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Speaker 1: New figures provided in a report which has been published

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Speaker 1: by the Commonwealth Fisheries Research and Development Corporation earlier this month,

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Speaker 1: have revealed that the participation rate of women who undertake

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Speaker 1: recreational fishing in the Northern Territory has edged out the blokes.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: Now? Joining me in the studio right now is David Girovolo,

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Speaker 1: who is the CEO of a fand good morning to you, David.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning everyone.

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Speaker 1: I know that everybody in the territory loves their fishing,

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Speaker 1: but I was not expecting women to edge out the blokes.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think it comes as a bit

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Speaker 3: of a surprise to some people. But in my office

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Speaker 3: and with the women in our office and on our board,

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Speaker 3: they said it's not a surprise to them at all.

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Speaker 3: And I think when you look around the territory you

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Speaker 3: can see that fishing is for everyone. But absolutely remarkable

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Speaker 3: result to see that the participation rate among women is

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Speaker 3: not only the highest in the country, but it's edged

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Speaker 3: out the men in the Northern Territory, which is also

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Speaker 3: the highest in the country. So it's phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, so we are I mean I think we

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Speaker 1: kind of we always see ourselves as being the fishing

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Speaker 1: capital of Australia, right, but now this proves it.

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Speaker 3: It certainly does. It puts it beyond doubt. Around the

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Speaker 3: country you've got about an average of twenty one percent

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Speaker 3: of the population going fishing, but in the territory we've

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Speaker 3: got just shy of thirty three percent. And when it

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Speaker 3: comes to women, we've got thirty three percent, and then

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Speaker 3: the men just behind that at thirty two and a

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Speaker 3: half or thirty two point five. So it is remarkable

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Speaker 3: and it is a particular thing for the territory. In

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Speaker 3: place like Victoria, it's only sixteen percent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean they are remarkable numbers.

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Speaker 1: But you know, quite often as well you see people

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Speaker 1: traveling to the Northern Territory to fish and oh, I've

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Speaker 1: got uncle that come here just specifically for fishing holidays.

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Speaker 1: And it's it is something that I guess is underpinning

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Speaker 1: the economy as well, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, it's a huge driver for the anti economy.

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Speaker 3: The same survey also shows that it makes a two

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Speaker 3: hundred and seventy million dollar contribution to territory GDP on

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Speaker 3: an annual basis, and it also supports two and a

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Speaker 3: half thousand jobs, and eighteen hundred of those jobs are

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Speaker 3: directly recreational fishing jobs, so jobs that are in fishing,

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Speaker 3: retail services, fishing guides, and then of the other services

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Speaker 3: like accommodation, hospitality that fishers use. But the other thing

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Speaker 3: we know about the territory is the amount of fishing

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Speaker 3: effort that we have is equal around about from visitors

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Speaker 3: and locals alike. So people come to the territory just

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Speaker 3: to go fishing, and that means they're bringing money into

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Speaker 3: the territory. It's not just people keeping their money in

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Speaker 3: the territory by holidaying and going fishing here and spending

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Speaker 3: their money here. It's also people bring new money to

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Speaker 2: Like it's a whole industry.

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Speaker 3: It really is, and it really spans the gamut of

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Speaker 3: industries as well. So if you think about that, we've

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Speaker 3: got manufacturing, so we produce and make fishing gear and

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Speaker 3: lures here that we actually sell around the country and

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Speaker 3: people getting their boats serviced, people getting their covers made,

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Speaker 3: and all the kinds of equipment that they need. Then

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Speaker 3: we've of course got retail, but then you've also got

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Speaker 3: the professional services that that get provided, so the consultancies

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Speaker 3: to fisheries as well. So there's a whole range of

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Speaker 3: jobs across a whole range of the spectrum that support

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Speaker 3: and are supported by the fishing industry in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is pretty phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you look at those numbers, when

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Speaker 1: especially when you compare it to other states, it is

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Speaker 2: Of women etching out the men. Why do you reckon

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, I think there's a number of factors that

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Speaker 3: play here. I think first and foremost it's really we

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Speaker 3: always is a cliche, right, it's part of the territory

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Speaker 3: way of life, but that's a genuine thing. When people

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Speaker 3: And so I think patient women's fishing. Mind you, it

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Speaker 3: has grown a lot in the you know, ten years

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Speaker 3: when they started fishing twenty thirty years ago, maybe there

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Speaker 3: there's a lot more women fishing, fishing with their families,

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Speaker 3: fishing with their friends, trying fishing for the first time.

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Speaker 3: But also we've got this competition scene which is absolutely bonkers.

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask that do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: It is a situation where sometimes you know, people have

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon that helps some to get into it all.

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Speaker 3: Look, without a doubt, we've got the Secret Women's Business

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Speaker 3: Competition happening this weekend. You're going to have around two

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Speaker 3: a great event. But there's a whole range of those events.

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Speaker 3: So we've got events in other parts of the territory.

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Speaker 3: we've also got the Girl's Gone Fishing and some of

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Speaker 3: those other fishing events where people might start, for example,

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Speaker 3: like they fish a lot harder than me, but they

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Speaker 3: also show that, like this is something that anyone can

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Speaker 3: a fisher. And believe me, I have to get shown

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I guess with that, you know, just to

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Speaker 2: But with the increase in.

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Speaker 1: Women going out on their own fishing and that kind

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Speaker 3: Look, I think it's something that we absolutely need to

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Speaker 3: focus on in all kinds of ways. Obviously, we want

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Speaker 3: off the charts. It's one of the highest areas. Young

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Speaker 3: making sure that people of all abilities can get out

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Speaker 3: as our land based fishing opportunities, If families come to

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Speaker 3: see more land based fishing opportunities, particularly around Darwin. Like

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Speaker 3: I think we've got one jetty, you know we've got

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Speaker 3: that's going to have a marina built alongside it soon.

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Speaker 3: We've got the Nightcliff jetty. It's always so popular. But

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Speaker 3: where's the other places you can take your kids fishing

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Speaker 3: when we need the facilities to be right as well.

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Speaker 3: We've been rolling out through the r facing with the

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Speaker 3: that needs to continue. There is a development plan coming

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon we could be doing more as well

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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory to really I know we already

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Speaker 1: do market ourselves as you know, as like the fishing

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Speaker 1: but could we be doing more in that space.

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Speaker 3: I think some of the individual businesses do a really

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Speaker 3: And I'm not going to pretend to be, you know,

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Speaker 3: and again leveraging that into more benefits, more jobs, and

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Speaker 3: people who go fishing, it's not just about the economic value.

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Speaker 3: As huge as that is, those personal social values. People

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Speaker 3: They're happier, healthier, more active, and so they're also connected

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Speaker 3: So there's really great reasons to make sure that we

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Speaker 3: continue to support this. It's an absolutely wonderful trend. Let's

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Speaker 1: Hey, just somebody's message through and just asking with the

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Speaker 1: women more women fishing? Is it a percentage of women

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think in the territory, our demographics a

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Speaker 3: you'd probably have more men fishing than women. But one

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Speaker 3: thing that's really important here is that this is a

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Speaker 3: men fishing with women, women fishing with women, women fishing

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Speaker 3: with men. You know there is a mix there. But

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Speaker 3: it's fair to say that there's probably still more fishing

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Speaker 3: trips done by men. And you look around you'll definitely

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Speaker 3: see that. It's not saying about fishing trips, but individually

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Speaker 3: as a percentage of the percentage of women to go

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Speaker 3: fishing is now slightly higher than the percentage of men

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Speaker 3: who go fishing at least once a year. Yeah, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a really interesting real what.

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Speaker 1: We just love, Like people just absolutely love their fishing

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Speaker 2: But that's the best way to put it.

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Speaker 3: It's a great way to put it. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I just on that question we just had then as

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Speaker 3: well from your listener. I'd encourage people to jump on

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Speaker 3: our web page or our Facebook page. We've got to

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Speaker 3: write up on this. We've also got the links to

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Speaker 3: those surveys and people can see there's a whole lot

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Speaker 3: more information there that adds a lot more context to it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to apologize for focusing on the fact

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Speaker 3: that we have the highest female participation rate and its

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Speaker 3: edged out the men. That's a wonderful thing for us

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Speaker 3: to celebrate. There's a whole lot more to look at

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Speaker 1: Agree with you, like, I think that's you know it is,

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Speaker 1: it's a wonderful thing, and what it actually demonstrates is

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Speaker 1: that the population all Territorians are getting out there and

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Speaker 1: getting amongst it. But then when you look at what

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Speaker 1: it brings to the economy and the potential I think

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Speaker 1: in terms of tourism and bolstering the economy is really

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Speaker 1: quite phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: Look absolutely, and we know that there's so much conversation

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Speaker 3: that's going around development some of the challenges facing the territory.

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Speaker 3: And the reason that this is working here in the

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Speaker 3: territory nowhere else is because of the abundance of fish

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Speaker 3: that we have. Things like the Barramundi are iconic. It

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Speaker 3: brings people to the territory. We've got to keep it

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Speaker 3: that way and we can continue sustainably capture the benefits

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Speaker 3: of that. And what better way to do it than

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Speaker 3: through recreational fishing, something that everybody can do and something

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Speaker 3: that more and more people are doing well.

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Speaker 1: David Tirovolo, it's always great to catch up with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us in the studio

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Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Can