WEBVTT - What are the new rules for vapes?

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It is

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<v Speaker 2>somehow Friday, the first of December.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we jump into what today's podcast is about, a

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<v Speaker 2>their Spotify wrapped It's our favorite time of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>all those minutes that you have spent listening to us.

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<v Speaker 2>But onto today's podcast. Earlier in the year, Health Minister

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Butler announced sweeping measures to crack down on the

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<v Speaker 2>use of apes here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>As the federal government declares war on e cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 2>In a world first that could see most e cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 2>Band Mark Butler says, a cigarettes are creating a new

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<v Speaker 2>generation of nicotine addicts and it must end that was

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<v Speaker 2>back in May. But the reason that we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>it again. Today is because the government has released its

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<v Speaker 2>timeline for rolling out these anti vaping measures and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to unpack everything you need to know about how

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<v Speaker 2>vaping in Australia is changing in today's deep dive. But

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<v Speaker 2>first Sam what's making headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>Israel and Hummas have agreed to extend a pause in

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<v Speaker 3>fighting by another day. Qatar's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which

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<v Speaker 3>has helped mediate the deal, said in a statement Palestinian

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<v Speaker 3>and Israeli sides reached an agreement to extend the humanitarian

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<v Speaker 3>truce in the Gaza Strip for an additional day under

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<v Speaker 3>the existing conditions. So far, under the deal, ninety seven

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<v Speaker 3>hostages held by Hummas have been released and two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and ten Palestinian prisoners held in Israel have been released.

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<v Speaker 2>Parents and alumni of a private boys' school in Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>have launched a petition in protest of the school's decision

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<v Speaker 2>to go co ed. Newington College announced it would begin

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<v Speaker 2>accepting enrollments from girls to begin its journey to being

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<v Speaker 2>completely co ed by twenty thirty three. However, some school

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<v Speaker 2>community members say they're pushing against the change because they

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<v Speaker 2>want to preserve the school's one hundred and sixty year

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<v Speaker 2>old legacy.

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<v Speaker 3>A parliamentary inquiry into employment services has made seventy five

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<v Speaker 3>recommendations for the government to improve the sector and make

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<v Speaker 3>it easier for unemployed Australians to find work. The Workforce

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<v Speaker 3>Australia Employment Services Committee hands down its report on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 3>which found national unemployment services are not fit for purpose

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<v Speaker 3>after considering three hundred submissions. It recommended measures to simplify

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<v Speaker 3>the process for job seekers, such as government services like Centrelink,

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<v Speaker 3>collaborating with job listing platforms like Seek and LinkedIn.

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<v Speaker 2>And the good news two kiwis have been born in

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<v Speaker 2>the wild near New Zealand's capital city, Wellington, for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time in over a century. The two baby Kiwis

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<v Speaker 2>were found by the Capital Kiwi Project, who said in

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<v Speaker 2>their posts that there will likely be other chicks out

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<v Speaker 2>there on our hills from here onwards.

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<v Speaker 3>So this year the federal government announced a major crackdown

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<v Speaker 3>on vapes, and in particular they really focused in on

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<v Speaker 3>vaping amongst young people now. In a speech at the

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<v Speaker 3>National Press Club back in May, Health Minister Mark Butler

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<v Speaker 3>flags that there were several restrictions in the pipeline that

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<v Speaker 3>would target the so called black market in illegal vaping.

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<v Speaker 4>No more bubblegum flavors, no more pink unicorns, no more

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<v Speaker 4>vapes deliberately disguised as highlighter pins for kids to be

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<v Speaker 4>able to hide them in their pencil cases.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that was the architecture of the house

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<v Speaker 2>of vaping measures. You know, we understood what was going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen, what it would look like, but we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really get to fill the house with anything. We didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know when it was going to happen, how it was

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<v Speaker 2>actually going to play out in practice.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew it was a focus area, we didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>the specific.

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<v Speaker 2>So the details came this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, And basically what you need to know is

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<v Speaker 3>the federal government announced a vaping crackdown that's going to

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<v Speaker 3>start on the first of January twenty twenty four, so

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<v Speaker 3>in a couple of weeks, and there's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>this initial ban on the import of disposable vapes. Once

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<v Speaker 3>that's up and running, there's going to be further restrictions

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<v Speaker 3>that are going to roll out in the months after that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the things that comes up every

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<v Speaker 2>time we talk about vaping is a lack of clarity

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<v Speaker 2>around what is actually already illegal, what is legal, and

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<v Speaker 2>what is changing. Focus on the first part, what is

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<v Speaker 2>the state of play currently when it comes to vapes.

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<v Speaker 3>So right now it's illegal to purchase a nicotine vape

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<v Speaker 3>in Australia unless you have a medical prescription and you

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<v Speaker 3>can't sell them to somebody who doesn't have a prescription.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but that hasn't stopped a whole cohort of people

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<v Speaker 2>from vaping. What do we understand around its popularity?

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<v Speaker 3>So the latest start that we've got, which is from

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<v Speaker 3>the first quarter of this year, shows that around one

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<v Speaker 3>in seven fourteen to seventeen year olds and one in

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<v Speaker 3>five eighteen to twenty four year olds are currently vaping.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we both know though that those numbers are

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<v Speaker 2>severely perhaps underrepresenting what it looks like in reality. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we've asked our audience a number of times it's a

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<v Speaker 2>key area of focus and i'd say the reality is

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<v Speaker 2>that it's frequently yeah okay. So in light of that,

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<v Speaker 2>what are these changes now moving forward?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the government is really trying to work out how

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<v Speaker 3>to regulate better and then enforce those regulations around their

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<v Speaker 3>sale of e cigarettes, including new controls on how they're

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<v Speaker 3>getting into the country, so the importation, what they're made of,

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<v Speaker 3>the contents, and how they're packaged and so all of

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<v Speaker 3>these measures are going to start with the importation of

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<v Speaker 3>single use or disposable vapes, so you know them at

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<v Speaker 3>some convenience stores they come in individual packaging, and this

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<v Speaker 3>measure is aimed at cutting off the supply of these

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<v Speaker 3>vapes at the source by banning them from entering Australia

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<v Speaker 3>all together from the start of next year. Then we've

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<v Speaker 3>got new regulations for the imp qotation of reusable vapes,

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<v Speaker 3>so vapes that can be rear filled or that have

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<v Speaker 3>cartridges that you can interchange, they're not going to be

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to be imported into Australia from March of twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four. But this man is not going to impact

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<v Speaker 3>people with medical prescriptions for vapes, and doctors often issue

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<v Speaker 3>them to help patients quit smoking cigarettes. Now, under the

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<v Speaker 3>changes to those reusable vape rules from March, importers will

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<v Speaker 3>need to get approval from an authority, and that authority

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be the Australian Drug Control Office before

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<v Speaker 3>they can bring vape products into the country. They're also

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<v Speaker 3>going to need, And this is really interesting. They're going

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<v Speaker 3>to need to prove that their products comply with health standards,

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<v Speaker 3>and at a basic level, that means they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>need to show that what they say is in the

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<v Speaker 3>vape is actually in the vape. But the government said

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<v Speaker 3>this week that it would allow a transition period for

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<v Speaker 3>businesses to give them time to comply with these new requirements.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so hypothetically, yeah, if I was somebody that was

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<v Speaker 2>to be legally obtaining a vape from next year, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>how would one go about that?

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<v Speaker 3>So you're going to need to go to your GP,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're presumably going to have a discussion with your

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<v Speaker 3>GP around your nicotine addiction and how to manage that.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll then give you a prescription that you can then

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<v Speaker 3>feel out a pharmacy. Now, according to those comments from

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Butler earlier this year, only one in twenty doctors

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<v Speaker 3>are currently authorized to prescribe vapes, but the government wants

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<v Speaker 3>to remove those restrictions so that every doctor can prescribe

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<v Speaker 3>them to people who need it.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the problems with regulation has always been the

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<v Speaker 2>lack of teeth or the lack of enforcement. Sure, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we've already seen this. There's already been a

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<v Speaker 2>crackdown of sorts on vapes and yet they're everywhere. How

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<v Speaker 2>is the government intending to actually enforce these rules in

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<v Speaker 2>a different way to perhaps what they've already been doing

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<v Speaker 2>that arguably isn't working.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Health Minister has acknowledged that banning vape imports

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<v Speaker 3>would be complex and it's going to require monitoring the

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<v Speaker 3>Australian border. And he did concede that there would be

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<v Speaker 3>some vapes that get into the country, but he said,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is his quote, they will no longer be

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<v Speaker 3>easy for school children, our most vulnerable and impressionable members

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<v Speaker 3>of society to get their hands on them. Now, as

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<v Speaker 3>to who's responsible for enforcing this band, it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be up to the Australian Border Force and they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be tasked with detecting and destroying band vapes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've reported about the seizure of vapes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>ten times in the last couple of months.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so they're definitely on the case now, and I

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<v Speaker 3>guess they're treating it the same way they would treat

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<v Speaker 3>the importation of other illicit products and substances from getting

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<v Speaker 3>into Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>There seems to be a big focus on the importation,

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<v Speaker 2>so on this idea of bringing them into the country.

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<v Speaker 2>What's clear is that there are already a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>vapes in Australia, both being sold and being used. What's

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<v Speaker 2>the government's plan to actually tackle the vapes already here?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's actually a really helpful way to frame it.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've talked about the importing stuff. Now let's talk

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<v Speaker 3>about what's actually happening domestic with sales. So there's new

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<v Speaker 3>measures from the government proposed designed to stop the manufacture

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<v Speaker 3>and advertising of vapes in Australia as well as the

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<v Speaker 3>commercial possession of these disposable non medical vapes. And who

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<v Speaker 3>they're targeting with these new regulations would be the retailers,

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<v Speaker 3>so the retailers who sell the products. We don't actually

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<v Speaker 3>know too much information around how the government is actually

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<v Speaker 3>planning on doing this, whether there's kind of a squad

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<v Speaker 3>that goes round to convenience stores and tries to work

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<v Speaker 3>out who's selling what. So we're waiting for the legislation

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<v Speaker 3>on the domestic vape restrictions and that's expected next year.

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<v Speaker 3>What we do know about the government's plans for next

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<v Speaker 3>year is that the government's going to make some more

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<v Speaker 3>announcements about how it's cracking down on the flavors, colors

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<v Speaker 3>and nicotine levels of vapes.

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<v Speaker 2>But it does strike me that the marketing of these

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<v Speaker 2>products are a huge part of the issue.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's roll research and like who they're targeting. Bright colors, bubblegum,

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<v Speaker 3>all those kind of flavors make it a very attractive

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<v Speaker 3>product to young people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the questions that to mind is

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<v Speaker 2>whether making it more difficult to access vapes could push

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<v Speaker 2>a whole cohort who would have never been cigarette smokers

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<v Speaker 2>but are now addicted to nicotine into being cigarette smokers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a really interesting kind of subdiscussion here, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think the way that the Minister has approached it

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<v Speaker 3>is expanding those powers given to gps and making it

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<v Speaker 3>more accessible for people to talk to a GP about

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<v Speaker 3>a nicotine addiction. And I have that as an effort

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<v Speaker 3>to continue to steer people away from cigarettes whilst managing

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<v Speaker 3>their vape u sea.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the government absolutely has its work cut out

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<v Speaker 2>for them, Definitely, anything, I think we're coming a bit

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<v Speaker 2>late to this discussion, and when there is already something

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<v Speaker 2>that has kind of penetrated an entire market. I eat

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<v Speaker 2>young people think it'll be really hard, so it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to see how they go with that. What has

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<v Speaker 2>the general kind of industry response being to the announcements

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<v Speaker 2>this week?

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<v Speaker 3>So we heard from the Public Health Association, they're the

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<v Speaker 3>country's peak body for public health, and they welcome to

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<v Speaker 3>the announcement of the regulations coming next year. The body

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<v Speaker 3>said nicotine addiction, respiratory illness, acute toxicity, and mental ill

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<v Speaker 3>health are just the beginning of the harms it's seeing

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<v Speaker 3>vaping cause. The body called proposed actions good news for

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<v Speaker 3>parents and cares of young people who vape. We also

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<v Speaker 3>know that Opposition leader Peter Dutton has been on the

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<v Speaker 3>record to say the Opposition would support reforms to restrict vaping.

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<v Speaker 3>He made those comments earlier this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we wrap up today's episode, we do have a

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<v Speaker 2>favor to ask you. We are working on a top

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<v Speaker 2>secret project for next year, and in order to make

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<v Speaker 2>that as incredible as we can, we are on the

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<v Speaker 2>lookout for people with stories to tell about vaping. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you've had a bad experience with vapes health wise,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk to us about it. We'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from you. Alternatively, if you've had a good

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<v Speaker 2>vape experience, we also want to hear from you. You

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<v Speaker 2>can DM us on Instagram. It doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 2>a voice note this time, we just want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>your story. Sorry, that's all from us today. Have a

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<v Speaker 2>brilliant weekend, and we'll be back again on Monday.