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Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be a busy one this morning.

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Speaker 1: In the studio with us for the week that was,

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Speaker 1: we have got the Minister for Lands Planning and Environment,

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Speaker 1: Josh Bergoing.

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Speaker 2: Good morning morning, Katy, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you here from Central Australia.

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Speaker 2: Sunny Central.

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Speaker 1: I bet it's warm there at the moment as well.

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Speaker 1: And the Opposition leader Selena Yubo, good morning.

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Speaker 3: To you, Good morning to you, Katie.

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Speaker 1: And warming Catherine today forty one Yeah down there, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: And from the NT News, the head of News, Gary

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Speaker 1: ship Way, good morning to you morning, Katy.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at the math of Australia today and it's

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Speaker 4: totally red.

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Speaker 1: Yes, everyone, it's very warm, no doubt about that. Well,

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, people may be getting a bit

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Speaker 1: know that the Speaker has accepted a matter of privilege

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Speaker 1: says is a clear breach of member entitlements. Now the

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Speaker 1: So Steve Edgington saying that who is the Leader of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, no leave was sought yesterday, Katie. But I

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Speaker 2: It just does not pass.

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Speaker 1: You're allowed to have meetings so in your electoral office

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Speaker 4: I think there's been cases where people have been referred

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Speaker 1: No matter what though, it doesn't distract from the aspect here.

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Speaker 4: The misuse of the office, whether that's out of ignorance.

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Speaker 5: And there are those orders and standing orders that guy.

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Speaker 1: That's what is for Well, look all this on a

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Speaker 2: It does mark a real turning point, Katie, and I

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Speaker 2: We've got the report back from the McClintock Hillary Report

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Speaker 5: And very interestingly, Katie, when we're talking about integrity and ethics,

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Speaker 2: Well, we have it, Katie, as opposed to the Labor

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Speaker 2: I look forward to hearing the communities concerns through their

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Speaker 1: spill at its Darwin facility, just after admitting to under

436
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Speaker 1: calculating toxic emissions by thirteen four hundred percent. Now, according

437
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 1: to the NT Environment Department, thirty six thousand liters of

438
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 1: heating medium fluids spilt well split sorry from one of

439
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: the liquefied natural gas processing units at the Ichthe's facility

440
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 1: on Darwin Harbor on October twelve, now due to heavy

441
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: rainfall about one hundred about one thousand liters, I should

442
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 1: say of that oil went into a storm water drain

443
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 1: and beyond the facility fence towards mangroves bordering the harbor.

444
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: Department officers investigated and confirmed that IMPECTS was using absorbent

445
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Speaker 1: pads and sucker trucks near the mangroves to clean up

446
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 1: that spell. Water samples returned on Monday found no contamination.

447
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: But you know this follows that earlier story. There's a

448
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Speaker 1: major liquefied national you know, natural gas processing facility had

449
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 1: a far greater amount of cancer causing pollutant for the

450
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Speaker 1: past seven years than initial reported. I mean, I know

451
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Speaker 1: that we will be people listening this morning that feel

452
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Speaker 1: quite concerned about this. You know, we all love our

453
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Speaker 1: Darwin Harbor, we all love our territory, we love fishing,

454
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Speaker 1: we love our way of life, and we want to

455
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Speaker 1: make sure or that you know, there is no damage

456
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Speaker 1: too well, not only not only to our environment, but

457
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Speaker 1: also to us as individuals.

458
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I'll touch on the oil spill first, Katie,

459
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Speaker 2: because that's something that's obviously been raised this morning. That

460
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Speaker 2: was occurred on a Sunday evening around seven pm. The

461
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 2: very next morning impacts notified the NTEPA, so all the

462
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: right processes are going through here in regards to the spill.

463
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Speaker 2: At lunchtime the very next day, we had authorized offices

464
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Speaker 2: from the Departments of Lands Planning and Environment, and as

465
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Speaker 2: the Environment minister, it's really important that we make sure

466
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Speaker 2: that this is occurring. They conducted inspections to investigate and

467
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Speaker 2: as you rightly said, we then had sucker trucks pads

468
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Speaker 2: that are soaking all this up to ensure that there

469
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Speaker 2: wasn't any impact of the environment. There were then sample

470
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Speaker 2: results taken from the site and from the nearby waterways,

471
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 2: and sample results were confirmed on the twenty second, so

472
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Speaker 2: two days ago, with no trace of contamination in the

473
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Speaker 2: water sample. So absolutely no one wants to see anything

474
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: ever negative happen in regards to these sites. When something

475
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: does go wrong, it's important that they report it, that

476
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: there's then an action from the NTEPA, and that we

477
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Speaker 2: clean it up or the impacts clean it up as

478
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Speaker 2: quickly as we can, and then we check there's no

479
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Speaker 2: damage to the environment.

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Speaker 1: That's all work trust though in that system, and trust

481
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Speaker 1: may be in inpects actually, you know, notifying the authorities

482
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Speaker 1: and the authority is doing the job that is required.

483
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Speaker 1: Should something like this happen, their trust may be a

484
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Speaker 1: little bit broken. Following on from the earlier story in

485
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Speaker 1: the week.

486
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Speaker 2: Oh look, Katie, the timing couldn't be worse, let's be

487
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Speaker 2: honest about it. But the reality is, through all these things,

488
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Speaker 2: as soon as they have been made aware, they've then

489
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Speaker 2: gone to the NTEPA, who's the statutory authority, the Northern

490
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Speaker 2: Territory Environment Protection Authority, to ensure that it's reported on

491
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Speaker 2: and in regards to the earlier commentary around the emissions

492
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: they met on Wednesday, Impacts and the ANTEPA. ANTEPA have

493
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: revised all those emissions data. They've put it all online.

494
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Speaker 1: And it's more than we thought.

495
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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, But again it's really important for anyone that

496
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Speaker 2: is concerned. The NAPA are working closely with the Chief

497
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Speaker 2: Health Officer to make sure that that independently assesses any

498
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,239
Speaker 2: health implications in regards to everything that's been reported and

499
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Speaker 2: any findings.

500
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Speaker 1: That could you know, So do we know at the

501
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Speaker 1: moment whether there are any potential health implications for territory.

502
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Speaker 2: At this point in time. We don't have any evidence

503
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: to suggest that, and it's really important that we stress

504
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: that public health is a top priority. We want to

505
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Speaker 2: ensure that all the right mechanisms are worked through and

506
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Speaker 2: at this point in time, we don't have any evidence

507
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: to suggest otherwise, and it's really important that those people,

508
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: the ANTEPA, the Chief Health Officer are all working together

509
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Speaker 2: on this. That's the way it should occur.

510
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Speaker 4: So what has Impacts done to implement anything further so

511
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 4: to prevent monitoring any better monitoring systems. So what are

512
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 4: the commitments that they undertaken to improve the way they'd

513
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Speaker 4: been doing.

514
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Garran. I think that's probably something that people

515
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: don't understand. There are a number of air monitoring stations

516
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Speaker 2: around the site as well as around Darwin, which were

517
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Speaker 2: monitored to ensure that they basically measure the levels of

518
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Speaker 2: pollution in the air. Okay, so on days where there's

519
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: big bushfires, I quite literally get a report saying on

520
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: this day when above the recommended levels because there was

521
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Speaker 2: a massive bushfire. But for the majority of the rest

522
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: of the year they all stay under those safe levels,

523
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Speaker 2: which is really important. So these are being monitored. Impacts

524
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: are undertaking to increase the level of monitoring because it's

525
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Speaker 2: really important that we continue to have that community confidence

526
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Speaker 2: that this facility can continue to operate. As we all

527
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Speaker 2: spoke about earlier, it creates those jobs, but we don't

528
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Speaker 2: want it to have a negative impact on our environment.

529
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Speaker 2: And absolutely I can understand why people would be concerned,

530
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Speaker 2: but it's really important that these authorities, the Environmental Protecttion

531
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Speaker 2: Authority is there to make sure that they then deal

532
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Speaker 2: with impacts and say, hey, look, you guys need to

533
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Speaker 2: come up to a higher standard because we need to

534
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Speaker 2: make sure that everyone is confident in the way in

535
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Speaker 2: which you'll managing your sit.

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Speaker 4: Do you think Impacts has been more forthcoming than Santos was,

537
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Speaker 4: because I would think that those people who are you know,

538
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Speaker 4: supporters of gas would probably feel pretty let down given

539
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Speaker 4: what's happened with Santos now this, but it seems what

540
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Speaker 4: you've just described that they've been pretty.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is important Gary. You're right to, I

542
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Speaker 2: guess distinguish it to you. You've had freedom of information

543
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: requests that have then led to the divulging of the

544
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: information in regards to Santos. You've had impacts themselves here

545
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 2: go to the NTEPO and say, hey, we've put our

546
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Speaker 2: hands up, we've been calculating this wrong. We need to

547
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Speaker 2: make sure we get this right and go out to

548
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Speaker 2: the community with what the actual figures are that's all occurred,

549
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Speaker 2: and now moving forward, we need to really ensure that

550
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Speaker 2: people have confidence in what is being reported and the

551
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Speaker 2: levels and the air quality around the site.

552
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Speaker 1: I mean, Selena, do you think we can actually trust

553
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Speaker 1: this process? So, I know you must be feeling frustrated

554
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: as well the former government and the current government that

555
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 1: we've got an underreporting situation here. So you guys are

556
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: out sort of sprooking these projects to the public and

557
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: then something like this happens. I'd be frustrated by it.

558
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: I'd be pretty bloody annoyed.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I mean this is appreciate the update from Josh,

560
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Speaker 5: but you know, we've had two instances in the last

561
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Speaker 5: week that I think, you know, if you'd front foot

562
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Speaker 5: of the media and provided what you've said, you know,

563
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Speaker 5: the confidence around that process, the communication I heard you know,

564
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Speaker 5: the environment centers speaking on radio this morning around is

565
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Speaker 5: there a commitment from the government to provide that information.

566
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Speaker 5: I think that's the biggest thing here is when people

567
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Speaker 5: don't know, it's quite frightening. And you alluded to that too,

568
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Speaker 5: Katie in your comment earlier that if you've heard this

569
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Speaker 5: and you're thinking, am I safe? Is my family safe?

570
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 5: Is the environment safe? Is the you know, the fish

571
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Speaker 5: that I catch when I go out fishing safe? So

572
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Speaker 5: I think if there's a commitment from the COLP government

573
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Speaker 5: to provide what you've just done there, Josh, very simply

574
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Speaker 5: a roving update, whether it's a daily update, weekly update,

575
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 5: you know, a monthly update. In multiple ways of communications.

576
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Speaker 5: It could be a community forum or several community forums.

577
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 5: A lot of people are on social media now. If

578
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 5: it's a couple of little clips or links about this

579
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Speaker 5: is go to this website and get an update of

580
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Speaker 5: exactly what Gary said, knowing what steps and measures have

581
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Speaker 5: been followed or how to get that information. I think

582
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Speaker 5: that will provide the level of confidence that you're talking about.

583
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Speaker 5: But this is the first time, you know, you've spoken

584
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Speaker 5: publicly this week about a really important issue, and you know,

585
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Speaker 5: I commend you for doing it today, but it would

586
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Speaker 5: have been helpful to do it till or three days ago.

587
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, on that I will touch I spoke in

588
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Speaker 2: Parliament about.

589
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Speaker 5: This, and we have everyone listens to Parliament, although we

590
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Speaker 5: think they do not everyone absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: We've had the ANTEPA providing updates on their website in

592
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Speaker 2: regards to so I hear what you're saying, and I

593
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Speaker 2: guess this is that balance of you know, if it

594
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Speaker 2: was a court matter, we wouldn't speak in front of

595
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Speaker 2: the courts. It's an environmental protection matter and we're letting

596
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Speaker 2: the ANTIEPA do their statutory authority in making sure they're

597
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: the ones leading it.

598
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Speaker 1: Look, we might have to take a really quick break.

599
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Speaker 1: There's a lot to cover off on this morning. You are,

600
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Speaker 1: Liz listening two three sixty. It is the week that was.

601
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Speaker 1: There has been a lot to cover off this week

602
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: when it comes to politics and the news, and if

603
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Speaker 1: you've just joined us in the studio, of course we've

604
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Speaker 1: got Josh burgoyin Selena Ubo and Gary Shipway, but making

605
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Speaker 1: news right around the world. Earlier in the week we

606
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: learned that the Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi and US President

607
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, well they had signed a landmark agreement on

608
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Speaker 1: critical minerals and rare earths. Now it is going to

609
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Speaker 1: see a pipeline of priority projects delivered with financial commitments

610
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Speaker 1: also announced by the Australian government US one hundred million

611
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: dollars in equity investment has been committed to the Arrifura

612
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Speaker 1: Nolan's project in the NT Now. I know the headline

613
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Speaker 1: after that meeting, a lot of it was about Kevin

614
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Speaker 1: Rudd being dismissed by the President. However, this is actually

615
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Speaker 1: really good news for the Northern Territory, or it certainly

616
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Speaker 1: appears to be.

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Speaker 2: It's huge, Katie. This is a game change. Ever since

618
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Speaker 2: I was a young electrician analys we've been here about

619
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: our refuwer resources and previous government and our government. We've

620
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Speaker 2: been working for a long time to try to have

621
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Speaker 2: this realized. It's been you know, to put this in perspective.

622
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Speaker 2: We've got the Granite gold mine just out of Alice Springs.

623
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Speaker 2: I know lots of locals that work out there. This

624
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Speaker 2: is people are talking two billion dollars. I've heard about

625
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: one point six billion mentioned a number of times. In

626
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Speaker 2: the construction six hundred people will come to build it.

627
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: We'll then have the ongoing workforce. This is a huge

628
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Speaker 2: game changer for the territory. We have the resources, we

629
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Speaker 2: have the minerals. We can be shift shipping this to

630
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Speaker 2: all over the world to ensure that we're building things

631
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Speaker 2: like the electric cars. We've heard about its applications in

632
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Speaker 2: defense and in the Northern Territory, we can reap the benefits.

633
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Speaker 2: And from my little town of Alice Springs, I tell

634
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Speaker 2: you what, we're all very excited. We just want to

635
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Speaker 2: see it realized. And from all the things I've been

636
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: hearing is that they needed this additional money tipped in

637
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: to get them over the line, because over so long

638
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: we've been talking about it, the costs of construction have

639
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: gone up by two hundred million. So this one hundred

640
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: million US which will get them up to that two

641
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: hundred two hundred and fifty million Aussie that they need,

642
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: will hopefully mean they can go to FID final investment decision.

643
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 2: There's already been ground broken, so if you go out there,

644
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: there's a bit of a mining camp and they're starting

645
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: to do work on the ground. But we really now

646
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: want to see the construction of this acide.

647
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Speaker 1: So give us some perspective. I mean, to those out

648
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: there listening this morning, how far away from Alice is

649
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: that mine? And how many jobs are we potentially talking?

650
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred and thirty kilometers north of Alice. So

651
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Speaker 2: the little place called Aileron, we're basically going to see

652
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Speaker 2: six hundred jobs whilst it's under construction. The best part

653
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Speaker 2: about this mine is that they're going to be refining

654
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Speaker 2: the rare earth before they ship them off. So a

655
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: lot of people are very familiar where we dig the

656
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Speaker 2: raw rock out of the earth of them send it

657
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Speaker 2: over to China. They're actually going to have a refinery

658
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Speaker 2: on site. And that's really the value add where we're

659
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Speaker 2: not just sending a bit of dirt somewhere, We're sending

660
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Speaker 2: a liquid where yeah exactly. So that's really going to

661
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Speaker 2: add to the amount of jobs that are then needed

662
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Speaker 2: when it's up and running, and it will really benefit

663
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Speaker 2: the Northern territories.

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Speaker 1: Have we got any idea of the life span of

665
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Speaker 1: that mine? I know that's a big ask until you

666
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Speaker 1: sort of get in there and you get stuck into it.

667
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Speaker 1: But as a girl that grew up in So, you

668
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Speaker 1: want to know, yes.

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Speaker 2: For three years.

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Speaker 4: So this is this is magnificentness for our springs. I

671
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Speaker 4: mean I followed this right trans beginning as well like

672
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: everyone here has, and it's it's a truly exciting event

673
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Speaker 4: for our springs. The fly on that goes with a

674
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Speaker 4: mining camp of mine one hundred only one hundred and

675
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Speaker 4: thirty six k's out of town. It's going to be

676
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Speaker 4: great for our springs and it's going to be great

677
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Speaker 4: for the territory and it will also be great for Australia.

678
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Speaker 4: And it's this announcement is one of the few exciting

679
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Speaker 4: announcements that all of Australia's got excited about it. And

680
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Speaker 4: there's now maps about where everyone's going to get start

681
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Speaker 4: doing rare and but you know this, this mine in

682
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 4: the territory is so well advanced that you know, it's

683
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Speaker 4: just it's great news for our economy.

684
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Speaker 5: It is really exciting, Katie, and you know been as

685
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 5: Josh's acknowledged, you know, being aware of this project from

686
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Speaker 5: when formerly when labors in government. So awesome to see

687
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Speaker 5: an international deal signed with the USA, so we can

688
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Speaker 5: see that economic growth for particularly Central Australia. But we've

689
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Speaker 5: got some amazing territory businesses. We've got some awesome average

690
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 5: businesses here in the territory who are going to be

691
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Speaker 5: able to now continue to shape and format and pipeline

692
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Speaker 5: their workforce, pipeline the supply and demand chain.

693
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Speaker 3: This is going to be fantastic.

694
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Speaker 5: For the Northern Territory in terms of the growth and

695
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 5: stimulation of our economy, but particularly Central Australia, who we know,

696
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 5: you know, trying to look for those those projects of

697
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Speaker 5: the future. And I think it's really great that not

698
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 5: just Central Australia will be put on a map in

699
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Speaker 5: that sense, but Australia is recognized as being able to

700
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Speaker 5: provide that quality product and having that big partner of

701
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Speaker 5: the USA, you know, complement US.

702
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Speaker 3: I think that's going to go a long way.

703
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Speaker 1: What do I reckon? Is Kevin Rod going to be

704
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: able to stay on as the ambassador? Is he gone?

705
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Speaker 1: After those comments.

706
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Speaker 2: They're talking about Kevin twenty twenty seven, Katie, they're talking

707
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Speaker 2: he might make a resurgence now you know, there's no

708
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Speaker 2: such thing as bad news. He's got his name back

709
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: in the media. He might be coming back to Australia,

710
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: might go go and try to challenge Albough. You never know.

711
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Speaker 4: I think I think he'd make a nice embassimbassador for Germany.

712
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Speaker 1: Or somewhere else. You reckon, Oh, tell me what it's interesting,

713
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Hey, I want to go back to

714
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Speaker 1: another issue. Well here in the Northern Territory and its

715
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Speaker 1: backbencher travel. Now this made headlines a little earlier in

716
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Speaker 1: the week, when the ABC reported that they had revealed

717
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: through an ABC freedom of information request that essentially Northern

718
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: Territory government backbenches have racked up thousands of dollars of

719
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: travel courts as assistant ministers, a position that the Colp

720
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Speaker 1: previously labeled as one of my favorite words scammon. Now

721
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: a document shows three of the government's eight backbenches charged

722
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: taxpayers are combined eleven thousand dollars to travel as an

723
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Speaker 1: assistant minister, a title not officially recognized by the NT Parliament.

724
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Speaker 1: Now further detail was provided as well in that ABC

725
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Speaker 1: report where You've got a situation where you had one

726
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Speaker 1: of those one of those assistant ministers, Coda Patel go

727
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Speaker 1: to the Beloo on two occasions, as I understand it,

728
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: you had Ollie Carlson head to Nullen Boy I think

729
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Speaker 1: on two occasions. Then you had Lori Zeo representing one

730
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Speaker 1: of the ministers at an event I believe in Alice Springs.

731
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Speaker 1: I mean, it could be argued that all of the

732
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Speaker 1: all of that travel is valid. But I spoke to

733
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Speaker 1: Jerry Wood about it on the show. I think it

734
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Speaker 1: was yesterday, and we'd sort of, you know, discussed the

735
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Speaker 1: fact that appointing people assistant ministers will some would argue

736
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Speaker 1: that it's a bit of window dressing. You know, it's

737
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Speaker 1: not really an actual job. I know that Steve Edgington,

738
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Speaker 1: I believe, had stood up in Parliament though, and said

739
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Speaker 1: that it was a situation where people can get that experience.

740
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Speaker 1: I mean, Selena, you've been one of those assistant ministers

741
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Speaker 1: over the years. Is it a real job, Yeah.

742
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Speaker 5: Katie, I was assistant minister when I was a backbencher

743
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Speaker 5: for two years in the first term, and you know,

744
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Speaker 5: I have a very large electure representing the people of.

745
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Speaker 3: Varnum and I travel a lot for that.

746
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Speaker 5: And then I also used my assistant minister role to

747
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 5: identify opportunities where I could learn and where I could grow,

748
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Speaker 5: where hopefully I could add value. And at the time

749
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Speaker 5: I think I had Aboriginal affairs and also education, so

750
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Speaker 5: you know, a former teacher working with the Education minister

751
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 5: at the time. Really used those opportunities to grow my

752
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 5: understanding not just of government because I'd worked in government.

753
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 5: I have you know, never been governing in government, but

754
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 5: grow my understanding of the processes, but try and add

755
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 5: value and then to learn it almost used it like

756
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Speaker 5: a training ground, like an apprenticeship, and looks like it

757
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 5: paid off because two years of doing that. Then I

758
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 5: became a minister in twenty eighteen, and I think they

759
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 5: are important roles. They aren't recognized, that's true, they aren't

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Speaker 5: recognized by the Parliament, and I think you.

761
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Speaker 1: Don't get paid extra to be in a system.

762
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Speaker 3: Now, no you don't.

763
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Speaker 5: But if you're representing a minister, you take on some

764
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Speaker 5: of their full responsibilities. You're obviously backed by the department

765
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Speaker 5: and the skills and the experts, etc. But earlier this year, Katie,

766
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Speaker 5: we did ask Jered Mayley as the Mining minister. You know,

767
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Speaker 5: there was some discrepancies in the travel around it's through

768
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Speaker 5: the estimates process some travel. There was two thousand dollars

769
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Speaker 5: that was not accounted for and travel allowance, and then

770
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Speaker 5: later on it came out that there were photos of

771
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Speaker 5: you know, Coder in his assistant minister role, like well

772
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Speaker 5: it was that money then used to cover Coder's travel

773
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Speaker 5: and we still we still don't know the answer any

774
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Speaker 5: times later, so there does need to be transparency around that.

775
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 5: I know there's been figures and dollars attached to the

776
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 5: backbench or Assistant Minister travel under the CLP government, there's

777
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 5: you know, articles that were on in similar to when

778
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 5: Labor was in government, and it again, you know, if

779
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 5: we're talking about clearing up you know, public trust and

780
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 5: confidence in those processes, that people are doing their job

781
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 5: and not just using a little excursion to travel around

782
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 5: the territory and have a great time and not value

783
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Speaker 5: adding for taxpayers and the territorians. Then maybe there should

784
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 5: be some guidelines around those roles and that could be

785
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 5: something that could be worked on, perhaps in a bipartisan

786
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Speaker 5: way by the major parties. I'm not sure if the

787
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Speaker 5: CLP is willing to do that. But again, the frustration,

788
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 5: and I understand it more and more because I'm hearing

789
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 5: it more and more. When people don't understand decisions that

790
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 5: are made by a government, whichever government, but they're not articulated,

791
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 5: they're not communicated, and then they're not actually explained, I

792
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 5: think that becomes the frustration and people don't understand why

793
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Speaker 5: they might not agree.

794
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 3: But you've got to.

795
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 5: Have that conversation with the general public and say we're

796
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 5: doing this because of X, and this is the outcome

797
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 5: and it's why. But it's I think that frustration of

798
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 5: the communication when people know money is being spent when

799
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 5: the otherns said they're.

800
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Speaker 3: Not going to be frivolous with money.

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Speaker 1: The thing I always liked was when Jerry Wood went

802
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Speaker 1: away on a trip. There was an extensive broad afterwards, Katie,

803
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Speaker 1: And why was there?

804
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Speaker 5: Now?

805
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Speaker 1: I understand that, you know, when you're in government it

806
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: can get very busy, but people also want to make

807
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: sure that politicians are not spending money like it's monopoly money.

808
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Katie, we're making sure that one's No one's saying

809
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: that the travel wasn't conducted in accordance with the rules,

810
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 2: because it.

811
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Speaker 3: Was, but there are no rules around system.

812
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: You let to have a good chat and this is

813
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: the important thing you just spoke about, the important work

814
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Speaker 2: you did. When you're in assistant minister, you've got members.

815
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Speaker 2: Assistant ministers are traveling out to places like Nullan Boy.

816
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: That place over the next few years is vitally important.

817
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: The mine is going to be closing down it there.

818
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: We need to ensure that there is a pathway so

819
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Speaker 2: they can transition from a mining town to possibly having

820
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: tourism to possibly having other proponents come in there and

821
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: work with the community. So we don't have an entire team.

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Speaker 3: Bench shouldn't be in lieu of a minister minister case.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you, and we've had the Chief Minister travel

824
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Speaker 2: out there because it is a vitally important part, assisted

825
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: by the assistant ministers. So it is it's important that

826
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Speaker 2: we are putting this all out. We know that there's

827
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Speaker 2: people that travel around. We get criticized everything we do.

828
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Speaker 2: We're either not out enough or we're out too much.

829
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Speaker 2: I tell you what we're always happens when you're in government.

830
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: Certainly we cop it on the TK, but it's important

831
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Speaker 2: for people to understand this is why we get out

832
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: and we do what we do to listen to everyone

833
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: right across the territory. That's what we're all about, and

834
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: we're making sure we're working for territorianes every day of

835
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Speaker 2: the week.

836
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Speaker 4: I think with assistant ministers and if you look at

837
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 4: what's happening all around Australia and it's no different Special envoys.

838
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 4: Luke Goslingk's a special envoy. He was in Western Australia

839
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: this week for a major announcement. But that was that's work,

840
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 4: that's legitimate work. He was doing it and he wouldn't

841
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 4: have to pay his own way. He wouldn't have to

842
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 4: pay his own accommodation. He gets a living lout. So

843
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: that's fair enough. The way things are done in politics

844
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: all around Australia today, everyone gets a ganzy, all right,

845
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 4: So the assistant ministers, assistant ministers in every other state

846
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 4: and whether or not there, it's what it's done is

847
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 4: taking work off the load of the minister who can't

848
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 4: be everywhere. So you say, okay, everyone gets a ganzy,

849
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 4: so you go out there and you'll you'll represent me

850
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: in this role at this particular occasion, as what happened

851
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 4: with Luke down in West Australia this week. So and Marian,

852
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 4: you know it's changed. So let's just change it and

853
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 4: acknowledge that fact that system ministers especial envoys are real.

854
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 4: Now put the mechanisms in place.

855
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 5: We're talking about being open and transparent with the community.

856
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 5: The Attorney General just yesterday introduced a bill that's going

857
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Speaker 5: to be debated in November which takes away which bans

858
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Speaker 5: the opportunity for people to put a lodge and foy.

859
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Speaker 3: Freedom of information around got to.

860
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Speaker 2: Come in in regards to that's that's.

861
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Speaker 1: Right, Well is it I heard this reported earlier this morning,

862
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: and I certainly had concerns.

863
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 3: We had to look back at the transcript. So what

864
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 3: is it, Josh, Why was she talking about astant?

865
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Speaker 2: Might'st be really clear, really clear. For a long time, Cadie,

866
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Speaker 2: it's been understood that ministerial to ministerial correspondence has always

867
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Speaker 2: been non FOI. This is literally stuff that's going but

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Speaker 2: between the fifth floor amongst ministers. Over a long period

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Speaker 2: of time, you've had a mob like the ECNT, you've

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Speaker 2: had activists trying to get their hands on this. It's

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Speaker 2: led to court action, which is then costing the government's

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Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands dollars to defend. We're clearing up to

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Speaker 2: make it very clear, black and white that min to

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Speaker 2: min correspondence is not foiable. That's important correspondence that happens

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Speaker 2: between ministers on that fifth floor, and we don't want

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Speaker 2: people getting their hands on this stuff because it quite

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Speaker 2: literally is a bit like me talking to a constituent.

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Speaker 2: That's not foiable because that's that's in confidence and the

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Speaker 2: same thing happens between min and mint.

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Speaker 3: So bring the assistant ministers.

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Speaker 2: That's not my understanding, Selena. This is this is correspondence

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Speaker 2: that is on that fifth floor.

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Speaker 5: So I'd be very worried if assistant ministers who have

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Speaker 5: no legal standing, Katie, who do not swear an oath

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Speaker 5: or take an affirmation to the Crown to be a

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Speaker 5: minister or assistant minister, if they are included in this

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Speaker 5: new legislation. So I'll be looking forward to my brief

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Speaker 5: from the Attorney General and her office, so making sure

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Speaker 5: that that is not included.

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Speaker 1: All right, we might have to take a very quick break. Please,

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Speaker 1: time for us to wrap up. There's always a lot

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Speaker 1: to discuss in here on a Friday morning. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so very much for your time. Josh Burgoyne, Minister for

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Speaker 1: a number of portfolios including well planning and environment.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie. I'm looking forward to getting home and

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Speaker 2: seeing the family this weekend and head down to the

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Speaker 2: Todd Moore markets on Sunday, so thank you for having us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff. It'll be nice and warm, I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool down a little bit, but I think

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Speaker 2: it'll be getting hot again.

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Speaker 1: Real soon, no doubt. Selena Hubo, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time.

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Speaker 5: The leader of the Opposition, Thank you, Katie and everyone

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Speaker 5: in Catherine.

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Speaker 3: Please stay cool, but particularly look.

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Speaker 5: After your neighbors, especially if you've got elderly neighbors, because

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Speaker 5: the Bureau of Meteorology has issued that heat wave across

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Speaker 5: the territory and we want to make sure that our

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Speaker 5: senior territories are also looked up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look after each other. Gary ship Way, head of

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Speaker 1: News at the NT News. Lovely to have you in

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Speaker 1: the studio.

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Speaker 4: You have pleasure to be here. I know it's been

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Speaker 4: hot and I'm looking forward to a lux at tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: And then a swim hopefully good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, you have been listening to the week that was