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Speaker 1: My name is Tatasha Bamblet. I'm a proud First Nations

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Speaker 1: Jar water Nadaa. Hello, beautiful friends, we gather on the

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Speaker 1: lands of the Aboriginal people. We thank, acknowledge and respect

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Speaker 1: the Aboriginal people's land that we're gathering on today. Take

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Speaker 1: She's on the Money podcast acknowledges culture, country, community and connections,

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Speaker 1: bringing you the tools, knowledge and resources for you to thrive.

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Speaker 2: She's on the Money.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money.

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Speaker 4: The podcast that is here to have big money conversations.

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Speaker 4: I'm Victoria Devine and today's episode might feel a little

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Speaker 4: bit different, and that's exactly the point. January twenty six

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Speaker 4: is not a date to celebrate for many of us,

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Speaker 4: especially our First Nation's community and friends. It's a day

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Speaker 4: of mourning, a reminder of loss, resilience and the work

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Speaker 4: that is yet to still be done. So instead of

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Speaker 4: our regular Money Diaries episode, we wanted to use this

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Speaker 4: moment for something bigger on this date, a moment to listen,

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Speaker 4: to learn, and to talk about how we can all

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Speaker 4: show up in a way that's respectful, informed and impactful.

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Speaker 2: And to help us do that, we're.

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Speaker 4: Joined by my friends Laura Thompson and Sarah Sheridan from

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Speaker 4: Clothing the Gap, an incredible Indigenous led social enterprise that's

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Speaker 4: turned a clothing labor into an absolute movement. Through their work,

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Speaker 4: they've built community created jobs and helped thousands of Australians

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Speaker 4: understand exactly what it means to vote with your dollar,

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Speaker 4: not just today, but every single day. In this episode,

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Speaker 4: together we're going to unpack how Clothing the Gaps began,

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Speaker 4: the gaps they're closing, and what it takes to build

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Speaker 4: a profit for cause brand from the very ground up

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Speaker 4: and practical ways that we can show support, including the

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Speaker 4: ways that don't cost a thing. A very warm welcome

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Speaker 4: to my friends Lauren and Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: It's really lovely to be here and I feel like

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Speaker 5: we can just wrap up now, because I feel like

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Speaker 5: you just all of that uh.

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Speaker 4: Cool, Yeah, Indigenous Social Enterprise, You're doing a really good job.

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Speaker 4: You've created job just like raising winess. Yeah, tick and

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Speaker 4: a gap. I'm so excited to have a chat with

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Speaker 4: you guys, and especially on today, I feel like so

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Speaker 4: many people in our community are in that limbo of

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Speaker 4: like do we talk about it? Do we not talk

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Speaker 4: about it? Do we mention it? And like, what a

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Speaker 4: better way than to get the two of you here

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Speaker 4: to go? This is what we need to be sharing.

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Speaker 4: These are the conversations we are having, and I just

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Speaker 4: feel so grateful that you're allowing me to use you

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Speaker 4: guys to educate our community, because like, it's not it's

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Speaker 4: want to hear it from the mouths of the horses basically,

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Speaker 4: So let's get to know the two of you a

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Speaker 4: little bit better. I want to go all the way

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Speaker 4: back to the very beginning. How'd you meet? What sparked

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Speaker 4: clothing the gap?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great question, Victoria. So Laura and I

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Speaker 5: met eleven years ago when I approached laws to join

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Speaker 5: the Victorian Aboriginal Health Services Healthy Last our team as

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Speaker 5: a UNIQU placement student. Oh cool, Yeah, so Laws was

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Speaker 5: actually my boss. Fun fact Ooh how the tables have two?

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Speaker 2: She's still my boss.

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Speaker 4: It's okay, same, same, but like the respects levels, I

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Speaker 4: feel like you're a little bit different. The dynam makes

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Speaker 5: Eleven years of getting to making back together, it's yeah,

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Speaker 4: It's so cool.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So I was, you know, yet another non Indigenous

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Speaker 5: And I'd been spending some time working alongside some other

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Speaker 2: And it's really funny.

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Speaker 5: It was like, sounds good, we'll do that, and it's

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Speaker 5: there's this like one week where it's like a coffee

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Speaker 2: It's like coffee with Laura three pm.

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Speaker 4: Like she just cany me throughout the week, just let

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you really didn't want to buy me at the start. Hey, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. And a coffee you're like a coffee with like

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I it was already had like non indigenous

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So eventually Sarah and I did catch.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And Says did a placement and I offered her

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Speaker 5: We worked together at the Health Service about three and

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Speaker 5: incredible impact together. But the really hard part about it,

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Speaker 5: I guess, was that it was all really dictated by

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's really rough. I see that coming up

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Speaker 4: how great it would be, but we on't access funding.

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Speaker 4: And I guess that's a lot of what we talk

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Speaker 6: We're both health promotion practitioners. We both have backgrounds in

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Speaker 2: All the sparkle to engage community.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have to. It's like not just about

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Speaker 4: if you're not, like people aren't going to engage with you,

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Speaker 4: and then you're not going to get your funding.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think we've done a really good job at

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Speaker 5: Started a health promotion consultancy, which we always say is

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Speaker 2: But you know that's why just pretend they do any

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Speaker 4: What we did.

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Speaker 5: No, we actually had some really lovely partnerships and we

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Speaker 5: had two contracts before we left our job, our full

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Speaker 5: first business that we started together was actually called Spark Health,

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Speaker 5: which means that when closing the Gaps very first started,

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Speaker 5: we always had merch as part of the incentivization piece

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Speaker 5: you got your free singer I mean, and the singer.

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Speaker 2: Means yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 5: Like people love like and trust me like community love

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Speaker 4: Somebody who runs a community community.

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Speaker 5: And the so I guess like in like long before

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And the only way that you could get it

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Speaker 2: It was basically a bribe, but.

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Speaker 4: You have to show But I also like that you

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Speaker 4: that like you know when people like go overseas and

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Speaker 4: your singlet, because you want people to know you're involved.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's actually really beautiful as well, because

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Speaker 4: they're like, not just promoting you, but they're proud of

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Speaker 6: And you could only it was that shared experience. You

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Speaker 6: couldn't buy the T shirt that only you could only

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Speaker 6: earn it, and it really created a sense of community

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Speaker 6: of people I guess that were living those healthy lifestyle values.

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Speaker 6: But we were only working with I guess, the local

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Speaker 4: And then from that clothing the gap eventuated. So how

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Speaker 2: How does that like? Because that's a shift. It was

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Speaker 2: never ever the plan. Do you mean you didn't wake

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Speaker 7: No, no, oh, I know, and we always we always

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Speaker 4: No, me, It's like me, like, I just couldn't imagine

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Speaker 4: You're just like, no, like fashion and stuff is so fun,

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Speaker 6: But it was like at the same time, when you know,

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Speaker 6: the market that where people could actually wear their culture

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So it was a real signifier to mob to be

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Speaker 6: proud of who they are when they wore that single it.

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Speaker 6: So I was always wanting to look for ways, even personally,

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Speaker 2: My mom and this is what I care about.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I've been my whole life looking for those

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Speaker 6: opportunities to do that. So the real shift happened in

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty when COVID hit and all of those programs

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Speaker 5: So we'd gone essentially from like I felt like I

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Speaker 5: and well being programs like right across like we were

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Speaker 5: I was in Geelong like two nights a week, in Melton,

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Speaker 2: But like you've got that and you're traveling, and then

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and because it's the official flag of Australia.

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Speaker 5: But it was this really weird thing where the Aboriginal

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Speaker 6: We got please help us two and a half years.

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Speaker 6: But this time, and this was the thing we'd never

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Speaker 4: How can I help?

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Speaker 4: But you have to do what you've got to do.

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Speaker 5: It changes the way that that environment feels. It changes

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Speaker 6: Be like, Oh, this person cares about first first na

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, but even then, it's just so nice

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Speaker 6: It's just that change, like maybe this cafe is for me, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that situation.

447
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Speaker 6: We were, and we had to free the flag T

448
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 6: shirt and always was always will be T shirt in

449
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 6: the shape of the Aboriginal flag.

450
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 2: Trying to get around that copyright.

451
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 4: Issue being a little bit sneaky, Yeah, I have to do.

452
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: We've spent a lot of time thinking about how we can.

453
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 4: Seen stuff. But I super love it because it's not like, oh,

454
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 4: we're trying to rip off another brand. It's like, no,

455
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 4: we're trying to claim this back and we haven't got

456
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 4: it yet, but we know we're going to get it,

457
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 4: but we.

458
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Speaker 2: Haven't got it yet. And I just I love it.

459
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Speaker 2: And that's why we took the color.

460
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Speaker 6: We called it the empty flag, and it was like

461
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 6: the shape of the Aboriginal flag without the color.

462
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not it.

463
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Speaker 5: It's not the same. Like how much do we have

464
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Speaker 5: to change it for it to not be a breach

465
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Speaker 5: of the licensing agreement anymore?

466
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Speaker 6: And we talk quite openly about this. We were like

467
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Speaker 6: inundated with with sales. We had people lining up down

468
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 6: the street to get a T shirt. We just could

469
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 6: not make enough, right, And on shopify there's this button

470
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Speaker 6: and it's continued to sell when out of stock.

471
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah we pressed it.

472
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Speaker 2: It was pre but people didn't know it.

473
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but that's fine. You know what I feel

474
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 4: like in small business and like I obviously am a

475
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 4: small business myself, you're kind of like, just do it.

476
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Speaker 4: See what happens.

477
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 5: Like now, we would tell people be like it's on

478
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Speaker 5: pre order, it's arriving.

479
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, But like I always say, bite off more than

480
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Speaker 4: you can chew and then we'll just figure out how

481
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 4: to swallow it later. Like and that's terrible business advice, right,

482
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Speaker 4: But every single small business owner that is driven by passion,

483
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Speaker 4: that is driven by you know, trying to have an impact.

484
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Speaker 4: I've never met someone who doesn't agree with that, like

485
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Speaker 4: people who are maybe too conservative, Great, no worries, like

486
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 4: you've started an accounting form or something when you have impacts,

487
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Speaker 4: you're like, I'll work out hard to chew that later.

488
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Speaker 2: Like, but I took the buy.

489
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Speaker 4: Yeah, now we have to do what we said we're

490
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Speaker 4: going to do. And I think there's something so beautiful

491
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Speaker 4: about that. But also, are you okay because that would

492
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Speaker 4: have been chaos?

493
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Speaker 2: Now, Look, it was.

494
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Speaker 6: It was a ceiling that we didn't know what the

495
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Speaker 6: limit was, and it allowed us to just completely open

496
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Speaker 6: that up. I was and Lack says, now, we wouldn't

497
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Speaker 6: do that now that I was like very much in

498
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 6: the space of where was everyone pre Black Lives Matter movement?

499
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 6: And if you didn't have a T shirt before this moment,

500
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 6: you can wait two weeks. I was completely there, and

501
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 6: we wrote a lot about our a ship beyond the

502
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 6: trend and what that looks like. And to be honest,

503
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 6: we built a community of people at that moment that

504
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 6: we were able to continue to talk to and if

505
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Speaker 6: we didn't sell them a T.

506
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: Shirt and waist connected exactly. So it was one of

507
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Speaker 2: the best decisions.

508
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Speaker 4: A week I was post we can blame them.

509
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you show up to the.

510
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Speaker 5: That Saturday that's coming and you're not wearing and always was,

511
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 5: always will be a T shirt, it's still okay. You're

512
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 5: still there and you should have over that. And that's

513
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 5: where we got to was like literally we were it

514
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 5: was in our first tiny little office. Our first office,

515
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Speaker 5: Victoria was up these rickety set of stairs above rent

516
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 5: a Bomb in Preston. Oh yeah, well actually technically this

517
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 5: was our second office. Our first office was in the

518
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 5: spare change rooms at the football club at the Fitz Restars. Sorry,

519
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 5: that is not your kitchen table, that is that's your

520
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 5: office outside of home. Yeah, it was all of the

521
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 5: lost and found football boots.

522
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Speaker 4: But that's okay, you do what.

523
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Speaker 2: Sometimes context doesn't matter exactly.

524
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Speaker 5: I will not forget that smell though, And I literally

525
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 5: stood out the front of I remember like COVID rules, right,

526
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 5: so there was only like three shoppers allowed upstairs at

527
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Speaker 5: a time. So every single person, so we had this

528
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 5: line down High Street in Preston that.

529
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Speaker 2: Went like a block and a half had to be

530
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Speaker 2: socially to be.

531
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Speaker 5: And everyone had to like stand their distances apart, and

532
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Speaker 5: so everybody had like a set time that they were

533
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Speaker 5: allowed to.

534
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Speaker 2: Comics looking back on it, and at the same time.

535
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Speaker 5: You're like, they still showed up good and like every

536
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 5: single person got drilled about. Will open up your phone

537
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 5: while you're here, You're going to follow this, this, this, and

538
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 5: this person. You need to sign this petition. They got

539
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 5: like an actual drawldry list.

540
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: Here's what we expect of you. You can't come in

541
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Speaker 2: our little house until then.

542
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Speaker 5: And that's exactly it. So and as I said that,

543
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 5: we've got to build this community of people where we

544
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 5: made it very very very clear that if you are here,

545
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 5: there is action that's asked of you in this process.

546
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Speaker 2: It's not just about the T shirt.

547
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Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no no. And I think that I

548
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 4: would be very disappointed if it was just about the

549
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 4: T shirt. And I get that, and I think that's

550
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Speaker 4: why your business has such grit and the fact that

551
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 4: you guys don't rely on grants. You rely on sales

552
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: of your clothing to perpetuate this. And I think that

553
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 4: that's incredible but also would be really stressful. At the

554
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Speaker 4: same time. Can you talk me through some of the

555
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 4: financial realities of that choice of model of business, especially

556
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 4: for a social enterprise, and what is it taught you

557
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 4: or it's.

558
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Speaker 5: Taught us a lot actually, and it's it's been a

559
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 5: really interesting process and in the current economic environment for retail,

560
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 5: it's been a really big reminder of we have to

561
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 5: be a viable and sustainable business first. We want to

562
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 5: be here to continue to create impact for a really

563
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 5: long time, and we have genuinely had to completely rework

564
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 5: the whole way that we run our business over the

565
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 5: last twelve months. Otherwise, if we had a nerve, you know,

566
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Speaker 5: we've been reflecting on this a lot lately, if we

567
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 5: would be bankrupt, like we would not be here closing

568
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 5: the gaps would no longer exist. Because when you are

569
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Speaker 5: a social enterprise, our commitment is to always give a

570
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Speaker 5: majority of our profits, resources and efforts to our cause.

571
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Speaker 8: Yep.

572
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Speaker 5: We're also a certified Aboriginal business where a big court

573
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Speaker 5: we'd have a locally made collection that's ethical clothing Australia

574
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Speaker 5: credited and locally made with the whole.

575
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Speaker 2: Oh and we're Bear Corp and just local like stop it.

576
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Speaker 5: The really interesting part about it is is that the

577
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Speaker 5: challenges that small businesses in general face face, new businesses

578
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 5: and social enterprises purposely businesses fel them a lot harder

579
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 5: and quicker. I think so we actually pivoted really early

580
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 5: in terms of the economic slowness that's happened over the

581
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Speaker 5: last little while, Like we had made changes probably eight

582
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 5: months prior to that, because we could feel.

583
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Speaker 2: It coming faster.

584
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 5: One of the biggest lessons that I think that we've

585
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 5: learned is ensuring that the business model works before you

586
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 5: get really deeply invested in over committing on the impact bit.

587
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 5: And that's taken us a really long time to getther

588
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 5: of getting really clear about what we do, how we

589
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 5: do it, the partners, the community partners that we work

590
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 5: with along the way to have the longevity in the

591
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 5: impact as well.

592
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to like hearing you say that

593
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: you're both so incredibly passionate, and I can hear that,

594
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 4: so I can see how you might go but we

595
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 4: want to do everything And that would then be really

596
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: limiting because you go, well, we actually only have this budget.

597
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 4: How do you then prioritize our impact when you're like,

598
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 4: there's so much change that needs to happen, Like, how

599
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 4: are you managing that? Because I can just see how

600
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 4: that might just be overwhelming And then you you know,

601
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 4: you're still having an impact, but you're like, but we

602
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 4: should be doing more. Like I can just see that

603
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 4: you're that type of people, especially.

604
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Speaker 6: When you build a platform and you want to be

605
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 6: able to to share it to alevate other issues, and

606
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 6: then we just become sort of overwhelmed and not as focused.

607
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 6: And then if you're not as focused after your a game, yeah,

608
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 6: and then we can't actually make the difference that we

609
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 6: want to make around certain things, Like we just can't do.

610
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Speaker 2: Everything that we want.

611
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Speaker 6: We're a limited resource, but we're in this beautiful position

612
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Speaker 6: as a social enterprise of being able to not being

613
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Speaker 6: reliant on the government.

614
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 4: Oh that's slag.

615
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, and have a unique position to be able to

616
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 6: use our power and our voices without any fear that

617
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 6: we're going to lose.

618
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 4: Might be rescinded or something.

619
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's what keeps us in this space when

620
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Speaker 6: I sort of think about like, I come from a

621
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Speaker 6: family who are activists, and none of them had been

622
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 6: in business, and some I think, well, why, you know,

623
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 6: I'm not in business to make money.

624
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: I'm in business.

625
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 6: Because I actually feel more self determined than I ever

626
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 6: have because we don't actually have to work with, you know,

627
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 6: the colonial structures.

628
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Speaker 2: We just have to work with community.

629
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Speaker 6: They're the ones that support us and fund us to

630
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 6: do to create the impact that we want to that

631
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 6: we want to work.

632
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: We also get to choose who we work with. Yeah,

633
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot of in that.

634
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Speaker 6: So that's that is the power of beauty. And we

635
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 6: get to build our own economic independence. Yeah, I get

636
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 6: to We get to mentor other people in business.

637
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: We just do that quite naturally.

638
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 6: And when Says talks about twenty twenty four being like

639
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 6: a tough year in retail across the board for everyone

640
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 6: with the cost of living crisis, it was hard for

641
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Speaker 6: me to recognize that.

642
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: Because we're so in the work.

643
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and as like I knew we weren't selling as much,

644
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 6: but it was our focus isn't always on financials, yeah,

645
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 6: and on the sales. And often when we're doing the

646
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 6: good work, we make the sales. If we focus on

647
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 6: the impact, if we tell the stories, if we continue

648
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 6: to advocate, community keep supporting us. At the same time,

649
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 6: I guess it's important to keep oversight of the whole picture.

650
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Speaker 6: And you know, we're certainly getting better at that five

651
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 6: years into business.

652
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Speaker 4: And you have to get better at that, and like

653
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Speaker 4: it's not what you want to hear as motivated individuals

654
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 4: who want to have an impact. But then I don't

655
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Speaker 4: know if you know this, Boogs financial Advisor. I just

656
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: have a lot of thoughts about finances, and I'm like,

657
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: I get where you're coming from.

658
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: You're not financially motivated.

659
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 4: But the more financially secure we are, the more impact

660
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Speaker 4: we can have. And that's where I go, how can

661
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 4: I get my hands into this and like, help you

662
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 4: find that drive to make more money while not feeling

663
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: like you're being greedy for wanting to make more money,

664
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Speaker 4: because that's actually directly related to the impact every single

665
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Speaker 4: dollar that you bring in has.

666
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Speaker 2: So the more money we.

667
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 4: Can bring in great, the more saturation we can have

668
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Speaker 4: in the market, and the bigger percentage of each of

669
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 4: those dollars actually goes to community, actually goes to your

670
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: causes and actually goes to closing that gap because you know,

671
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: right now you would have genuine business expenses. We have rent,

672
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: we have overheads, we have to buy stock, and if

673
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: we're only making small margins and not selling heaps, well,

674
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: that small margin then goes to you know, the cause.

675
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: But the bigger the margin, the more impact we have.

676
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 4: And that is a really hard thing to help small

677
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 4: business owners who are driven by impact conceptualized because they're like, oh,

678
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: but I'm not money hungry, Victorian.

679
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know, I know.

680
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 4: But if we look at every single dollar that comes

681
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: into your business and making that work as hard as

682
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 4: possible for your cause, do you want that?

683
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: You go, well, yes, go great. We have to care

684
00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: about the finances. Absolutely.

685
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 5: It's flipping it to for some people be thinking about

686
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 5: it as a rese like it's just a resource. It is,

687
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 5: and the more resource you have and it is that

688
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 5: empowers a resource. So I've been able to do more

689
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 5: and do it differently and do it in the way

690
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 5: that you know that we know is impactful in that

691
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 5: as well.

692
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: Yes, rough, But.

693
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 6: The question that we're mostly asking ourselves is are we

694
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 6: doing enough for community?

695
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: You know? Are we doing enough?

696
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 6: And that is I feel like and for lots of

697
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 6: i'd say Aboriginal businesses, it feels like the expectation are

698
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 6: they giving back is something that we That threshold feels

699
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 6: higher for MOB because certainly I don't know how many

700
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 6: other retailers or other business out there where people got

701
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 6: them say.

702
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: What are you doing with your profits? Like we get

703
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: that Aboriginal businesses.

704
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: It's actually insane because like I don't get asked that, Yeah,

705
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: like nobody goes Victoria, what do you do with your profits?

706
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 4: And like I will happily tell you, But like I

707
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: see that being asked to view in your social comments

708
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: online and just people having these un realistic expectations at

709
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: the end of the day. Yes, but that's not your

710
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 4: business at the end of the day, because you're a

711
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: private company, you are not government funded, You do not

712
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 4: you not owed that information. But then also, why are

713
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 4: you questioning me as though I would not be doing

714
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 4: the right thing? Have you seen the mission behind this business?

715
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: And that's I think that's und Sharon.

716
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 6: That's for us why those accreditation that we listed off

717
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 6: before are so important because it gives transparency that we're

718
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 6: externally audited and there's a responsibility and there's a privilege

719
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 6: that comes to being a social enterprise. And that's why

720
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 6: and I just really want to acknowledge the privilege that

721
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 6: we've got to be actually able to have set our

722
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 6: business up in the way that we have. But these

723
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 6: questions of give back and responsibility, it's not just for

724
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 6: social enterprises that Aboriginal businesses feel more broadly is yeah,

725
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 6: I just want to raise there's something that I don't

726
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 6: think non Indigenous businesses experiences are same. And having said that,

727
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 6: when you invest and buy and support Aboriginal businesses, we

728
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 6: quite naturally give back to our own mob. Like the

729
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 6: stats from Supply Nation is that we're one hundred times

730
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 6: Aboriginal businesses, a hundred times more likely to employ Aboriginal people.

731
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 6: We do that naturally, yet we're still questioned about are

732
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 6: we giving enough back?

733
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 4: It's crazy our mob. And it's also like your culture

734
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 4: as well, Like and I didn't mean to cut you off.

735
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: I'm just so frustrated that you get these questions. I

736
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 4: recorded a podcast a little while ago with the First

737
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 4: Nation's Financial Literacy Foundation, and it's just this concept that

738
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of white people can understand

739
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 4: that your income is not seen as your income. It's

740
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: seen as giving back to community, and like that's kind

741
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: of the primary purpose. And that's so flipping beautiful. Why

742
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: can't we not only embrace that, but like understand and

743
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 4: then further support that. Because the second one Indigenous person

744
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 4: has access to wealth, they immediately don't go greater goodbye car,

745
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 4: they go How could I help my friends, my family, like, oh,

746
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 4: such and such over here needs this, Like it's this

747
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: altruistic undertone that I'm like, we just don't have that.

748
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 2: We need more of that.

749
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 5: You know, as you walk into ashop on Sydney Road

750
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: in Brunswick or around your country, you can see all

751
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 5: of our accreditations. We should be looking for those same

752
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 5: accreditations everywhere everywhere that we go. So I think every

753
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 5: single thing that we buy is an opportunity to change

754
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 5: the way that the world looks and functions and feels like.

755
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 5: And the more of the dollars that we're already spending,

756
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 5: sometimes it's not about spending more. It's just about changing

757
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 5: the location the direction of the money flow that you've

758
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 5: already got. That can just make such a big difference.

759
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 5: Like I get so excited about being able to you know,

760
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 5: when it comes time for me, it's you know, it's

761
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 5: time for a new pair of genes, Like yeah, right,

762
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 5: where am I buying this from?

763
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: Because this actually matters?

764
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 5: Like, you know, I start my little list is like

765
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 5: I start with an Aboriginal business, and then it's is

766
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 5: it Australian made?

767
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: Is a bee core? Is it?

768
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 5: I lotionally deprive, Just like, how great to look into

769
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 5: your wardrobe in your house and be like, I have

770
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 5: these incredible stories attached to all of these things that

771
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 5: my money is just like it's working about where it's invested.

772
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 5: My money invested in my wardrobe is also working just

773
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 5: as hard out in the realmigious girls like.

774
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 4: We still want a nice pair of jeans. But then also,

775
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: the thing I love about this is is it really

776
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 4: plays into my ethos. I'm always like, put twenty four

777
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: hours between you and your spending because I don't want

778
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 4: you to make impulse purchases. But if you do this,

779
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: you're like not only not making impulse purchases, you're making

780
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 4: impact purchases. And we can like go, oh, you really

781
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: liked that thing in that shop, Great, take a photo

782
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 4: of it, go home and see if there's an indigenous option,

783
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 4: like see how you could drive more impact. And I'm

784
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 4: just like that's pretty sexy, isn't it.

785
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 6: Oh we talk about what we call it it like

786
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 6: having a black wardrobe and people say, I have, you know,

787
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 6: clothing the gaps tea, and I'm like, yeah, cool, But

788
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 6: what really impresses me?

789
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 4: Or what other where else are you shopping?

790
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: What other black brands are you wearing?

791
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 6: You know, there's enough space in indigenous fashion for everyone,

792
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 6: because the conversations we want to have with Australians is

793
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 6: to have a whole black wardrobe, ye, and not.

794
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 5: Just closed the gaps.

795
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: Right, many be disappointing if that's all you had.

796
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, yep, cool, what else? What else have

797
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 4: you got? Yeah?

798
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 6: And we're all wearing we obviously we wear a lot

799
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 6: of clothing the gaps because we're promoting our brands, but

800
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 6: we underneath this, im wearing gam and threads and says

801
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 6: us Off, I'm wearing Leander and you know there are

802
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 6: just so many have These favorite t shirts are from

803
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 6: Hausadah and.

804
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: Yes, pushing your luck there.

805
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 4: I love it.

806
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a really quick break.

807
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 4: And when I come back, I want to talk to

808
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: you guys about the financial realities of balancing profit and

809
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 4: purpose and how we can then spend further in line with.

810
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: Our values, which is where we're already going.

811
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 4: Us I was like, well, let's cut here, so go

812
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 4: to a break, so guys don't go anywhere. All right,

813
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 4: we are back and this very special episode with Laura

814
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 4: and Sarah from Clothing the Gap I don't know, it's

815
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 4: been so insightful. I feel like the energy between you

816
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 4: two is just so beautiful. I'm like, can you stay?

817
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 4: Do you want to do more podcasts?

818
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: Yesterday?

819
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 4: But you have not just built a business, You've feel

820
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 4: a whole movement, like just the idea that people are like, oh,

821
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: wear that I do this? Like, you know, we're talking

822
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 4: about how do we find in gingerous gens brands so

823
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 4: that we can actually drive our impact. When your work

824
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 4: has both a social mission but then also a bottom line,

825
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 4: which can be really hard, there's obviously bound to be

826
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 4: a lot of tension. How do you balance profit and

827
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: purpose and impact from week to week because some of

828
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 4: us doom out and we look at the bigger picture

829
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 4: and you go, oh, we need to make some tweaks,

830
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 4: But like from week to week, I'm assuming this is

831
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 4: an ongoing conversation. And then how do you make decisions

832
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 4: when you know your personal priorities are pulling you in

833
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: one way but your finance is looking a little bit different.

834
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a really good question.

835
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 6: I'd say we're always purpose driven, and it probably takes

836
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 6: this a little bit to catch up that sometimes maybe

837
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 6: you know, when we've had tough months that perhaps we're

838
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 6: struggling with profit because we've been focused on the purpose

839
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 6: and the success of closing the Gaps is the fact

840
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 6: that it is impact driven and the decisions we've made

841
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 6: has not been to shift away from our values or purpose.

842
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 6: It's just to go lean leaner, which is hard because

843
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 6: that means it's less hours of Indigenous employment.

844
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: But it hasn't changed the.

845
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 6: Goal of the mission because if we started to focus

846
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 6: on driving profit a we we wouldn't be motivated. Yeah,

847
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 6: we wouldn't be motivated to do the work, and we'd

848
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 6: lose up.

849
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 4: I think whole purpose of your passion is not money

850
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: and sales. Your passion is clearly impact. And we were

851
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 4: talking back in October about how you know, when you're

852
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 4: doing your mail outs, you had been putting your not

853
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 4: a date to celebrate Camp Pains into those mailouts, and

854
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 4: I was like, in October.

855
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: Guys, that's where you're doing it.

856
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, So like, can we talk about that, because that's

857
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: not about being financially led, but more about campaign led

858
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 4: and impact led. And I feel like that's really proactive.

859
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 4: And I feel like for a very long time these

860
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 4: topics weren't being discussed until January twenty six. We'll talk

861
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 4: about it on that day and not again. But like

862
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 4: you're showing your community months before. Hey, here's a fridge magnet.

863
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: Is you said, a handwritten letter?

864
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like queens what like?

865
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: You are going above and beyond telling me so excited

866
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 4: about this campaign.

867
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 6: I'm so excited about Black Friday because of this campaign opportunity.

868
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

869
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 6: Black Friday is in Australia is a thing for retail

870
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 6: and so is that.

871
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 4: Why you were like, I'm going to start talking about

872
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 4: January twenty six on Black Friday.

873
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 6: Because we're going to send out a lot of packages

874
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 6: because we have to go on sale and survive. We

875
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 6: do what we got to do, and we're not motivated

876
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 6: by having sales, yep. But I am motivated by the

877
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 6: number of people that will buy from us when we're

878
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 6: twenty five percent off sitewide. And the fact that I

879
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 6: get to slip in a campaign letter and a magnet

880
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 6: and really talk to people individually when they have to

881
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 6: physically open something up like that was just a super

882
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 6: game changer for me of why I'm excited about how

883
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 6: many sales we make, because that's how many letters we

884
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 6: get to put in that impact.

885
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would just say that, like, we're really

886
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 5: really creative about fixing that problem and that tension that's

887
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 5: that we talked about before. So this is a prime example. Right,

888
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 5: we get charged at our three pl for every single

889
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 5: individual insert that we put in. So when Laws and

890
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,959
Speaker 5: I were chatting about when we were thinking about Black

891
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 5: Friday planning and how do we educate in this moment

892
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 5: and how do we make the most of these parcels

893
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 5: that are going out and also just like, let's do

894
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 5: a magnet so that it goes on my bridge, and

895
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 5: we're going to do a letter, and we're going to do.

896
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: This, and we're going to do that. And you're like, yeah, yes, yes,

897
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: line item, line item that holding the envelope.

898
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

899
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: I was like, cool, don't worry about that. We're just

900
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: talking about impact.

901
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 5: What we're doing is we fix that problem. We put

902
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 5: them all in the one envelope.

903
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 4: Okay.

904
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that now it feels really cute as well

905
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 5: as it feels like victoria when you buy from us

906
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 5: on Black Friday, when you got that parcel sent to

907
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 5: your house and it's got this letter. It's this moment, right,

908
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 5: we're capturing people in this moment, but also it's way

909
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: more economically viable.

910
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 4: Oh totally.

911
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 5: So we just get really creative about how we how

912
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 5: we do the impact and then we essentially just like

913
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 5: justify it to ourselves and.

914
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 6: Fiancesay, I've left this really late to organize this.

915
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: It's going to cost us a lot, but it.

916
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 4: Will be worth it, I promise.

917
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: But it's it's it's it pain moment. You know, this

918
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: will be a campaign moment.

919
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 6: And we're creative and we're entertainers.

920
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: We love that that's your background, No wonder, your stuff

921
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 4: is just so engaging all the time.

922
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: Well, and we're ridiculous.

923
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 6: And one of my fears is being boring. Like if

924
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 6: we're going to no, no, no, you're really fun. If

925
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 6: we're not people's time and people are willing to listen

926
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 6: to us, then we really want to appreciate the moment

927
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 6: they're spending with us by being as engaging with them

928
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 6: as we can. This letter that went out on the

929
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 6: front of it, it said, you know, a letter about

930
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 6: a day that divides us on the front and then they.

931
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 4: Already want to open it.

932
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: What's this exactly?

933
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: What is it?

934
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: What is these today that divides us?

935
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 4: And then it's sort of because it was October. You're

936
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 4: not really thinking about January twenty six, are you.

937
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 6: But these campaigns, you know, these conversations around changing the

938
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 6: date and about jan twenty six not being a day

939
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 6: that we celebrate have been going on for years, yep.

940
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 6: And if we really want to make a change and

941
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 6: spark those conversations, we need to be active all year round.

942
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 6: And I think, you know, for the for the community

943
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 6: of people that shop with us, you know, I think

944
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 6: we've gotten to the point where they're not just wearing

945
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 6: clothing the gaps on Norrific and Aboriginal days, wearing all

946
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 6: year round. And that's the support we need to create

947
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 6: this social change. And you know, we need leaders and

948
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 6: people saying that petition around jan twenty six all year

949
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 6: round if we need, if we want to create this

950
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 6: momentum and shift.

951
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 4: And so tell me more about not a date to

952
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 4: celebrates campaign, because I mean today perfect day to start

953
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: talking more about it. I know there's a lot of

954
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 4: confusion about Okay, respect that, but what does.

955
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: That really mean?

956
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 4: Tell us how we can embrace this, tell us how

957
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 4: we can support you, how we can support our indigenous culture.

958
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: What does that look like?

959
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, so Jane twenty six is not a day to celebrate,

960
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 5: as we've talked about throughout the start of the pot

961
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 5: as well, Victorian. You know, for me as a non

962
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 5: Aboriginal person, I want to be able to celebrate the

963
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 5: incredible things about this country. But we cannot do that

964
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 5: our a on January twenty six because it marks the

965
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 5: very clearly marks the start of invasion in this country

966
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 5: and the incredible, overwhelming amount of pain and suffering that

967
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 5: has come from that right through till today. You only

968
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 5: have to look at the work of the Yarouk Commission

969
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 5: over the past years of gathering and listening to community

970
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 5: stories about the impacts that colonization has had in this

971
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 5: country to go January twenty six is not it. And

972
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 5: that's essentially where where we're very much at is that

973
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 5: January twenty six is not a date to celebrate.

974
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: It's pretty simple date of warning.

975
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 5: It is, and you know, it's been a date of

976
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 5: mourning for generations in the Aboriginal community. One of the

977
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 5: biggest things that people non Aboriginal people often come back

978
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 5: to us when we talk about this, it'll be like, oh, well,

979
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 5: we've been celebrating Australia on Jane twenty six for everyone

980
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 5: like we have nine ninety four.

981
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 4: That's it. Yeah, that is it.

982
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 5: This is not something that when you ask most people

983
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 5: about what it is that they're so attached to this

984
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 5: date is that there really isn't an enormous amount of

985
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 5: attachment to it. It's just this concept that to be

986
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 5: able to reflect on Jane twenty six, for me as

987
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 5: a non Aboriginal person with respect and with some empathy,

988
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 5: and to be able to update.

989
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: Our thinking with new information.

990
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 5: Sure, you may not have known about much about what

991
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 5: John twenty six really meant for First Nations communities.

992
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 4: No at all.

993
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: I feel like me and like it was me too, Victorian.

994
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 4: I think when high school we were doing these big

995
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 4: Australia day parties, and you know, I look back on

996
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 4: it and I'm horrified. Absolutely, But if you know better,

997
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 4: you can do better. And you guys are educating us

998
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 4: so that we can know better. Now we get to

999
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 4: do better. What a privilege?

1000
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and what an opportunity. And I guess the question

1001
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 5: really is is if you know now and we're not

1002
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 5: doing something about it, that's when.

1003
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 4: That's when it's disrespectful. That's when we go what are

1004
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 4: you even doing what kind of human being are you?

1005
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 5: So lots of people are doing lots of different things

1006
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 5: around John twenty six. We're seeing different brands and businesses

1007
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 5: and you know, like yourself Victoria sharing their support through

1008
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 5: their platforms for the not a Date to Celebrate campaign

1009
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 5: and conversations around the truth and the reality of John

1010
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 5: twenty six. We're seeing people choose to switch their public

1011
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 5: holiday to another day and go to bus to go

1012
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 5: to work and think about, you know, just not celebrating

1013
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 5: on John twenty six at all. So we're seeing a

1014
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 5: lot of public action around John twenty six, but what

1015
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 5: we have really seen a lack of is government leadership

1016
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 5: and action around thinking about what an alternative to John

1017
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 5: twenty six is and acknowledging that this is something that

1018
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 5: really has to shift. We can't continue like this. This

1019
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 5: just feels like we are at an absolute standstill of

1020
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 5: It feels like a majority of people don't celebrate on

1021
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 5: John twenty six. Triple j Hottus one hundred shifted away

1022
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 5: from John twenty six. What luck five years ago? Now

1023
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 5: this feels like it should be old.

1024
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: Actually shouldn't be a thing, like it's ridiculous.

1025
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: It does confuse me. I'm like, like, I get it,

1026
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: I get it. I was educated on why are we

1027
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 2: still talking about it? Were not all on the same page.

1028
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: And I think that that's one thing that I personally

1029
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: really struggle with is someone has come up and I

1030
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 4: don't care what it is.

1031
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: Let's pretend it's an office.

1032
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 4: Someone goes. I find it really disrespectful when you x

1033
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 4: y Z thanks for telling me. I'm so sorry. I

1034
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 4: didn't realize I was upsetting you. I'm just not going

1035
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 4: to do it anymore. Like, is that not how we're all?

1036
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 4: Like this should be quite simple, Like we've put our

1037
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: hand up, and yes it's been for literal years. You

1038
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 4: put your hands up and said, hey, do you reckon?

1039
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 4: Like we're not saying don't, but do you reckon? We

1040
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 4: could just do it a different day, the one that

1041
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 4: like even us like we could get involved in that

1042
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 4: day then because like you're right, it sounds like a

1043
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 4: bit of fun, but like not then like that just

1044
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 4: doesn't work. And people are so hamstrung on being like no,

1045
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 4: it's our right, get get in. This is horrific what

1046
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 4: has happened. And I feel like just too many people

1047
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 4: are trying to slide under the rug exactly what happened.

1048
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 4: We should be using this as an opportunity to talk

1049
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 4: more about that, to build bridges, to become more resilient,

1050
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 4: to be more respectful.

1051
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: Why aren't we doing that?

1052
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 6: You couldn't have You've explained it so well, Victor. This

1053
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 6: is we shouldn't still be talking about this. This is

1054
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 6: an issue that the government can change quite easily.

1055
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 2: We don't need a referendum.

1056
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 4: It's not that deep. It's not that deep, Like in

1057
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 4: the most respectful way, it is not that deep.

1058
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: Change the date by then?

1059
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 6: Why are we cluing the gap, spending so much time

1060
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 6: and so much resource. And one of the criticisms that

1061
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 6: we get from Mobby is there are more important issues

1062
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 6: that you should be talking about than this. And I

1063
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 6: absolutely one hundred percent agree that we are wasting our

1064
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 6: time talking about this. But the reality is.

1065
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: You could actually just take this off and then we

1066
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: can talk about the age.

1067
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 6: But when we talk about our focus, we want to

1068
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 6: tick this off. This is essentially a painful moment that

1069
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 6: we choose to celebrate the day, the worst possible day

1070
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 6: you could choose in the calendar, and the government can

1071
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 6: change that quite simply. And we just want to tick

1072
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 6: this off because we are sick of talking about it,

1073
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 6: We're sick of experiencing jan twenty six and the pain

1074
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 6: and trauma that it brings. When we feel like, you know,

1075
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 6: you've had that realization. Still, lots of Australians are choosing

1076
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 6: to celebrate on that on that day, it is a

1077
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 6: day that divides the nations. There's a day where there's

1078
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 6: a whole lot of racism and in the lead up

1079
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 6: to it's just a horrible weight it end January and

1080
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 6: there's so many people that have supported the campaign. We've

1081
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 6: had over you know, seventy thousand people sign that petition

1082
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 6: that we only started last year. Actually obsessed and we're

1083
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 6: keen to table this petition. We're keen to see more

1084
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 6: workplaces get involved and to use any strategy that we

1085
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 6: can think of just to you know, be able to

1086
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 6: find ways to celebrate the good things about this country

1087
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 6: just on another day.

1088
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And if you guys are listening to this and

1089
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 4: really resonating with the conversation that we have, I will

1090
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 4: make sure that that petition is in our show notes

1091
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 4: so that you can also sign it and share it

1092
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 4: and that would be a perfect way to help today,

1093
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 4: like if you're like I don't know what I should

1094
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 4: be posting, host the petition.

1095
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 2: Share it.

1096
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 4: It's a free way of advocating for a community who

1097
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 4: are currently not being heard in the way that they

1098
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 4: deserve to be.

1099
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and there are so many different things that people

1100
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 5: can do that doesn't actually cost a thing to what

1101
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 5: else can we do?

1102
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: Come on, but sorry, I'm cheese on the money. I

1103
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: love free stuff.

1104
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 5: We all love free stuff, right, and agency actually doesn't

1105
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 5: cost anything. Often it's actually about using your voice. We

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Speaker 5: talk often about everybody has a circle of influence that

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Speaker 5: they can engage with and have those conversations with. So

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Speaker 5: talk to your friends and family about what John twenty

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Speaker 5: six really does mean from a first nation's perspective, and

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Speaker 5: engage with the Yearrook resources today like go and listen

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Speaker 5: to some of those stories from community. You can sign

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Speaker 5: the petition absolutely and share it, Sign and send an

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Speaker 5: MP letter. We have to remember that our MPs sit

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Speaker 5: in their seats to represent their constituents, which is us,

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Speaker 5: and if we do not tell them what we think

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Speaker 5: and what we want them to do, sometimes they assume

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Speaker 5: and often they get that wrong. So make it very

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Speaker 5: clear how you feel about John twenty six today and

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Speaker 5: that it is not a date to celebrate I really

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Speaker 5: believe that there is an enormous amount of support out

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Speaker 5: there for this and that we will continue to get

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Speaker 5: traction on this conversation and that there has to be

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Speaker 5: an outcome and a resolution at a MP tunnel. We

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Speaker 5: can't keep having Groundhog Day about John twenty six and

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Speaker 5: we need everybody to have.

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Speaker 2: Those conversations in their spaces to get that done.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it just I find it remarkable. You know,

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Speaker 6: we've been making not a date to celebrate teas for

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Speaker 6: about five years now. I didn't think that we would

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Speaker 6: need to get to the point where we would have

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Speaker 6: to table a petition in Parliament. I did think perhaps,

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Speaker 6: and maybe it was not even mean that this would

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Speaker 6: be resolved by now. And the very fact that we're

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Speaker 6: a business who's leading this campaign, it's just a reminder

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Speaker 6: of the power of businesses to do good and actually

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Speaker 6: perhaps we're in the best position to be able to

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Speaker 6: make the social change.

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Speaker 4: One thousand percent. I know that we are very quickly

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Speaker 4: running out of time, so I don't want to take more.

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Speaker 4: But one thing that I also find our community I

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Speaker 4: won't say struggles with but has put their hand up

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Speaker 4: and said, I find this really challenging, and you said

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Speaker 4: before send a letter to your MP. Like, we all

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Speaker 4: sit down and go, what do we say? I don't

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Speaker 4: agree with this? So we will also drop a template

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Speaker 4: of a letter that you could send to your MP,

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Speaker 4: and you can like change it however you want. Put

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Speaker 4: your name in, put your local MP's name in. But

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Speaker 4: just what that might look like, because so many of

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Speaker 4: us want to have that impact but just don't maybe

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Speaker 4: have the words to articulate that as clearly and as

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Speaker 4: impactfully as possible. So we'll put that in the show

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Speaker 4: notes as well, and it'll be free to download on

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Speaker 4: our websites so you can use it however you want.

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Speaker 4: Is there any other ways? Before I let you go? Sorry,

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Speaker 4: I feel like I'm taking all of this time, but

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Speaker 4: I'm like, this is such a good episode. Are there

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Speaker 4: any other ways that today we can show our allyship

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Speaker 4: that doesn't cost anything?

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's sharing content doesn't cost anything to reshare content

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Speaker 6: from black creators on your story.

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Speaker 2: And then I would just think about you know.

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Speaker 5: Jan twenty six is a really good reminder to re

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Speaker 5: engage in conversations that perhaps you may have slipped out

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Speaker 5: of for a bit. But I really do think that

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Speaker 5: it's so important for people to think about what we

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Speaker 5: do outside of days like Jane twenty six or reconciliation

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Speaker 5: week or night or week of making sure that it

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Speaker 5: is Allyship beyond the trend or beyond the calendar date

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Speaker 5: that comes up.

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Speaker 2: It's how do you engage in those conversations all year round?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, we spoke about it a little bit earlier.

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Speaker 5: As a business, we actually can't survive on people buying

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Speaker 5: from us three days.

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Speaker 4: Ye oh no.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, not thinking about how you support First Nations people, communities,

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Speaker 5: brands in.

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Speaker 4: Business as well at work, like at She's on the Money.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we talk about this enough, but we

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Speaker 4: have created a panel of Indigenous people that we refer

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Speaker 4: to when creating Indigenous content to make sure one it's

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Speaker 4: hitting right. Two I am not the voice that's not

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Speaker 4: for me. I'm the door that's like I can open

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Speaker 4: the door. And how that plays out is going to

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Speaker 4: be very different based on who we're having on the show,

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Speaker 4: But we talk a lot with them about Allyship year round.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to just celebrate nay Doc where can

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Speaker 4: be like oh cool, like we're promoting creators, because that's

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Speaker 4: what every other company is doing. How do we have

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Speaker 4: a deep impact that opens many doors for many people

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Speaker 4: throughout the year. Because you're right, like three days a year, Sorry,

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Speaker 4: that's not impact, that's actually.

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Speaker 2: The bare minimum.

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Speaker 4: We expect you to recognize those days at a minimum.

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Speaker 4: So I think there's just so much that needs to

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Speaker 4: be done in this space. Yeah, I think alloyship all year. Like,

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Speaker 4: ask your employer, do we have to have January twenty

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Speaker 4: six off next year? Could we like swap that because

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Speaker 4: I'd much prefer to be at work and not celebrate that.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's just small steps in the right

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Speaker 4: directions where you can impact other people as well. Oh

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Speaker 4: my gosh, guys, this has been absolutely beautiful. Of course,

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Speaker 4: as I mentioned before, I will make sure that the

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Speaker 4: petitions and all our recommendations are in the show notes

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Speaker 4: and all over our social media today. I would really

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Speaker 4: really love if you could sign the not a date

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Speaker 4: to celebrate petition and then find out more and just

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Speaker 4: be more educated about this. And if this conversation has

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Speaker 4: made you think differently my friends, share it with your friends,

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