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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast. It's the podcast for.

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Speaker 2: The time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 1: Now, goody, this stops. Justin Colson, welcome to the Happy

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Speaker 1: Families Podcast. Thank you so much for choosing to listen

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Speaker 1: to us and making this one of the most popular

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Speaker 1: parenting podcasts on the planet. We have another listener question

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Speaker 1: to talk about, and it starts so nicely. Hi, doctor,

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Speaker 1: Justin and Kylie. So I'd like to start by saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm fully committed to totally binging your podcast at the moment,

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Speaker 1: went all the way back to episode one and have

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Speaker 1: been listening to it all from the beginning. I'm obsessed. Kylie,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we actually need to even answered

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Speaker 1: this question. Surely after listening to something like seven hundred episodes,

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Speaker 1: if you're not a parenting expert by now, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if.

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Speaker 2: She's gone back to number one. She hasn't even got

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Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 1: She has heard the expert. Hey, it'd be really interesting

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Speaker 1: to go back to those early podcasts of yours when

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Speaker 1: you're just beginning. We should do that and do a replay.

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Speaker 1: Compare then and now it's been three years.

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Speaker 2: That's scary.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on with the requests from our from Pauline,

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Speaker 1: who says, listening to your podcast, I have been more

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Speaker 1: intentional with my family and couldn't help. But notice we

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Speaker 1: have unknowingly caused our four year old son to stress.

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Speaker 1: We have had a few issues in the past with

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Speaker 1: emotional regulation, but it has been brought back to our

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Speaker 1: attention by his preschool. He rushes through coloring in and

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Speaker 1: tracing tasks. He's on edge and often ends up being

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Speaker 1: physical with other kids. As I'm reflecting on our parenting

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Speaker 1: with my son leaving the preschool, after a little chat

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Speaker 1: with a teacher at pickup, I'll often say to him,

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Speaker 1: in that instant I realized what I'd done. I've instilled

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Speaker 1: Everything was a competition, rushed or on a time limit.

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Speaker 1: We had used races and time limits to get him

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Speaker 1: through tasks for as long as we can remember. Let's

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Speaker 1: we can do it faster than yesterday. Are just a

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Speaker 1: without realizing how this could potentially impact him. We would

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Speaker 1: learning difficulties. We do, however, notice tasks and competitive play

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Speaker 1: often takes it too far. Pauline finally says, we have

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Speaker 1: What I would love to know is have we created

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, much of pauline As email is about

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Speaker 1: And to use his body way too much in unhelpful ways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've actually got a perfect confluence of factors

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Speaker 2: It doesn't always have to be competitive, and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: on purpose. Yes, and they're doing it. So this idea

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Speaker 2: along with us is actually not true. We can do this.

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Speaker 2: It's all about prioritizing and working out what is important

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is actually a conversation that you

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Speaker 1: Sometimes when we just explain the why, our children will

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Speaker 1: go home so that we can whatever. When they're giving

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Speaker 1: you the reasons, they're much more likely to be compliant,

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Speaker 1: So I would focus on rationales and especially helping your

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Speaker 2: One last point from me in relation to helping us

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Speaker 2: to slow things down, routine is so important. If we

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Speaker 2: that routine and structure. So, if we know that the

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Speaker 2: half an hour, what is an activity that we could

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Speaker 2: do that transitions them from I guess, the dinner table

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Speaker 2: in this instance, it might be we're going to go

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Speaker 2: brush our teeth and then we're going to read a story.

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Speaker 2: We're going to calm everything down. Storytime becomes the transition

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Speaker 2: every scenario, and if your child is used to the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, The transition is so vital to making this work,

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Speaker 1: and that kind of plays in with the rationale idea.

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Speaker 1: wriggle room or did you say wiggle room? Because when

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Speaker 1: you said it, I wondered if we're talking like, is

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Speaker 1: there a difference between wriggle room and wiggle room?

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Speaker 2: Are you giving me a hard time?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't even know what I said.

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Speaker 1: Well you said wiggle or wriggle. I can't remember what

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Speaker 2: If we have routine, then we actually have the capacity

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Speaker 2: to see where there's wriggle room to slow things down.

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Speaker 1: Regardless, as you were talking about transitions, it made me

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Speaker 1: think is there a difference between wriggling and wiggling? And

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Speaker 1: so I googled it. When you wriggle, your twist turnal

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Speaker 1: bend as you move. When you wiggle, you make more

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Speaker 1: last point. I'm so sorry, Pauline, I just I just

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Speaker 1: had to ask it. I mean, my brain goes to

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Speaker 1: these places. I want to emphasize that it's okay to

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Speaker 2: It's just not every time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just about making sure that this is not

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Speaker 1: a recurring pattern.

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Speaker 2: There is a time to do things fast. There is

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Speaker 2: a time to kind of, you know, get out the

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Speaker 2: door quickly, but we need to save that tactic for

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Speaker 2: those times when it's needed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and minimizing it is definitely going to be advantageous

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Speaker 1: is essentially the main point that I wanted to make.

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Speaker 1: Just keep doing what you're doing, though, slow things down,

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Speaker 1: those breathing techniques, the squeezing the pillows, the activities that

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Speaker 1: allowing kim me your dinner like a sloth, allowing him

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Speaker 1: to stop and smell the flowers. Literally, those kinds of

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Speaker 1: remember it's taken a couple of years for this pattern

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Speaker 1: to be created, so you're not going to undo a

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