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Speaker 1: as I possibly can. On today's podcast, I have this
Speaker 1: week's booted cast away from Australian Survivor Heroes Versus Villains
Speaker 1: and what a shock it's been for Haley Stands as
Speaker 1: we saw our winner from Brains versus braun Get the Chop.
Speaker 3: We only have four.
Speaker 1: Episodes left and who better to unpack the competition with
Speaker 1: than one of my favorite players and one of my
Speaker 1: favorite winners from the Survivor universe. Hailey had to bring
Speaker 1: so much to the game and we will discuss if
Speaker 1: returning to the game was always an option. Hailey will
Speaker 1: also discuss her friendship with George and if it is
Speaker 1: only for the camera. We will also talk surprising results
Speaker 1: and who she is the most shocked.
Speaker 3: To see still in the game. Plus, we will.
Speaker 1: Get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes of the
Speaker 1: seventh week of Australian Survivor, which you can catch up
Speaker 1: on now on ten Playing.
Speaker 3: Anyway, let's bring Haley into the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of obsessed with her, so hopefully I don't
Speaker 1: fan girl too much, and I really do hope you
Speaker 1: enjoy this episode.
Speaker 3: Hi, Haley, how are you?
Speaker 4: I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to having this chat. I think never
Speaker 1: really in a franchise do we get to see three
Speaker 1: people that made it to the end come back and
Speaker 1: relive that whole exp again, but then start at the
Speaker 1: bottom and try and make their way to the top again.
Speaker 3: How are you feeling about that whole experience?
Speaker 2: I am. I feel awesome about the experience, Like I
Speaker 2: never imagined that me, George and Flick and Simon, all
Speaker 2: four of the players from our last season would get
Speaker 2: to merge, Like there is a bonding that happens when
Speaker 2: you play together, and on top of that, we're friends.
Speaker 2: So it just really was quite an advantage for all
Speaker 2: of us to.
Speaker 4: Be merged together.
Speaker 1: Would you have been disappointed if Flick and George had
Speaker 1: been allowed to go back and that you had to
Speaker 1: stay at home?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't have to question if I wanted to come back, though,
Speaker 2: because I knew that I would.
Speaker 4: Be an.
Speaker 2: Let's just have a big target on my back, because
Speaker 2: I would be a winner, and so I really had
Speaker 2: to be willing to go back, knowing that my chances
Speaker 2: of winning weren't very high. But I knew that, yeah
Speaker 2: I would. I couldn't watch them play and not being there,
Speaker 2: I would be super jealous.
Speaker 1: Lived my nightmare forming because they did a All Stars
Speaker 1: like a redone version of Big Brother, and they took
Speaker 1: back the second and the third player, but I was
Speaker 1: the winner and I got left at home, And yeah,
Speaker 1: it took me a full week to pull my life
Speaker 1: together because I felt, so it was in my bones
Speaker 1: the disappointment. However, I watched the show and loved it,
Speaker 1: Like I had the time and the space for the
Speaker 1: show to be made and then to be promoted, and
Speaker 1: then I was able to grow up and.
Speaker 2: To be fair, Like, it was hard for me to
Speaker 2: have a lot of fun in this season because there
Speaker 2: was a lot of pressure as the winner, for people
Speaker 2: to kept saying like you're meant to make moves, you
Speaker 2: meant to something about, like you meant to hold onto
Speaker 2: your legacy like I have that legacy is going anywhere
Speaker 2: like one that's happened, Like this is.
Speaker 4: A brand new experience.
Speaker 2: So I had no fears about that, but like there
Speaker 2: was a lot of pressure and the pressure I put
Speaker 2: on myself to live up to expectation. And I don't
Speaker 2: think anyone else has that on them, So yeah, I
Speaker 2: found that quite challenging.
Speaker 4: So maybe that was nice.
Speaker 1: For you, not and that pressure, Sure it was only
Speaker 1: for me from home, Like I had that pressure on
Speaker 1: you myself as a viewer and as a fan and
Speaker 1: with my own ties to you know, reality television being
Speaker 1: a winner and not being able to come back and
Speaker 1: what would it have looked like and I want to
Speaker 1: say to you, I feel so proud of you, and
Speaker 1: I felt so entertained by you, and I think if
Speaker 1: anyone was to come back and do it and manage
Speaker 1: to get as far as you did, it's really only
Speaker 1: you and the skill set that you have to this game.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's like a single tear rolling in
Speaker 4: my eye. That's so nice. That's so nice, because I
Speaker 4: did feel that quite strongly, like I didn't want to
Speaker 4: let anyone down who had been so supportive to me
Speaker 4: the first time.
Speaker 2: And what I love about Survivor is the game play,
Speaker 2: Like I love the moves, and so it was kind
Speaker 2: of hard for me not to be out in the
Speaker 2: front making moves. But I really wanted to win, like
Speaker 2: I was playing for the win at the end, not
Speaker 2: just to get far.
Speaker 4: I felt like I could make big.
Speaker 2: Moves and get far, but i'd get voted out. Was
Speaker 2: trying to be subtle about it so that I could
Speaker 2: actually take the crown at the end, and I was
Speaker 2: trying to get there with someone I thought I could
Speaker 2: win against. The thing that was the most challenging was
Speaker 2: that you start getting in your head about who you
Speaker 2: think you can be, and a lot of talk on
Speaker 2: the beach is that you're a winner, so you can't
Speaker 2: win against other people because we want to give them
Speaker 2: a chance. You have to be against someone that no
Speaker 2: one lacks for you to win. So I started getting
Speaker 2: in my head that it wouldn't be enough for me
Speaker 2: just to get there. I was going to have to
Speaker 2: do some big moves to get there. And I think
Speaker 2: that was my downfall because I got a bit too
Speaker 2: crafty in trying to do things when maybe I should
Speaker 2: have just let myself coast a bit more to get there.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I think that's always an
Speaker 1: interesting way when you're looking back in the real world,
Speaker 1: not just on a reality show. When you look back
Speaker 1: in the real world and you see all the things
Speaker 1: that you could have done, they could haunt you. But
Speaker 1: at the same time you could be right. You could
Speaker 1: have been right, you could have made it to the final,
Speaker 1: and then you'd have made no big moves to get there.
Speaker 1: And I guess that's a really good question for you.
Speaker 1: And this is on behalf of other players this series.
Speaker 1: Is it worth just getting there to the end when
Speaker 1: you haven't done anything.
Speaker 2: That's based on your own value structure about what you
Speaker 2: think because there are players who have play this game
Speaker 2: and one that way. It does work sometimes, but it
Speaker 2: depends who else is there, It depends on the value
Speaker 2: structure of the jury, and it depends on what you want.
Speaker 4: Like I just am not the kind of player that
Speaker 4: would ever be okay with that.
Speaker 2: Just for me, it's like a worse outcome is to
Speaker 2: sit at the end and come second than to have
Speaker 2: gone out three or four moves before trying to orchestraight
Speaker 2: away for you to win, like I think I'd rather
Speaker 2: like I just I see one winner and twenty three losers,
Speaker 2: So I don't really care where I'm going out. I
Speaker 2: just want to make myself it's possible to win. So
Speaker 2: there's no way I'll let myself get to the end
Speaker 2: when I think it's unlikely that I will win it.
Speaker 2: So that's why I was so gung ho getting George
Speaker 2: out because no one else was doing it there enabling
Speaker 2: him to go far. And I just could see the
Speaker 2: power he had on like Jerry and Matt and all
Speaker 2: these other people, and they weren't ever.
Speaker 4: Going to flip.
Speaker 2: And there were only these few moments where you might
Speaker 2: have enough of it split in the vote to do
Speaker 2: something because I did not want to sit next to
Speaker 2: Georgia come second, but unfortunately because a good friend of mine.
Speaker 4: But I'm just going to play my best game to win.
Speaker 1: I was really looking forward to a Queen Versus King finale,
Speaker 1: but I feel like we actually got that show down
Speaker 1: last night, and so that was one of the things
Speaker 1: I was worried about, was, Oh, if it doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: we're not going to get this big moment. And you know,
Speaker 1: hands off to the editors because I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's how it actually went down, but it really was
Speaker 1: everything that everyone wanted with a King versus Queen drama.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good, good, and I'm happy for that.
Speaker 2: I think the editors are doing incredible job this season,
Speaker 2: and you know that is true to what was happening
Speaker 2: from what I understand.
Speaker 4: You know, Nina was a big part of it.
Speaker 2: She had a lot to play, but George does orchestrate
Speaker 2: all of these moves and tell everyone what to do
Speaker 2: and how to play their part.
Speaker 4: And everyone goes along with it. So it's great and
Speaker 4: it's amazing TV.
Speaker 2: I think we're also lucky to have George out there
Speaker 2: doing this because it's so fun to watch. I just
Speaker 2: want people to you know, play their own game as well,
Speaker 2: because as a jury member, now I'm going to be
Speaker 2: voting for who I think is the best game player,
Speaker 2: and you know, right now, George is.
Speaker 4: The best game player.
Speaker 3: And it's those eyes.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I've been calling him like the Jungle Book snake because
Speaker 1: although the Jungle Book Snake's eyes actually move, where George
Speaker 1: just stares at you with the devil's eyes. But there
Speaker 1: it must be like a very charismatic, convincing quality to
Speaker 1: who he is as a person, because as a viewer
Speaker 1: it comes off quite villainous.
Speaker 4: That's true, And I.
Speaker 2: Think another mistake I had in this game was that
Speaker 2: I was trying to predict what the jury was thinking
Speaker 2: and feeling. And I have a different value structure to
Speaker 2: some of them because I can I get George. I
Speaker 2: know him so well, like I know that even though
Speaker 2: he's a villainous and he says kind of nasty things,
Speaker 2: like I just know where they're coming from from him.
Speaker 4: But not everyone will feel that way.
Speaker 2: And I assumed that his game play would be enough
Speaker 2: to win, and maybe it will be, but certainly when
Speaker 2: I got to the jury, and it's in the Juruvula
Speaker 2: episode that just came out.
Speaker 4: I just thought the jury would all be on Tim George,
Speaker 4: and they're on Tim Simon. I was like, what, Like
Speaker 4: I was trying to drag Simon to the end because
Speaker 4: I thought I would beat him.
Speaker 2: But I'd never sat on a jury before, so I
Speaker 2: didn't really know the mentality of a jury.
Speaker 4: And you know, when people talk about it, you know
Speaker 4: a bit of jury. What that means. I think what
Speaker 4: that means is that the jury value how kind you
Speaker 4: are and how nice.
Speaker 2: To add to other people, because if you can get
Speaker 2: to the end, you're proven good enough to get to
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 4: It's the kind of it might come down to, like, hell,
Speaker 4: well you treat people?
Speaker 1: Did you forget that that's what happened when you won?
Speaker 1: Did you not go back and watch those Jury Villa
Speaker 1: episodes that were available online? And for people out there
Speaker 1: who are not watching those, you are a loser because
Speaker 1: there is some amazing quality and content in those videos
Speaker 1: that reveal things. And yes, I think you must have
Speaker 1: forgotten that a large part of who you were in
Speaker 1: that season that you won. There's something very kind about you, Hailey.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is, even when you did
Speaker 1: dodgy things there's still something very there's still something kind
Speaker 1: about you.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think part of my problem was that I became
Speaker 2: such good friends with George that I no longer could
Speaker 2: see that evil side to him.
Speaker 3: Blindsided yourself, I did, like.
Speaker 4: My biggest downfall is two friends friends of the George.
Speaker 4: So I think that I did miss it.
Speaker 2: And when I saw him playing, I didn't think he
Speaker 2: was playing as Paula's and he was his social games
Speaker 2: better for sure, but it wasn't very good last time.
Speaker 4: So I think that that it's just challenging. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't see it, and I got caught up in
Speaker 2: people telling me that, like, as a winner, you assume
Speaker 2: that if you can just get to the end, that
Speaker 2: would be enough, and you can say I was against
Speaker 2: all lords and I got to the end, and I'm
Speaker 2: a winner. But I don't know if there's like a
Speaker 2: whole probably thing in Australia. But I was getting told
Speaker 2: even once I got to the jury Villa, I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: but what if I got there against like you know,
Speaker 2: Matt and like miner of us have made lots of
Speaker 2: moves like what would happen? And they're like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: Matt hasn't won before, so we'd got to give it
Speaker 2: to him. You've won before, So it's like, so I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I felt like I couldn't just get there and have
Speaker 2: done nothing because I've won before and they don't really
Speaker 2: want to give them to me, they want to give
Speaker 2: it to someone new.
Speaker 4: I have to be better somehow. I have to have
Speaker 4: done more, not just like a lot of work.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe we could have had Hero's Most Villains like
Speaker 2: we had in America, and I could have got there
Speaker 2: with George and he could have been Russell Hans, and maybe.
Speaker 4: I could have won, like Sandra.
Speaker 1: Anything can happen. But you do have to remember that
Speaker 1: we are in Australia and there is that conversation. For
Speaker 1: twenty years of reality television, the tall poppy syndrome does exist.
Speaker 1: And if you go back and look at winners of
Speaker 1: a lot of shows, they're never the ones that are
Speaker 1: successful after the show. It's usually the person who came
Speaker 1: second or third or for regularly one hundredth But you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like there is that sort of
Speaker 1: thing where Australia does feel like they've given you something
Speaker 1: and that that it's enough, you know, and when they
Speaker 1: see a little head pop up again.
Speaker 3: They're like, no, bitch, we have already given you something.
Speaker 2: Totally and like even in America, like the only time
Speaker 2: a winner has won twice. Beside that, I feel you, Sandra, like,
Speaker 2: but she had seven years between playing, and everyone kind
Speaker 2: of forgot about her, like I played a year ago,
Speaker 2: Like there wasn't enough of a gap for people to
Speaker 2: kind of like forget about me.
Speaker 1: And let you just coast through time can be really good.
Speaker 1: You know, I have to ask about your relationship with
Speaker 1: George since both experiences, because George obviously, you know, lost
Speaker 1: to you last time, and then he has beaten Nute
Speaker 1: this time round, and then how has those experiences affected
Speaker 1: the relationship post game?
Speaker 2: Oh, I would say not all, Like we both understand
Speaker 2: and love this game and went into it knowing we'd
Speaker 2: both be there.
Speaker 4: If you could work together, great, If.
Speaker 2: We needed to work against each other, fine, you do
Speaker 2: what you have to do to get as far as
Speaker 2: you can. I think at the stage we both aren't
Speaker 2: very proud, Like I'm stoked how far I got. I'm
Speaker 2: really proud of myself and George in it, and there's
Speaker 2: six people left, Like I know he's very happy without
Speaker 2: his Gorman and he's still in So no, we're great.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm getting married in three weeks and he's going
Speaker 4: to be there, so it's fine, we're good friends.
Speaker 1: I'm getting married in three weeks and George is the
Speaker 1: best man, and I'm like, that's a that's a rom
Speaker 1: com right there. You know, I have a crazy theory
Speaker 1: that I've been able to basically apply to these chats
Speaker 1: throughout these exit interviews this year. And my crazy theory
Speaker 1: for you was, did you kind of subconsciously step out
Speaker 1: of the way of George to allow yourself to be
Speaker 1: eliminated because you didn't want George's wrath.
Speaker 4: I don't think they stepped out of his way. I
Speaker 4: think that he just outplayed me.
Speaker 2: Like him and Nina and Liz really convinced me that
Speaker 2: they were not getting on and that they believed it
Speaker 2: was Nina the word for Sean, like I just bought
Speaker 2: it fully cook.
Speaker 4: Line and sinker because they were It wasn't just what
Speaker 4: we see like in camp.
Speaker 2: It was like when we're walking back from challenges, it's
Speaker 2: like every moment they're acting out this thing.
Speaker 3: And yeah, just.
Speaker 1: And then the reaction from so not from Simon, from Sean.
Speaker 1: You know, I was a little bit nervous because it
Speaker 1: was very clear to me that Sean really wanted this
Speaker 1: and you were responsible for that. So, I mean, I've
Speaker 1: interviewed Sean and I think he's a lovely person, so
Speaker 1: I'm sure he just was really lovely about it. But
Speaker 1: were you anxious to be reunited with him? And then
Speaker 1: what was that interaction?
Speaker 2: Like I was anxious to be renow with Sean because
Speaker 2: he is a lovely person and the idea of like
Speaker 2: stepping in the way of someone's dream sucks. But I
Speaker 2: just always hold the mentality that everyone aims to win,
Speaker 2: and so everyone plans to vote you out at some point.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a compliment to be like I'm
Speaker 2: going to take you to the end of BEU. It's
Speaker 2: like that's not better better, Like if you're going to
Speaker 2: wrote me out second or fifth or twelfth, like he's
Speaker 2: still going to rote me out. So I never feel
Speaker 2: guilty voting someone out because we're.
Speaker 4: All trying to do it to each other.
Speaker 3: What did he say to you though, Like when you
Speaker 3: face to face, he was just confused.
Speaker 4: About why it was.
Speaker 2: I wanted to keep Simon, and for me, it was
Speaker 2: like a few things like Sean had been telling me
Speaker 2: since the start, Haley or my shield, and I'm like, kill,
Speaker 2: that's like a compliment, but like that means that you
Speaker 2: want to keep me till a point and then cut me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, where like any people that you're going to
Speaker 4: be doing that very soon? So I didn't feel comfortable
Speaker 4: that Sean would keep me for very long.
Speaker 2: And I'm like an endurance challenge winner and he's not,
Speaker 2: So where the pide be again, He's gonna want to
Speaker 2: get rid of me.
Speaker 4: Also, Sean could.
Speaker 2: Win, Like the fact that he could win means I
Speaker 2: don't want him there. Like, he has lots of friends
Speaker 2: on that jury, and he's played really well. He held
Speaker 2: that Artol for ages.
Speaker 3: Here's the marks the market.
Speaker 2: He's also Mark's best friend, however, so like they he's
Speaker 2: been trained about how to play.
Speaker 3: Oh good lord.
Speaker 1: And then also you can't really get too upset about
Speaker 1: he can't get upset about that shield thing, because you know,
Speaker 1: it felt like he used the meat tray as a shield.
Speaker 1: He used lots of things that I think he was
Speaker 1: handing out that shield title to way too many people.
Speaker 4: You know, and like, yeah, good for you. He was
Speaker 4: playing the best game he could, like he was doing
Speaker 4: all the things he should have.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would have rather take my chances at
Speaker 2: the end next to Simon than I would next to Sean.
Speaker 2: Sewan would be a suing to win. And one of
Speaker 2: the things he did wrong though Sean was that he
Speaker 2: was on the bottom. He wasn't feeling good. He wouldn't
Speaker 2: have this long conversation with George and then he came
Speaker 2: back and said, how are you. I feel great. I
Speaker 2: think this is a really good chat with George and
Speaker 2: I feel really good now. And I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: Like that's bad. George's clearly made to deal with you.
Speaker 2: And when I thought about it, I'm like, George would
Speaker 2: go far with Sean because George to get to the end,
Speaker 2: George has two options.
Speaker 4: He has to win the Final Immunity Challenge or someone
Speaker 4: has to take him.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't have a good track record with final
Speaker 2: armuned challenges, so he has to be up against someone
Speaker 2: he can beat.
Speaker 4: I think he can beat Sean at the Final meant
Speaker 4: Big challenge.
Speaker 1: Unless you're the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz and
Speaker 1: you don't have a brain, you just wouldn't take George
Speaker 1: to the final three. I mean, it would just be
Speaker 1: It's like saying, George, I really would like you to
Speaker 1: have all of this money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like Haley, why didn't you go with George
Speaker 2: to the end. And I'm like, for the same reason,
Speaker 2: no one else should go George to the end. It's like,
Speaker 2: okay to say that about someone else that.
Speaker 4: If dig George.
Speaker 1: Though I can't work out who is the biggest surprise though,
Speaker 1: Like you know, as I was putting myself into bed
Speaker 1: last night and Hailey's been eliminated and I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: Simon and George still in there, I was like, how
Speaker 1: is this happening?
Speaker 3: Like but for you, but for you, what is the
Speaker 3: biggest surprise? Is it George or is it Simon?
Speaker 4: Sama has been the gift? A gift honestly, he is
Speaker 4: a gift for all of us.
Speaker 2: He's been. He's a big surprise in some ways. I
Speaker 2: already know Simon George, so they're plaining how I kind
Speaker 2: of thought they would. But but Simon his like endless
Speaker 2: enthusiasm in the face of like constant defeat.
Speaker 4: It's just fun.
Speaker 2: It was, and it was fun to be with him,
Speaker 2: Like while he's making up all these plans which just
Speaker 2: like won't work and never.
Speaker 1: Work, and people want him to win though, Like if
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've been reading the blogs, but
Speaker 1: like you know, it happens in shows this all the time.
Speaker 3: No one wants someone to win.
Speaker 1: They think that they're silly, they think that they're a villain,
Speaker 1: or they think blah blah blah. But it happens nearly
Speaker 1: every show, Like someone likes Simon that all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you see it differently. And I think that I
Speaker 1: might be, you know, just talking about the vox pop
Speaker 1: of my community and what I've seen online. But I
Speaker 1: would say about seventy to eighty percent of people at
Speaker 1: this point want Simon to win because there's a small
Speaker 1: part of all of us has been the underdog. There's
Speaker 1: a small part of us all that we all think
Speaker 1: we're stupid and make silly mistakes, but we all would
Speaker 1: still love to be the person who comes out from
Speaker 1: underneath that and wins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I think it's a really positive, amazing
Speaker 2: thing to see someone who is so defeated every time
Speaker 2: doesn't just like roll over. He just thinks, oh what
Speaker 2: about it if I from out the riots and maybe
Speaker 2: I'll just get really strong and they'll get weak.
Speaker 4: He just keeps trying. It's so good, Like, I love it.
Speaker 1: You're such a memorable player as well, and like you know,
Speaker 1: you're so iconic in so many ways. I can imagine
Speaker 1: that you know coming back to the series that you
Speaker 1: would be more accessible to the fan watching the show
Speaker 1: with people coming up and asking you questions off the street.
Speaker 1: What was the most common question that fans of Survival
Speaker 1: were coming up and asking you about.
Speaker 2: It's always about George. They're always like, do you really
Speaker 2: like George? Are you friends with George? Is George mean?
Speaker 4: Unless they're like twelve and they see me and they're like,
Speaker 4: why aren't you in Samola right now?
Speaker 1: I love those two differences. Was it exciting to get
Speaker 1: eliminated and then look as happy? Because I thought you
Speaker 1: looked so happy. I felt like the mission was complete.
Speaker 1: You got the full survivor experience finally. Because everyone else
Speaker 1: that snuffs their torch you can see a small glint
Speaker 1: in their eye that they're about to turn around and
Speaker 1: go you're all fucked and like lose their mind. But
Speaker 1: for you, you literally snuffed your torch and went soil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I wanted to win. I was playing to
Speaker 2: win everything I could. I was really struggling to see
Speaker 2: a path where I could win, like if I keep Georgie,
Speaker 2: and I'm too scared that I'll get to the end
Speaker 2: with him because no one is, Like I'd had long
Speaker 2: conversations with people like Jerry, and Jerry's like I will
Speaker 2: never write George's name down.
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, at some point, You've got to do that.
Speaker 2: And I was really worried that, like Georgia done such
Speaker 2: a fabulous Joe brainwashing everyone, but they wouldn't write his
Speaker 2: name down, And so I was really struggling to see
Speaker 2: like an end for me that was going to be positive.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well yeah, like I'm happy to like I'm
Speaker 2: stoked to get to the jury, Like I've now had
Speaker 2: the full experience, Like I'm one one Challenges, I've been
Speaker 2: voted out and done redemption and now I've done the jury,
Speaker 2: so there's like nothing left in this game that I
Speaker 2: haven't experienced. And to get to the jury where I
Speaker 2: did is really nice as well, because there's already people there,
Speaker 2: but I still have like a bit more time. So
Speaker 2: if you know you want you want to spend a
Speaker 2: bit of time on the resort, like eating two breakfasts
Speaker 2: and lunches every day.
Speaker 3: I like to call it the draam result. You've got
Speaker 3: the dream result.
Speaker 4: It's so good.
Speaker 1: I have so many questions to ask you, and I
Speaker 1: just I'm not going to be home tonight, so I've
Speaker 1: got to take the show and I've got to tape
Speaker 1: you on the project even though I'm interviewing you now,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't miss Haley on the project tonight.
Speaker 1: It just goes to prove my fandom and how crazy
Speaker 1: I am. Who did you think was going to win?
Speaker 1: When you walked out of there?
Speaker 2: When I walked out of there, I thought Matt, and
Speaker 2: I think I say this Madriu Dilla. I thought Matt
Speaker 2: would be playing this game where he's kind of using
Speaker 2: George as a bit of a shield to take some heat,
Speaker 2: and I'd had some really good conversations with him that
Speaker 2: made me think he's kluey and he is going to
Speaker 2: play and he's just biting his time.
Speaker 4: So that was where my mind was at this stage.
Speaker 1: If Matt steps up and does something at this point,
Speaker 1: then yeah, I think that people will see his game
Speaker 1: play quite differently. But it's really hard when you haven't
Speaker 1: seen the full thing play out, because you don't know
Speaker 1: whether or not he has just coaxed his way there
Speaker 1: or sat too far back.
Speaker 3: You don't know any of that.
Speaker 1: But if he all of a sudden shows some really
Speaker 1: cool survivor elimination tactics, you know people are going to
Speaker 1: celebrate him. So you know there is a real I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know about the same Jerry. Maybe that could
Speaker 1: be the same for Jerry, if Jerry all of a
Speaker 1: sudden got up and did some more moves.
Speaker 2: But I think it's a social game, and like you
Speaker 2: don't see everything, but a bit of few missteps socially
Speaker 2: from Jerry in the camp that I think not everyone
Speaker 2: is into. But Matt's a really lovely guy, so just
Speaker 2: had a baby, hit baby of the way, and so
Speaker 2: there's if he can step up the moves and get
Speaker 2: rid of all of the other threads, then I thought
Speaker 2: he had the social acumen to.
Speaker 4: Be able to take it out.
Speaker 1: I've been asking everyone because I can't ask her behind
Speaker 1: the scenes secret so I've been asking people these two questions.
Speaker 1: That's one of them, and who did you think you
Speaker 1: know it was possibly going to win? The other one
Speaker 1: was would you ever return? And then I kind of
Speaker 1: we're running out of time, So like I kind of
Speaker 1: think for you, A really fun question which I think
Speaker 1: fans would want to know the answer to, is if
Speaker 1: they did a Global Survivor and they brought you.
Speaker 3: Back, would you do it?
Speaker 1: And then can you give me two names that of
Speaker 1: people that you think have to come back direct in Australia,
Speaker 1: George has to come back and Flick. Okay, so three
Speaker 1: of you are back again, all my friends.
Speaker 2: I personally I don't know if she'd play again, but
Speaker 2: I w was s here playing again. I'm a big
Speaker 2: fan of Peer. I was really trying to channel her
Speaker 2: this season because she did at the Underrada really well
Speaker 2: and I just love.
Speaker 4: To see how she would go into Her win has been.
Speaker 2: A while back now and I don't think it was
Speaker 2: as celebrated as the big move player wins, so I
Speaker 2: think because of that she would have.
Speaker 4: Some like some rope to play with.
Speaker 1: I spoke to her recently and I asked her and
Speaker 1: she said, I will never go back. And she said
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back because she's like, I'll
Speaker 1: never win again. She's like, you know my game, you know,
Speaker 1: play was worked out really well, but now people know
Speaker 1: what her tactic was, it would never work again.
Speaker 3: And she loves it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like then she's not someone who went I did survive
Speaker 1: her and now I'm an actress and you know where's
Speaker 1: looking for Aller Brandy too. You know, she really does
Speaker 1: love the survivor experience and she loves American survivor.
Speaker 4: So if there was a mixed ye well thing, I
Speaker 4: think she'd do it.
Speaker 1: Okay, between you and I will get her to do it.
Speaker 1: I just hope it happens, and I hope it happens soon,
Speaker 1: Like I just just come on, so find.
Speaker 4: A way I don't want it.
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 4: I think that would be almost yes.
Speaker 2: I remember hearing David Janet say this, he would only
Speaker 2: come back for a like a survivor wors Australia's us,
Speaker 2: and like that would be the kind of thing where
Speaker 2: if I were.
Speaker 4: The call for that, how do you say no to it?
Speaker 3: Like you never would, you never would, you couldn't.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like, just don't call me soon.
Speaker 2: I don't want to call like I want kids, Like
Speaker 2: I'm busy, leave me alone. Call me in the ages
Speaker 2: years years away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, great, I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really care about your real feelings
Speaker 1: in the sense that you need time to recover.
Speaker 3: I'm like, go you you know, pourn into the War,
Speaker 3: know that.
Speaker 2: Song because I've played eighty seven days now and I
Speaker 2: know this place played more. But like the American season
Speaker 2: now is twenty six days, so that's over three seasons,
Speaker 2: more than three of those seasons.
Speaker 4: Like that's that's like, no, that's a lot.
Speaker 3: My body hates me ever again every again.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I just want to say thank you so
Speaker 1: much for your generosity chatting with me today.
Speaker 3: I have been so looking forward to this.
Speaker 1: I hope that there's been some some fun tea spilt
Speaker 1: in this chat without me sort of fanning all over you.
Speaker 1: I hope.
Speaker 3: I hope people have enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much. It's like such a lovely
Speaker 4: compliment to have the day after you wrote it out.
Speaker 4: So thank you, sir.
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with you.