WEBVTT - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR EXIT INTERVIEWS: Week 7 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:03.640 TV Reload the podcast. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:04.040 Plant to deep their line. 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.320 Welcome back to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.119 and this is your podcast to get all the inside 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.080 goss on the popular TV shows you may be watching 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:16.400 from around the world. Undeniably, our TV sets are a 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.279 major part of our home entertainment and very little is 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.919 known about how our favorite TV shows get made. 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On today's podcast, I have this 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.120 week's booted cast away from Australian Survivor Heroes Versus Villains 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.800 and what a shock it's been for Haley Stands as 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.920 we saw our winner from Brains versus braun Get the Chop. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:00.680 We only have four. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.560 Episodes left and who better to unpack the competition with 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.720 than one of my favorite players and one of my 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.480 favorite winners from the Survivor universe. Hailey had to bring 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.280 so much to the game and we will discuss if 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.640 returning to the game was always an option. Hailey will 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.560 also discuss her friendship with George and if it is 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:22.240 only for the camera. We will also talk surprising results 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.440 and who she is the most shocked. 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.760 To see still in the game. Plus, we will. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.760 Get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes of the 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.000 seventh week of Australian Survivor, which you can catch up 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:34.280 on now on ten Playing. 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.360 Anyway, let's bring Haley into the podcast. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.319 I'm kind of obsessed with her, so hopefully I don't 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.959 fan girl too much, and I really do hope you 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:44.520 enjoy this episode. 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:46.360 Hi, Haley, how are you? 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:47.840 I'm good? How are you? 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.840 I'm really excited to having this chat. I think never 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.160 really in a franchise do we get to see three 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.480 people that made it to the end come back and 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.720 relive that whole exp again, but then start at the 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.400 bottom and try and make their way to the top again. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.920 How are you feeling about that whole experience? 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:11.359 I am. I feel awesome about the experience, Like I 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:16.160 never imagined that me, George and Flick and Simon, all 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.720 four of the players from our last season would get 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.000 to merge, Like there is a bonding that happens when 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.920 you play together, and on top of that, we're friends. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.760 So it just really was quite an advantage for all 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:28.200 of us to. 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:29.239 Be merged together. 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.880 Would you have been disappointed if Flick and George had 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.280 been allowed to go back and that you had to 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:35.960 stay at home? 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:37.040 Yeah? I think so. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:37.679 Yeah. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.160 I didn't have to question if I wanted to come back, though, 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.119 because I knew that I would. 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:44.760 Be an. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.080 Let's just have a big target on my back, because 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.400 I would be a winner, and so I really had 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.440 to be willing to go back, knowing that my chances 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.959 of winning weren't very high. But I knew that, yeah 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.120 I would. I couldn't watch them play and not being there, 0:02:58.160 --> 0:02:59.280 I would be super jealous. 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.320 Lived my nightmare forming because they did a All Stars 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.560 like a redone version of Big Brother, and they took 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.920 back the second and the third player, but I was 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.679 the winner and I got left at home, And yeah, 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.080 it took me a full week to pull my life 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.119 together because I felt, so it was in my bones 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:20.400 the disappointment. However, I watched the show and loved it, 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.560 Like I had the time and the space for the 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.800 show to be made and then to be promoted, and 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.200 then I was able to grow up and. 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.480 To be fair, Like, it was hard for me to 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.160 have a lot of fun in this season because there 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.880 was a lot of pressure as the winner, for people 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.080 to kept saying like you're meant to make moves, you 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.839 meant to something about, like you meant to hold onto 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.440 your legacy like I have that legacy is going anywhere 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.960 like one that's happened, Like this is. 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:46.160 A brand new experience. 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.120 So I had no fears about that, but like there 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.680 was a lot of pressure and the pressure I put 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.119 on myself to live up to expectation. And I don't 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.920 think anyone else has that on them, So yeah, I 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:57.920 found that quite challenging. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.040 So maybe that was nice. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.520 For you, not and that pressure, Sure it was only 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.400 for me from home, Like I had that pressure on 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.360 you myself as a viewer and as a fan and 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.480 with my own ties to you know, reality television being 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.480 a winner and not being able to come back and 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.480 what would it have looked like and I want to 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.720 say to you, I feel so proud of you, and 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.479 I felt so entertained by you, and I think if 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.479 anyone was to come back and do it and manage 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.359 to get as far as you did, it's really only 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.599 you and the skill set that you have to this game. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.080 Oh my god, it's like a single tear rolling in 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.800 my eye. That's so nice. That's so nice, because I 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.920 did feel that quite strongly, like I didn't want to 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.800 let anyone down who had been so supportive to me 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:40.480 the first time. 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.800 And what I love about Survivor is the game play, 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.880 Like I love the moves, and so it was kind 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.120 of hard for me not to be out in the 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:53.120 front making moves. But I really wanted to win, like 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.240 I was playing for the win at the end, not 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:56.039 just to get far. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:57.920 I felt like I could make big. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.359 Moves and get far, but i'd get voted out. Was 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.000 trying to be subtle about it so that I could 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.760 actually take the crown at the end, and I was 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.719 trying to get there with someone I thought I could 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.960 win against. The thing that was the most challenging was 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.599 that you start getting in your head about who you 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.080 think you can be, and a lot of talk on 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.479 the beach is that you're a winner, so you can't 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.280 win against other people because we want to give them 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.680 a chance. You have to be against someone that no 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.400 one lacks for you to win. So I started getting 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.640 in my head that it wouldn't be enough for me 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:30.720 just to get there. I was going to have to 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.160 do some big moves to get there. And I think 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.680 that was my downfall because I got a bit too 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:39.360 crafty in trying to do things when maybe I should 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:41.720 have just let myself coast a bit more to get there. 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.440 I think you're right, and I think that's always an 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.360 interesting way when you're looking back in the real world, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.280 not just on a reality show. When you look back 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:51.640 in the real world and you see all the things 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.920 that you could have done, they could haunt you. But 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.760 at the same time you could be right. You could 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.680 have been right, you could have made it to the final, 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.040 and then you'd have made no big moves to get there. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.240 And I guess that's a really good question for you. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.640 And this is on behalf of other players this series. 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.440 Is it worth just getting there to the end when 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:10.920 you haven't done anything. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.200 That's based on your own value structure about what you 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:15.760 think because there are players who have play this game 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.080 and one that way. It does work sometimes, but it 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.320 depends who else is there, It depends on the value 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.159 structure of the jury, and it depends on what you want. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:25.880 Like I just am not the kind of player that 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:27.000 would ever be okay with that. 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:31.240 Just for me, it's like a worse outcome is to 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.600 sit at the end and come second than to have 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.480 gone out three or four moves before trying to orchestraight 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.200 away for you to win, like I think I'd rather 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.840 like I just I see one winner and twenty three losers, 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.720 So I don't really care where I'm going out. I 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.320 just want to make myself it's possible to win. So 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.120 there's no way I'll let myself get to the end 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.040 when I think it's unlikely that I will win it. 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.200 So that's why I was so gung ho getting George 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.680 out because no one else was doing it there enabling 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.920 him to go far. And I just could see the 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.600 power he had on like Jerry and Matt and all 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.000 these other people, and they weren't ever. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:09.400 Going to flip. 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.680 And there were only these few moments where you might 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:13.760 have enough of it split in the vote to do 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.320 something because I did not want to sit next to 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.640 Georgia come second, but unfortunately because a good friend of mine. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.880 But I'm just going to play my best game to win. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:26.640 I was really looking forward to a Queen Versus King finale, 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.320 but I feel like we actually got that show down 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.520 last night, and so that was one of the things 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:33.760 I was worried about, was, Oh, if it doesn't happen, 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.120 we're not going to get this big moment. And you know, 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.360 hands off to the editors because I don't know if 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.160 that's how it actually went down, but it really was 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.520 everything that everyone wanted with a King versus Queen drama. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.840 Yeah, good, good, and I'm happy for that. 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.320 I think the editors are doing incredible job this season, 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.440 and you know that is true to what was happening 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:54.600 from what I understand. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:56.960 You know, Nina was a big part of it. 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.160 She had a lot to play, but George does orchestrate 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.920 all of these moves and tell everyone what to do 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:03.200 and how to play their part. 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.960 And everyone goes along with it. So it's great and 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:07.840 it's amazing TV. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.880 I think we're also lucky to have George out there 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.120 doing this because it's so fun to watch. I just 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.440 want people to you know, play their own game as well, 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.360 because as a jury member, now I'm going to be 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.720 voting for who I think is the best game player, 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:22.800 and you know, right now, George is. 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:24.320 The best game player. 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:25.240 And it's those eyes. 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:25.560 You know. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.120 I've been calling him like the Jungle Book snake because 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.560 although the Jungle Book Snake's eyes actually move, where George 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.840 just stares at you with the devil's eyes. But there 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:39.079 it must be like a very charismatic, convincing quality to 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.160 who he is as a person, because as a viewer 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:43.400 it comes off quite villainous. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:44.560 That's true, And I. 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:46.360 Think another mistake I had in this game was that 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.600 I was trying to predict what the jury was thinking 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.959 and feeling. And I have a different value structure to 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.559 some of them because I can I get George. I 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.120 know him so well, like I know that even though 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.560 he's a villainous and he says kind of nasty things, 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:01.880 like I just know where they're coming from from him. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:03.719 But not everyone will feel that way. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.040 And I assumed that his game play would be enough 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.120 to win, and maybe it will be, but certainly when 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.600 I got to the jury, and it's in the Juruvula 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:13.960 episode that just came out. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.400 I just thought the jury would all be on Tim George, 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.920 and they're on Tim Simon. I was like, what, Like 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.440 I was trying to drag Simon to the end because 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:24.320 I thought I would beat him. 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.319 But I'd never sat on a jury before, so I 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.480 didn't really know the mentality of a jury. 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.880 And you know, when people talk about it, you know 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.360 a bit of jury. What that means. I think what 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.679 that means is that the jury value how kind you 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.400 are and how nice. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.000 To add to other people, because if you can get 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.280 to the end, you're proven good enough to get to 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:44.640 the end. 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:46.760 It's the kind of it might come down to, like, hell, 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:47.560 well you treat people? 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.839 Did you forget that that's what happened when you won? 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.360 Did you not go back and watch those Jury Villa 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.559 episodes that were available online? And for people out there 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.600 who are not watching those, you are a loser because 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.760 there is some amazing quality and content in those videos 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.679 that reveal things. And yes, I think you must have 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.640 forgotten that a large part of who you were in 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.040 that season that you won. There's something very kind about you, Hailey. 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.240 I think that's what it is, even when you did 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.520 dodgy things there's still something very there's still something kind 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:17.839 about you. 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:18.280 I don't know. 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.240 I think part of my problem was that I became 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.480 such good friends with George that I no longer could 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.240 see that evil side to him. 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.360 Blindsided yourself, I did, like. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.520 My biggest downfall is two friends friends of the George. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.599 So I think that I did miss it. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.719 And when I saw him playing, I didn't think he 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.240 was playing as Paula's and he was his social games 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.040 better for sure, but it wasn't very good last time. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.400 So I think that that it's just challenging. I didn't. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.400 I didn't see it, and I got caught up in 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.160 people telling me that, like, as a winner, you assume 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:50.199 that if you can just get to the end, that 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:51.720 would be enough, and you can say I was against 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.000 all lords and I got to the end, and I'm 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.079 a winner. But I don't know if there's like a 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.480 whole probably thing in Australia. But I was getting told 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.560 even once I got to the jury Villa, I said, yeah, 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.520 but what if I got there against like you know, 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.679 Matt and like miner of us have made lots of 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.520 moves like what would happen? And they're like, yeah, but 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.000 Matt hasn't won before, so we'd got to give it 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.520 to him. You've won before, So it's like, so I couldn't. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.160 I felt like I couldn't just get there and have 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.560 done nothing because I've won before and they don't really 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:16.920 want to give them to me, they want to give 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:17.600 it to someone new. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.040 I have to be better somehow. I have to have 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.080 done more, not just like a lot of work. 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.040 Well, maybe we could have had Hero's Most Villains like 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.600 we had in America, and I could have got there 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.040 with George and he could have been Russell Hans, and maybe. 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:31.960 I could have won, like Sandra. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.760 Anything can happen. But you do have to remember that 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.559 we are in Australia and there is that conversation. For 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:43.480 twenty years of reality television, the tall poppy syndrome does exist. 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.679 And if you go back and look at winners of 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.280 a lot of shows, they're never the ones that are 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.800 successful after the show. It's usually the person who came 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.480 second or third or for regularly one hundredth But you 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.199 know what I mean, Like there is that sort of 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.320 thing where Australia does feel like they've given you something 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.280 and that that it's enough, you know, and when they 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:02.600 see a little head pop up again. 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.760 They're like, no, bitch, we have already given you something. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.120 Totally and like even in America, like the only time 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:13.520 a winner has won twice. Beside that, I feel you, Sandra, like, 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.960 but she had seven years between playing, and everyone kind 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.280 of forgot about her, like I played a year ago, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.640 Like there wasn't enough of a gap for people to 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:21.960 kind of like forget about me. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.120 And let you just coast through time can be really good. 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.640 You know, I have to ask about your relationship with 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:32.240 George since both experiences, because George obviously, you know, lost 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.760 to you last time, and then he has beaten Nute 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.240 this time round, and then how has those experiences affected 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:41.480 the relationship post game? 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.720 Oh, I would say not all, Like we both understand 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.959 and love this game and went into it knowing we'd 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:47.560 both be there. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.080 If you could work together, great, If. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.240 We needed to work against each other, fine, you do 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:52.560 what you have to do to get as far as 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.320 you can. I think at the stage we both aren't 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.200 very proud, Like I'm stoked how far I got. I'm 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.920 really proud of myself and George in it, and there's 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.360 six people left, Like I know he's very happy without 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:07.200 his Gorman and he's still in So no, we're great. 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.000 Like, I'm getting married in three weeks and he's going 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:10.920 to be there, so it's fine, we're good friends. 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:13.480 I'm getting married in three weeks and George is the 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.880 best man, and I'm like, that's a that's a rom 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:20.160 com right there. You know, I have a crazy theory 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.760 that I've been able to basically apply to these chats 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.360 throughout these exit interviews this year. And my crazy theory 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.960 for you was, did you kind of subconsciously step out 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.400 of the way of George to allow yourself to be 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.640 eliminated because you didn't want George's wrath. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.240 I don't think they stepped out of his way. I 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:38.839 think that he just outplayed me. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.439 Like him and Nina and Liz really convinced me that 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.520 they were not getting on and that they believed it 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.480 was Nina the word for Sean, like I just bought 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:50.600 it fully cook. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.520 Line and sinker because they were It wasn't just what 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:53.520 we see like in camp. 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.640 It was like when we're walking back from challenges, it's 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.560 like every moment they're acting out this thing. 0:13:58.679 --> 0:13:59.720 And yeah, just. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.160 And then the reaction from so not from Simon, from Sean. 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.319 You know, I was a little bit nervous because it 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.760 was very clear to me that Sean really wanted this 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.000 and you were responsible for that. So, I mean, I've 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.000 interviewed Sean and I think he's a lovely person, so 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.120 I'm sure he just was really lovely about it. But 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.720 were you anxious to be reunited with him? And then 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:22.880 what was that interaction? 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.560 Like I was anxious to be renow with Sean because 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.760 he is a lovely person and the idea of like 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.760 stepping in the way of someone's dream sucks. But I 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.520 just always hold the mentality that everyone aims to win, 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.600 and so everyone plans to vote you out at some point. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.160 I don't think it's a compliment to be like I'm 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:41.480 going to take you to the end of BEU. It's 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.320 like that's not better better, Like if you're going to 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.400 wrote me out second or fifth or twelfth, like he's 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.640 still going to rote me out. So I never feel 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.200 guilty voting someone out because we're. 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:50.960 All trying to do it to each other. 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.080 What did he say to you though, Like when you 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.920 face to face, he was just confused. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:56.600 About why it was. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.600 I wanted to keep Simon, and for me, it was 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.600 like a few things like Sean had been telling me 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.240 since the start, Haley or my shield, and I'm like, kill, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:08.960 that's like a compliment, but like that means that you 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.720 want to keep me till a point and then cut me. 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.280 I'm like, where like any people that you're going to 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.080 be doing that very soon? So I didn't feel comfortable 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:17.520 that Sean would keep me for very long. 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.720 And I'm like an endurance challenge winner and he's not, 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:23.520 So where the pide be again, He's gonna want to 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:23.960 get rid of me. 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:25.520 Also, Sean could. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.240 Win, Like the fact that he could win means I 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.120 don't want him there. Like, he has lots of friends 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.880 on that jury, and he's played really well. He held 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:32.880 that Artol for ages. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:34.840 Here's the marks the market. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.800 He's also Mark's best friend, however, so like they he's 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.640 been trained about how to play. 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:40.960 Oh good lord. 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.360 And then also you can't really get too upset about 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.760 he can't get upset about that shield thing, because you know, 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.440 it felt like he used the meat tray as a shield. 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.080 He used lots of things that I think he was 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:54.280 handing out that shield title to way too many people. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.760 You know, and like, yeah, good for you. He was 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:58.560 playing the best game he could, like he was doing 0:15:58.640 --> 0:15:59.560 all the things he should have. 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.560 But yeah, I would have rather take my chances at 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.080 the end next to Simon than I would next to Sean. 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.320 Sewan would be a suing to win. And one of 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.760 the things he did wrong though Sean was that he 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.320 was on the bottom. He wasn't feeling good. He wouldn't 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.680 have this long conversation with George and then he came 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.920 back and said, how are you. I feel great. I 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.480 think this is a really good chat with George and 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.680 I feel really good now. And I'm like, oh shit, 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.000 Like that's bad. George's clearly made to deal with you. 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.760 And when I thought about it, I'm like, George would 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.440 go far with Sean because George to get to the end, 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:31.400 George has two options. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.720 He has to win the Final Immunity Challenge or someone 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:34.480 has to take him. 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.320 And he doesn't have a good track record with final 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.200