1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Bungelung Calcottin woman from Gadigl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 1: Straight Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It is 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: somehow Friday, the first of December. 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: Before we jump into what today's podcast is about, a 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: very big thank you to everyone who tagged us in 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: their Spotify wrapped It's our favorite time of the year, 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 2: all those minutes that you have spent listening to us. 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: But onto today's podcast. Earlier in the year, Health Minister 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: Mark Butler announced sweeping measures to crack down on the 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: use of apes here in Australia. 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: As the federal government declares war on e cigarettes. 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: In a world first that could see most e cigarettes. 19 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: Band Mark Butler says, a cigarettes are creating a new 20 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: generation of nicotine addicts and it must end that was 21 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: back in May. But the reason that we're talking about 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: it again. Today is because the government has released its 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: timeline for rolling out these anti vaping measures and we're 24 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: going to unpack everything you need to know about how 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: vaping in Australia is changing in today's deep dive. But 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: first Sam what's making headlines. 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: Israel and Hummas have agreed to extend a pause in 28 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: fighting by another day. Qatar's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which 29 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: has helped mediate the deal, said in a statement Palestinian 30 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: and Israeli sides reached an agreement to extend the humanitarian 31 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: truce in the Gaza Strip for an additional day under 32 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: the existing conditions. So far, under the deal, ninety seven 33 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: hostages held by Hummas have been released and two hundred 34 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: and ten Palestinian prisoners held in Israel have been released. 35 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: Parents and alumni of a private boys' school in Sydney 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: have launched a petition in protest of the school's decision 37 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: to go co ed. Newington College announced it would begin 38 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: accepting enrollments from girls to begin its journey to being 39 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: completely co ed by twenty thirty three. However, some school 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: community members say they're pushing against the change because they 41 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: want to preserve the school's one hundred and sixty year 42 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: old legacy. 43 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 3: A parliamentary inquiry into employment services has made seventy five 44 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 3: recommendations for the government to improve the sector and make 45 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 3: it easier for unemployed Australians to find work. The Workforce 46 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 3: Australia Employment Services Committee hands down its report on Thursday, 47 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: which found national unemployment services are not fit for purpose 48 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: after considering three hundred submissions. It recommended measures to simplify 49 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: the process for job seekers, such as government services like Centrelink, 50 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: collaborating with job listing platforms like Seek and LinkedIn. 51 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: And the good news two kiwis have been born in 52 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: the wild near New Zealand's capital city, Wellington, for the 53 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: first time in over a century. The two baby Kiwis 54 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 2: were found by the Capital Kiwi Project, who said in 55 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: their posts that there will likely be other chicks out 56 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: there on our hills from here onwards. 57 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: So this year the federal government announced a major crackdown 58 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: on vapes, and in particular they really focused in on 59 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 3: vaping amongst young people now. In a speech at the 60 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 3: National Press Club back in May, Health Minister Mark Butler 61 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: flags that there were several restrictions in the pipeline that 62 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 3: would target the so called black market in illegal vaping. 63 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 4: No more bubblegum flavors, no more pink unicorns, no more 64 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: vapes deliberately disguised as highlighter pins for kids to be 65 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 4: able to hide them in their pencil cases. 66 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: I feel like that was the architecture of the house 67 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: of vaping measures. You know, we understood what was going 68 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: to happen, what it would look like, but we didn't 69 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: really get to fill the house with anything. We didn't 70 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: know when it was going to happen, how it was 71 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: actually going to play out in practice. 72 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: We knew it was a focus area, we didn't know 73 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: the specific. 74 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: So the details came this week. 75 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And basically what you need to know is 76 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: the federal government announced a vaping crackdown that's going to 77 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: start on the first of January twenty twenty four, so 78 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks, and there's going to be 79 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: this initial ban on the import of disposable vapes. Once 80 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: that's up and running, there's going to be further restrictions 81 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: that are going to roll out in the months after that. 82 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that comes up every 83 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: time we talk about vaping is a lack of clarity 84 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: around what is actually already illegal, what is legal, and 85 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: what is changing. Focus on the first part, what is 86 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: the state of play currently when it comes to vapes. 87 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,559 Speaker 3: So right now it's illegal to purchase a nicotine vape 88 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: in Australia unless you have a medical prescription and you 89 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 3: can't sell them to somebody who doesn't have a prescription. 90 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: Okay, but that hasn't stopped a whole cohort of people 91 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: from vaping. What do we understand around its popularity? 92 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: So the latest start that we've got, which is from 93 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: the first quarter of this year, shows that around one 94 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: in seven fourteen to seventeen year olds and one in 95 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: five eighteen to twenty four year olds are currently vaping. 96 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: I think we both know though that those numbers are 97 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: severely perhaps underrepresenting what it looks like in reality. I mean, 98 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: we've asked our audience a number of times it's a 99 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: key area of focus and i'd say the reality is 100 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: that it's frequently yeah okay. So in light of that, 101 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: what are these changes now moving forward? 102 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: Well, the government is really trying to work out how 103 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 3: to regulate better and then enforce those regulations around their 104 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: sale of e cigarettes, including new controls on how they're 105 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 3: getting into the country, so the importation, what they're made of, 106 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: the contents, and how they're packaged and so all of 107 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: these measures are going to start with the importation of 108 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 3: single use or disposable vapes, so you know them at 109 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: some convenience stores they come in individual packaging, and this 110 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: measure is aimed at cutting off the supply of these 111 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 3: vapes at the source by banning them from entering Australia 112 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: all together from the start of next year. Then we've 113 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 3: got new regulations for the imp qotation of reusable vapes, 114 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 3: so vapes that can be rear filled or that have 115 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: cartridges that you can interchange, they're not going to be 116 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 3: allowed to be imported into Australia from March of twenty 117 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: twenty four. But this man is not going to impact 118 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: people with medical prescriptions for vapes, and doctors often issue 119 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: them to help patients quit smoking cigarettes. Now, under the 120 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 3: changes to those reusable vape rules from March, importers will 121 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: need to get approval from an authority, and that authority 122 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 3: is going to be the Australian Drug Control Office before 123 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 3: they can bring vape products into the country. They're also 124 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: going to need, And this is really interesting. They're going 125 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: to need to prove that their products comply with health standards, 126 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 3: and at a basic level, that means they're going to 127 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: need to show that what they say is in the 128 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: vape is actually in the vape. But the government said 129 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: this week that it would allow a transition period for 130 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: businesses to give them time to comply with these new requirements. 131 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: Okay, so hypothetically, yeah, if I was somebody that was 132 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: to be legally obtaining a vape from next year, yeah, 133 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 2: how would one go about that? 134 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 3: So you're going to need to go to your GP, 135 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: and you're presumably going to have a discussion with your 136 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: GP around your nicotine addiction and how to manage that. 137 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: They'll then give you a prescription that you can then 138 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: feel out a pharmacy. Now, according to those comments from 139 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 3: Mark Butler earlier this year, only one in twenty doctors 140 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: are currently authorized to prescribe vapes, but the government wants 141 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: to remove those restrictions so that every doctor can prescribe 142 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: them to people who need it. 143 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: One of the problems with regulation has always been the 144 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: lack of teeth or the lack of enforcement. Sure, and 145 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: I mean we've already seen this. There's already been a 146 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: crackdown of sorts on vapes and yet they're everywhere. How 147 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: is the government intending to actually enforce these rules in 148 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: a different way to perhaps what they've already been doing 149 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: that arguably isn't working. 150 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: So the Health Minister has acknowledged that banning vape imports 151 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: would be complex and it's going to require monitoring the 152 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: Australian border. And he did concede that there would be 153 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: some vapes that get into the country, but he said, 154 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 3: and this is his quote, they will no longer be 155 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: easy for school children, our most vulnerable and impressionable members 156 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: of society to get their hands on them. Now, as 157 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: to who's responsible for enforcing this band, it's going to 158 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: be up to the Australian Border Force and they're going 159 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: to be tasked with detecting and destroying band vapes. 160 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: I think we've reported about the seizure of vapes, yeah, 161 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: ten times in the last couple of months. 162 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're definitely on the case now, and I 163 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 3: guess they're treating it the same way they would treat 164 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: the importation of other illicit products and substances from getting 165 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: into Australia. 166 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: There seems to be a big focus on the importation, 167 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 2: so on this idea of bringing them into the country. 168 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: What's clear is that there are already a lot of 169 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: vapes in Australia, both being sold and being used. What's 170 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: the government's plan to actually tackle the vapes already here? 171 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: I think that's actually a really helpful way to frame it. 172 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: So we've talked about the importing stuff. Now let's talk 173 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: about what's actually happening domestic with sales. So there's new 174 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: measures from the government proposed designed to stop the manufacture 175 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 3: and advertising of vapes in Australia as well as the 176 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 3: commercial possession of these disposable non medical vapes. And who 177 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: they're targeting with these new regulations would be the retailers, 178 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 3: so the retailers who sell the products. We don't actually 179 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 3: know too much information around how the government is actually 180 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: planning on doing this, whether there's kind of a squad 181 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 3: that goes round to convenience stores and tries to work 182 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 3: out who's selling what. So we're waiting for the legislation 183 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: on the domestic vape restrictions and that's expected next year. 184 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: What we do know about the government's plans for next 185 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: year is that the government's going to make some more 186 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: announcements about how it's cracking down on the flavors, colors 187 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: and nicotine levels of vapes. 188 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: But it does strike me that the marketing of these 189 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: products are a huge part of the issue. 190 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: Well, it's roll research and like who they're targeting. Bright colors, bubblegum, 191 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 3: all those kind of flavors make it a very attractive 192 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 3: product to young people. 193 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: I think one of the questions that to mind is 194 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: whether making it more difficult to access vapes could push 195 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: a whole cohort who would have never been cigarette smokers 196 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 2: but are now addicted to nicotine into being cigarette smokers. 197 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really interesting kind of subdiscussion here, and 198 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: I think the way that the Minister has approached it 199 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: is expanding those powers given to gps and making it 200 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: more accessible for people to talk to a GP about 201 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: a nicotine addiction. And I have that as an effort 202 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: to continue to steer people away from cigarettes whilst managing 203 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: their vape u sea. 204 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: I think the government absolutely has its work cut out 205 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 2: for them, Definitely, anything, I think we're coming a bit 206 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: late to this discussion, and when there is already something 207 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: that has kind of penetrated an entire market. I eat 208 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: young people think it'll be really hard, so it'll be 209 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: interesting to see how they go with that. What has 210 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: the general kind of industry response being to the announcements 211 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: this week? 212 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: So we heard from the Public Health Association, they're the 213 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 3: country's peak body for public health, and they welcome to 214 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 3: the announcement of the regulations coming next year. The body 215 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: said nicotine addiction, respiratory illness, acute toxicity, and mental ill 216 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 3: health are just the beginning of the harms it's seeing 217 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: vaping cause. The body called proposed actions good news for 218 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: parents and cares of young people who vape. We also 219 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: know that Opposition leader Peter Dutton has been on the 220 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 3: record to say the Opposition would support reforms to restrict vaping. 221 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: He made those comments earlier this year. 222 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: Before we wrap up today's episode, we do have a 223 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: favor to ask you. We are working on a top 224 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: secret project for next year, and in order to make 225 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: that as incredible as we can, we are on the 226 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 2: lookout for people with stories to tell about vaping. So 227 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: if you've had a bad experience with vapes health wise, 228 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 2: I want to talk to us about it. We'd love 229 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: to hear from you. Alternatively, if you've had a good 230 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: vape experience, we also want to hear from you. You 231 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: can DM us on Instagram. It doesn't have to be 232 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: a voice note this time, we just want to hear 233 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: your story. Sorry, that's all from us today. Have a 234 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,239 Speaker 2: brilliant weekend, and we'll be back again on Monday.