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Speaker 1: Get a.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter and professional oversharer.

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Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe

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Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face

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Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week I'll interview a different guest

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Speaker 2: about their highs as well as their lows, all in

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Speaker 2: a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello their

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Speaker 2: Gangles Radio on the app. Today we have Trend Dalton

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Speaker 2: Part two. He is a Ripper Australian author and if

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Speaker 2: you have just watched the logis over the weekend, you

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Speaker 2: will know that Boycewellow's Universe was nominated for a mazillion.

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Speaker 2: I'm recording this before it's been announced the winner, so

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many they've won, but I'm going

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Speaker 2: to guess a plethora.

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Speaker 1: Trent, you are wonderful. We had to re release.

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Speaker 2: This episode because he's just such a great human being.

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Speaker 2: To the listener, thank you for tuning in. This intro

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Speaker 2: is coming to from Los Angeles. Always lots to update

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Speaker 2: you on from LA, from earthquakes to Pumpkin and spice lattes.

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Speaker 2: Tune in on Friday for your Friday La Diary episode

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Speaker 2: For all things La La Land. But in the meantime

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Speaker 2: enjoy Trent Dalton Part two. Hello, we have a treat

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Speaker 2: for you today. Now this is technically a hot seat episode.

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Speaker 2: After interviewing Trent Dalton, I then said do you want

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Speaker 2: to jump on the hot seat quickly? And he was like,

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Speaker 2: of course, And then of course he answered the questions

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Speaker 2: so beautifully that it needs to be its own.

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Speaker 1: Trent Dolton Part two.

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Speaker 2: So here you have it Trent Doalton Part two on

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Speaker 2: the pod. Technically a hot seat, but he answered them

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Speaker 2: with a bit of depth, so it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: longer than your regular hot seat.

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Speaker 1: I hope you love it. Trent Dalton, You're wonderful.

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Speaker 3: What is your name, dear friend, Trent David Dalton.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was hoping you'd throw a middle in there.

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Speaker 3: For me of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. Okay, if you had a last meal sweet or savory?

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Speaker 3: Savory? Oh? Can I ask what? Uh? Prawn sandwich? No?

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Speaker 4: Really, salt and pepper really and ideally prawn's caught by

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Speaker 4: my This is impossible because my dad's dead, but caught

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Speaker 4: by my dad Morton Bay. Prawn's caught by my dad

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Speaker 4: sent to me in a dropped at my front door

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Speaker 4: step in a styropham box around Christmas time, and like

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Speaker 4: with a little notes saying love you mate.

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Speaker 1: Can I quickly.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to cry because I said, I'm actually.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw you something right now? Can you quickly

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Speaker 2: share the note that your dad left in your letter

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Speaker 2: box that you put sticky tape on.

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Speaker 4: No, I've carried around with me. It's not in my

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Speaker 4: wallet today because it started a fray. It's in a

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Speaker 3: I went to the letterbox one day, opened up a

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Speaker 3: letterbox and it.

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Speaker 4: Was a note from my dad. My dad wrote letters

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Speaker 4: the way Clint Eastwood speaks. It's all very brief. It's

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Speaker 4: like a It's like getting a note from Cormette McCarthy

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Speaker 4: and he just said, Tramp, you have been a revelation.

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Speaker 3: You have done all the right things. Love it, Love

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Speaker 3: you dad.

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Speaker 1: Ah, what a letter? What a note?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I sort of did a version of contact to that,

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Speaker 4: just from like little streets and carried around with me forever,

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Speaker 4: and it sat on my desk as a journal for

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Speaker 4: like for the longest time, and it's now in like

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Speaker 4: our We've got this little ikea thing where we hold

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Speaker 4: our daughters certificates and and and important things. I've got

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Speaker 4: Eddie Vetda's guitar.

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Speaker 3: Pick. Yeah, and next to that is this letter from Dad.

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Speaker 3: Stop it.

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Speaker 4: It's the most beautiful thing I've a Yeah, one of

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Speaker 4: one of the most beautiful things I've ever received in

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Speaker 4: the letterbox.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you could have a superpower, what would it be?

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Speaker 3: Time travel? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be nice, that'd be real nice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just a massive you know, closet. No, not

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Speaker 3: It's the most meaningful piece of pop culture to me

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Speaker 2: Jarge, I've never seen no, I know, and I'm a

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Speaker 5: Like, yeah, can you when you put it on?

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Speaker 3: Can you call me and like a zoom watch together.

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Speaker 2: I promise you the moment that I watch it, it's

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Speaker 3: You and Boss, You and the boss. Yeah, I see

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Speaker 3: you guys are doing it. Man, I'm going to grab

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Speaker 5: I'm so I'm so happy for you if I had Okay,

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Speaker 5: here's what I'd do if I could time travel, I'd

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Speaker 5: go back to nineteen eighty five, to the time when

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Speaker 4: To the future, and I watch it for the first

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Speaker 4: That's amazing.

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Speaker 3: That's how much it means to me.

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Speaker 1: This is where the Michael J. Fox love came.

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Speaker 3: That's where it all began. Oh, I love it when

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's two questions about fear. So one is

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Speaker 2: do you have one? And the second one is do

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Speaker 2: you have an irrational feel like I have an irrational

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Speaker 2: fear that there's because I live in Byron, that there's

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Speaker 2: a snake coiled up in the toilet every and I.

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Speaker 1: Have to pull the lip check.

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Speaker 2: Right, So that's my irrational fear. But do you It's

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Speaker 2: two questions, Why do you have a fear?

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Speaker 3: Fear?

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Speaker 1: Then do you have an irrational one?

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Speaker 4: My, you know, my first genuine fear is just just

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Speaker 4: dying before dying, before I get to spend you know,

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Speaker 4: another sixty years with my daughters. Yeah, and my irrational

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Speaker 3: There's there's there's.

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Speaker 4: A sliding door and it's all built of glass in

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Speaker 2: Oh, can I say, in Lola in the mirror, I

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Speaker 2: love there was a little sneaky cereal situation like I

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Speaker 3: I wonder actually now you say that whether he.

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Speaker 3: That's my irrational fear.

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Speaker 4: Men aged about fifty five in ad just stare in darkness,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen this, as I'm sure

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Speaker 2: TikTok trend right now where get ready for your daughter's

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Speaker 2: where you ask either your dad or partner if how

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Speaker 2: often they think about the Roman Empire?

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Speaker 1: Right, and usually someone.

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Speaker 2: Will say to you, a male will say to you

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay, so and that it perplexes us females.

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Speaker 2: We're like, what you think about the Roman Empire once

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Speaker 3: Ever, it's big to us men. It's big, right, it's got.

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Speaker 2: To do the whole the masculinity thing and creating an

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Speaker 2: I literally can I will be like that person could

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Speaker 3: Really awful, Yeah, right, totally.

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Speaker 2: But it's also it's also interesting because like, oh wow,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the Roman Empire thing. Get ready for that.

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Speaker 2: I put money on.

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Speaker 1: One of your text me.

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Speaker 2: When that happens, you'll be like, I know what's coming here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, once a week. Yeah yeah, yeah, So there

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Speaker 2: It's true. Okay, do you have a favorite city? I

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Speaker 4: I only saw it for the first time, you know,

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Speaker 3: You come up, and we were.

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Speaker 4: The first vision of New York I got was on

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Speaker 2: Still it's still run on like water, like the elevator

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's something so magical about New York City.

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Speaker 2: What about nature Spot, like I know, you know, like

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Speaker 2: is it an Australian.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't have to give Sorry, it's a hot

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Speaker 4: seat I've got I know here I am relaxing in

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Speaker 4: like a cool seat. Yeah. Oh oh man, okay, I'm

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Speaker 4: given that. This is This is a it's my one

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Speaker 4: and it's like it's seaside. It's Morton Bay and it's

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Speaker 4: the smell of cod frying in the fish and chip shops.

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Speaker 4: It's the smell of chlorine from the Sandgate swimming pool.

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Speaker 4: But then there's this rock wall. And one day my daughter,

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Speaker 4: our family called MPH. It means moment of pure happiness

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Speaker 4: And that whole all that stuff which you could define

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Speaker 4: But just have this inherent kind of weirdness that you

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Speaker 1: All Right, do you have a man trum like a

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Speaker 4: because you're super cool.

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Speaker 3: You're a fucking moretta really. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's from Reservoir Docs, and so Tim Roth says that

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Speaker 4: Saying that before, like job interviews and stuff. It was

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Speaker 3: You're a fucking Bretta Embarrassings.

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Speaker 2: Like I'll get nervous for big guests, like you are

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Speaker 2: the first thing I did was clock your beautiful big

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Speaker 1: I love it, right, I mean I do.

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Speaker 2: Like the g up one as well, but it's just

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Speaker 2: it's interesting, you know, to hear all this.

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Speaker 1: I've learned so much from you.

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Speaker 2: Final final, final question, my friend, what is the best

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Speaker 4: Uh? Sky blue Oliverti typewriter from my best mates mum

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Speaker 4: that stories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the boot of the Subaru right, yeah.

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Speaker 4: January six, twenty twenty, we were at the funeral of

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Speaker 4: to be gotten if you turn up late to this funeral,

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Speaker 4: because Kath Kelly lives such a rich life that late

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Speaker 3: And her request was, there's thirty four x goal.

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Speaker 4: toasting her and I turned to call and I said, man,

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Speaker 4: her encouragement. She'd write me these most amazing letters. Miss

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Speaker 4: Olivetti was her best friend. And he goes, ah, well,

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Speaker 4: there was one more thing. Mum requested Tramp and he

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Speaker 4: and he says, she wanted you to have it best

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Speaker 2: That was the moment that I messaged you because I'd

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Speaker 4: Wo wow, Yes, what a gift, What an amazing gift.

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Speaker 4: And she ties back to that stuff I'm telling you

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Speaker 4: sent one back for five years.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's that that type of human being. It's just like

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Speaker 4: I just want to I just want to reach that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're well on your way if you're

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Trent Dalton.

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Speaker 2: You've given me so much extra time today and you

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Speaker 2: are absolutely awesome.

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Speaker 3: One of the great pleasures of my life. Lola, thanks

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Speaker 3: for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.

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Speaker 2: As always, thank you to our guests, and let's continue

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