a fan favorite at 327 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: my house. 328 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: You know, my daughter wanted to go there last night, 329 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: was begging to go there after we've been for sushi. 330 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: It is a wonderful little business, and he is a 331 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: really great young fella trying to make a go of 332 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: it in Darwin. It is really disappointing that we're in 333 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: a situation that in our Darwin CBD, we've got a 334 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: business that sells ice cream that has decided to shut 335 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: up shop. He said, Katie, I've seen more naked people 336 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: in the city than anyone should have to see. 337 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 7: And I think, Katie, it really goes to the point of, 338 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 7: you know, what our lifestyle should be like and used 339 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 7: to be like here in the territory. I mean, when 340 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 7: you can't even take your kids into the city to 341 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 7: have an ice cream, and then that really goes to 342 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 7: the heart of what we're talking about with the fact that, 343 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 7: you know, crime and antisocial behavior has just been left 344 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 7: for them to do whatever they want these days, which 345 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 7: is just not okay. I mean the fact that John 346 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 7: has tried so hard to keep this business open. I 347 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 7: mean he's closed down a number of times to try 348 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 7: and keep his staff and his customers safe and the 349 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 7: kids that are there, and then he closes down, he reopens, 350 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 7: he's trying to do it again, but he's heartbroken. I mean, 351 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 7: and this is the problem. We have so many of 352 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 7: these businesses who have tried so hard and they just. 353 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: Can't do it anymore. 354 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 7: And that the thing we've got is that the labor 355 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 7: government are talking a big talk. They like to say 356 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 7: a lot of things, and I know Brenton is going 357 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 7: to have something to say, and he'll say a lot 358 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 7: of words, but it is all talk and what we're 359 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 7: not seeing is actually I mean, of course, we have 360 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 7: to be able to deal with these offenders and make 361 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 7: sure that they've rehabilitated and they've got a life beyond 362 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 7: crime and the antisocial things that we see every day, 363 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 7: but there has to be a line drawn where there 364 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 7: are consequences for their actions, and consequences is just something 365 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 7: that this government does not want to hear about. 366 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 5: You know. 367 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 7: It doesn't have consequences for itself and it certainly doesn't 368 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 7: have consequences for criminals. 369 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 6: And mentioned there in the statement that you know John 370 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 6: is opting to move into State to pursue other opportunities, 371 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 6: and that's something that has been a bit of a 372 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 6: theme lately. We saw the latest immigration and sort of 373 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 6: population day to come out and we saw, as per 374 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 6: usual but even more so now an exodus of people 375 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 6: moving into State from the Northern Territory, which has been 376 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 6: an ongoing issue, and it's one where the government has 377 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 6: been talking a lot about wanting to hit this three hundred. 378 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 4: Thousand people population target for many years now. 379 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 6: They're talking about new housing estates out in parts of 380 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 6: Palmerstan and the northern suburbs, but at the same time 381 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:47,359 Speaker 6: we're seeing people. 382 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 4: Leave one hundred and sixty eight net. The quarter number that. 383 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 5: Leb is that the quarter number that you've had to 384 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 5: correct yourself on because I agree with John John's leaving. 385 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: Seriously, I'm going to believing the territory. 386 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 5: I mean is I'm going to correct u MCB. I'll 387 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 5: let you talk now. It goes around, so what we 388 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 5: do in a panel. It's horrible that John John's leaving. 389 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 5: I've spoken to him. It is disgusting. I went out 390 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 5: there like two times. I've spoken on the phone since 391 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 5: he spoke to you. We put on additional security patrol 392 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 5: out there because council stop the funding into the new year. 393 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 5: So there's an extra two person TPS patrol just around 394 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 5: his area and in the mall. And it has cleaned 395 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 5: that up. It's made he's working. The problem is there 396 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 5: is no short fix. As much as I hate saying that, yeah, 397 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 5: but it's like Dad. 398 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: Said, you guys, you got rid of the two kilometer 399 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: rule as well, so people can drink in the city. 400 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: Like you can say whatever you want. People are getting 401 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: drunk in the city. So why a there's still people 402 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 2: drinking in. 403 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 3: The city because they are a substance addiction. 404 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: And so what we just like you just leave it 405 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: to languish in the CBJ. 406 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: So what should be happening? 407 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: So what is happening? 408 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 5: So they get picked up protective custody. It's disorderly conducted 409 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 5: public place. It's criminals. 410 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: So someone's getting drunk and the walking around the cbdor 411 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: someone's threatening him with the machete and the in the CBD. 412 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: And then how are they back there the next start? 413 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 3: That is all criminal what you describe it. 414 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: But so how are they back there the next day? 415 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 3: Well, they won't be back there if they get their 416 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 3: bail testing. 417 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: Well, they were back there the next day after it 418 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: happened the first time. 419 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: Right, So I get it, you guys, like I get 420 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: told all the right things every Friday, you know, by 421 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: every politician. We're getting told all the right things, but 422 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: all the while the place continues to suffer. And the 423 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: point that Tom's making about the population not growing is 424 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: such a good one. We want the population to grow, 425 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: but we also want the people that are here to stay. 426 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: We want to keep these wonderful people in the northern 427 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: terrat Not. 428 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 5: Getting a disagreement from Kadia. All I'm saying is when 429 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 5: we talk about the stats, because that feeds into everything 430 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 5: we talk about. 431 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 3: We have had a net increase, not huge, but it's 432 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 3: growing by point in land. 433 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 4: But that's driven by international migration, not into state migration. 434 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 5: Correct, But some of the international migration that comes to 435 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 5: territory stays for the minimum period and then they go 436 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 5: down south. So if we're talking about our largest population 437 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 5: growth with international migration. 438 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: How are we going to sort it? 439 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: Right? 440 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: If fundamentally you're saying, oh no, hang on, that's roll no. 441 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 5: The only way to solve it is resources. That's the 442 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 5: only way we're going to fix this is having more police, 443 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 5: having more transit. 444 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: Stated about laws at least need to be done. 445 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: No criminal hars. I'm just going to go to Tom 446 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: for a second. Are you going, Tom? 447 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 6: It's really interesting that John John's is literally diagonally across 448 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 6: the road from a station in the CBDs, and even 449 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 6: they are having trouble with this, and you've said that 450 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 6: there are more blue shirts now patrolling the CBD, but 451 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 6: you know that obviously hasn't been enough to convince this 452 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 6: business that it's worth staying in that location. 453 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 4: So the question is you know what needs to be done. 454 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 6: I know you talk about resourcing, but but surely something 455 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 6: should be done now to fix this situation so they 456 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 6: can stay. 457 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 3: It's so right now as. 458 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 5: Of June twenty eight, sixty three offs are graduating out 459 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 5: of the college and they're going straight in the Territory 460 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 5: Safety Division. 461 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 3: If you if you want to deal with the behaviors, 462 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 3: because this is his behaviors. It's changing behaviors no matter 463 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: what the opposition says, no criminal things. 464 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: They do what you say. 465 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: Because these are the conversations right that I'm having with 466 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: mums and dads through the week, not on air. I've 467 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: literally got mums saying to me, Katie, I no longer 468 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: allow my child to get off at the bus stop 469 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: at parap or In when they're or near the narrows, 470 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, near the narrows there, and this is why, 471 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: And sending me photos at three o'clock in the afternoon 472 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: of people urinating at that bus stop, sitting in the gutter, intoxicated, 473 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing. So what do you say to 474 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: those families, to those moms that have changed the way 475 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: that they look after their children and have had to 476 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: change the way that they do things in the afternoon 477 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: because they actually don't feel safe leaving their child in 478 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: that environment or allowing their child to walk home a 479 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: short distance because of the dangerous behavior. 480 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: That goes on. I mean, you know yourself, like You've 481 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: been very open and honest with me when my. 482 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: Daughter's been in dangerous situations at the bus stop through 483 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: absolutely no fault of her own. So this is something 484 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: that everyday people are dealing with and it's. 485 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: Just not good enough. 486 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 5: So I have been honest with you, and I'm honest 487 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 5: with every parent saying it's not going to change overnight 488 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 5: the behaviors that have managed. How is that. 489 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: Okay for a kid to not be able. 490 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 3: To get on they'd had on? It's not okay. I'm 491 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 3: not saying it is okay. I never said it has. 492 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 5: I'm just saying the way to get the resolution that 493 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 5: everyone wants is going to take resources in time or 494 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 5: use parap as an example. When I took hold on 495 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 5: when I took over, that was a daily occurrence. What 496 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 5: you describe it is barely a daily occurrence. Now we 497 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 5: have peaks and troughs. And so one of the things 498 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 5: that I've brought in in Parap was the local liquor 499 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 5: coord You can't buy grog unless you're from the area. 500 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 5: Now that has now been rolled out across Darwin. It 501 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 5: comes in Gazettel very shortly from the administrator. But no 502 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 5: criminal things. They're going to get caught Cake, I hate 503 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 5: saying it, but they don't think they're going to get caught. 504 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 2: So they also don't think they're going to get in 505 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: trouble at the moment. 506 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 5: Well, they don't care whether they get in trouble not. 507 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 5: They don't need to get in caught. And the fact 508 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 5: is our prisons, our prisons are so full. People are 509 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 5: getting a consequence. Whether the Seal people want to believe 510 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 5: it or not, there are more people in prisons. 511 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: Look, I've got a message here that's just come through 512 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: from Gaye. It says Hi Kat. 513 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: I've been sitting on the fence waiting when the public 514 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: will actually when we're going to be informed about the 515 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: brutal machete attack on Friday afternoon in parapp last week. 516 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: Maybe not a lack of police or reporters, or one 517 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: would say political censoring. There's the general public don't know. 518 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: This happened outside of Brent Potter's office. 519 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 5: Apparently was there, so I called the police. I saw it, 520 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 5: and it hasn't been held from anyone there. I think 521 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 5: there was a media release that went out from police 522 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 5: on it. They know the offender that they're after, and 523 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 5: I think, I'm well, yeah, actually. 524 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure. 525 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: Crystal followed up on this yesterday and there hasn't been 526 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: any arrest made. Oh yes, So Crystal got in contact 527 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: with police for an update on this yesterday and we've 528 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: been told investigations are ongoing and no arrests have been 529 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: made at this stage. 530 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: But I know who it is. They've just got to 531 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 3: catch the person, so they do know who it is. 532 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: When was this last Friday afternoon that Katie this happens 533 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: On the afternoon. 534 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 7: Last week in at a last shopping center, the exact 535 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 7: same thing happened. A guy walking around with a one 536 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 7: meter axe came at the staff at Cole's like they 537 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 7: were petrified. It was during the day and I've heard 538 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 7: it was an off duty police officer who was able 539 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 7: to come and assist with that at that incident. But 540 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 7: those staff they're too scared to go to work. Now, 541 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 7: this isn't just in perhaps where Brent's office is. 542 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 5: This is all so let's talk about consequence though in 543 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 5: that instance if that individual is arrested, and he will 544 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 5: because they know who it is, they know what community. 545 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: So at the moment, though, we've got somebody at large 546 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: who has injured somebody else with the machete last Friday 547 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: afternoon in broad daylight. 548 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 5: Yes, that's what the police are saying. And to be honest, 549 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 5: there are criminals that are always at large that police 550 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 5: are chasing down. Like, we don't get everyone, but they 551 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 5: will get him. They have a very good success rate 552 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 5: in getting individuals. And a no viper so tried and 553 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 5: has taken that over and they'll get him. Oh look 554 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 5: what is in that instance when we talk about consequence, 555 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 5: because that's what she's going to say next, That person, 556 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 5: because of what they've done with the weapon in public, 557 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 5: will start from a presumption of no bail. 558 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: Oh a bloody hopes. So I would absolutely hope. 559 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 5: And that very specifically that law has broke their bottle, 560 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 5: that law has been there. That law has been there, 561 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 5: and you talk about consequences in bail being too light 562 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 5: that individual, nothing has changed. 563 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 3: He will go to the court. He'll start from a 564 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: presumption of no bail. 565 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: All right. 566 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: I want to I want to sort of move along 567 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: to some of the other elements of this discussion. I 568 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: think and and one of those, And Brent, you did 569 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: touch on this just a moment ago. You know that 570 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: people are going to now be showing their idea and 571 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: having to prove where they have to drink to be 572 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: able to purchase alcohol. That is something that the Parliament 573 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: had passed at the last parliamentary sittings. 574 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 2: It still has to be gazetted, so it's. 575 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 5: Not quite there yet, but it will be before that 576 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 5: we see the sort of school holiday period coming. 577 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 2: In Okay, which is look, I hope that that's a 578 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: good step. 579 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: I really really do we know The Territory government is 580 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: also enlisting consultants to help dry communities develop alcohol management plans, 581 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: with Alcohol Minister Brent Potter yourself telling the Northern Territory 582 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: News that anti social behavior happens when people travel to urban. 583 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: Areas to access grog. I mean, do we think that 584 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: this is going to make a difference. 585 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: Do we think that if people are able to access 586 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: alcohol in their communities, Tom, that it could make a difference. 587 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 6: I mean, you know that is a likelihood. I do 588 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 6: remember sort of sitting around on the week that was 589 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 6: two years ago, talking to I think was Selina Eyubo 590 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 6: on the panel at the time, the changes that the 591 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 6: government were making because of the sunsetting of stronger futures, 592 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 6: and the same line of it will be safe for 593 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 6: everyone because this will something that will allow safe access 594 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 6: in communities, And what we saw, unfortunately, was a bit. 595 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 4: Different Springs exactly, wasn't it. Well I'm not going to 596 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 4: be drawn on any you know, one way or the other. 597 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 6: But the issue here is that whether or not we're 598 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 6: simply sweeping the issue into remote communities and sort of 599 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 6: ignoring it here in Darwen and Alice Springs and just 600 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 6: letting it happen elsewhere because we're confronted by it in 601 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 6: Darwen and Alice Springs. So I want to put that 602 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 6: question to you, Brent, whether you think that's a possibility. 603 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's happening regardless whether we have community 604 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 5: clubs in communities or we have them here unless be 605 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 5: really clear the violence is happening at the moment in 606 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 5: the community. It's happening in town. I don't believe making. 607 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 5: And you talk about the two kilometeral right now, you 608 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 5: cannot have an open container in Darwin. 609 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 2: It's just people have them there. But that's my big 610 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: question is we keep hearing that, but why do people 611 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 2: have them all happening before? 612 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: Well? And you know what, we also had a situation 613 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: though where we got told exactly what you are saying now. 614 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: Then Chancey Pake stood up in Parliament and said the 615 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: reason that it changed is because it was they wanted 616 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 1: to decriminalize alcoholism and people drinking in those public places. 617 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: So you guys are saying one thing inside Parliament and 618 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: something quite different when you're then out in the public. 619 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 5: I can tell you right now, as the Alcohol Policy Minister, 620 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 5: to have an open container, and as the Police Minister, 621 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 5: have an open container. Yes, the act of having a 622 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 5: drink is not criminal, but the behavior that comes from 623 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 5: being intoxicated is still absolutely criminal. 624 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 7: Drink so. 625 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 5: You and I can go to East Point and have 626 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 5: a drink and not be disorderly and that's not illegal. 627 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 5: But if the two kilometer rule was there you and I. 628 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 5: If a police officer rocked up and if they weren't 629 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 5: being picking and choosing who they gave it to, you 630 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 5: and I would be committing offense. 631 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't care because if it's the rules and 632 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: regulations and that's what I need to abide by, well. 633 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 5: I would make everyone should be able to have a 634 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 5: beer on the foreshore, whether your two kilometers within the 635 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 5: bottle shop at the time of sunset. Your behavior is 636 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 5: the problem, and the behavior we've seen the cities is 637 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 5: the problem. And hence why I say getting a community 638 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 5: club in community communities have to start to own how 639 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 5: they live with alcohol. 640 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 3: We have to start having a discussion that paternalistic. 641 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 6: Well, my understanding is the two kilometer rule still does exist. 642 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 6: It's still technically illegal to drink with. 643 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 3: Anywhere in Darwin, so the. 644 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 6: But there's no charge, there's no offense attached to it, 645 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 6: there's no criminal penelty attached. 646 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 3: Technically, the alcohol is confiscated. 647 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 5: And then when you're acting in a disorderly way, that 648 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 5: is an offense and you'll be you can be charged 649 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 5: in rest. 650 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 2: Well, look, I won't get we won't. We'll try not 651 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 2: to get too bogged. 652 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 4: Out in that. 653 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 2: But back to the alcohol in communities. 654 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: Look, my biggest my biggest question, I guess or concern is, 655 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: and I think it will be the concern of a 656 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: lot of people, is how do we make sure that 657 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: in those communities where there are alcohol management plans that 658 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: women and children are indeed safe and looked after. Because 659 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: that's my biggest worry that the most vulnerable R and 660 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: D kep site. 661 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 5: And this won't be if you're in a remote community 662 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 5: you can go to a takeaway venue and take it 663 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 5: to your house in the community. 664 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 3: That's not it. 665 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 5: We're talking community clubs where there are strict rules around 666 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 5: when you can access what is served. For example, is 667 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 5: one of the provisions for the community club to open 668 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 5: school attendance, you know, and obviously one of them will 669 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 5: be the domestic familyviolence offenders will not be going and 670 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 5: having access to ALCOHO because they get put in a BDR. 671 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 5: Now with the changes that we've made, but we need 672 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 5: to make it so that people can learn to live 673 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 5: with out go becomes normalized because at the moment we 674 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 5: do have people transitting significant different distances to access ol 675 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 5: Coal and Alice Springs and Dalwen where we are seeing 676 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 5: that manifestation of any social behavior. Until we get people 677 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 5: living with it, prohibition is not going to work. People 678 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 5: are still going to do secondary supply and rod running. 679 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 5: We need to have another way. 680 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 6: My question though, is you know you're moving on this issue, 681 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 6: but what about the provision of domestic violence safehouses in 682 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 6: remote communities. We had a Senate committee come up here 683 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 6: a few months ago that really noted that there's very 684 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 6: few places where people who are fleeing domestic violence can 685 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 6: go in remote communities. So shouldn't that be something that 686 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 6: should be there before alcohol is allowed interronot community? 687 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 5: And so you're raised an absolutely great point, and we're 688 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 5: putting more money in the sect gap, but no plan 689 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 5: will be just approved off the cuffew so it'll have 690 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 5: to go to a vote in the community. 691 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 3: It will need to be assessed against all of those pieces. 692 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 5: Do we have the domestic family sexual violence support in 693 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 5: the community, Do we have the safe houses? 694 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 3: Do we have health od So. 695 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 6: You won't approve those litqual licenses or anything if there 696 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 6: isn't that sort of provision in place. 697 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 5: If that's what comes back in the plan they com mitigate. 698 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 5: Those are the questions that the committee reviewing. We'll be 699 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 5: assessing it against We're not just going okay, you've got 700 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 5: a building where we can give you out come. 701 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 3: That's not how it works. 702 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 5: They will have to have all these revisions in place, 703 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 5: and we need to see police, the remote health staff 704 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 5: there at the same time, we need to see our 705 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 5: domestic family violence specialists at the point of saying so 706 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 5: they can have the discussion it works in. 707 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: Twe Now I want to move along just slightly. Like 708 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: I said, there is so much to cover off on 709 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: this morning. Our to Saint Vinnie's move. Now, we spoke 710 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: about this earlier in the week, Brent, You and I 711 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: and our listeners will recall a few weeks ago as well, 712 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: we had people get in contact concerned that Saint Vinie's 713 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: were moving their homeless services from Stuart Park to Coconut Grove. 714 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 2: Now we did have that confirmation, of course with you 715 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 2: earlier in the week. 716 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: We then spoke to the CEO, Rob Blutter yesterday, who 717 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: had confirmed that yes, that is going to be happy 718 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: for a two year period and they have met with 719 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government more than one hundred meetings, he said, 720 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: over three and a half years to try to find 721 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 1: a permanent location for Saint Finnis. I mean, look, it's 722 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 1: not an ideal scenario for the Northern Territory government as 723 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: you lead into an election to have these services moving 724 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: from Stuart Park to Coconut Grove, where a lot of 725 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: those locals are going to be a bit worried that 726 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: there's going to be an increase in anti social behavior, 727 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: rightly or wrongly, but also in a location where it's 728 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: not only like I know, it's a your electorate, but 729 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: it also sort of is potentially going to impact on 730 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: Nightcliff and even on Johnson if there is a flare 731 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: up of anti social behavior. Look, I want to say 732 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: right from the get go that we definitely need to 733 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: have homelessness services. You'll never get an argument from me 734 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: on that. But gee, it's hard to find a location 735 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: where people are happy. 736 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: To have them, Katie. 737 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 7: I mean the fact that they had to have one 738 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 7: hundred meetings with government, I mean that just goes to 739 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 7: show that Vini's have been having this conversation with government 740 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 7: for so long, but government haven't been enable to come 741 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 7: up with a suitable location. I mean Mark Monahan, the 742 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 7: Member for fong Limb, promised in twenty twenty at that 743 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 7: election that he was going to have that service moved 744 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 7: from the people around Stuart Park because they were complaining 745 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 7: about it. Now four years on, nothing has happened. Vinni's 746 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 7: have had all those hundreds of meetings with no avail, 747 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 7: and we've got Brent Potter and Natasha Files all saying no, no, no, 748 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 7: Mark Monahan, we don't want it in our patch either. 749 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 7: I mean, this is Labor who are absolutely devised. 750 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 2: The CLP support the move. 751 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 7: We do support the move, but this is where some 752 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 7: Vinnie's have just been stuck between a rock and a 753 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 7: hard place and they're having to deal with this mess 754 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 7: because Labor can't sort it out. What we would do, Kdie, 755 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 7: is we would actually sit down with Vinnie's and the 756 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 7: community and we would find a suitable location for it 757 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 7: to happen, because we absolutely the last four years well 758 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 7: and that's the point, Brent, it's taken four years. I mean, 759 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 7: you guys can't deliver on anything on time. 760 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 5: Let's just be really clear, right, So I'm absolutely supportive 761 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 5: of it moving from Stuart Park. And Mark made a 762 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 5: commute and guess what he's delivering on the commitment that 763 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 5: he made to his constituents. We said, we went in, 764 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 5: door knocked, We went and spoke to the residence in 765 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 5: my electud. I've not seen my counterpart out there at all, 766 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 5: door knocking anyone. They haven't seen her on this issue. 767 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 5: I know my residents are unhappy with the location. It 768 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 5: was originally slated for five years. They've done a body 769 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 5: of work to get it down to two. 770 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: Did you say they're happy with this location? 771 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 5: No, No, they're this location. They originally asked for five years. 772 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 5: I believe ven he's in the department and it got 773 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 5: knocked back to two. We will find them a permanent 774 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 5: home because it is a service that we believe should 775 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 5: be funded. And I think more than anyone a labor 776 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 5: government has put more money into remote housings and homelessness services. 777 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 2: What the thing is two years? 778 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: Like, I have people contact me yesterday saying, Katie, how 779 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: are they going to do this over a two year period. 780 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: It took me that long to get my house built 781 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 2: and all the. 782 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 3: Approvals, and I own the land, so they've got well, 783 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 3: they've got the DCA now to move in. 784 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: I think it's demundables, I know, but I mean into 785 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: their new location in two years time, Like, how are 786 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: you going to get to that point where they've got 787 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: somewhere new to move into in two years time if 788 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: you don't even know where it's going to be. 789 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 790 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 7: Sure, they've taken four years to have a temporary location 791 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 7: which is already there, So I don't think territories Wasn't's. 792 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 5: Be really clear, that wasn't game, That wasn't their first 793 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 5: location choice, nor was it ours. But they'll be able 794 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 5: to move into a new location and we've made a 795 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 5: commitment to work with them on that. It's interesting that 796 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 5: you know, you talk about being able to get the 797 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 5: you'll have discussions with Vinni's in the community. Well, I'm 798 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 5: having the discussions with the community and they don't want 799 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 5: it there. So if you can find a place right 800 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 5: now that the community wanted in their location, then go 801 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 5: for it. But I can tell it's not as easy 802 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 5: as you make it out to be. Marray Claire, Look, we. 803 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: Are going to take a very short break. You are 804 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: listening to Mix one oh four point nine three sixty. Well, 805 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: it's a very busy hour down here this morning. We 806 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: are coming to your live from Darwin Mazda in Berrima 807 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: for their end of financial year specials. I'll tell you 808 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: more about those after ten o'clock this morning, but with 809 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: me today I've got Thomas Morgan from the ABC. I've 810 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: also got Brent Potter, and we've also got Marie Claire 811 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: Boothby and quite a lot. 812 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 2: To cover off. 813 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: I do want to touch on the fact that the 814 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: Darwen Turf Club their board met earlier this week to 815 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: discuss this year is great Northern Darwe but have decided 816 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: to take a cautious approach to operational and infrastructure investment 817 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: due to a general decline in ticket sales now. The decline, 818 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: they say, is attributed to limited interstate access to the 819 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: Northern Territory, cost of living pressures and other economic challenges 820 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: reducing discretionary spending, and attempts to secure additional funding from 821 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: stakeholders to enhance the carnival have been unsuccessful and consequently 822 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: the board has decided to close the center field and 823 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,479 Speaker 1: focus those resources on improving service delivery to other guests 824 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: on the grandstand side of the track. Now, look, I 825 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: think it's a sensible decision by the board in the 826 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: sense that if you really can't guarantee that you've got 827 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: the same numbers that you've had in previous years. It 828 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: would be I think it would be irresponsible for a 829 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: board then to go down the path of still putting 830 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: that infrastructure in place and still spending that level of 831 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: money if you're just not sure whether you're going to 832 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: get the visitorship. Now I can almost anticipate what everybody's 833 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: going to say from our political perspective. 834 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 2: If so, Tom, what do you make of version? We'll 835 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 2: go to you first night. 836 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 6: The bit you said they're about limited interstate something I 837 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 6: can't remember exactly the word, but it does remind me 838 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 6: that sort of it is quite difficult for people. 839 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 4: To travel here. 840 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: It's still expensive. 841 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 6: And this was something that I heard as well with 842 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 6: regards to Base in the Grass, that a whole bunch 843 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 6: of people actually booked flights to come up here for 844 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 6: the festival with Bonza. Then Bonsa went down and so 845 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 6: they were left having to rebook flights with jet Star 846 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 6: that were like, you know, seven hundred dollars one way. 847 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 6: And it does remain a pretty I guess it's a 848 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 6: fact of law in the territory that like the flights 849 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 6: to the Northern Territory expensive, that the Northern Territory are 850 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 6: expensive and when you have all these other alternatives elsewhere, 851 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 6: you're not going to come up here and do those 852 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 6: sorts of things. So you know, the territory government has 853 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 6: been talking a lot about it's you know, aviation attraction scheme, 854 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 6: about trying to get people up here for tourism. We've 855 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 6: got cheap flights to Ellara apparently. But I do wonder 856 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 6: whether the anti government needs to be more because you know, 857 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 6: as we're seeing here with Base in the Grass and 858 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 6: now with the Darwin Cup, there is I guess a 859 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 6: tourism exodus from an northern territory. 860 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 2: It's a huge part of our livability. 861 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 7: It is absolutely, Katie. I mean the fact that we've 862 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 7: got the Darwen Cup carnival, which is iconic right around 863 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 7: the nation. I mean you would know lots of people 864 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 7: who would come here, boys trip, girls trip, family trip, 865 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 7: the racing die hards and they come to the Darwin Cup. 866 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 7: They spend their money not only when they're here at 867 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 7: the Cup, but they you know, they're in our businesses, 868 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 7: our hairdressers, our dress shops. They might get souvenirs of course, 869 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 7: our cafes and restaurants. And if there's less people coming 870 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 7: for the Darwin cup. That's a real huge impact for 871 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 7: our dry season on our businesses are already doing it 872 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 7: really tough. I mean, the fact that we have a 873 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 7: crime reputation which is also a factor. I know what 874 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 7: Brent's gonna say, but it absolutely is a factor. If 875 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 7: you're looking to come on a trip to the territory 876 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 7: and you google, you know what's it like up here? 877 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 7: Of course you're going to read all these headlines. I mean, 878 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 7: you know, look at John John's as an example. And 879 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 7: so now the Darwen Cut Carnival they're a victim of this. 880 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 7: You know, the state in which our territory is at 881 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 7: the moment. We have a terrible rip reputation which needs 882 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 7: rebuilding and it's not going to see any rebuilding under 883 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 7: this current government who have failed to deliver on. 884 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 2: All of these actions. 885 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 7: And it's it's our businesses that are going to suffer. 886 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 7: And of course, if our economy is growing and the 887 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 7: Darwen Carnival really should be growing, not reducing, then of 888 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 7: course everyone does better. And that's what that's why we're 889 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 7: so focused on this. And I mean, of course Brent's 890 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 7: going to say, well, I'm going. 891 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 5: To say is you're not an economist and neither am 892 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 5: I and to say if the economy is growing, therefore 893 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 5: and make the link that the Darwin Cup therefore grows. 894 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: Going. 895 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 5: Well, the one thing, one thing that's not that she's 896 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 5: not mentioning here is the country isn't cost of living crisis. 897 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 5: We have interest rates still sitting higher, there's anticipation of 898 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 5: another rate increase potentially at the end of the year. 899 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 5: Those have an impact on people's expendable cash. 900 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 3: I agree. The issue is flights. 901 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 5: When we talk about the Aviation Attraction Fund, it isn't 902 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 5: about getting flights from down South to Darwen. The key 903 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 5: to getting more flights from down South to Darwen is 904 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 5: to get more into national flights into daw and to 905 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 5: create the pool for the national carriers to come up. 906 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 3: And we see that recy of it. 907 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 5: We are so we've got contests that starts up there 908 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 5: Singapore leg later this year. We've had Singapore Airlines start 909 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 5: up their Singapore Link as well. We need more international 910 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 5: flights to create your market. 911 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: I want to point out that I know and look 912 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: a lot of people know, my husband actually works out 913 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: of Cans and out of the Cans airport, so I 914 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,919 Speaker 1: know that Cans is absolutely bustling in terms of having 915 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: additional flights flying to other parts of the country, to 916 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: other parts. 917 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 2: Of the world. You know, they've got these additional routes 918 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 2: that are coming on board. We're being left behind and 919 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 2: they're in at the moment they are, but we're being 920 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 2: left behind. 921 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: So even if we have Singapore, like that's one route 922 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: and yes, that's great, but over the years we've just 923 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: seen them come and go so often out. 924 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 7: Of So you'll admit the problem and then we can 925 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 7: actually start to address what were you going to say there? 926 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 6: Well, you know, I remember going to the day on 927 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 6: airport not too long ago, and this was after COVID 928 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 6: everything's opened back up and looking at the departures board 929 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 6: and it was just all Quantus, Jetstar, Jetstar Quantas, which 930 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 6: are one company. Right, there's the odd Virgin flight to Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne. 931 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 6: But there is a lack of competition in the territories 932 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 6: air market and that does have consequences in terms of 933 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 6: how much they can actually charge you and I to 934 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 6: fly into state. And so there is an argument that 935 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 6: there does need to be competition, but there have been 936 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 6: promises of competition the government, you know, backed bonds are 937 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 6: and unfortunately that didn't really have payoff. 938 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 3: We actually we. 939 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 5: Should be doing that and I think we can only 940 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 5: back in where we think aircrafts are going to be successful. 941 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 5: And when you talk about competition, the reality of it 942 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 5: is you have Rex Alliance, you have Jetstar and Quantus 943 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 5: and Virgin. They're the five players and arguably all five 944 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 5: of them in some way, shape or form less Rex. 945 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 2: Fly to Darwin, and the cost of flights the model four. 946 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 5: Kids and my parents live in Melbourne, like it is 947 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 5: an expensive piece for us to go down there. But 948 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 5: I think the way that we draw the National carries 949 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 5: to Darwen on more legs because they're doing the legs 950 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 5: which need more of it is getting to National flights 951 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 5: and true in the darn one. 952 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: Look, the thing I'm sort of hearing this morning is 953 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: is and you know, obviously I expect and anticipate that 954 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: the opposition is going to be quite critical of everything 955 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: that the government does. But Brent, what I am hearing 956 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: from you this morning, and I get it because you 957 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: are obviously in government and both of you are trying 958 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: to be re elected, but that you've sort of got 959 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 1: an answer to everything when it comes to the issues 960 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 1: that we've got right now, but things aren't getting better. 961 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: So what hope can we give people listening today that 962 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: anything's going to change if the attitude of the government 963 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: is that, well, look, you know, the reason that it's 964 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: this way is because of X, Y and Z, And 965 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: there isn't a real, you know, admission or a real 966 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,919 Speaker 1: kind of acknowledgment that things aren't great. 967 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 5: So I've come on your show every time we talk 968 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 5: about crime, and I acknowledge it's not great. I've never 969 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 5: said that it isn't. My point is, we get your 970 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,720 Speaker 5: advice in the department, we get your advice from Treasury, 971 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 5: and Treasury are saying from next year a two percent 972 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 5: increase on our GSP state product, so the economy is growing. 973 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 3: The opposition don't want to hear that. 974 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 5: And then seven years ago, yeah, because the impacts shut down, 975 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 5: So we had the impects it's well, he's going to 976 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,240 Speaker 5: get better because we have the Santos baross A project 977 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 5: coming online seven percent increase in the second year of production. 978 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 5: So twenty six twenty seven, we see that going up 979 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 5: by seven percent. On shore beater lou gas coming online, 980 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 5: we see our a few resources likely to get to 981 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 5: FID later this year we're going to and then potentially 982 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,879 Speaker 5: in twenty thirty. We sing impets talking about a third 983 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 5: train development like the next five to six years is 984 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 5: good for the economy and that will bring workers and families, 985 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 5: which will bring flights. And that's not and that's not 986 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 5: a politicians say, that's Treasury that are telling us that 987 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 5: is what is coming. 988 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: I really hope. So look, we are going to have 989 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: to take a quick break. You're listening to Mix one 990 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: O four nine's three sixty. We are coming to live 991 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: today from Darwin masdak. Well, if you've just joined us, 992 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,879 Speaker 1: you've missed out on a cracking hour of the week 993 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: that was out here at Darwin MASDA. 994 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 2: With me this morning. Murray Claire Boothby from the CELP, 995 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. 996 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 7: Thank you, and I just want to say good luck 997 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 7: to all of the nominees at the GTNT Training Awards 998 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 7: that are on tonight. 999 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 2: Awesome. 1000 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 7: Thank you to all those trainees plus their employers who 1001 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 7: obviously take them under their wing and teach them everything 1002 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:56,320 Speaker 7: they know. 1003 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, wonderful stuff. Brent Potter from the Labour Party, good 1004 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 2: to have you in this not in the studio, out 1005 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 2: on the road. 1006 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 3: Two times in a week, so thanks Katie. 1007 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,760 Speaker 1: Thank you Toomas Morgan from the A b C. Lovely 1008 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: to have you on the show this morning, mate, Thank you, 1009 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: Thanks Katie, and anyone running in the city to surf 1010 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: on Sunday, any of. 1011 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 3: You getting roped in to run. 1012 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: I heard this, I'll be there, I'll be ready to MC. 1013 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: I'll be giving the legs a rest. But wonderful to 1014 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: have you on with us this morning. Thank you so 1015 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: much for your time.